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GG JYP! Now get your revenge on ForGG!
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On August 16 2012 02:21 Bam Lee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:17 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 16 2012 02:15 Jacobs Ladder wrote:On August 16 2012 02:03 sc2holar wrote:On August 16 2012 01:59 shabby wrote:On August 16 2012 01:58 sc2holar wrote:On August 16 2012 01:56 syllogism wrote:On August 16 2012 01:54 sc2holar wrote:On August 16 2012 01:53 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:raped  Please dont use that word, its highly offensive and innapropriate. Is it more or less offensive than, say, "killer absolutely murdered him"? Just curious More. Because you can basicly "kill/murder/frag someone" in a game. Rape is something completley different and it should never be used in a gaming context because its offensive. You do know there are games where you rape, right? It is not different, just your opinion of it is, and we should not alter our langauge because you cannot control your emotions. This is starcraft 2 and as far as i know, you cant rape people in it. Remember when "when cheese failed" used the R word in the first NASL season and the president of NASL had to publicly apologize or something like that? its an offensive and distasteful word. If you kill someone in game, then you can obviously point out that you did it. but you cant make the same argument for rape. Its about manners and common sense, not emotions. Jesus, this has nothing to do with manners even. Its about being a decent human being. Rape isn't something to joke about, its horrific and it scars people for life. Its one of the worst things that can happen to someone. I have a close friend who was raped, she only recently started dealing with it. It has a daily negative effect on her. I won't say much more because, honestly, it makes me incredibly angry. Don't use that word, not because you should be PC, not because people tell you not to, but rather because it can invoke the worst thing that has ever happened to a person. . My father died recently, so the word death is naturally potentially upsetting for me, or phrases like 'wow you nearly gave me a heart attack', should people stop saying things on the off-chance that it can upset or offend? was just about to write something similar. Seriously your reasoning behind not using the word is kinda stupid. If you cant tolerate a simple word in a forum then better stop reading in any forum. Nobody is joking about rape btw This communities shitty attitude towards minorities is actually (part of) why I've pretty much stepped out of it. I straight up refused to host Destiny when he came to Texas. I went from organizing tournaments to almost 0 involvment. I'm nursing a hangover and thought I'd watch IEM, alas, that seems to be a mistake.
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lol @ the 'bowing' thing. also, day9 just said "it's me and day9" rofl
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On August 16 2012 02:24 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:23 TumNarDok wrote:On August 16 2012 02:22 Zambrah wrote:
Grubby + Day[9] would make me a happy camper for the last match of the day. :> Gonny be Day[9] and PIG I know but I want Grubby. :<
We all want Grubby but Cassandra beat us to it.
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On August 16 2012 02:24 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:23 Le BucheRON wrote:On August 16 2012 02:19 shabby wrote:On August 16 2012 02:15 Jacobs Ladder wrote:On August 16 2012 02:03 sc2holar wrote:On August 16 2012 01:59 shabby wrote:On August 16 2012 01:58 sc2holar wrote:On August 16 2012 01:56 syllogism wrote:On August 16 2012 01:54 sc2holar wrote:On August 16 2012 01:53 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:raped Please dont use that word, its highly offensive and innapropriate. Is it more or less offensive than, say, "killer absolutely murdered him"? Just curious More. Because you can basicly "kill/murder/frag someone" in a game. Rape is something completley different and it should never be used in a gaming context because its offensive. You do know there are games where you rape, right? It is not different, just your opinion of it is, and we should not alter our langauge because you cannot control your emotions. This is starcraft 2 and as far as i know, you cant rape people in it. Remember when "when cheese failed" used the R word in the first NASL season and the president of NASL had to publicly apologize or something like that? its an offensive and distasteful word. If you kill someone in game, then you can obviously point out that you did it. but you cant make the same argument for rape. Its about manners and common sense, not emotions. Jesus, this has nothing to do with manners even. Its about being a decent human being. Rape isn't something to joke about, its horrific and it scars people for life. Its one of the worst things that can happen to someone. I have a close friend who was raped, she only recently started dealing with it. It has a daily negative effect on her. I won't say much more because, honestly, it makes me incredibly angry. Don't use that word, not because you should be PC, not because people tell you not to, but rather because it can invoke the worst thing that has ever happened to a person. Lets not use words like cancer, divorce, stillborn or slaughter either, because it can bring up bad memories for people whom those words have a special meaning. I know you're being stupid, but maybe you should watch the words you use. Things like cancer and stillborn can bring up very painful memories for people who've lost a loved one. Just try to be sensitive. Say what you mean and mean what you say. There is no insult in the English language that can't be stretched to offend someone.
Stop being such a briefcase.
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Oh man, just realised its Jarrett from pure pwnage
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lol did Jarret cale just bow .. ?
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Oh my god I just realised that Jarett from Pure Pwnage is hosting! That owns since he's been a massive Starcraft fan for so long <333
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On August 16 2012 02:24 Orek wrote:
Truth aside, the fact that this whole offensive language discussion happens itself proves that the word probably should not be used. I think it is OK to use among current gaming community, but if we aim at growing e-sports, maybe not.
