When: Monday, Jul 23 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also rebroadcast repeatedly afterwards!)
Format
This double-elimination tournament features 24 teams from around the world and is an All-Kill team format. This match is being played for Losers Round 5. The first team to defeat everyone on the opposing team's roster (5 wins, or a best of 9), will move on in the Losers Bracket, while the loser will be eliminated entirely. Keep in mind that this has a $20,000 prize pool, and only six teams will make it to the money!
Lets go EG! It is going to be tough but I feel that can edge it out, especially if they take out Marineking early, but there is still byun and Creater :l
Prime not messing around with MKP first. Have to imagine they are going to save ByuN or Creator for the ace then....if they even need to.
I don't know that there's anyone on EG's roster that can beat MKP, although Thorzain and Puma have had reasonably good TvT historically. I don't fancy JYP's vT....so this could get bad.
So EG is playing Idra, Huk, JYP, Puma and ThorZain today. I can't see them sending out anyone else unless Huk refuses to play which he sometimes does. I just don't think that line-up can take out Prime's: MKP, Byun, Creator and probably Bboong and Maru although I wouldn't be totally surprised to see them bring in Salmosa or AriA.
Yeah, I'd give Prime an eighty to ninety percent chance here with a decent chance that MKP all kills since EG's zerg line up is its weakest and JYP's vT is still really bad.
IdrA is going to win vs MKP, then they will send creator, then EG will send DeMu, then Prime will send BboongBbong, then EG will send JYP, then Prime will send Maru, then Prime will send ByuN, then EG will send PuMa, and if PuMa fails they will send ThorZaIN - the king of preparation (:
On July 24 2012 03:07 NOOBALOPSE wrote: IdrA is going to win vs MKP, then they will send creator, then EG will send DeMu, then Prime will send BboongBbong, then EG will send JYP, then Prime will send Maru, then Prime will send ByuN, then EG will send PuMa, and if PuMa fails they will send ThorZaIN - the king of preparation (:
On July 24 2012 03:07 NOOBALOPSE wrote: IdrA is going to win vs MKP, then they will send creator, then EG will send DeMu, then Prime will send BboongBbong, then EG will send JYP, then Prime will send Maru, then Prime will send ByuN, then EG will send PuMa, and if PuMa fails they will send ThorZaIN - the king of preparation (:
EG 5:3/4 Prime
Anyone else?
You're obviously biased for EG since it's your favorite team. But there's just no way for demuslim to takeout creator. the other results, could happen, but hopefully for prime, it won't :p
if DeMusliM succeeds in taking out Creator, and IdrA succeeds in taking out MKP, which I think they will, then EG has an easy road ahead. Only BboongBboong (free win for JYP), Maru (i think JYP will take him out too, because JYP has been preparing for vT in code A) and ByuN, who is in right beside TaeJa for best Terran in the world. However, I think that ThorZaIN and PuMa's TvT is too gosu considering that he was practicing for WEEKS against non-terrans in the GSL.
On July 24 2012 03:07 NOOBALOPSE wrote: IdrA is going to win vs MKP, then they will send creator, then EG will send DeMu, then Prime will send BboongBbong, then EG will send JYP, then Prime will send Maru, then Prime will send ByuN, then EG will send PuMa, and if PuMa fails they will send ThorZaIN - the king of preparation (:
EG 5:3/4 Prime
Anyone else?
You're obviously biased for EG since it's your favorite team. But there's just no way for demuslim to takeout creator. the other results, could happen, but hopefully for prime, it won't :p
I think he can. DeMusliM is gosu man.
Quite honestly, your statement implies that Creator is kind of... in a way Prime's ace.
In a way I agree actually. He is right beside ByuN for ace.
On July 24 2012 03:07 NOOBALOPSE wrote: IdrA is going to win vs MKP, then they will send creator, then EG will send DeMu, then Prime will send BboongBbong, then EG will send JYP, then Prime will send Maru, then Prime will send ByuN, then EG will send PuMa, and if PuMa fails they will send ThorZaIN - the king of preparation (:
EG 5:3/4 Prime
Anyone else?
You're obviously biased for EG since it's your favorite team. But there's just no way for demuslim to takeout creator. the other results, could happen, but hopefully for prime, it won't :p
On July 24 2012 03:07 NOOBALOPSE wrote: IdrA is going to win vs MKP, then they will send creator, then EG will send DeMu, then Prime will send BboongBbong, then EG will send JYP, then Prime will send Maru, then Prime will send ByuN, then EG will send PuMa, and if PuMa fails they will send ThorZaIN - the king of preparation (:
EG 5:3/4 Prime
Anyone else?
You're obviously biased for EG since it's your favorite team. But there's just no way for demuslim to takeout creator. the other results, could happen, but hopefully for prime, it won't :p
On July 24 2012 03:07 NOOBALOPSE wrote: IdrA is going to win vs MKP, then they will send creator, then EG will send DeMu, then Prime will send BboongBbong, then EG will send JYP, then Prime will send Maru, then Prime will send ByuN, then EG will send PuMa, and if PuMa fails they will send ThorZaIN - the king of preparation (:
EG 5:3/4 Prime
Anyone else?
You're obviously biased for EG since it's your favorite team. But there's just no way for demuslim to takeout creator. the other results, could happen, but hopefully for prime, it won't :p
On July 24 2012 03:07 NOOBALOPSE wrote: IdrA is going to win vs MKP, then they will send creator, then EG will send DeMu, then Prime will send BboongBbong, then EG will send JYP, then Prime will send Maru, then Prime will send ByuN, then EG will send PuMa, and if PuMa fails they will send ThorZaIN - the king of preparation (:
EG 5:3/4 Prime
Anyone else?
^ this is how it is going to be
As much as I would like to see IdrA beat MKP, I just don't see it happening. MKP is on a whole different planet in terms of skill right now, even with the current trends in the matchup, I just don't see it happening. Maybe if the map is Atlantis or something stupid like that, he could pull it off.
EG has no player that should have the skill to take out creator. So anything might happen in this match, but in the end Creator will clean it up, if things go wrong for prime
On July 24 2012 02:50 aintz wrote: lol idra vs mkp, i wonder whos going to win.
Don't believe MKP has been showing well in Team Leagues aside from that all kill but since he's been fizzling if I remember right so it could go either way honestly.
On July 24 2012 03:07 Hyperiok wrote: Call me crazy but I honestly think IdrA will take out MKP, maybe the next guy as well, before losing.
Totally fucking crazy. I'd love to eat my words, but for now you've booked yourself a one way ticket to the dudes that wrote my 11th favorite song "Butterfly": Crazytown.
On July 24 2012 03:50 Kznn wrote: fuck spoilers TT
Indeed. -_-
Maybe these should be live casted.. or played on dummy accounts.. or something.. all hype instantly gone
They should use the cloaked maps or the ones that say both players lost
Problem is it would still be easy, just see if Idra or MKP played another IPL game immediately after. Only time it wouldn't be obvious is for the Ace match.
On July 24 2012 03:50 Kznn wrote: fuck spoilers TT
Indeed. -_-
Maybe these should be live casted.. or played on dummy accounts.. or something.. all hype instantly gone
They should use the cloaked maps or the ones that say both players lost
Problem is it would still be easy, just see if Idra or MKP played another IPL game immediately after. Only time it wouldn't be obvious is for the Ace match.
The Prime team doesnt have NA accounts for everyone so they share accounts but yea I guess that wouldnt really work
On July 24 2012 04:26 Kznn wrote: Funny how people pretend they don't know just to make a "big prediction" really people, cut the crap. we all know you guys know the results.
Yeah it's f'ing annoying, I got partially spoiled already by accident.
GJ to TL mods for deleting the obvious spoiler posts on this thread though. Tried to report it and it was gone before I could even submit.
Why can't people have some common decency? If you want to spoil yourselves fine, but the rest of us want to actually learn about the results when the games happen.
On July 24 2012 03:07 NOOBALOPSE wrote: IdrA is going to win vs MKP, then they will send creator, then EG will send DeMu, then Prime will send BboongBbong, then EG will send JYP, then Prime will send Maru, then Prime will send ByuN, then EG will send PuMa, and if PuMa fails they will send ThorZaIN - the king of preparation (:
On July 24 2012 03:50 Kznn wrote: fuck spoilers TT
Indeed. -_-
Maybe these should be live casted.. or played on dummy accounts.. or something.. all hype instantly gone
They should use the cloaked maps or the ones that say both players lost
Problem is it would still be easy, just see if Idra or MKP played another IPL game immediately after. Only time it wouldn't be obvious is for the Ace match.
The Prime team doesnt have NA accounts for everyone so they share accounts but yea I guess that wouldnt really work
teams should have a account named "Team Prime" "Team EG" "TeamLiquid" etc and then use just those acounts to play all team games. Those spoilers simply ruin the fun. They could also play aditional games to complete the 9 or whatever max games that can be possible played in those series.
On July 24 2012 03:50 Kznn wrote: fuck spoilers TT
Indeed. -_-
Maybe these should be live casted.. or played on dummy accounts.. or something.. all hype instantly gone
They should use the cloaked maps or the ones that say both players lost
Problem is it would still be easy, just see if Idra or MKP played another IPL game immediately after. Only time it wouldn't be obvious is for the Ace match.
The Prime team doesnt have NA accounts for everyone so they share accounts but yea I guess that wouldnt really work
teams should have a account named "Team Prime" "Team EG" "TeamLiquid" etc and then use just those acounts to play all team games. Those spoilers simply ruin the fun. They could also play aditional games to complete the 9 or whatever max games that can be possible played in those series.
Yea that could work. It would at least be a step in the right direction. If they used the cloak maps too they wouldnt even have to play out the extra games because I believe you cant even see game time. you would just have to space it enough out so you could see every game wasnt played like 1 minute apart on bnet
I've read a ton of stupid predictions here. If EG manages to win this it will be nothing short of a miracle. I love all of the EG players but there is no way in hell they are going to win.
Maybe I am misinformed, but MKP is primes best player is he not? I don't get why people are saying creator is their best, because clearly his isn't. MKP has won more tournaments and has received more prize money.
The only people on EG that have a chance at taking a game off any of primes players are JYP and Puma, the only koreans on EG.
