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In a way, for the sake of Taejas best, i wish people would slow down the hype a bit. Through SC2 and BW history there are many examples of rising stars, promising "bonjwas-to-be", that fell due to too much pressure and expectations. When you know the whole scene is watching you and think of you as a god, you dont want to dissapoint them, so it can create an immense pressure on the player wich can cause the player to make bad decisions and throw away games if a small mistake or a small setback happens, because again they know the whole world is counting on them to win so they throw away their gameplan and do something bad out of desperation (like the all ins taeja did in the few games i managed to catch).
Remember DRGs "I want to cry" tweet during the peak of his hype and "reign as the best player in the world" and how he got 3:0d the day after and seemingly has not come back from the slump yet?
i fully understand that people get hyped up when players display amazing skill but dont put to much pressure on these guys, theyre only human after all.
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On August 13 2012 10:57 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 10:55 Probe1 wrote:
Why, what team is Byun on? OH RIGHT :>
(I'm kidding <3)
Yes, starception has a point. I disagree with it but it doesn't mean either one of us is totally wrong or totally right. It's how we view the players and we can both hammer out empirical evidence until I eventually falter because TaeJa definitely has less results than other Terrans that aren't performing as well as he is currently. I'll continue believing Taeja is on a sick run and he has a great shot at a Ro4 or Finals seat in the next GSL, as well as any given foreign tournament. starception is more than welcome to disagree or at least think he is stronger in team leagues! ahaha  indeed starception is quite the troll tbh, he's the new brokenlol (possibly even the same person).
Yeah but even trolls have feelings and sometimes when I'm super wrong about things I get called a troll.
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I also imagine that this is how jinro felt after his second R4 in korea. the whole foreign scene was counting on him to perform well, but when things start to go bad in practice, its easy to have a nervous breakdown and lose focus of the game, and let your fear of dissapointing your fans take over your mind, wich can cause even calm players seemingly unaffected by nerves despite playing in front of a huge crowd to tremble in fear of their own expectationsö
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LG-IM to win another tournament? Also so happy to see Taeja disappoint. I can't believe all the hype around him after winning two major tournaments.
Go First and Seed!
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On August 13 2012 10:44 starception wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 10:40 Probe1 wrote:Mm I don't know about that. He made it to the round of 8, which was something eleven other Terrans failed to do. Had fortunes been switched and he had played Nestea where Byun did; and Byun took his place against MC? I think MC definitely would have won his game and Taejas now proven himself twice over Nestea. I get what you're saying now but I still believe Taeja does fine in individual leagues, especially when he finished higher than  Keen, TheStC, GuMiho, Mvp, Happy, SuperNoVa, GanZi, MarineKing, Maru and RyungIn fact, the only people that gave him serious trouble in the last GSL were the two finalists, MC and Seed :O Except none of those Terrans are good at marathon style tournaments... also, Gumiho and Happy: ro4 mvp: 4 time GSL winner MKP: Silver three times. I also believe Ryung, Keen and Ganzi have made it into Ro8 before. Yes during specifically seasons 2 and 3 he made it farther than them.
What world are you in dude, Marinekingprime is amazing at marathon style tournaments. He has won 2 MLGs and got 1 Silver in another (3-4) to DRG.
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On August 13 2012 10:58 sc2holar wrote:
In a way, for the sake of Taejas best, i wish people would slow down the hype a bit. Through SC2 and BW history there are many examples of rising stars, promising "bonjwas-to-be", that fell due to too much pressure and expectations. When you know the whole scene is watching you and think of you as a god, you dont want to dissapoint them, so it can create an immense pressure on the player wich can cause the player to make bad decisions and throw away games if a small mistake or a small setback happens, because again they know the whole world is counting on them to win so they throw away their gameplan and do something bad out of desperation (like the all ins taeja did in the few games i managed to catch).
Remember DRGs "I want to cry" tweet during the peak of his hype and "reign as the best player in the world" and how he got 3:0d the day after and seemingly has not come back from the slump yet?
i fully understand that people get hyped up when players display amazing skill but dont put to much pressure on these guys, theyre only human after all.
