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On August 13 2012 08:46 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 08:44 ohampatu wrote:On August 13 2012 08:43 Qikz wrote:On August 13 2012 08:41 Cele wrote:On August 13 2012 08:39 Qikz wrote:On August 13 2012 08:38 Type|NarutO wrote:On August 13 2012 08:37 Qikz wrote:On August 13 2012 08:37 MangoMountain wrote:On August 13 2012 08:35 PeggyHill wrote:On August 13 2012 08:34 c0ldfusion wrote:
lol 2 base colossus... sigh... Double eng bay before extra rax, delayed medivacs/vikings to get a raven, no scouting of the quick colossus, this is the kind of play a 2 base all in SHOULD punish. He even salvaged his fucking bunkers, if first didn't kill him then and there the game would be 100% over I wish you couldn't salvage bunkers. I've lost games too where I've salvaged my bunkers then noticed an army coming at me. Really sucks. :/ Same. Pressing salvage, attack arrives. FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU :D The worst thing is you can't even cancel it. You salvage, see an army, go to cancel and the games like. Nope! T_T Yeah it´s a pitty you cannot even reverse the refunding from your static defense, where the other 2 races can´t even refund them. Horrible. It's a shame the other 2 races static defenses are useful for most of the game but a bunker is useless after you take the marines out. Look, I don't want to start an argument I was just making a point. Salvage lost Taeja that game. alot more than salvage lost taeja that game If he'd have had his bunkers still his units would have survived long enough for all his upgrades to come into play. It was crazy timing by First but the bunkers would have helped for just long enough I think and he would have had his vikings for the collosus too.
It would have helped him, and possibly let him hold. But I can give what I think all added up if it helps.
Salvage was a bad choice.
Raven was a bad choice.
Siege wasn't going to finish in time.
Some off scouting/reacting by taeja
The buid order taeja did is one that the 2 base colo alllin is meant to punish/beat. He would have lost those 25 scv's at his natural regardless if he held. Which would have let First win after a macroing up for a bit
edit: if you noticed, first actually targeted the stacked scv's when they were pulled before switching back to the units, he was playing safe, so that if the push was held, he had double the economy after to fall back on
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On August 13 2012 08:48 Dodgin wrote:
So far in the round of 8 we have Hack vs Creator and First vs Sting bo7's
sick sick sick.
Tbh hack has struggled lots in his TvP despite the results and sting is absurdly all in in TvP I think you may be dissapointed.
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On August 13 2012 08:46 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 08:43 Qikz wrote:On August 13 2012 08:41 Cele wrote:On August 13 2012 08:39 Qikz wrote:On August 13 2012 08:38 Type|NarutO wrote:On August 13 2012 08:37 Qikz wrote:On August 13 2012 08:37 MangoMountain wrote:On August 13 2012 08:35 PeggyHill wrote:On August 13 2012 08:34 c0ldfusion wrote:
lol 2 base colossus... sigh... Double eng bay before extra rax, delayed medivacs/vikings to get a raven, no scouting of the quick colossus, this is the kind of play a 2 base all in SHOULD punish. He even salvaged his fucking bunkers, if first didn't kill him then and there the game would be 100% over I wish you couldn't salvage bunkers. I've lost games too where I've salvaged my bunkers then noticed an army coming at me. Really sucks. :/ Same. Pressing salvage, attack arrives. FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU :D The worst thing is you can't even cancel it. You salvage, see an army, go to cancel and the games like. Nope! T_T Yeah it´s a pitty you cannot even reverse the refunding from your static defense, where the other 2 races can´t even refund them. Horrible. It's a shame the other 2 races static defenses are useful for most of the game but a bunker is useless after you take the marines out. Look, I don't want to start an argument I was just making a point. Salvage lost Taeja that game. Right, lets not do so. And yes it did loose him the game.
I firmly believe that at this point, this is just part of some elaborate troll that I am not privy to... because if not.... COME ON PEOPLE!
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On August 13 2012 08:43 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 08:41 Cele wrote:On August 13 2012 08:39 Qikz wrote:On August 13 2012 08:38 Type|NarutO wrote:On August 13 2012 08:37 Qikz wrote:On August 13 2012 08:37 MangoMountain wrote:On August 13 2012 08:35 PeggyHill wrote:On August 13 2012 08:34 c0ldfusion wrote:
lol 2 base colossus... sigh... Double eng bay before extra rax, delayed medivacs/vikings to get a raven, no scouting of the quick colossus, this is the kind of play a 2 base all in SHOULD punish. He even salvaged his fucking bunkers, if first didn't kill him then and there the game would be 100% over I wish you couldn't salvage bunkers. I've lost games too where I've salvaged my bunkers then noticed an army coming at me. Really sucks. :/ Same. Pressing salvage, attack arrives. FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU :D The worst thing is you can't even cancel it. You salvage, see an army, go to cancel and the games like. Nope! T_T Yeah it´s a pitty you cannot even reverse the refunding from your static defense, where the other 2 races can´t even refund them. Horrible. It's a shame the other 2 races static defenses are useful for most of the game but a bunker is useless after you take the marines out. Look, I don't want to start an argument I was just making a point. Salvage lost Taeja that game.