On July 24 2012 04:32 SuperPro wrote: I've read a ton of stupid predictions here. If EG manages to win this it will be nothing short of a miracle. I love all of the EG players but there is no way in hell they are going to win.
Maybe I am misinformed, but MKP is primes best player is he not? I don't get why people are saying creator is their best, because clearly his isn't. MKP has won more tournaments and has received more prize money.
The only people on EG that have a chance at taking a game off any of primes players are JYP and Puma, the only koreans on EG.
MKP has fallen off. Their ace is probably ByuN or creator.The people who will take games off in my oppinion are actually IdrA, DeMusliM, JYP, and PuMa.
On July 24 2012 04:35 Kznn wrote: Or maybe is time to be a stupid fanboy and pretend to not know the results just to brag 40 pages latter "look, I'm fucking amazing at predictions."
Sorry guys, I'm just really upset about this. Its not the first time it happens and it seems that is not going to be the last one,
On July 24 2012 04:35 Kznn wrote: Or maybe is time to be a stupid fanboy and pretend to not know the results just to brag 40 pages latter "look, I'm fucking amazing at predictions."
Sorry guys, I'm just really upset about this. Its not the first time it happens and it seems that is not going to be the last one,
Hey man, you need to respect that guys skillz. I wish I could predict like him, he is a symbol of all that is awesome in my eyes.
On July 24 2012 04:49 NOOBALOPSE wrote: Lol I was wrong. There was a reddit thread which spoiled the results :/. No, I'm not linking it
Not only did you just admit to spoiling the results, but I noticed a post were you wanted to bet 500$ on the IdrA result when you already knew it. That is pretty cheap man....
On July 24 2012 05:05 Noocta wrote: I'm not sure about using MKP as a starter. He's not a good Ace either, but sending him middle match is the best thing to do Imo.
Use someone like Maru as starter. He's good enough to take out 1 or 2 people each time, but isn't a terrible player to lose without winning a game.
Yeah, I agree, EG can prepare much more easily knowing that MKP is first.
How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
By the way, MKP isn't the "ace" for Prime, he almost always crumbles as the fifth player, but if you send him out 1-3 he useally takes some kills, if not all kill or 3-4kill.
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
On July 24 2012 05:28 Hiea wrote: By the way, MKP isn't the "ace" for Prime, he almost always crumbles as the fifth player, but if you send him out 1-3 he useally takes some kills, if not all kill or 3-4kill.
We should just actually not talk about online IPL events at all. No LR thread, at least until broadcast has ended. Let the spoilers invade Reddit if they want...
On July 24 2012 05:28 Hiea wrote: By the way, MKP isn't the "ace" for Prime, he almost always crumbles as the fifth player, but if you send him out 1-3 he useally takes some kills, if not all kill or 3-4kill.
Yep, Creator is Prime's ace.
You mean Byun the guy who just got his SECOND Code S ro4. What has Creator ever done?
On July 24 2012 05:28 Hiea wrote: By the way, MKP isn't the "ace" for Prime, he almost always crumbles as the fifth player, but if you send him out 1-3 he useally takes some kills, if not all kill or 3-4kill.
Yep, Creator is Prime's ace.
You mean Byun the guy who just got his SECOND Code S ro4. What has Creator ever done?
Do you know what the meaning ace is? It's the player they rely on when everyone else went down.. ByuN is usually after MKP.
On July 24 2012 05:28 Hiea wrote: By the way, MKP isn't the "ace" for Prime, he almost always crumbles as the fifth player, but if you send him out 1-3 he useally takes some kills, if not all kill or 3-4kill.
Yep, Creator is Prime's ace.
You mean Byun the guy who just got his SECOND Code S ro4. What has Creator ever done?
Being the ace isn't about achievements, it's about winning ace matches. Creator has been probably the best ace in 2012.
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
On July 24 2012 05:28 Hiea wrote: By the way, MKP isn't the "ace" for Prime, he almost always crumbles as the fifth player, but if you send him out 1-3 he useally takes some kills, if not all kill or 3-4kill.
Yep, Creator is Prime's ace.
You mean Byun the guy who just got his SECOND Code S ro4. What has Creator ever done?
Do you know what the meaning ace is? It's the player they rely on when everyone else went down.. ByuN is usually after MKP.
Ace is the best player on the team. That's always been the real definition (see gom listing Nestea as the ace after the GSL he won without dropping a game even though he had never performed well in team leagues)
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Fuck, whatever it takes to get you back into winning things I'm okay with it, even if that means you shitting on my favourite player. The alternative of course is that MKP will continue placing well at events (oh who is that in OSL RO16!?) and you'll continue sucking at them, but truthfully I would prefer that you return to true boss-mode form. Release the Gracken.
On July 24 2012 05:28 Hiea wrote: By the way, MKP isn't the "ace" for Prime, he almost always crumbles as the fifth player, but if you send him out 1-3 he useally takes some kills, if not all kill or 3-4kill.
Yep, Creator is Prime's ace.
You mean Byun the guy who just got his SECOND Code S ro4. What has Creator ever done?
Do you know what the meaning ace is? It's the player they rely on when everyone else went down.. ByuN is usually after MKP.
Ace is the best player on the team. That's always been the real definition (see gom listing Nestea as the ace after the GSL he won without dropping a game even though he had never performed well in team leagues)
For the GSTL the team declares who the ace is, and GOM goes from that, it's not an arbitrary decision from GOM.
On July 24 2012 05:28 Hiea wrote: By the way, MKP isn't the "ace" for Prime, he almost always crumbles as the fifth player, but if you send him out 1-3 he useally takes some kills, if not all kill or 3-4kill.
Yep, Creator is Prime's ace.
You mean Byun the guy who just got his SECOND Code S ro4. What has Creator ever done?
Do you know what the meaning ace is? It's the player they rely on when everyone else went down.. ByuN is usually after MKP.
Ace is the best player on the team. That's always been the real definition (see gom listing Nestea as the ace after the GSL he won without dropping a game even though he had never performed well in team leagues)
For the GSTL the team declares who the ace is, and GOM goes from that, it's not an arbitrary decision from GOM.
I still say ace = best player on team over person who is sent out 5th. DRG is almost never sent out 5th but everyone calls him MVP's ace.
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
On July 24 2012 05:28 Hiea wrote: By the way, MKP isn't the "ace" for Prime, he almost always crumbles as the fifth player, but if you send him out 1-3 he useally takes some kills, if not all kill or 3-4kill.
Yep, Creator is Prime's ace.
You mean Byun the guy who just got his SECOND Code S ro4. What has Creator ever done?
Do you know what the meaning ace is? It's the player they rely on when everyone else went down.. ByuN is usually after MKP.
Ace is the best player on the team. That's always been the real definition (see gom listing Nestea as the ace after the GSL he won without dropping a game even though he had never performed well in team leagues)
For the GSTL the team declares who the ace is, and GOM goes from that, it's not an arbitrary decision from GOM.
I still say ace = best player on team over person who is sent out 5th. DRG is almost never sent out 5th but everyone calls him MVP's ace.
On July 24 2012 03:12 NOOBALOPSE wrote: Quote me on it.
if DeMusliM succeeds in taking out Creator, and IdrA succeeds in taking out MKP, which I think they will, then EG has an easy road ahead. Only BboongBboong (free win for JYP), Maru (i think JYP will take him out too, because JYP has been preparing for vT in code A) and ByuN, who is in right beside TaeJa for best Terran in the world. However, I think that ThorZaIN and PuMa's TvT is too gosu considering that he was practicing for WEEKS against non-terrans in the GSL.
I think that EG can take this.
I'm sorry but I don't see Thorzain or Puma beign strong enough to take out Byun...
Idra does have a chance of pulling the huge upset over MKP Seeing as MKP has been having some serious trouble vs Z lately. Demu is good, but he is not at Creator level of play.
EG can win if Idra pulls the upset and Prime sends out their 'weaker' players. But judging by the fact MKP is coming out first, Prime is taking this very seriously. 5-2 prime
On July 24 2012 05:28 Hiea wrote: By the way, MKP isn't the "ace" for Prime, he almost always crumbles as the fifth player, but if you send him out 1-3 he useally takes some kills, if not all kill or 3-4kill.
Yep, Creator is Prime's ace.
You mean Byun the guy who just got his SECOND Code S ro4. What has Creator ever done?
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Normally I refrain from stuff like this, seeing as I like when pro players take time to post here but...
If MKP is "Pretty fuckin bad" What does that make you? -.- when was the last time you made the finals of any big tournament, let alone won one....
Honestly, shitting on a player with 100000x the results you have is kind of idiotic. At least say why he is bad, otherwise you just come off as an ignorant ass. Which I know you aren't.
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Normally I refrain from stuff like this, seeing as I like when pro players take time to post here but...
If MKP is "Pretty fuckin bad" What does that make you? -.- when was the last time you made the finals of any big tournament, let alone won one....
Honestly, shitting on a player with 100000x the results you have is kind of idiotic. At least say why he is bad, otherwise you just come off as an ignorant ass. Which I know you aren't.
Idra is the new zerg bonjwa man. Don't question the gracken.
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Normally I refrain from stuff like this, seeing as I like when pro players take time to post here but...
If MKP is "Pretty fuckin bad" What does that make you? -.- when was the last time you made the finals of any big tournament, let alone won one....
Honestly, shitting on a player with 100000x the results you have is kind of idiotic. At least say why he is bad, otherwise you just come off as an ignorant ass. Which I know you aren't.
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Normally I refrain from stuff like this, seeing as I like when pro players take time to post here but...
If MKP is "Pretty fuckin bad" What does that make you? -.- when was the last time you made the finals of any big tournament, let alone won one....
Honestly, shitting on a player with 100000x the results you have is kind of idiotic. At least say why he is bad, otherwise you just come off as an ignorant ass. Which I know you aren't.
On December 25 2009 21:00 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On December 25 2009 20:59 IdrA wrote:
On December 25 2009 20:58 Nevuk wrote:
On December 25 2009 20:57 FireGuyX wrote:
On December 25 2009 20:56 meeple wrote: That was by far the best game of the night so far. Very well played by both players
Movie vs Zero is still game of the night imo.