Sorry, over-hyping players and putting immense pressure on progamers is what this community does best. :p
Problem is that the community as a whole as a very short attention span. "We" only really remember the events of the past month, and everything else before becomes pre-history, so very recent events usually hold a disproportionate weight when "we" create a list of the "best players in the world". That is also why "we" are so quick to call "slumps" for a player.
It's worse for Taeja because of Liquid relative lack of depth, which causes Liquid fans to put extra pressure and expectations on him (See IPL TAC). He had to play 8 games this weekend, and unlike a Bo7 where you are allowed to lose 3 games, Taeja didn't have that luxury: He had to seal the match for Liquid, or at least put Liquid in a hugely advantageous position, otherwise IM's depth would just grind Liquid down.
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On August 13 2012 11:54 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 10:58 sc2holar wrote:
In a way, for the sake of Taejas best, i wish people would slow down the hype a bit. Through SC2 and BW history there are many examples of rising stars, promising "bonjwas-to-be", that fell due to too much pressure and expectations. When you know the whole scene is watching you and think of you as a god, you dont want to dissapoint them, so it can create an immense pressure on the player wich can cause the player to make bad decisions and throw away games if a small mistake or a small setback happens, because again they know the whole world is counting on them to win so they throw away their gameplan and do something bad out of desperation (like the all ins taeja did in the few games i managed to catch).
Remember DRGs "I want to cry" tweet during the peak of his hype and "reign as the best player in the world" and how he got 3:0d the day after and seemingly has not come back from the slump yet?
i fully understand that people get hyped up when players display amazing skill but dont put to much pressure on these guys, theyre only human after all. Sorry, over-hyping players and putting immense pressure on progamers is what this community does best. :p Problem is that the community as a whole as a very short attention span. "We" only really remember the events of the past month, and everything else before becomes pre-history, so very recent events usually hold a disproportionate weight when "we" create a list of the "best players in the world". That is also why "we" are so quick to call "slumps" for a player. It's worse for Taeja because of Liquid relative lack of depth, which causes Liquid fans to put extra pressure and expectations on him (See IPL TAC). He had to play 8 games this weekend, and unlike a Bo7 where you are allowed to lose 3 games, Taeja didn't have that luxury: He had to seal the match for Liquid, or at least put Liquid in a hugely advantageous position, otherwise IM's depth would just grind Liquid down.
What's amazing though, and what makes me hopeful for Taeja's future, is that despite all that pressure, he pulled a near miracle in IPL TAC. And that was after these TSL games had been played. He all-killed IM in the first series. He all-killed IM after being knocked out of a tournament by an IM player, with the whole Liquid fanbase watching him, the whole team counting on him and needing him to win. It takes nerves of steel to pull that off. We'll see what happens in the future, if Taeja goes up or down, but so far, he seems to be able to put pressures and disappointments aside and play. Personally, I don't care too much about the hype. He's been looking ridiculously good lately, and if he keeps it up or improves, he will be able to live up to it. If not, he'll still be a damn good player that has given me a ton of great games to watch and be inspired by.
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On August 13 2012 12:02 Vaftrudner wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 11:54 Bagration wrote:On August 13 2012 10:58 sc2holar wrote:
In a way, for the sake of Taejas best, i wish people would slow down the hype a bit. Through SC2 and BW history there are many examples of rising stars, promising "bonjwas-to-be", that fell due to too much pressure and expectations. When you know the whole scene is watching you and think of you as a god, you dont want to dissapoint them, so it can create an immense pressure on the player wich can cause the player to make bad decisions and throw away games if a small mistake or a small setback happens, because again they know the whole world is counting on them to win so they throw away their gameplan and do something bad out of desperation (like the all ins taeja did in the few games i managed to catch).
