On August 17 2012 01:12 Orek wrote:
Has Zerg community collectively come up with the best answer for this 2 base immortal/sentry? This build has been around for about half a year now, but still the answer seems up in the air with only vague ideas.

I think roach drops, when executed correctly, are the ultimate answer. The massive investment to sentries will be absolutely useless, and sentries are the backbone of that army.

too bad roach drop, muta, infestor techs wont be out for these timings

I think there was some GSL game where DRG absolutely crushed this all-in on entombed valley with roach drops, sadly I can't recall what the game was. It will put a dent in your eco yes, but it is not impossible to have it at around 10 mins.

such investment might be worth it against this particular build

but the problem is toss has more allins, and some would crush face against a zerg that techs lair+drop that quickly

for example a mass gateway timing attack would be very hard to stop, or blink stalker allins

to get lair that quickly you need to sacrifice a lot of other things, and you need to make these sacrifices before you know what protoss is doing

i guess the only way is to try to delay his push and bait forcefields on the middle of the map and then setup a flank like violet tried?

yep theres a ton of different maneovers you need to do and have them work out and then its definetly possible to stop this immortal allin.
if it wasnt possible to stop with the standard zerg timings everyone would do this build pretty much every game

violet were on the right track but its not just about massing units and macroing correctly and you stop it. you need to actually do so many things right and in the end youll kill the toss army without losing your drones or the 3rd hatch. it is just extremely hard to say the least

Do you feel as a pro it's a fair tradeoff difficulty wise to deflect this, it sounds like one of the most challenging builds to hold off as a Zerg player

all good and well executed protoss builds are very difficult to play against.
the difficulty comes mostly from figuring out whats going on and getting the right tools at the right timings to have a chance to stop it.
if you make drones or units at wrong timings its almost near impossible to stop allins or not fall behind vastly in case they play for 3rd base

Tachion

Canada8573 Posts

August 16 2012 16:35 GMT

#2784

Feast is showing every protoss why you're supposed to get storm against muta/ling.

FrostedMiniWheats

United States30730 Posts

August 16 2012 16:35 GMT

#2785

Telling you, he loves his base trades xD

Fyzar

Netherlands8010 Posts

August 16 2012 16:35 GMT

#2786

This is so not exciting to watch ;l. I really want to see more protosses just defend these mutas with storm, I don't get why it has fallen out of fashion lately..

Jacobs Ladder

United States1705 Posts

August 16 2012 16:35 GMT

#2787

On August 17 2012 01:33 Whatson wrote:
Holy shit pure muta..

God I hate Mutas! I just don't enjoy watching or playing this sort of game. Even though its feasts fault for not having storm.

Saat

France65 Posts

August 16 2012 16:36 GMT

#2788

Feast...Why no ht ?

oogieogie

United States3657 Posts

August 16 2012 16:36 GMT

#2789

lol wat nestea...just snipe the buildings you have like a huge amount of mutas.

RonNation

United States385 Posts

August 16 2012 16:37 GMT

#2790

casting is awful feast has a great chance to win..

Godwrath

Spain10131 Posts

August 16 2012 16:37 GMT

#2791

I am scared for that probe.

TheDwf

France19747 Posts

August 16 2012 16:37 GMT

#2792

On August 17 2012 01:37 RonNation wrote:
casting is awful feast has a great chance to win..

Really? 28 Stalkers against 42 Mutas?

Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo

Germany2959 Posts

August 16 2012 16:37 GMT

#2793

On August 17 2012 01:37 RonNation wrote:
casting is awful feast has a great chance to win..

Well, that's kinda Tasteless for you, and Artosis just won't disagree as he doesn't want to ridicule him in front of camera and a huge crowd.

oogieogie

United States3657 Posts

August 16 2012 16:38 GMT

#2794

i don't see nestea losing this..

why send stalkers instead of the colossi? meat soaks? i don't think that 22 stalkers can take out 30+ mutas without storm

below66

United States1761 Posts

August 16 2012 16:38 GMT

#2795

attack with the col

WombaT

Northern Ireland25875 Posts

August 16 2012 16:38 GMT

#2796

On August 17 2012 01:37 TheDwf wrote:

Show nested quote +

Really? 28 Stalkers against 42 Mutas?