No way. This was better in every respect except muta micro. That game was over after the first 9 minutes.
any game shine plays is over in 10 minutes
What?
shine's the epitome of the new generation of zergs that has 0 management skill and just coasts on muta control. if muta control or cheesy stuff, like sticking on 3 base vs 3 base in order to make a buttload of hydras, doesnt give him a game winning advantage he loses.
obviously wrong rofl
you dare question IDRA?! blasphemy
i think some people see idra's name and assume troll
although idra's right in this case
i rarely troll, most people just arent ready for the truth
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Normally I refrain from stuff like this, seeing as I like when pro players take time to post here but...
If MKP is "Pretty fuckin bad" What does that make you? -.- when was the last time you made the finals of any big tournament, let alone won one....
Honestly, shitting on a player with 100000x the results you have is kind of idiotic. At least say why he is bad, otherwise you just come off as an ignorant ass. Which I know you aren't.
He's just trolling, don't take the bait.
he also said that morrow wouldn't win anything as zerg and then he got 0-4ed by him so yeah
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Normally I refrain from stuff like this, seeing as I like when pro players take time to post here but...
If MKP is "Pretty fuckin bad" What does that make you? -.- when was the last time you made the finals of any big tournament, let alone won one....
Honestly, shitting on a player with 100000x the results you have is kind of idiotic. At least say why he is bad, otherwise you just come off as an ignorant ass. Which I know you aren't.
He's just trolling, don't take the bait.
he also said that morrow wouldn't win anything as zerg and then he got 0-4ed by him so yeah
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Normally I refrain from stuff like this, seeing as I like when pro players take time to post here but...
If MKP is "Pretty fuckin bad" What does that make you? -.- when was the last time you made the finals of any big tournament, let alone won one....
Honestly, shitting on a player with 100000x the results you have is kind of idiotic. At least say why he is bad, otherwise you just come off as an ignorant ass. Which I know you aren't.
He's just trolling, don't take the bait.
he also said that morrow wouldn't win anything as zerg and then he got 0-4ed by him so yeah
Morrow played Terran in that series and stop bringing up quotes from over a year ago.
I really really hope that EG can win, although I guess I should be happy if they can at least take some wins off of Prime. If Idra can somehow take out MKP then they might have a shot.
On July 24 2012 07:41 Sumahi wrote: I really really hope that EG can win, although I guess I should be happy if they can at least take some wins off of Prime. If Idra can somehow take out MKP then they might have a shot.
hahaha, so st goes up against eg and not prime next round? i think st can take out prime, prime is not doing nearly as well as they were earlier this year o.O
Mass ling bane is ridiculously good against pure bio, if MKP starts tank production it'll have to be after his 2nd or 3rd factory finishes. As long as IdrA defends drops he's in a good spot.
granted im not a progamer, but when facing this tankless bio style with a lot of medivacs, i always have 3-4 corruptors in my army... you'd be surprised how fast medivacs go down when fungaled
I feel it kinda removes the biggest strength with the bioball, that they outheal fungal
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
On July 24 2012 08:30 ninjamyst wrote: zerg is definitely OP if Idra can take them MKP but it seems like MKP not really playing seriously....
Right... he's not playing well, that's for sure. I guess X-server (if it's that?) could explain some of it due to his extremely control heavy style. Idra actually played fairly well except for the infestor control.
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
oooo bm dancing ultras. Maybe not the best control. but Idra played very patiently and solidly to win that game. Exactly what he needed to do to beat a player like MKP imo.
On July 24 2012 08:30 ninjamyst wrote: zerg is definitely OP if Idra can take them MKP but it seems like MKP not really playing seriously....
Why would he not play seriously? I could kinda understand this excuse if it was a showmatch, but now MKP is playing for his team. Loser goes out.
He was playing seriously but I still don't know why he insisted on fighting infester baneling ultra with pure bio(Even when his economy was still good...)
On July 24 2012 08:29 Wintex wrote: infestor baneling is the stupidest mix ever.
Not really against marine medivac. He can't even outdps those medivacs with just fungal
No I mean it's stupid that they allow guaranteed hits for amoving and casting a spell. Presplitting hurts you more than the zerg because the dps goes considerably down.
On July 24 2012 08:30 ninjamyst wrote: zerg is definitely OP if Idra can take them MKP but it seems like MKP not really playing seriously....
either way, something to consider is IdrA is a faster player with ~40 apm higher, when they just showed EPM
Lol, you don't know what you're talking about... MKP is one of the strongest mechanical players, IdrA is not. I would even call him quite slow (comparing them FPVOD to FPVOD for example).
Marineking has been insanely bad recently, not just here. ro16 code s, he got smashed completely. in WCS:korea qualifiers and also OSL qualifiers he got completely stomped.
On July 24 2012 08:30 ninjamyst wrote: zerg is definitely OP if Idra can take them MKP but it seems like MKP not really playing seriously....
either way, something to consider is IdrA is a faster player with ~40 apm higher, when they just showed EPM
Lol, you don't know what you're talking about... MKP is one of the strongest mechanical players, IdrA is not. I would even call him quite slow (comparing them FPVOD to FPVOD for example).
On July 24 2012 08:30 ninjamyst wrote: zerg is definitely OP if Idra can take them MKP but it seems like MKP not really playing seriously....
lol okay. Excuses Excuses. If the Zerg was DRG you would be praising how good he is.
it was a joke man...
If you attempt to make a joke on a forum, you're going to have a bad time. Sarcasm is pretty hard to detect via text you know. But moving on, awwwwwwww yeah Idra. Some fantastic macro that game. GG!
On July 24 2012 08:30 ninjamyst wrote: zerg is definitely OP if Idra can take them MKP but it seems like MKP not really playing seriously....
either way, something to consider is IdrA is a faster player with ~40 apm higher, when they just showed EPM
Lol, you don't know what you're talking about... MKP is one of the strongest mechanical players, IdrA is not. I would even call him quite slow (comparing them FPVOD to FPVOD for example).
MKP is slow to. I have seen his FPVOD and he isn't that fast.
On July 24 2012 08:34 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Terrans don't drop anymore Didn't deny any bases. Not sure why Idra was bming though. Maybe last year it would have made some sense
Well MKP does it to EVERYONE that he beats. Manner mules, dances units. So I think MKP deserves it, I wish every player did that to him since he does it to everyone.
On July 24 2012 08:34 Cinim wrote: Marineking has been insanely bad recently, not just here. ro16 code s, he got smashed completely. in WCS:korea qualifiers and also OSL qualifiers he got completely stomped.
Marineking, truly is horrible at the moment.
Same for MMA.
What the hell is going on?
(Well he just won Hero in Code A, but still in a slump)
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
On July 24 2012 08:30 ninjamyst wrote: zerg is definitely OP if Idra can take them MKP but it seems like MKP not really playing seriously....
either way, something to consider is IdrA is a faster player with ~40 apm higher, when they just showed EPM
Lol, you don't know what you're talking about... MKP is one of the strongest mechanical players, IdrA is not. I would even call him quite slow (comparing them FPVOD to FPVOD for example).
MKP is slow to. I have seen his FPVOD and he isn't that fast.
No, he is not, if he is, then Nestea is a snail and so are many other zergs.
On July 24 2012 08:33 Zambrah wrote: Jesus, Creator already? Are they scared of IdrA or are they expecting an all-kill from Creator? O_o
Prime have no reason to be scared of Idra lol
Considering IdrA just took out MKP, they might want to avoid the being too cocky, if Creator gets sniped or even loses to IdrA, EG could seriously beat Prime.
idra barely beating mkp on entombed cross positions at a time when zvt is extremely powerful and mkp is playing cross server means absolutely nothing to me. MKP > idra on lan.
On July 24 2012 08:30 ninjamyst wrote: zerg is definitely OP if Idra can take them MKP but it seems like MKP not really playing seriously....
either way, something to consider is IdrA is a faster player with ~40 apm higher, when they just showed EPM
Lol, you don't know what you're talking about... MKP is one of the strongest mechanical players, IdrA is not. I would even call him quite slow (comparing them FPVOD to FPVOD for example).
Mechanics =/= speed. IdrA mechanically has some of the best macro around.
On July 24 2012 08:06 Flonomenalz wrote: inb4 idra pulls a miracle win against MKP and TL forums explode with "idra still best foreigner"
come on grackeenn do it.
well... i called it.
guys don't get salty. MKP played FAR from his best, which isn't enough to beat a player of IdrA's caliber. This is not indicative of ZvT balance at all. MKP went for 2 rax aggression --> 3 CC, all of which was scouted and delayed substantially, thus basically giving Idra a free pass with infestors into hive tech. MKP made it look close, but it was never really close, game was over from the start.
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
On July 24 2012 08:34 Cinim wrote: Marineking has been insanely bad recently, not just here. ro16 code s, he got smashed completely. in WCS:korea qualifiers and also OSL qualifiers he got completely stomped.
Marineking, truly is horrible at the moment.
Same for MMA.
What the hell is going on?
(Well he just won Hero in Code A, but still in a slump)
On July 24 2012 08:36 stratmatt wrote: idra barely beating mkp on entombed cross positions at a time when zvt is extremely powerful and mkp is playing cross server means absolutely nothing to me. MKP > idra on lan.
On July 24 2012 08:30 ninjamyst wrote: zerg is definitely OP if Idra can take them MKP but it seems like MKP not really playing seriously....
either way, something to consider is IdrA is a faster player with ~40 apm higher, when they just showed EPM
Lol, you don't know what you're talking about... MKP is one of the strongest mechanical players, IdrA is not. I would even call him quite slow (comparing them FPVOD to FPVOD for example).
MKP is slow to. I have seen his FPVOD and he isn't that fast.
I suppose you're one of those zergs on ladder who go 1313131313 and call that fast. No, MKP is fast, DRG is fast, IdrA is slow.
And go compare their eAPM on SC2gears or APM in the game UI if you want. MKP is one of the players with the lowest redundancy (measuring relative "ineffective" APM if you will).
On July 24 2012 08:34 Cinim wrote: Marineking has been insanely bad recently, not just here. ro16 code s, he got smashed completely. in WCS:korea qualifiers and also OSL qualifiers he got completely stomped.