Remember DRGs "I want to cry" tweet during the peak of his hype and "reign as the best player in the world" and how he got 3:0d the day after and seemingly has not come back from the slump yet?
i fully understand that people get hyped up when players display amazing skill but dont put to much pressure on these guys, theyre only human after all. Sorry, over-hyping players and putting immense pressure on progamers is what this community does best. :p Problem is that the community as a whole as a very short attention span. "We" only really remember the events of the past month, and everything else before becomes pre-history, so very recent events usually hold a disproportionate weight when "we" create a list of the "best players in the world". That is also why "we" are so quick to call "slumps" for a player. It's worse for Taeja because of Liquid relative lack of depth, which causes Liquid fans to put extra pressure and expectations on him (See IPL TAC). He had to play 8 games this weekend, and unlike a Bo7 where you are allowed to lose 3 games, Taeja didn't have that luxury: He had to seal the match for Liquid, or at least put Liquid in a hugely advantageous position, otherwise IM's depth would just grind Liquid down. What's amazing though, and what makes me hopeful for Taeja's future, is that despite all that pressure, he pulled a near miracle in IPL TAC. And that was after these TSL games had been played. He all-killed IM in the first series. He all-killed IM after being knocked out of a tournament by an IM player, with the whole Liquid fanbase watching him, the whole team counting on him and needing him to win. It takes nerves of steel to pull that off. We'll see what happens in the future, if Taeja goes up or down, but so far, he seems to be able to put pressures and disappointments aside and play. Personally, I don't care too much about the hype. He's been looking ridiculously good lately, and if he keeps it up or improves, he will be able to live up to it. If not, he'll still be a damn good player that has given me a ton of great games to watch and be inspired by.
I agree. Taeja's recent form has been nearly unstoppable. I hope that Liquid will continue to participate in next season's GSTL, and I look forward to seeing how they will do in the hardest teamleague in the world.
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On August 13 2012 12:19 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 12:02 Vaftrudner wrote:On August 13 2012 11:54 Bagration wrote:On August 13 2012 10:58 sc2holar wrote:
In a way, for the sake of Taejas best, i wish people would slow down the hype a bit. Through SC2 and BW history there are many examples of rising stars, promising "bonjwas-to-be", that fell due to too much pressure and expectations. When you know the whole scene is watching you and think of you as a god, you dont want to dissapoint them, so it can create an immense pressure on the player wich can cause the player to make bad decisions and throw away games if a small mistake or a small setback happens, because again they know the whole world is counting on them to win so they throw away their gameplan and do something bad out of desperation (like the all ins taeja did in the few games i managed to catch).
Remember DRGs "I want to cry" tweet during the peak of his hype and "reign as the best player in the world" and how he got 3:0d the day after and seemingly has not come back from the slump yet?
i fully understand that people get hyped up when players display amazing skill but dont put to much pressure on these guys, theyre only human after all. Sorry, over-hyping players and putting immense pressure on progamers is what this community does best. :p Problem is that the community as a whole as a very short attention span. "We" only really remember the events of the past month, and everything else before becomes pre-history, so very recent events usually hold a disproportionate weight when "we" create a list of the "best players in the world". That is also why "we" are so quick to call "slumps" for a player. It's worse for Taeja because of Liquid relative lack of depth, which causes Liquid fans to put extra pressure and expectations on him (See IPL TAC). He had to play 8 games this weekend, and unlike a Bo7 where you are allowed to lose 3 games, Taeja didn't have that luxury: He had to seal the match for Liquid, or at least put Liquid in a hugely advantageous position, otherwise IM's depth would just grind Liquid down. What's amazing though, and what makes me hopeful for Taeja's future, is that despite all that pressure, he pulled a near miracle in IPL TAC. And that was after these TSL games had been played. He all-killed IM in the first series. He all-killed IM after being knocked out of a tournament by an IM player, with the whole Liquid fanbase watching him, the whole team counting on him and needing him to win. It takes nerves of steel to pull that off. We'll see what happens in the future, if Taeja goes up or down, but so far, he seems to be able to put pressures and disappointments aside and play. Personally, I don't care too much about the hype. He's been looking ridiculously good lately, and if he keeps it up or improves, he will be able to live up to it. If not, he'll still be a damn good player that has given me a ton of great games to watch and be inspired by. I agree. Taeja's recent form has been nearly unstoppable. I hope that Liquid will continue to participate in next season's GSTL, and I look forward to seeing how they will do in the hardest teamleague in the world.