Similar to talk of elephants, it's proved that this community is overly sensitive.
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btw when are played those 'open bracket' finals ?
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That shot of MC walking toward the crowd with his trophy looks so badass.
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Can't see jyp holding forgg's hellions
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On August 16 2012 02:23 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:21 Le BucheRON wrote:On August 16 2012 02:17 Sc2Null wrote:On August 16 2012 02:13 Chunhyang wrote:On August 16 2012 02:08 shabby wrote:On August 16 2012 02:03 sc2holar wrote:On August 16 2012 01:59 shabby wrote:On August 16 2012 01:58 sc2holar wrote:On August 16 2012 01:56 syllogism wrote:On August 16 2012 01:54 sc2holar wrote:
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Please dont use that word, its highly offensive and innapropriate. Is it more or less offensive than, say, "killer absolutely murdered him"? Just curious More. Because you can basicly "kill/murder/frag someone" in a game. Rape is something completley different and it should never be used in a gaming context because its offensive. You do know there are games where you rape, right? It is not different, just your opinion of it is, and we should not alter our langauge because you cannot control your emotions. This is starcraft 2 and as far as i know, you cant rape people in it. Remember when "when cheese failed" used the R word in the first NASL season and the president of NASL had to publicly apologize or something like that? its an offensive and distasteful word. If you kill someone in game, then you can obviously point out that you did it. but you cant make the same argument for rape. Its about manners and common sense, not emotions. It is emotions, because you are immediately using the definition of forcefully having sex with someone, while rape can mean everything from abuse to violate and plunder etc. You can rape someones base in SC2 for instance. It is not an offensive and distasteful word, that is your opinion. A word is a word, and its context is what could be deemed offensive, not the words themselves, which only job is to describe something. You are making a case for that rape is a more offensive word than others, and that is based on your experiences and emotions with the word, and your associations with it. Well, he does have a point though. 'Rape'. Some words have connotations that come with them, sometimes even regardless of the context they are used in. It's not always completely in the mind of the listener. However, I do think 'rape' in this context though [gaming/competition] is ok. Usage and all. Custom. It's tolerable. The guy is obviously trolling..If someone wants to say 'rape' or 'butt molested', thats his/her choice..You asking will only make them say it more. Yes, but someday someone they love will be affected in this way and they'll be the ones that prefer others not to use this slang/terminology. Just grow up and use a better word that doesn't involve imagery of someone forcibly violating someone. Did you know rape can refer to molestation in a completely non-personal sense? For example, the French imperialists raped the Haitian natural resources. Unless you think the French literally started fucking the dirt, you'e going to need to adopt a wider view of what words mean.
Yes, and rape is also another word for canola (where the oil comes from) but come on. We all know the connection here. I'm not going around calling people "faggot" and excusing myself because it has different meanings (cigarette, pile of wood).
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On August 16 2012 02:22 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:13 figq wrote:On August 16 2012 02:03 bo1b wrote:On August 16 2012 01:57 figq wrote:On August 16 2012 01:52 bo1b wrote:On August 16 2012 01:49 figq wrote:On August 16 2012 01:44 Jarree wrote:On August 16 2012 01:42 GeorgeTheGorge wrote:
My internet went down for 5 minutes. Anyone mind summarizing what happened the last 5 minutes of the game? Nestea went full Blizzcon Since Blizzcon he's done that kind of shit a bunch of other times too. I'm not sure if thats nestea getting worse or other players developing past the midgame. He never really gets outplayed in these cases. Just throws incomprehensibly a game he should win with his eyes closed. I'd argue throwing away armies in the late game is getting outplayed. In fact I can't recall if he's ever won a late game game (poor phrasing). Maybe you're right. I just respect Nestea too much to think that's really all he can do. He sometimes struggles so much to "finish the job". Just lets the opponent to regain economic and military power, while Nestea is just banking a ton of resources not doing anything for him, and eventually his "trading" / throwing armies inevitably dries his massive bank regardless. To be fair, that is exactly a problem that many (less capable) zergs face - failing to finish the opponent, letting him back in the game. It's just... it's Nestea... and we are talking here about cases when he has gigantic leads in every aspect of the game. I'm starting to believe in the "Zergbong". He won three gsls and was a master of zvz at one point for being able to almost always choose the right builds and make the right decisions in the early and mid game so respecting Nestea is absolutely deserving of that respect. He may be becoming Zergbong again but I believe with Hots release we will see some genius from him again
I think he just needs a confidence boost. If you lack confidence you dont really want to finish the game. He just needs to win a tournament or place highly in one, and he will be in shape again. I hope his age doesnt affect his mechanics as much