Marineking, truly is horrible at the moment.
Same for MMA.
What the hell is going on?
(Well he just won Hero in Code A, but still in a slump)
mindsets
also isn't EAPM bugged, and APM is actually the real EAPM
On July 24 2012 02:58 antilyon wrote: MKP will finally smash IdrA for all the trash talking.
On July 24 2012 05:40 IdrA wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:26 Denzil wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
On July 24 2012 08:34 Cinim wrote: Marineking has been insanely bad recently, not just here. ro16 code s, he got smashed completely. in WCS:korea qualifiers and also OSL qualifiers he got completely stomped.
Marineking, truly is horrible at the moment.
Wait what? He just went undefeated in the OSL? he beat Nestea and Yugioh.
On July 24 2012 02:58 antilyon wrote: MKP will finally smash IdrA for all the trash talking.
On July 24 2012 05:40 IdrA wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:26 Denzil wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
On July 24 2012 08:34 Cinim wrote: Marineking has been insanely bad recently, not just here. ro16 code s, he got smashed completely. in WCS:korea qualifiers and also OSL qualifiers he got completely stomped.
Marineking, truly is horrible at the moment.
He played quite well in code S and he just qualified as the first place in his group for the OSL.
On July 24 2012 08:34 Cinim wrote: Marineking has been insanely bad recently, not just here. ro16 code s, he got smashed completely. in WCS:korea qualifiers and also OSL qualifiers he got completely stomped.
Marineking, truly is horrible at the moment.
He still beat nestea and yugiho in the osl dual tournament today.
On July 24 2012 08:34 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Terrans don't drop anymore Didn't deny any bases. Not sure why Idra was bming though. Maybe last year it would have made some sense
MKP did drop IdrA fifth a few times, observer never showed it though...
On July 24 2012 02:58 antilyon wrote: MKP will finally smash IdrA for all the trash talking.
On July 24 2012 05:40 IdrA wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:26 Denzil wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
On July 24 2012 08:35 ThreeActPlay wrote: did you guys see idra's banelings go full retard in some of those engagements? it was like they lost track of where the marines were...
Looked like he was shift clicking some of them behind the armies tbh. Could have been terrible miss-clicking or might have been him anticipating marineking's kiting. I thought he was doing it on purpose tbh, it happened a lot and usually worked out.
On July 24 2012 02:58 antilyon wrote: MKP will finally smash IdrA for all the trash talking.
On July 24 2012 05:40 IdrA wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:26 Denzil wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
On July 24 2012 02:58 antilyon wrote: MKP will finally smash IdrA for all the trash talking.
On July 24 2012 05:40 IdrA wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:26 Denzil wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
Who said anything about proving anything? He made a jerk-statement and was proven wrong. Nothing more (or less) to it
On July 24 2012 02:58 antilyon wrote: MKP will finally smash IdrA for all the trash talking.
On July 24 2012 05:40 IdrA wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:26 Denzil wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
On July 24 2012 02:58 antilyon wrote: MKP will finally smash IdrA for all the trash talking.
On July 24 2012 05:40 IdrA wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:26 Denzil wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
Then maybe he should restrain from posting senseless bs untill the game is over. He made himself look like a fool, that is all.
Koreans are known to not do so great cross servers and online qualifiers (see TSL 3, 4). Idra still hasn't been able to get out of qualifiers on anything
On July 24 2012 08:30 ninjamyst wrote: zerg is definitely OP if Idra can take them MKP but it seems like MKP not really playing seriously....
either way, something to consider is IdrA is a faster player with ~40 apm higher, when they just showed EPM
Lol, you don't know what you're talking about... MKP is one of the strongest mechanical players, IdrA is not. I would even call him quite slow (comparing them FPVOD to FPVOD for example).
MKP is slow to. I have seen his FPVOD and he isn't that fast.
I suppose you're one of those zergs on ladder who go 1313131313 and call that fast. No, MKP is fast, DRG is fast, IdrA is slow.
And go compare their eAPM on SC2gears or APM in the game UI if you want. MKP is one of the players with the lowest redundancy (measuring relative "ineffective" APM if you will).
No just saying he's not that fast. Didn't say it like it was a bad thing so don't get all touchy over it. But people calling idra slow when MKP isn't much faster (if at all) was my point.
On July 24 2012 08:34 Cinim wrote: Marineking has been insanely bad recently, not just here. ro16 code s, he got smashed completely. in WCS:korea qualifiers and also OSL qualifiers he got completely stomped.
Marineking, truly is horrible at the moment.
Same for MMA.
What the hell is going on?
(Well he just won Hero in Code A, but still in a slump)
OSL qualifiers?
U do know that he just won his ODT group right?
He beat nestea and yugioh in best of 1's. Not the most amazing result
On July 24 2012 02:58 antilyon wrote: MKP will finally smash IdrA for all the trash talking.
On July 24 2012 05:40 IdrA wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:26 Denzil wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
it proves idra can beat a top 4 terran
Yes, he can also come last out of his groups in tournaments and get stomped by NA players while laddering.
On July 24 2012 08:36 stratmatt wrote: idra barely beating mkp on entombed cross positions at a time when zvt is extremely powerful and mkp is playing cross server means absolutely nothing to me. MKP > idra on lan.
Barely?
um yes. mkp 2 rax into 3 cc and then it took idra 30min to turn his advantage into a win. big whoop dude can macro and turtle till teir 3 against terran and tech switch between ultra and gglords.
On July 24 2012 02:58 antilyon wrote: MKP will finally smash IdrA for all the trash talking.
On July 24 2012 05:40 IdrA wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:26 Denzil wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
and if Idra lost you would have been talking about how MKP dominated him
On July 24 2012 02:58 antilyon wrote: MKP will finally smash IdrA for all the trash talking.
On July 24 2012 05:40 IdrA wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:26 Denzil wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
it proves idra can beat a top 4 terran
online, cross server, with lag. sure, he can beat a top 4 terran
On July 24 2012 08:34 Cinim wrote: Marineking has been insanely bad recently, not just here. ro16 code s, he got smashed completely. in WCS:korea qualifiers and also OSL qualifiers he got completely stomped.
Marineking, truly is horrible at the moment.
Same for MMA.
What the hell is going on?
(Well he just won Hero in Code A, but still in a slump)
On July 24 2012 02:58 antilyon wrote: MKP will finally smash IdrA for all the trash talking.
On July 24 2012 05:40 IdrA wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:26 Denzil wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
it proves idra can beat a top 4 terran
1) MKP isn't really a top 4 terran any more imo 2) its a bo1 3) its cross server
On July 24 2012 08:30 ninjamyst wrote: zerg is definitely OP if Idra can take them MKP but it seems like MKP not really playing seriously....
either way, something to consider is IdrA is a faster player with ~40 apm higher, when they just showed EPM
Lol, you don't know what you're talking about... MKP is one of the strongest mechanical players, IdrA is not. I would even call him quite slow (comparing them FPVOD to FPVOD for example).
MKP is slow to. I have seen his FPVOD and he isn't that fast.
I suppose you're one of those zergs on ladder who go 1313131313 and call that fast. No, MKP is fast, DRG is fast, IdrA is slow.
And go compare their eAPM on SC2gears or APM in the game UI if you want. MKP is one of the players with the lowest redundancy (measuring relative "ineffective" APM if you will).
No just saying he's not that fast. Didn't say it like it was a bad thing so don't get all touchy over it. But people calling idra slow when MKP isn't much faster (if at all) was my point.
Don't take it the wrong way.
Well, if people are calling MKP slow if IdrA is slow, then I would still stand by "IdrA slow" and admit that MKP is slow. That's how convinced I am that IdrA is slow. So yeah, I guess we don't disagree if I see it that way.
Yeah, IdrA talks shit about MKP whenever he gets chance in order to get on spotlight or because his standards about how a starcraft player should be is pretty terrible and I'm wrong for wishing him to lose.
On July 24 2012 08:30 ninjamyst wrote: zerg is definitely OP if Idra can take them MKP but it seems like MKP not really playing seriously....
either way, something to consider is IdrA is a faster player with ~40 apm higher, when they just showed EPM
Lol, you don't know what you're talking about... MKP is one of the strongest mechanical players, IdrA is not. I would even call him quite slow (comparing them FPVOD to FPVOD for example).
MKP is slow to. I have seen his FPVOD and he isn't that fast.
I suppose you're one of those zergs on ladder who go 1313131313 and call that fast. No, MKP is fast, DRG is fast, IdrA is slow.
And go compare their eAPM on SC2gears or APM in the game UI if you want. MKP is one of the players with the lowest redundancy (measuring relative "ineffective" APM if you will).
No just saying he's not that fast. Didn't say it like it was a bad thing so don't get all touchy over it. But people calling idra slow when MKP isn't much faster (if at all) was my point.
Don't take it the wrong way.
Fast or slow is kinda vague. Mouse wise MKP is one of the fastest player to micro etc, but keyboard wise he is probably slower than DRG, since he doesn't spam seeing his low redundancy. Hard to compare since they are playing two different races.
On July 24 2012 08:30 ninjamyst wrote: zerg is definitely OP if Idra can take them MKP but it seems like MKP not really playing seriously....
either way, something to consider is IdrA is a faster player with ~40 apm higher, when they just showed EPM
Lol, you don't know what you're talking about... MKP is one of the strongest mechanical players, IdrA is not. I would even call him quite slow (comparing them FPVOD to FPVOD for example).
MKP is slow to. I have seen his FPVOD and he isn't that fast.
I suppose you're one of those zergs on ladder who go 1313131313 and call that fast. No, MKP is fast, DRG is fast, IdrA is slow.
And go compare their eAPM on SC2gears or APM in the game UI if you want. MKP is one of the players with the lowest redundancy (measuring relative "ineffective" APM if you will).
No just saying he's not that fast. Didn't say it like it was a bad thing so don't get all touchy over it. But people calling idra slow when MKP isn't much faster (if at all) was my point.
Don't take it the wrong way.
Well, if people are calling MKP slow if IdrA is slow, then I would still stand by "IdrA slow" and admit that MKP is slow. That's how convinced I am that IdrA is slow. So yeah, I guess we don't disagree if I see it that way.