i want a combined kespa-ESF GSTL and PL ;D now that would be epic, foreigners vs. esf vs. elephants
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On August 13 2012 12:28 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 12:19 Bagration wrote:On August 13 2012 12:02 Vaftrudner wrote:On August 13 2012 11:54 Bagration wrote:On August 13 2012 10:58 sc2holar wrote:
In a way, for the sake of Taejas best, i wish people would slow down the hype a bit. Through SC2 and BW history there are many examples of rising stars, promising "bonjwas-to-be", that fell due to too much pressure and expectations. When you know the whole scene is watching you and think of you as a god, you dont want to dissapoint them, so it can create an immense pressure on the player wich can cause the player to make bad decisions and throw away games if a small mistake or a small setback happens, because again they know the whole world is counting on them to win so they throw away their gameplan and do something bad out of desperation (like the all ins taeja did in the few games i managed to catch).
Remember DRGs "I want to cry" tweet during the peak of his hype and "reign as the best player in the world" and how he got 3:0d the day after and seemingly has not come back from the slump yet?
i fully understand that people get hyped up when players display amazing skill but dont put to much pressure on these guys, theyre only human after all. Sorry, over-hyping players and putting immense pressure on progamers is what this community does best. :p Problem is that the community as a whole as a very short attention span. "We" only really remember the events of the past month, and everything else before becomes pre-history, so very recent events usually hold a disproportionate weight when "we" create a list of the "best players in the world". That is also why "we" are so quick to call "slumps" for a player. It's worse for Taeja because of Liquid relative lack of depth, which causes Liquid fans to put extra pressure and expectations on him (See IPL TAC). He had to play 8 games this weekend, and unlike a Bo7 where you are allowed to lose 3 games, Taeja didn't have that luxury: He had to seal the match for Liquid, or at least put Liquid in a hugely advantageous position, otherwise IM's depth would just grind Liquid down. What's amazing though, and what makes me hopeful for Taeja's future, is that despite all that pressure, he pulled a near miracle in IPL TAC. And that was after these TSL games had been played. He all-killed IM in the first series. He all-killed IM after being knocked out of a tournament by an IM player, with the whole Liquid fanbase watching him, the whole team counting on him and needing him to win. It takes nerves of steel to pull that off. We'll see what happens in the future, if Taeja goes up or down, but so far, he seems to be able to put pressures and disappointments aside and play. Personally, I don't care too much about the hype. He's been looking ridiculously good lately, and if he keeps it up or improves, he will be able to live up to it. If not, he'll still be a damn good player that has given me a ton of great games to watch and be inspired by. I agree. Taeja's recent form has been nearly unstoppable. I hope that Liquid will continue to participate in next season's GSTL, and I look forward to seeing how they will do in the hardest teamleague in the world. i want a combined kespa-ESF GSTL and PL ;D now that would be epic, foreigners vs. esf vs. elephants
I doubt we will be able to see that as an offline tournament, due to the logistical nightmare and cost of sending all the foreign players to Korea (logical place to hold such an event).
Closest thing we have to that would probably be IPL Teamleague if they were to invite the Kespa teams. The foreigners (gazelles) and the GSTL powerhouse teams (lions) are already there, the savannah that is IPTL only needs some elephants now.
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opterown
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On August 13 2012 12:40 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 12:28 opterown wrote:On August 13 2012 12:19 Bagration wrote:On August 13 2012 12:02 Vaftrudner wrote:On August 13 2012 11:54 Bagration wrote:On August 13 2012 10:58 sc2holar wrote:
In a way, for the sake of Taejas best, i wish people would slow down the hype a bit. Through SC2 and BW history there are many examples of rising stars, promising "bonjwas-to-be", that fell due to too much pressure and expectations. When you know the whole scene is watching you and think of you as a god, you dont want to dissapoint them, so it can create an immense pressure on the player wich can cause the player to make bad decisions and throw away games if a small mistake or a small setback happens, because again they know the whole world is counting on them to win so they throw away their gameplan and do something bad out of desperation (like the all ins taeja did in the few games i managed to catch).