As soon as i saw the bunker salvaging all i could think was "there is no reason to salvage right now" - there are very limited circumstances (if any) where that extra 75 minerals is so vitally important that you need to sacrifice your defense, particularly at that stage of the game 
Poor Taeja
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On August 13 2012 08:49 bkrow wrote:As soon as i saw the bunker salvaging all i could think was "there is no reason to salvage right now" - there are very limited circumstances (if any) where that extra 75 minerals is so vitally important that you need to sacrifice your defense, particularly at that stage of the game
Most Terrans pros are particularly reckless with Bunker salvaging.
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On August 13 2012 08:49 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 08:46 Cele wrote:On August 13 2012 08:43 Qikz wrote:On August 13 2012 08:41 Cele wrote:On August 13 2012 08:39 Qikz wrote:On August 13 2012 08:38 Type|NarutO wrote:On August 13 2012 08:37 Qikz wrote:On August 13 2012 08:37 MangoMountain wrote:On August 13 2012 08:35 PeggyHill wrote:On August 13 2012 08:34 c0ldfusion wrote:
lol 2 base colossus... sigh... Double eng bay before extra rax, delayed medivacs/vikings to get a raven, no scouting of the quick colossus, this is the kind of play a 2 base all in SHOULD punish. He even salvaged his fucking bunkers, if first didn't kill him then and there the game would be 100% over I wish you couldn't salvage bunkers. I've lost games too where I've salvaged my bunkers then noticed an army coming at me. Really sucks. :/ Same. Pressing salvage, attack arrives. FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU :D The worst thing is you can't even cancel it. You salvage, see an army, go to cancel and the games like. Nope! T_T Yeah it´s a pitty you cannot even reverse the refunding from your static defense, where the other 2 races can´t even refund them. Horrible. It's a shame the other 2 races static defenses are useful for most of the game but a bunker is useless after you take the marines out. Look, I don't want to start an argument I was just making a point. Salvage lost Taeja that game. Right, lets not do so. And yes it did loose him the game. I firmly believe that at this point, this is just part of some elaborate troll that I am not privy to... because if not.... COME ON PEOPLE!
Sure, it´s all intentional (;
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On August 13 2012 08:47 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 08:41 ohampatu wrote:On August 13 2012 08:39 Hall0wed wrote:On August 13 2012 08:36 ohampatu wrote:On August 13 2012 08:35 Hall0wed wrote:
What a poor tournament Taeja decided to not win. Well atleast the biggest threat to Squirtle is gone now. how is it a poor tournament because Taeja did 2 ForGG builds and lost the series? the tourney is awesome so far First getting an upset. Recco getting an upset. Major getting an upset (to some) You obviously did not understand my post in the slightest. maybe im reading it incorrectly. you know sometimes instead of being a dick you could clarify what you mean I don't really get it either... haha. Can you elaborate? see he doesn't get it either Wow... English comprehension fail... What a poor (tournament Taeja decided not to win). Not What a (poor tournament) Taeja decided not to win. Since Taeja been winning everything, and the one he doesn't win happens to be TSL, thus it's a poor choice on Taeja's part to lose in this particular tournament.
More like English fail period. Both those "sentences" are terribly put together.
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dosey...he was making fun of him for saying loose, instead of lose
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On August 13 2012 08:41 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 08:39 Hall0wed wrote:On August 13 2012 08:36 ohampatu wrote:On August 13 2012 08:35 Hall0wed wrote:
What a poor tournament Taeja decided to not win. Well atleast the biggest threat to Squirtle is gone now. how is it a poor tournament because Taeja did 2 ForGG builds and lost the series? the tourney is awesome so far First getting an upset. Recco getting an upset. Major getting an upset (to some) You obviously did not understand my post in the slightest. I don't really get it either... haha. Can you elaborate?
He has been winning everything but here he decided to use some bad builds and I saw no reason for their use. Thats all.
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Can we please turn IM protss vs Taeja into a friendly rivalry thing?
I mean so far in the past few months we have Seed going 2-0 against him in gsl, then First losing to him 0-2 at mlg, then however you wanna score it from IPL and now First beating him 3-2 in TSL4. ( may have missed some other interactions will have to research)
We could use more amusing rivalries and aside from the odd all in they make TvP fun ^-^.
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On August 13 2012 08:52 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 08:49 bkrow wrote:As soon as i saw the bunker salvaging all i could think was "there is no reason to salvage right now" - there are very limited circumstances (if any) where that extra 75 minerals is so vitally important that you need to sacrifice your defense, particularly at that stage of the game Most Terrans pros are particularly reckless with Bunker salvaging.
One salvage = loss game I loved was kiwikaki vs demuslim a long time ago, kiwi was going for a funky chargelot timing with upgrades which arrived the second demuslim salvaged his bunkers needless to say demuslim got murdered.