Neither is* slow, in fact, both have around 25% redundancy and 180-190 eAPM, they are quite fast, even though I feel like MKP is much faster because of his blazing unit control.
I'm so mad that IdrA won that game over MKP haha. Not because of balance or whatever, not because I like MKP, not because I dislike IdrA (because I kinda like him too, just not as much :D), not because I'm rooting for Prime and such.
Just because it will somehow give the most fanatic fanboys a reason to say that "Indeed, IdrA was right, MKP is really bad", whereas IdrA is just trolling the entire time. I get that he doens't like MKP's style, but that's probably about it.
On July 24 2012 08:36 stratmatt wrote: idra barely beating mkp on entombed cross positions at a time when zvt is extremely powerful and mkp is playing cross server means absolutely nothing to me. MKP > idra on lan.
Barely?
um yes. mkp 2 rax into 3 cc and then it took idra 30min to turn his advantage into a win. big whoop dude can macro and turtle till teir 3 against terran and tech switch between ultra and gglords.
It took him 30 minutes to safely take the win, he was not in danger at any point. He could have won earlier with better control but that's about it, playing more aggressively against 2rax into 3 orbitals can backfire hard, just like Symbol showed us against reality this morning.
On July 24 2012 08:48 ZenithM wrote: I'm so mad that IdrA won that game over MKP haha. Not because of balance or whatever, not because I like MKP, not because I dislike IdrA (because I kinda like him too, just not as much :D), not because I'm rooting for Prime and such.
Just because it will somehow give the most fanatic fanboys a reason to say that "Indeed, IdrA was right, MKP is really bad", whereas IdrA is just trolling the entire time. I get that he doens't like MKP's style, but that's probably about it.
Its not half as bad as all the idra hater's coming out and posting senseless crap though.
He should have had corruptors ready for when the greater spire finished. Or more macro hatches for more lings. Losing with that much money isn't a good thing.
On July 24 2012 08:49 Kreb wrote: Had Idra spent his 3k/1.5k on..... pretty much any kind of unit, he wouldve won.
Yup agreed. He made pure ling which I feel was a bad mistake imagine if he had made all of them roaches with ling support and his infestors he could have held.
On July 24 2012 08:36 stratmatt wrote: idra barely beating mkp on entombed cross positions at a time when zvt is extremely powerful and mkp is playing cross server means absolutely nothing to me. MKP > idra on lan.
Barely?
um yes. mkp 2 rax into 3 cc and then it took idra 30min to turn his advantage into a win. big whoop dude can macro and turtle till teir 3 against terran and tech switch between ultra and gglords.
On July 24 2012 02:58 antilyon wrote: MKP will finally smash IdrA for all the trash talking.
On July 24 2012 05:40 IdrA wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:26 Denzil wrote:
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
it proves idra can beat a top 4 terran
1) MKP isn't really a top 4 terran any more imo 2) its a bo1 3) its cross server
On July 24 2012 08:49 Kreb wrote: Had Idra spent his 3k/1.5k on..... pretty much any kind of unit, he wouldve won.
Yup agreed. He made pure ling which I feel was a bad mistake imagine if he had made all of them roaches with ling support and his infestors he could have held.
He was trying to save money for his brood lord transition, but realized the timing was too dangerous with Creator knocking on his front door.
well, that was bad against creator. very nice game against mkp, but this was awful. So many ressources saved up he could build like i dont know 10 ultras or something. I'm sad.
On July 24 2012 08:48 ZenithM wrote: I'm so mad that IdrA won that game over MKP haha. Not because of balance or whatever, not because I like MKP, not because I dislike IdrA (because I kinda like him too, just not as much :D), not because I'm rooting for Prime and such.
Just because it will somehow give the most fanatic fanboys a reason to say that "Indeed, IdrA was right, MKP is really bad", whereas IdrA is just trolling the entire time. I get that he doens't like MKP's style, but that's probably about it.
Its not half as bad as all the idra hater's coming out and posting senseless crap though.
Maybe I'm so biased I've turned a complete blind eye to it. but honestly besides like 2-3 posts I haven't really seen any Idra haters. for the most part it's people trying to put some perspective on it all, Idra is a decent player but because he beat MKP Does NOT 1)Instantly make him a better player 2)Make MKP a bad player...
On July 24 2012 08:49 Kreb wrote: Had Idra spent his 3k/1.5k on..... pretty much any kind of unit, he wouldve won.
Yup agreed. He made pure ling which I feel was a bad mistake imagine if he had made all of them roaches with ling support and his infestors he could have held.
He was trying to save money for his brood lord transition, but realized the timing was too dangerous with Creator knocking on his front door.
I know he was saving for broodlords. But when he saw that push and lost his army he should have just remaxed on roach/ling instead of pure ling. He just needed to kill that army and he would have been in a near unlosable situation.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
it proves idra can beat a top 4 terran
1) MKP isn't really a top 4 terran any more imo 2) its a bo1 3) its cross server
mkp is definitely a top 4 terran
Yeah, I actually would put him right in fourth place behind Byun, Taeja and Ryung atm.
On July 24 2012 08:49 Kreb wrote: Had Idra spent his 3k/1.5k on..... pretty much any kind of unit, he wouldve won.
Ya definitely but it was a weird situation where IdrA was saving for BL's but Creator pushed and he couldn't make any roaches as they would have been stomped by Creators army and zerglings were definitely the best choice in that situation. However, zerglings are so larvae expensive that he had no spare larvae to be able to spend his money. Good timing by Creator!
On July 24 2012 08:44 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: idra all-kills and the whole interweb goes down forever.
Idra was the best arguably the best foreigner on brood war. I don't understand why you just made such a dramatic comment.
Because we are clearly watching him play BW right now.
In other words, idra has the "potential" to be one of the greatest on sc2. So, it shouldn't be a surprise if he beats a couple top koreans.
Ah yes, the good old days when Incontrol, Machine, and WhiteRa were also considered some of the best foreigners.
Incontrol, Machine? not even close lmao!
Incontrol won 2007 WCG USA, 3rd Pan-American WCG in 2008, and 2nd in 2009.
But when it came to koreans they got dominated. Idra was actually recruited by a pro team and was on par with them as far as skill goes. Check his TSL 2 rep pack.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
it proves idra can beat a top 4 terran
1) MKP isn't really a top 4 terran any more imo 2) its a bo1 3) its cross server
mkp is definitely a top 4 terran
MVP, Teaja, Jjakji, DeMuslim... you see, I named 4better ones
On July 24 2012 08:44 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: idra all-kills and the whole interweb goes down forever.
Idra was the best arguably the best foreigner on brood war. I don't understand why you just made such a dramatic comment.
Because we are clearly watching him play BW right now.
In other words, idra has the "potential" to be one of the greatest on sc2. So, it shouldn't be a surprise if he beats a couple top koreans.
Ah yes, the good old days when Incontrol, Machine, and WhiteRa were also considered some of the best foreigners.
Incontrol, Machine? not even close lmao!
Incontrol won 2007 WCG USA, 3rd Pan-American WCG in 2008, and 2nd in 2009.
But when it came to koreans they got dominated. Idra was actually recruited by a pro team and was on par with them as far as skill goes. Check his TSL 2 rep pack.
He was a b-teamer who practiced 13 hours a day, never did anything, never had televised matches, and lost 5-2 to [F91].
On July 24 2012 08:49 Kreb wrote: Had Idra spent his 3k/1.5k on..... pretty much any kind of unit, he wouldve won.
Yup agreed. He made pure ling which I feel was a bad mistake imagine if he had made all of them roaches with ling support and his infestors he could have held.
He was trying to save money for his brood lord transition, but realized the timing was too dangerous with Creator knocking on his front door.
I know he was saving for broodlords. But when he saw that push and lost his army he should have just remaxed on roach/ling instead of pure ling. He just needed to kill that army and he would have been in a near unlosable situation.
Pure lings was the right choice for sure against immortal/stalker, the problem was he dident watch his larva.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
it proves idra can beat a top 4 terran
1) MKP isn't really a top 4 terran any more imo 2) its a bo1 3) its cross server
mkp is definitely a top 4 terran
MVP, Teaja, Jjakji, DeMuslim... you see, I named 4better ones
On July 24 2012 08:44 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: idra all-kills and the whole interweb goes down forever.
Idra was the best arguably the best foreigner on brood war. I don't understand why you just made such a dramatic comment.
Because we are clearly watching him play BW right now.
In other words, idra has the "potential" to be one of the greatest on sc2. So, it shouldn't be a surprise if he beats a couple top koreans.
Ah yes, the good old days when Incontrol, Machine, and WhiteRa were also considered some of the best foreigners.
Incontrol, Machine? not even close lmao!
Incontrol won 2007 WCG USA, 3rd Pan-American WCG in 2008, and 2nd in 2009.
But when it came to koreans they got dominated. Idra was actually recruited by a pro team and was on par with them as far as skill goes. Check his TSL 2 rep pack.
my favorite part of that rep pack was him losing to Leenock in a macro game, asking for a re, and cheesing him with mass cloaked wraiths.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
it proves idra can beat a top 4 terran
1) MKP isn't really a top 4 terran any more imo 2) its a bo1 3) its cross server
mkp is definitely a top 4 terran
MVP, Teaja, Jjakji, DeMuslim... you see, I named 4better ones
On July 24 2012 08:49 Musicus wrote: If Idra spent his money he could've won easily he could've had 10 broodlords even...
He couldn't spend it because he had no larva. On 6 hatches that shouldn't be the case, he must have missed a lot of injects.
Well he was making pure zergling. Making only lings you'd be surprised how quick you can go through them all. Or maybe you wouldn't be surprised, point still stands though.
On July 24 2012 08:48 ZenithM wrote: I'm so mad that IdrA won that game over MKP haha. Not because of balance or whatever, not because I like MKP, not because I dislike IdrA (because I kinda like him too, just not as much :D), not because I'm rooting for Prime and such.
Just because it will somehow give the most fanatic fanboys a reason to say that "Indeed, IdrA was right, MKP is really bad", whereas IdrA is just trolling the entire time. I get that he doens't like MKP's style, but that's probably about it.
Its not half as bad as all the idra hater's coming out and posting senseless crap though.