Remember DRGs "I want to cry" tweet during the peak of his hype and "reign as the best player in the world" and how he got 3:0d the day after and seemingly has not come back from the slump yet?
i fully understand that people get hyped up when players display amazing skill but dont put to much pressure on these guys, theyre only human after all. Sorry, over-hyping players and putting immense pressure on progamers is what this community does best. :p Problem is that the community as a whole as a very short attention span. "We" only really remember the events of the past month, and everything else before becomes pre-history, so very recent events usually hold a disproportionate weight when "we" create a list of the "best players in the world". That is also why "we" are so quick to call "slumps" for a player. It's worse for Taeja because of Liquid relative lack of depth, which causes Liquid fans to put extra pressure and expectations on him (See IPL TAC). He had to play 8 games this weekend, and unlike a Bo7 where you are allowed to lose 3 games, Taeja didn't have that luxury: He had to seal the match for Liquid, or at least put Liquid in a hugely advantageous position, otherwise IM's depth would just grind Liquid down. What's amazing though, and what makes me hopeful for Taeja's future, is that despite all that pressure, he pulled a near miracle in IPL TAC. And that was after these TSL games had been played. He all-killed IM in the first series. He all-killed IM after being knocked out of a tournament by an IM player, with the whole Liquid fanbase watching him, the whole team counting on him and needing him to win. It takes nerves of steel to pull that off. We'll see what happens in the future, if Taeja goes up or down, but so far, he seems to be able to put pressures and disappointments aside and play. Personally, I don't care too much about the hype. He's been looking ridiculously good lately, and if he keeps it up or improves, he will be able to live up to it. If not, he'll still be a damn good player that has given me a ton of great games to watch and be inspired by. I agree. Taeja's recent form has been nearly unstoppable. I hope that Liquid will continue to participate in next season's GSTL, and I look forward to seeing how they will do in the hardest teamleague in the world. i want a combined kespa-ESF GSTL and PL ;D now that would be epic, foreigners vs. esf vs. elephants I doubt we will be able to see that as an offline tournament, due to the logistical nightmare and cost of sending all the foreign players to Korea (logical place to hold such an event). Closest thing we have to that would probably be IPL Teamleague if they were to invite the Kespa teams. The foreigners (gazelles) and the GSTL powerhouse teams (lions) are already there, the savannah that is IPTL only needs some elephants now.
having, say, team liquid, eg, and perhaps another f-united team would not be that difficult i think?
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On August 13 2012 12:46 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 12:40 Bagration wrote:On August 13 2012 12:28 opterown wrote:On August 13 2012 12:19 Bagration wrote:On August 13 2012 12:02 Vaftrudner wrote:On August 13 2012 11:54 Bagration wrote:On August 13 2012 10:58 sc2holar wrote:
In a way, for the sake of Taejas best, i wish people would slow down the hype a bit. Through SC2 and BW history there are many examples of rising stars, promising "bonjwas-to-be", that fell due to too much pressure and expectations. When you know the whole scene is watching you and think of you as a god, you dont want to dissapoint them, so it can create an immense pressure on the player wich can cause the player to make bad decisions and throw away games if a small mistake or a small setback happens, because again they know the whole world is counting on them to win so they throw away their gameplan and do something bad out of desperation (like the all ins taeja did in the few games i managed to catch).
Remember DRGs "I want to cry" tweet during the peak of his hype and "reign as the best player in the world" and how he got 3:0d the day after and seemingly has not come back from the slump yet?