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On August 13 2012 08:53 Snijjer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 08:47 ragz_gt wrote:On August 13 2012 08:41 ohampatu wrote:On August 13 2012 08:39 Hall0wed wrote:On August 13 2012 08:36 ohampatu wrote:On August 13 2012 08:35 Hall0wed wrote:
What a poor tournament Taeja decided to not win. Well atleast the biggest threat to Squirtle is gone now. how is it a poor tournament because Taeja did 2 ForGG builds and lost the series? the tourney is awesome so far First getting an upset. Recco getting an upset. Major getting an upset (to some) You obviously did not understand my post in the slightest. maybe im reading it incorrectly. you know sometimes instead of being a dick you could clarify what you mean I don't really get it either... haha. Can you elaborate? see he doesn't get it either Wow... English comprehension fail... What a poor (tournament Taeja decided not to win). Not What a (poor tournament) Taeja decided not to win. Since Taeja been winning everything, and the one he doesn't win happens to be TSL, thus it's a poor choice on Taeja's part to lose in this particular tournament. More like English fail period. Both those "sentences" are terribly put together.
Yeah... it's kind of hard to comprehend something that's incredibly difficult to comprehend due to poor composition... even after the explanation it doesn't make much sense to me, and this is coming from someone who people come to for editing and proofreading their writing.
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How did Coca lose by that much to that guy, what the hell, and Taeja wtf. They were like the only two guys that would actually make for a decent semifinal on that side of the bracket. =/
I should have just gone to bed instead of checking these results. -_-
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On August 13 2012 08:54 Hall0wed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 08:41 HolyArrow wrote:On August 13 2012 08:39 Hall0wed wrote:On August 13 2012 08:36 ohampatu wrote:On August 13 2012 08:35 Hall0wed wrote:
What a poor tournament Taeja decided to not win. Well atleast the biggest threat to Squirtle is gone now. how is it a poor tournament because Taeja did 2 ForGG builds and lost the series? the tourney is awesome so far First getting an upset. Recco getting an upset. Major getting an upset (to some) You obviously did not understand my post in the slightest. I don't really get it either... haha. Can you elaborate? He has been winning everything but here he decided to use some bad builds and I saw no reason for their use. Thats all.
Oh, I see. Yeah I agree, those raven builds were really questionable. Even in the Metropolis game, I think First could have taken it with better control during that first engagement.
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On August 13 2012 08:54 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 08:52 TheDwf wrote:On August 13 2012 08:49 bkrow wrote:As soon as i saw the bunker salvaging all i could think was "there is no reason to salvage right now" - there are very limited circumstances (if any) where that extra 75 minerals is so vitally important that you need to sacrifice your defense, particularly at that stage of the game Most Terrans pros are particularly reckless with Bunker salvaging. One salvage = loss game I loved was kiwikaki vs demuslim a long time ago, kiwi was going for a funky chargelot timing with upgrades which arrived the second demuslim salvaged his bunkers needless to say demuslim got murdered.
That was super painful, the biggest anti timing I've ever seen yeah.
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Sorry about the tech problems. We had a capture card fail before we started, then xsplit refused to pick up our inputs. Then our Internet connection died mid-way through the TaeJa / First series . Unfortunate set of circumstances that we couldn't really control. Hopefully things will run a lot smoother tomorrow.
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On August 13 2012 08:55 R1CH wrote:Sorry about the tech problems. We had a capture card fail before we started, then xsplit refused to pick up our inputs. Then our Internet connection died mid-way through the TaeJa / First series . Unfortunate set of circumstances that we couldn't really control. Hopefully things will run a lot smoother tomorrow.
No problem, tech issues are sadly inevitable in any tournament, it was only a few minutes of downtime so I'm just thankful that you got it back up and running so soon.
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Taeja cursing internet broadcasts.
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On August 13 2012 08:55 R1CH wrote:Sorry about the tech problems. We had a capture card fail before we started, then xsplit refused to pick up our inputs. Then our Internet connection died mid-way through the TaeJa / First series . Unfortunate set of circumstances that we couldn't really control. Hopefully things will run a lot smoother tomorrow.
Wax did a good PR job and we hope your magnificient thread will soon be bumped 
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On August 13 2012 08:55 MCDayC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 08:54 Fusilero wrote:On August 13 2012 08:52 TheDwf wrote:On August 13 2012 08:49 bkrow wrote:As soon as i saw the bunker salvaging all i could think was "there is no reason to salvage right now" - there are very limited circumstances (if any) where that extra 75 minerals is so vitally important that you need to sacrifice your defense, particularly at that stage of the game Most Terrans pros are particularly reckless with Bunker salvaging. One salvage = loss game I loved was kiwikaki vs demuslim a long time ago, kiwi was going for a funky chargelot timing with upgrades which arrived the second demuslim salvaged his bunkers needless to say demuslim got murdered. That was super painful, the biggest anti timing I've ever seen yeah.
Was that the game that keeps being referenced to in the IPLs biggest fails/anti timing videos? That was horrible.
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