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On August 16 2012 02:25 Jacobs Ladder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:21 Bam Lee wrote:On August 16 2012 02:17 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 16 2012 02:15 Jacobs Ladder wrote:On August 16 2012 02:03 sc2holar wrote:On August 16 2012 01:59 shabby wrote:On August 16 2012 01:58 sc2holar wrote:On August 16 2012 01:56 syllogism wrote:On August 16 2012 01:54 sc2holar wrote:On August 16 2012 01:53 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:raped Please dont use that word, its highly offensive and innapropriate. Is it more or less offensive than, say, "killer absolutely murdered him"? Just curious More. Because you can basicly "kill/murder/frag someone" in a game. Rape is something completley different and it should never be used in a gaming context because its offensive. You do know there are games where you rape, right? It is not different, just your opinion of it is, and we should not alter our langauge because you cannot control your emotions. This is starcraft 2 and as far as i know, you cant rape people in it. Remember when "when cheese failed" used the R word in the first NASL season and the president of NASL had to publicly apologize or something like that? its an offensive and distasteful word. If you kill someone in game, then you can obviously point out that you did it. but you cant make the same argument for rape. Its about manners and common sense, not emotions. Jesus, this has nothing to do with manners even. Its about being a decent human being. Rape isn't something to joke about, its horrific and it scars people for life. Its one of the worst things that can happen to someone. I have a close friend who was raped, she only recently started dealing with it. It has a daily negative effect on her. I won't say much more because, honestly, it makes me incredibly angry. Don't use that word, not because you should be PC, not because people tell you not to, but rather because it can invoke the worst thing that has ever happened to a person. . My father died recently, so the word death is naturally potentially upsetting for me, or phrases like 'wow you nearly gave me a heart attack', should people stop saying things on the off-chance that it can upset or offend? was just about to write something similar. Seriously your reasoning behind not using the word is kinda stupid. If you cant tolerate a simple word in a forum then better stop reading in any forum. Nobody is joking about rape btw This communities shitty attitude towards minorities is actually (part of) why I've pretty much stepped out of it. I straight up refused to host Destiny when he came to Texas. I went from organizing tournaments to almost 0 involvment. I'm nursing a hangover and thought I'd watch IEM, alas, that seems to be a mistake.
Rofl. Sorry, this is incredibly petty and probably more toxic than Destiny's "attitude toward minorities" which, if you've actually watched his explanation, doesn't even exist.
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I'm really enjoying Jarett.
Brilliant one moment then awkward the next.
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OMFG I just realized ForGG means ''for-gg"
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I wish other tournaments could convince players with nothing to do into casting like IEM has done.
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I predict ForGG 2-0. JYP is weak versus terran and ForGG has been really good lately.
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On August 16 2012 02:26 Le BucheRON wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:23 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:21 Le BucheRON wrote:On August 16 2012 02:17 Sc2Null wrote:On August 16 2012 02:13 Chunhyang wrote:On August 16 2012 02:08 shabby wrote:On August 16 2012 02:03 sc2holar wrote:On August 16 2012 01:59 shabby wrote:On August 16 2012 01:58 sc2holar wrote:On August 16 2012 01:56 syllogism wrote:
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Is it more or less offensive than, say, "killer absolutely murdered him"? Just curious More. Because you can basicly "kill/murder/frag someone" in a game. Rape is something completley different and it should never be used in a gaming context because its offensive. You do know there are games where you rape, right? It is not different, just your opinion of it is, and we should not alter our langauge because you cannot control your emotions. This is starcraft 2 and as far as i know, you cant rape people in it. Remember when "when cheese failed" used the R word in the first NASL season and the president of NASL had to publicly apologize or something like that? its an offensive and distasteful word. If you kill someone in game, then you can obviously point out that you did it. but you cant make the same argument for rape. Its about manners and common sense, not emotions. It is emotions, because you are immediately using the definition of forcefully having sex with someone, while rape can mean everything from abuse to violate and plunder etc. You can rape someones base in SC2 for instance. It is not an offensive and distasteful word, that is your opinion. A word is a word, and its context is what could be deemed offensive, not the words themselves, which only job is to describe something. You are making a case for that rape is a more offensive word than others, and that is based on your experiences and emotions with the word, and your associations with it. Well, he does have a point though. 'Rape'. Some words have connotations that come with them, sometimes even regardless of the context they are used in. It's not always completely in the mind of the listener. However, I do think 'rape' in this context though [gaming/competition] is ok. Usage and all. Custom. It's tolerable. The guy is obviously trolling..If someone wants to say 'rape' or 'butt molested', thats his/her choice..You asking will only make them say it more. Yes, but someday someone they love will be affected in this way and they'll be the ones that prefer others not to use this slang/terminology. Just grow up and use a better word that doesn't involve imagery of someone forcibly violating someone. Did you know rape can refer to molestation in a completely non-personal sense? For example, the French imperialists raped the Haitian natural resources. Unless you think the French literally started fucking the dirt, you'e going to need to adopt a wider view of what words mean. Yes, and rape is also another word for canola (where the oil comes from) but come on. We all know the connection here. I'm not going around calling people "faggot" and excusing myself because it has different meanings (cigarette, pile of wood).
I'm pretty sure when I use the word "rape" to describe utterly dominating and crushing someone in the context of competition, I'm not referring to them actually having held down the opposing player and fucked them.
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