i fully understand that people get hyped up when players display amazing skill but dont put to much pressure on these guys, theyre only human after all. Sorry, over-hyping players and putting immense pressure on progamers is what this community does best. :p Problem is that the community as a whole as a very short attention span. "We" only really remember the events of the past month, and everything else before becomes pre-history, so very recent events usually hold a disproportionate weight when "we" create a list of the "best players in the world". That is also why "we" are so quick to call "slumps" for a player. It's worse for Taeja because of Liquid relative lack of depth, which causes Liquid fans to put extra pressure and expectations on him (See IPL TAC). He had to play 8 games this weekend, and unlike a Bo7 where you are allowed to lose 3 games, Taeja didn't have that luxury: He had to seal the match for Liquid, or at least put Liquid in a hugely advantageous position, otherwise IM's depth would just grind Liquid down. What's amazing though, and what makes me hopeful for Taeja's future, is that despite all that pressure, he pulled a near miracle in IPL TAC. And that was after these TSL games had been played. He all-killed IM in the first series. He all-killed IM after being knocked out of a tournament by an IM player, with the whole Liquid fanbase watching him, the whole team counting on him and needing him to win. It takes nerves of steel to pull that off. We'll see what happens in the future, if Taeja goes up or down, but so far, he seems to be able to put pressures and disappointments aside and play. Personally, I don't care too much about the hype. He's been looking ridiculously good lately, and if he keeps it up or improves, he will be able to live up to it. If not, he'll still be a damn good player that has given me a ton of great games to watch and be inspired by. I agree. Taeja's recent form has been nearly unstoppable. I hope that Liquid will continue to participate in next season's GSTL, and I look forward to seeing how they will do in the hardest teamleague in the world. i want a combined kespa-ESF GSTL and PL ;D now that would be epic, foreigners vs. esf vs. elephants I doubt we will be able to see that as an offline tournament, due to the logistical nightmare and cost of sending all the foreign players to Korea (logical place to hold such an event). Closest thing we have to that would probably be IPL Teamleague if they were to invite the Kespa teams. The foreigners (gazelles) and the GSTL powerhouse teams (lions) are already there, the savannah that is IPTL only needs some elephants now. having, say, team liquid, eg, and perhaps another f-united team would not be that difficult i think?
I don't think EG is stong enough to stand on its own, nor does it have enough players in Korea to currently field a team I think (Puma, JYP, Huk, Thorzain....and?). Even Liquid barely was able to put up a team, and with Jinro retiring they have Taeja, Hero, TLO, Haypro and Zenio in Korea, which is not enough to put up a good showing in my opinion.
Fnatic has foreigners, but we will probably rarely see them played.
Europeans teams like Empire, Dignitas, Mouz, Acer, etc. will never have a chance to participate due to the logistics, costs, and the culture shock.
Unfortunately online tournaments is probably all we will get in terms of a wide variety of foreign participation and Korean representation. At least we might get to see Stephano play in the GSTL, and perhaps Thorzain as a part of Slayers-EG. Hell, maybe Startale might even throw Sase out now and then.
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On August 13 2012 12:58 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 12:46 opterown wrote:On August 13 2012 12:40 Bagration wrote:On August 13 2012 12:28 opterown wrote:On August 13 2012 12:19 Bagration wrote:On August 13 2012 12:02 Vaftrudner wrote:On August 13 2012 11:54 Bagration wrote:On August 13 2012 10:58 sc2holar wrote:
In a way, for the sake of Taejas best, i wish people would slow down the hype a bit. Through SC2 and BW history there are many examples of rising stars, promising "bonjwas-to-be", that fell due to too much pressure and expectations. When you know the whole scene is watching you and think of you as a god, you dont want to dissapoint them, so it can create an immense pressure on the player wich can cause the player to make bad decisions and throw away games if a small mistake or a small setback happens, because again they know the whole world is counting on them to win so they throw away their gameplan and do something bad out of desperation (like the all ins taeja did in the few games i managed to catch).
Remember DRGs "I want to cry" tweet during the peak of his hype and "reign as the best player in the world" and how he got 3:0d the day after and seemingly has not come back from the slump yet?