Maybe I'm so biased I've turned a complete blind eye to it. but honestly besides like 2-3 posts I haven't really seen any Idra haters. for the most part it's people trying to put some perspective on it all, Idra is a decent player but because he beat MKP Does NOT 1)Instantly make him a better player 2)Make MKP a bad player...
on reddit, about 95% of the posts that say anything remotely positive about idra have been downvoted. Example: "gogo Idra! <3" downvoted "i'm not gonna lie, i was 100% impressed with idras play. it's been a long time since i've felt that way too, and it feels good being an idra fan since the beta." downvoted
On July 24 2012 02:58 antilyon wrote: MKP will finally smash IdrA for all the trash talking.
On July 24 2012 05:40 IdrA wrote: [quote] well he is pretty fuckin bad
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
it proves idra can beat a top 4 terran
1) MKP isn't really a top 4 terran any more imo 2) its a bo1 3) its cross server
mkp is definitely a top 4 terran
MVP, Teaja, Jjakji, DeMuslim... you see, I named 4better ones
On July 24 2012 02:58 antilyon wrote: MKP will finally smash IdrA for all the trash talking.
On July 24 2012 05:40 IdrA wrote: [quote] well he is pretty fuckin bad
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
it proves idra can beat a top 4 terran
1) MKP isn't really a top 4 terran any more imo 2) its a bo1 3) its cross server
mkp is definitely a top 4 terran
MVP, Teaja, Jjakji, DeMuslim... you see, I named 4better ones
On July 24 2012 08:44 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: idra all-kills and the whole interweb goes down forever.
Idra was the best arguably the best foreigner on brood war. I don't understand why you just made such a dramatic comment.
Because we are clearly watching him play BW right now.
In other words, idra has the "potential" to be one of the greatest on sc2. So, it shouldn't be a surprise if he beats a couple top koreans.
Ah yes, the good old days when Incontrol, Machine, and WhiteRa were also considered some of the best foreigners.
Incontrol, Machine? not even close lmao!
Incontrol won 2007 WCG USA, 3rd Pan-American WCG in 2008, and 2nd in 2009.
But when it came to koreans they got dominated. Idra was actually recruited by a pro team and was on par with them as far as skill goes. Check his TSL 2 rep pack.
He was a b-teamer who practiced 13 hours a day, never did anything, never had televised matches, and lost 5-2 to [F91].
So, being a B-Teamer automatically didn't make him the best foreigner? That's such an ignorant statement. Right dude, like beating yellow 2-0 at Blizzcon 2008 wasn't a big deal?
On July 24 2012 08:48 ZenithM wrote: I'm so mad that IdrA won that game over MKP haha. Not because of balance or whatever, not because I like MKP, not because I dislike IdrA (because I kinda like him too, just not as much :D), not because I'm rooting for Prime and such.
Just because it will somehow give the most fanatic fanboys a reason to say that "Indeed, IdrA was right, MKP is really bad", whereas IdrA is just trolling the entire time. I get that he doens't like MKP's style, but that's probably about it.
Its not half as bad as all the idra hater's coming out and posting senseless crap though.
Maybe I'm so biased I've turned a complete blind eye to it. but honestly besides like 2-3 posts I haven't really seen any Idra haters. for the most part it's people trying to put some perspective on it all, Idra is a decent player but because he beat MKP Does NOT 1)Instantly make him a better player 2)Make MKP a bad player...
on reddit, about 95% of the posts that say anything remotely positive about idra have been downvoted. Example: "gogo Idra! <3" downvoted "i'm not gonna lie, i was 100% impressed with idras play. it's been a long time since i've felt that way too, and it feels good being an idra fan since the beta." downvoted
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
it proves idra can beat a top 4 terran
1) MKP isn't really a top 4 terran any more imo 2) its a bo1 3) its cross server
mkp is definitely a top 4 terran
MVP, Teaja, Jjakji, DeMuslim... you see, I named 4better ones
On July 24 2012 08:44 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: idra all-kills and the whole interweb goes down forever.
Idra was the best arguably the best foreigner on brood war. I don't understand why you just made such a dramatic comment.
Because we are clearly watching him play BW right now.
In other words, idra has the "potential" to be one of the greatest on sc2. So, it shouldn't be a surprise if he beats a couple top koreans.
Ah yes, the good old days when Incontrol, Machine, and WhiteRa were also considered some of the best foreigners.
Incontrol, Machine? not even close lmao!
Incontrol won 2007 WCG USA, 3rd Pan-American WCG in 2008, and 2nd in 2009.
But when it came to koreans they got dominated. Idra was actually recruited by a pro team and was on par with them as far as skill goes. Check his TSL 2 rep pack.
He was a b-teamer who practiced 13 hours a day, never did anything, never had televised matches, and lost 5-2 to [F91].
On July 24 2012 08:48 ZenithM wrote: I'm so mad that IdrA won that game over MKP haha. Not because of balance or whatever, not because I like MKP, not because I dislike IdrA (because I kinda like him too, just not as much :D), not because I'm rooting for Prime and such.
Just because it will somehow give the most fanatic fanboys a reason to say that "Indeed, IdrA was right, MKP is really bad", whereas IdrA is just trolling the entire time. I get that he doens't like MKP's style, but that's probably about it.
Its not half as bad as all the idra hater's coming out and posting senseless crap though.
Maybe I'm so biased I've turned a complete blind eye to it. but honestly besides like 2-3 posts I haven't really seen any Idra haters. for the most part it's people trying to put some perspective on it all, Idra is a decent player but because he beat MKP Does NOT 1)Instantly make him a better player 2)Make MKP a bad player...
on reddit, about 95% of the posts that say anything remotely positive about idra have been downvoted. Example: "gogo Idra! <3" downvoted "i'm not gonna lie, i was 100% impressed with idras play. it's been a long time since i've felt that way too, and it feels good being an idra fan since the beta." downvoted
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
it proves idra can beat a top 4 terran
1) MKP isn't really a top 4 terran any more imo 2) its a bo1 3) its cross server
mkp is definitely a top 4 terran
MVP, Teaja, Jjakji, DeMuslim... you see, I named 4better ones
I was kinda alright with your comment until I saw Demuslim's name. Are you serious? Can you tell what do you see in Demuslim that's better than MKP? I mean, I know MKP is not at his best but come on now... http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1589_DeMusliM/games Man I'm probably just getting trolled because you didn't even spell Taeja right but heh...
On July 24 2012 08:44 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: idra all-kills and the whole interweb goes down forever.
Idra was the best arguably the best foreigner on brood war. I don't understand why you just made such a dramatic comment.
Because we are clearly watching him play BW right now.
In other words, idra has the "potential" to be one of the greatest on sc2. So, it shouldn't be a surprise if he beats a couple top koreans.
Ah yes, the good old days when Incontrol, Machine, and WhiteRa were also considered some of the best foreigners.
Incontrol, Machine? not even close lmao!
Incontrol won 2007 WCG USA, 3rd Pan-American WCG in 2008, and 2nd in 2009.
But when it came to koreans they got dominated. Idra was actually recruited by a pro team and was on par with them as far as skill goes. Check his TSL 2 rep pack.
my favorite part of that rep pack was him losing to Leenock in a macro game, asking for a re, and cheesing him with mass cloaked wraiths.
Lmao, it's even funnier when you realize leenock was probably like 12 back then.
On July 24 2012 08:48 ZenithM wrote: I'm so mad that IdrA won that game over MKP haha. Not because of balance or whatever, not because I like MKP, not because I dislike IdrA (because I kinda like him too, just not as much :D), not because I'm rooting for Prime and such.
Just because it will somehow give the most fanatic fanboys a reason to say that "Indeed, IdrA was right, MKP is really bad", whereas IdrA is just trolling the entire time. I get that he doens't like MKP's style, but that's probably about it.
Its not half as bad as all the idra hater's coming out and posting senseless crap though.
Maybe I'm so biased I've turned a complete blind eye to it. but honestly besides like 2-3 posts I haven't really seen any Idra haters. for the most part it's people trying to put some perspective on it all, Idra is a decent player but because he beat MKP Does NOT 1)Instantly make him a better player 2)Make MKP a bad player...
on reddit, about 95% of the posts that say anything remotely positive about idra have been downvoted. Example: "gogo Idra! <3" downvoted "i'm not gonna lie, i was 100% impressed with idras play. it's been a long time since i've felt that way too, and it feels good being an idra fan since the beta." downvoted
On July 24 2012 08:44 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: idra all-kills and the whole interweb goes down forever.
Idra was the best arguably the best foreigner on brood war. I don't understand why you just made such a dramatic comment.
Because we are clearly watching him play BW right now.
In other words, idra has the "potential" to be one of the greatest on sc2. So, it shouldn't be a surprise if he beats a couple top koreans.
Ah yes, the good old days when Incontrol, Machine, and WhiteRa were also considered some of the best foreigners.
Incontrol, Machine? not even close lmao!
Incontrol won 2007 WCG USA, 3rd Pan-American WCG in 2008, and 2nd in 2009.
But when it came to koreans they got dominated. Idra was actually recruited by a pro team and was on par with them as far as skill goes. Check his TSL 2 rep pack.
He was a b-teamer who practiced 13 hours a day, never did anything, never had televised matches, and lost 5-2 to [F91].
he also tore apart the foreigner scene
Which again was primarily composed of excellent players such as Incontrol and Machine, with the rare Ret and Nony.
On July 24 2012 08:44 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: idra all-kills and the whole interweb goes down forever.
Idra was the best arguably the best foreigner on brood war. I don't understand why you just made such a dramatic comment.
Because we are clearly watching him play BW right now.
In other words, idra has the "potential" to be one of the greatest on sc2. So, it shouldn't be a surprise if he beats a couple top koreans.
Ah yes, the good old days when Incontrol, Machine, and WhiteRa were also considered some of the best foreigners.
Incontrol, Machine? not even close lmao!
Incontrol won 2007 WCG USA, 3rd Pan-American WCG in 2008, and 2nd in 2009.
But when it came to koreans they got dominated. Idra was actually recruited by a pro team and was on par with them as far as skill goes. Check his TSL 2 rep pack.