i fully understand that people get hyped up when players display amazing skill but dont put to much pressure on these guys, theyre only human after all. Sorry, over-hyping players and putting immense pressure on progamers is what this community does best. :p Problem is that the community as a whole as a very short attention span. "We" only really remember the events of the past month, and everything else before becomes pre-history, so very recent events usually hold a disproportionate weight when "we" create a list of the "best players in the world". That is also why "we" are so quick to call "slumps" for a player. It's worse for Taeja because of Liquid relative lack of depth, which causes Liquid fans to put extra pressure and expectations on him (See IPL TAC). He had to play 8 games this weekend, and unlike a Bo7 where you are allowed to lose 3 games, Taeja didn't have that luxury: He had to seal the match for Liquid, or at least put Liquid in a hugely advantageous position, otherwise IM's depth would just grind Liquid down. What's amazing though, and what makes me hopeful for Taeja's future, is that despite all that pressure, he pulled a near miracle in IPL TAC. And that was after these TSL games had been played. He all-killed IM in the first series. He all-killed IM after being knocked out of a tournament by an IM player, with the whole Liquid fanbase watching him, the whole team counting on him and needing him to win. It takes nerves of steel to pull that off. We'll see what happens in the future, if Taeja goes up or down, but so far, he seems to be able to put pressures and disappointments aside and play. Personally, I don't care too much about the hype. He's been looking ridiculously good lately, and if he keeps it up or improves, he will be able to live up to it. If not, he'll still be a damn good player that has given me a ton of great games to watch and be inspired by. I agree. Taeja's recent form has been nearly unstoppable. I hope that Liquid will continue to participate in next season's GSTL, and I look forward to seeing how they will do in the hardest teamleague in the world. i want a combined kespa-ESF GSTL and PL ;D now that would be epic, foreigners vs. esf vs. elephants I doubt we will be able to see that as an offline tournament, due to the logistical nightmare and cost of sending all the foreign players to Korea (logical place to hold such an event). Closest thing we have to that would probably be IPL Teamleague if they were to invite the Kespa teams. The foreigners (gazelles) and the GSTL powerhouse teams (lions) are already there, the savannah that is IPTL only needs some elephants now. having, say, team liquid, eg, and perhaps another f-united team would not be that difficult i think? I don't think EG is stong enough to stand on its own, nor does it have enough players in Korea to currently field a team I think (Puma, JYP, Huk, Thorzain....and?). Even Liquid barely was able to put up a team, and with Jinro retiring they have Taeja, Hero, TLO, Haypro and Zenio in Korea, which is not enough to put up a good showing in my opinion. Fnatic has foreigners, but we will probably rarely see them played. Europeans teams like Empire, Dignitas, Mouz, Acer, etc. will never have a chance to participate due to the logistics, costs, and the culture shock. Unfortunately online tournaments is probably all we will get in terms of a wide variety of foreign participation and Korean representation. At least we might get to see Stephano play in the GSTL, and perhaps Thorzain as a part of Slayers-EG. Hell, maybe Startale might even throw Sase out now and then.
As much as I would love to see Sase in GSTL the chance of him getting sent out after Startale's acquisition of Zenex is about 0% 
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Speaking of Taeja's dominance, I see that as a great thing for Liquid's development as a team. Hopefully it'll inspire the rest of the team to practice like absolute madmen.
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As expected TaeJa won't be the one to win, you ain't gonna win the TSL by being a favorite!
Creator or VortiX I believe!
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Damn it, Taeja, Darkforce and Hasuobs all had to lose.
WHY!!!
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On August 13 2012 12:59 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 12:58 Bagration wrote:On August 13 2012 12:46 opterown wrote:On August 13 2012 12:40 Bagration wrote:On August 13 2012 12:28 opterown wrote:On August 13 2012 12:19 Bagration wrote:On August 13 2012 12:02 Vaftrudner wrote:On August 13 2012 11:54 Bagration wrote:On August 13 2012 10:58 sc2holar wrote:
In a way, for the sake of Taejas best, i wish people would slow down the hype a bit. Through SC2 and BW history there are many examples of rising stars, promising "bonjwas-to-be", that fell due to too much pressure and expectations. When you know the whole scene is watching you and think of you as a god, you dont want to dissapoint them, so it can create an immense pressure on the player wich can cause the player to make bad decisions and throw away games if a small mistake or a small setback happens, because again they know the whole world is counting on them to win so they throw away their gameplan and do something bad out of desperation (like the all ins taeja did in the few games i managed to catch).
Remember DRGs "I want to cry" tweet during the peak of his hype and "reign as the best player in the world" and how he got 3:0d the day after and seemingly has not come back from the slump yet?
i fully understand that people get hyped up when players display amazing skill but dont put to much pressure on these guys, theyre only human after all. Sorry, over-hyping players and putting immense pressure on progamers is what this community does best. :p Problem is that the community as a whole as a very short attention span. "We" only really remember the events of the past month, and everything else before becomes pre-history, so very recent events usually hold a disproportionate weight when "we" create a list of the "best players in the world". That is also why "we" are so quick to call "slumps" for a player. It's worse for Taeja because of Liquid relative lack of depth, which causes Liquid fans to put extra pressure and expectations on him (See IPL TAC). He had to play 8 games this weekend, and unlike a Bo7 where you are allowed to lose 3 games, Taeja didn't have that luxury: He had to seal the match for Liquid, or at least put Liquid in a hugely advantageous position, otherwise IM's depth would just grind Liquid down. What's amazing though, and what makes me hopeful for Taeja's future, is that despite all that pressure, he pulled a near miracle in IPL TAC. And that was after these TSL games had been played. He all-killed IM in the first series. He all-killed IM after being knocked out of a tournament by an IM player, with the whole Liquid fanbase watching him, the whole team counting on him and needing him to win. It takes nerves of steel to pull that off. We'll see what happens in the future, if Taeja goes up or down, but so far, he seems to be able to put pressures and disappointments aside and play. Personally, I don't care too much about the hype. He's been looking ridiculously good lately, and if he keeps it up or improves, he will be able to live up to it. If not, he'll still be a damn good player that has given me a ton of great games to watch and be inspired by. I agree. Taeja's recent form has been nearly unstoppable. I hope that Liquid will continue to participate in next season's GSTL, and I look forward to seeing how they will do in the hardest teamleague in the world. i want a combined kespa-ESF GSTL and PL ;D now that would be epic, foreigners vs. esf vs. elephants I doubt we will be able to see that as an offline tournament, due to the logistical nightmare and cost of sending all the foreign players to Korea (logical place to hold such an event). Closest thing we have to that would probably be IPL Teamleague if they were to invite the Kespa teams. The foreigners (gazelles) and the GSTL powerhouse teams (lions) are already there, the savannah that is IPTL only needs some elephants now. having, say, team liquid, eg, and perhaps another f-united team would not be that difficult i think? I don't think EG is stong enough to stand on its own, nor does it have enough players in Korea to currently field a team I think (Puma, JYP, Huk, Thorzain....and?). Even Liquid barely was able to put up a team, and with Jinro retiring they have Taeja, Hero, TLO, Haypro and Zenio in Korea, which is not enough to put up a good showing in my opinion. Fnatic has foreigners, but we will probably rarely see them played. Europeans teams like Empire, Dignitas, Mouz, Acer, etc. will never have a chance to participate due to the logistics, costs, and the culture shock. Unfortunately online tournaments is probably all we will get in terms of a wide variety of foreign participation and Korean representation. At least we might get to see Stephano play in the GSTL, and perhaps Thorzain as a part of Slayers-EG. Hell, maybe Startale might even throw Sase out now and then. As much as I would love to see Sase in GSTL the chance of him getting sent out after Startale's acquisition of Zenex is about 0%
even before Zenex came on board it was low. Not because Sase is a bad player or anything, but because StarTale is so deep with amazing Protoss players.
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On August 13 2012 13:39 Dakkas wrote:
Damn it, Taeja, Darkforce and Hasuobs all had to lose.
WHY!!!
Indeed... =(
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On August 13 2012 13:01 HolyArrow wrote:
Speaking of Taeja's dominance, I see that as a great thing for Liquid's development as a team. Hopefully it'll inspire the rest of the team to practice like absolute madmen.
as a casual random follower of TL i felt some sort of relief when taeja lost in ipl and on tsl. to get some sort of break. taeja has been performing really well but i hope he doesnt get burned out or like some say, i hope he doesn't get overwhelmed by the pressure. in future matches i hope to see more TL members perform, especially hero and tlo (y u no use terran?).
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