He was a b-teamer who practiced 13 hours a day, never did anything, never had televised matches, and lost 5-2 to [F91].
he also tore apart the foreigner scene
which wasn't even anything impressive at that time, since he was the only one playing the game fulltime and the game was just a hobby for all the other gamers.
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
it proves idra can beat a top 4 terran
1) MKP isn't really a top 4 terran any more imo 2) its a bo1 3) its cross server
mkp is definitely a top 4 terran
MVP, Teaja, Jjakji, DeMuslim... you see, I named 4better ones
Demuslim nowhere near MKP level.
This is the joke > - _ < and that is your head.
Nonono, that's not a joke Just wait and see... MKP<Idra<Creator<DeMuslim!
On July 24 2012 08:44 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: idra all-kills and the whole interweb goes down forever.
Idra was the best arguably the best foreigner on brood war. I don't understand why you just made such a dramatic comment.
Because we are clearly watching him play BW right now.
In other words, idra has the "potential" to be one of the greatest on sc2. So, it shouldn't be a surprise if he beats a couple top koreans.
Ah yes, the good old days when Incontrol, Machine, and WhiteRa were also considered some of the best foreigners.
Incontrol, Machine? not even close lmao!
Incontrol won 2007 WCG USA, 3rd Pan-American WCG in 2008, and 2nd in 2009.
But when it came to koreans they got dominated. Idra was actually recruited by a pro team and was on par with them as far as skill goes. Check his TSL 2 rep pack.
He was a b-teamer who practiced 13 hours a day, never did anything, never had televised matches, and lost 5-2 to [F91].
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
it proves idra can beat a top 4 terran
1) MKP isn't really a top 4 terran any more imo 2) its a bo1 3) its cross server
mkp is definitely a top 4 terran
MVP, Teaja, Jjakji, DeMuslim... you see, I named 4better ones
Idra was the best arguably the best foreigner on brood war. I don't understand why you just made such a dramatic comment.
Because we are clearly watching him play BW right now.
In other words, idra has the "potential" to be one of the greatest on sc2. So, it shouldn't be a surprise if he beats a couple top koreans.
Ah yes, the good old days when Incontrol, Machine, and WhiteRa were also considered some of the best foreigners.
Incontrol, Machine? not even close lmao!
Incontrol won 2007 WCG USA, 3rd Pan-American WCG in 2008, and 2nd in 2009.
But when it came to koreans they got dominated. Idra was actually recruited by a pro team and was on par with them as far as skill goes. Check his TSL 2 rep pack.
He was a b-teamer who practiced 13 hours a day, never did anything, never had televised matches, and lost 5-2 to [F91].
he also tore apart the foreigner scene
Which again was primarily composed of excellent players such as Incontrol and Machine, with the rare Ret and Nony.
weird question, but why is Nony in the category of rare players like Ret, isn't he much more of a Machine or Incontrol as someone good at BW but not SC2?
On July 24 2012 08:48 ZenithM wrote: I'm so mad that IdrA won that game over MKP haha. Not because of balance or whatever, not because I like MKP, not because I dislike IdrA (because I kinda like him too, just not as much :D), not because I'm rooting for Prime and such.
Just because it will somehow give the most fanatic fanboys a reason to say that "Indeed, IdrA was right, MKP is really bad", whereas IdrA is just trolling the entire time. I get that he doens't like MKP's style, but that's probably about it.
Its not half as bad as all the idra hater's coming out and posting senseless crap though.
Maybe I'm so biased I've turned a complete blind eye to it. but honestly besides like 2-3 posts I haven't really seen any Idra haters. for the most part it's people trying to put some perspective on it all, Idra is a decent player but because he beat MKP Does NOT 1)Instantly make him a better player 2)Make MKP a bad player...
on reddit, about 95% of the posts that say anything remotely positive about idra have been downvoted. Example: "gogo Idra! <3" downvoted "i'm not gonna lie, i was 100% impressed with idras play. it's been a long time since i've felt that way too, and it feels good being an idra fan since the beta." downvoted
reddit =/= TL?
"zerg is definitely OP if Idra can take them MKP but it seems like MKP not really playing seriously...." "lol idra vs mkp, i wonder whos going to win." "MKP will finally smash IdrA for all the trash talking." "How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still." "idra is still terrible"
On July 24 2012 08:47 Shadowpostin wrote: [quote] Because we are clearly watching him play BW right now.
In other words, idra has the "potential" to be one of the greatest on sc2. So, it shouldn't be a surprise if he beats a couple top koreans.
Ah yes, the good old days when Incontrol, Machine, and WhiteRa were also considered some of the best foreigners.
Incontrol, Machine? not even close lmao!
Incontrol won 2007 WCG USA, 3rd Pan-American WCG in 2008, and 2nd in 2009.
But when it came to koreans they got dominated. Idra was actually recruited by a pro team and was on par with them as far as skill goes. Check his TSL 2 rep pack.
He was a b-teamer who practiced 13 hours a day, never did anything, never had televised matches, and lost 5-2 to [F91].
he also tore apart the foreigner scene
Which again was primarily composed of excellent players such as Incontrol and Machine, with the rare Ret and Nony.
weird question, but why is Nony in the category of rare players like Ret, isn't he much more of a Machine or Incontrol as someone good at BW but not SC2?
On July 24 2012 08:49 Musicus wrote: If Idra spent his money he could've won easily he could've had 10 broodlords even...
He couldn't spend it because he had no larva. On 6 hatches that shouldn't be the case, he must have missed a lot of injects.
Well he was making pure zergling. Making only lings you'd be surprised how quick you can go through them all. Or maybe you wouldn't be surprised, point still stands though.
With 6 hatches you have 24 larva per round of injects and considering how long he waited for Broods on 160~ supply he should have been banking a lot of larva if he hit every inject. I flicked over to his stream the other day and noticed his injects were really lacklustre in the late-game (in that ZvP vs Stephano) so it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case here.
Jesus, Demuslim chill out on the Vikings, I thought he saw just that one Colossus? Or is he confident his ground army can beat Creator's without the Vikings and just wants to cover the Colossus switch?...
Idra was the best arguably the best foreigner on brood war. I don't understand why you just made such a dramatic comment.
Because we are clearly watching him play BW right now.
In other words, idra has the "potential" to be one of the greatest on sc2. So, it shouldn't be a surprise if he beats a couple top koreans.
Ah yes, the good old days when Incontrol, Machine, and WhiteRa were also considered some of the best foreigners.
Incontrol, Machine? not even close lmao!
Incontrol won 2007 WCG USA, 3rd Pan-American WCG in 2008, and 2nd in 2009.
But when it came to koreans they got dominated. Idra was actually recruited by a pro team and was on par with them as far as skill goes. Check his TSL 2 rep pack.
He was a b-teamer who practiced 13 hours a day, never did anything, never had televised matches, and lost 5-2 to [F91].
he also tore apart the foreigner scene
Which again was primarily composed of excellent players such as Incontrol and Machine, with the rare Ret and Nony.
Being the best tennis player in your county is impressive even if you're not even close to the best player in the country
On July 24 2012 08:47 Shadowpostin wrote: [quote] Because we are clearly watching him play BW right now.
In other words, idra has the "potential" to be one of the greatest on sc2. So, it shouldn't be a surprise if he beats a couple top koreans.
Ah yes, the good old days when Incontrol, Machine, and WhiteRa were also considered some of the best foreigners.
Incontrol, Machine? not even close lmao!
Incontrol won 2007 WCG USA, 3rd Pan-American WCG in 2008, and 2nd in 2009.
But when it came to koreans they got dominated. Idra was actually recruited by a pro team and was on par with them as far as skill goes. Check his TSL 2 rep pack.
He was a b-teamer who practiced 13 hours a day, never did anything, never had televised matches, and lost 5-2 to [F91].
he also tore apart the foreigner scene
Which again was primarily composed of excellent players such as Incontrol and Machine, with the rare Ret and Nony.
weird question, but why is Nony in the category of rare players like Ret, isn't he much more of a Machine or Incontrol as someone good at BW but not SC2?
no, he was talking about 2009/2010 foreign BW scene, in which Nony was good, but Machine and Incontrol were not that good.
On July 24 2012 08:47 Shadowpostin wrote: [quote] Because we are clearly watching him play BW right now.
In other words, idra has the "potential" to be one of the greatest on sc2. So, it shouldn't be a surprise if he beats a couple top koreans.
Ah yes, the good old days when Incontrol, Machine, and WhiteRa were also considered some of the best foreigners.
Incontrol, Machine? not even close lmao!
Incontrol won 2007 WCG USA, 3rd Pan-American WCG in 2008, and 2nd in 2009.
But when it came to koreans they got dominated. Idra was actually recruited by a pro team and was on par with them as far as skill goes. Check his TSL 2 rep pack.
He was a b-teamer who practiced 13 hours a day, never did anything, never had televised matches, and lost 5-2 to [F91].
he also tore apart the foreigner scene
Which again was primarily composed of excellent players such as Incontrol and Machine, with the rare Ret and Nony.
weird question, but why is Nony in the category of rare players like Ret, isn't he much more of a Machine or Incontrol as someone good at BW but not SC2?
I'm talking about purely based on BW skill, Ret and Nony were up there as best foreigners. Nony was probably better than all of them.
In other words, idra has the "potential" to be one of the greatest on sc2. So, it shouldn't be a surprise if he beats a couple top koreans.
Ah yes, the good old days when Incontrol, Machine, and WhiteRa were also considered some of the best foreigners.
Incontrol, Machine? not even close lmao!
Incontrol won 2007 WCG USA, 3rd Pan-American WCG in 2008, and 2nd in 2009.
But when it came to koreans they got dominated. Idra was actually recruited by a pro team and was on par with them as far as skill goes. Check his TSL 2 rep pack.
He was a b-teamer who practiced 13 hours a day, never did anything, never had televised matches, and lost 5-2 to [F91].
he also tore apart the foreigner scene
Which again was primarily composed of excellent players such as Incontrol and Machine, with the rare Ret and Nony.
weird question, but why is Nony in the category of rare players like Ret, isn't he much more of a Machine or Incontrol as someone good at BW but not SC2?
Nony wears a blue shirt rather than a black one.
Thats what I was thinking yeah, but I didn't want to say it outright.
On July 24 2012 08:47 Shadowpostin wrote: [quote] Because we are clearly watching him play BW right now.
In other words, idra has the "potential" to be one of the greatest on sc2. So, it shouldn't be a surprise if he beats a couple top koreans.
Ah yes, the good old days when Incontrol, Machine, and WhiteRa were also considered some of the best foreigners.
Incontrol, Machine? not even close lmao!
Incontrol won 2007 WCG USA, 3rd Pan-American WCG in 2008, and 2nd in 2009.
But when it came to koreans they got dominated. Idra was actually recruited by a pro team and was on par with them as far as skill goes. Check his TSL 2 rep pack.
He was a b-teamer who practiced 13 hours a day, never did anything, never had televised matches, and lost 5-2 to [F91].
he also tore apart the foreigner scene
Which again was primarily composed of excellent players such as Incontrol and Machine, with the rare Ret and Nony.
Being the best tennis player in your county is impressive even if you're not even close to the best player in the country
Except now they're in the global scene and bringing up that achievement in that setting is rather pointless
In other words, idra has the "potential" to be one of the greatest on sc2. So, it shouldn't be a surprise if he beats a couple top koreans.
Ah yes, the good old days when Incontrol, Machine, and WhiteRa were also considered some of the best foreigners.
Incontrol, Machine? not even close lmao!
Incontrol won 2007 WCG USA, 3rd Pan-American WCG in 2008, and 2nd in 2009.
But when it came to koreans they got dominated. Idra was actually recruited by a pro team and was on par with them as far as skill goes. Check his TSL 2 rep pack.
He was a b-teamer who practiced 13 hours a day, never did anything, never had televised matches, and lost 5-2 to [F91].
he also tore apart the foreigner scene
Which again was primarily composed of excellent players such as Incontrol and Machine, with the rare Ret and Nony.
weird question, but why is Nony in the category of rare players like Ret, isn't he much more of a Machine or Incontrol as someone good at BW but not SC2?
no, he was talking about 2009/2010 foreign BW scene, in which Nony was good, but Machine and Incontrol were not that good.
Well then the statement didn't really make too much sense, but okay.
On July 24 2012 08:47 Shadowpostin wrote: [quote] Because we are clearly watching him play BW right now.
In other words, idra has the "potential" to be one of the greatest on sc2. So, it shouldn't be a surprise if he beats a couple top koreans.
Ah yes, the good old days when Incontrol, Machine, and WhiteRa were also considered some of the best foreigners.
Incontrol, Machine? not even close lmao!
Incontrol won 2007 WCG USA, 3rd Pan-American WCG in 2008, and 2nd in 2009.
But when it came to koreans they got dominated. Idra was actually recruited by a pro team and was on par with them as far as skill goes. Check his TSL 2 rep pack.
He was a b-teamer who practiced 13 hours a day, never did anything, never had televised matches, and lost 5-2 to [F91].
he also tore apart the foreigner scene
Which again was primarily composed of excellent players such as Incontrol and Machine, with the rare Ret and Nony.
Being the best tennis player in your county is impressive even if you're not even close to the best player in the country
Not really. if you're the best tennis player in a country that consists of terrible tennis players... not exactly something to be proud of...
On July 24 2012 08:48 ZenithM wrote: I'm so mad that IdrA won that game over MKP haha. Not because of balance or whatever, not because I like MKP, not because I dislike IdrA (because I kinda like him too, just not as much :D), not because I'm rooting for Prime and such.
Just because it will somehow give the most fanatic fanboys a reason to say that "Indeed, IdrA was right, MKP is really bad", whereas IdrA is just trolling the entire time. I get that he doens't like MKP's style, but that's probably about it.
Its not half as bad as all the idra hater's coming out and posting senseless crap though.
Maybe I'm so biased I've turned a complete blind eye to it. but honestly besides like 2-3 posts I haven't really seen any Idra haters. for the most part it's people trying to put some perspective on it all, Idra is a decent player but because he beat MKP Does NOT 1)Instantly make him a better player 2)Make MKP a bad player...
on reddit, about 95% of the posts that say anything remotely positive about idra have been downvoted. Example: "gogo Idra! <3" downvoted "i'm not gonna lie, i was 100% impressed with idras play. it's been a long time since i've felt that way too, and it feels good being an idra fan since the beta." downvoted
??? Reddit loves Idra. Everytime he wins, there is a front page thread about it. Check it right now, there's tons of positive comments.
Ah yes, the good old days when Incontrol, Machine, and WhiteRa were also considered some of the best foreigners.
Incontrol, Machine? not even close lmao!
Incontrol won 2007 WCG USA, 3rd Pan-American WCG in 2008, and 2nd in 2009.
But when it came to koreans they got dominated. Idra was actually recruited by a pro team and was on par with them as far as skill goes. Check his TSL 2 rep pack.
He was a b-teamer who practiced 13 hours a day, never did anything, never had televised matches, and lost 5-2 to [F91].
he also tore apart the foreigner scene
Which again was primarily composed of excellent players such as Incontrol and Machine, with the rare Ret and Nony.
weird question, but why is Nony in the category of rare players like Ret, isn't he much more of a Machine or Incontrol as someone good at BW but not SC2?
Nony wears a blue shirt rather than a black one.
Thats what I was thinking yeah, but I didn't want to say it outright.
Oh, is this me supposedly being an EG hater and TL fanboy? I don't like TL especially, you'll never find a post of mine rooting for them though I like Ret a bit. I like Incontrol more than any TL member and I like IdrA's casting and I like him as a person. I'm just saying, Ret and Nony were also considered the best foreigners in a time there were like a dozen foreigners to compete with IdrA, in response to someone saying that IdrA was one of the best foreigners so that gives him the potential to be the best in the world. The only reason my post might not make sense to you is because you're considering my posts in isolation for some reason.
Anyway, in regard to this game...Creator seems to be in control.
Incontrol won 2007 WCG USA, 3rd Pan-American WCG in 2008, and 2nd in 2009.
But when it came to koreans they got dominated. Idra was actually recruited by a pro team and was on par with them as far as skill goes. Check his TSL 2 rep pack.
He was a b-teamer who practiced 13 hours a day, never did anything, never had televised matches, and lost 5-2 to [F91].
he also tore apart the foreigner scene
Which again was primarily composed of excellent players such as Incontrol and Machine, with the rare Ret and Nony.
weird question, but why is Nony in the category of rare players like Ret, isn't he much more of a Machine or Incontrol as someone good at BW but not SC2?
Nony wears a blue shirt rather than a black one.
Thats what I was thinking yeah, but I didn't want to say it outright.
Oh, is this me supposedly being an EG hater and TL fanboy? I don't like TL especially, you'll never find a post of mine rooting for them though I like Ret a bit. I like Incontrol more than any TL member and I like IdrA's casting and I like him as a person. I'm just saying, Ret and Nony were also considered the best foreigners in a time there were like a dozen foreigners to compete with IdrA, in response to someone saying that IdrA was one of the best foreigners so that gives him the potential to be the best in the world.
Ah, okay, that makes sense. I'm just so used to the other thing I over reacted, apologies
On July 24 2012 09:04 Zambrah wrote: I would cream my pants if Demuslim makes Ravens and uses walls of Turrets to prevent the Chargelots from attacking.
Sigh... in my dreams. In my dreams.
That's like completly undoable, because you can't place the turret if a unit is there, and with how the targetting of the spell work, you don't have enough time before they charge you. :p
On July 24 2012 08:49 Musicus wrote: If Idra spent his money he could've won easily he could've had 10 broodlords even...
He couldn't spend it because he had no larva. On 6 hatches that shouldn't be the case, he must have missed a lot of injects.
Well he was making pure zergling. Making only lings you'd be surprised how quick you can go through them all. Or maybe you wouldn't be surprised, point still stands though.
With 6 hatches you have 24 larva per round of injects and considering how long he waited for Broods on 160~ supply he should have been banking a lot of larva if he hit every inject. I flicked over to his stream the other day and noticed his injects were really lacklustre in the late-game (in that ZvP vs Stephano) so it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case here.
24 larva is only 48 lings. And hatcheries are capped at how many larvae you can have on each. Capped at 16 or 19 or something. I'm not saying his injects were great, he might have been missing them like you say. But he did throw a LOT of lings at that army in waves. You really can burn through several hatcheries full of larvae super fast making just lings.
On July 24 2012 09:04 Zambrah wrote: I would cream my pants if Demuslim makes Ravens and uses walls of Turrets to prevent the Chargelots from attacking.
Sigh... in my dreams. In my dreams.
That's like completly undoable, because you can't place the turret if a unit is there, and with how the targetting of the spell work, you don't have enough time before they charge you. :p
I'm talkin' perfect timing, you move up to engage and have the turrets drop immediately and just... oh god, I can feel the tingling in my pants.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
it proves idra can beat a top 4 terran
1) MKP isn't really a top 4 terran any more imo 2) its a bo1 3) its cross server
mkp is definitely a top 4 terran
MVP, Teaja, Jjakji, DeMuslim... you see, I named 4better ones
On July 24 2012 09:04 Zambrah wrote: I would cream my pants if Demuslim makes Ravens and uses walls of Turrets to prevent the Chargelots from attacking.
Sigh... in my dreams. In my dreams.
That's like completly undoable, because you can't place the turret if a unit is there, and with how the targetting of the spell work, you don't have enough time before they charge you. :p
You can use Mules as forcefields like MMA did against Stephano back at IPL 4.
On July 24 2012 02:58 antilyon wrote: MKP will finally smash IdrA for all the trash talking.
On July 24 2012 05:40 IdrA wrote: [quote] well he is pretty fuckin bad
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
it proves idra can beat a top 4 terran
1) MKP isn't really a top 4 terran any more imo 2) its a bo1 3) its cross server
mkp is definitely a top 4 terran
MVP, Teaja, Jjakji, DeMuslim... you see, I named 4better ones
Just to to remind you
Sick call! How did you even do it?? Such a good prediction omg...
On July 24 2012 09:06 Cramsy wrote: Yeah Demuslim waited too long. Totally over
Quite the opposite...Demuslim won the game by waiting. Creator maxed with way too many chargelots because he expected Demuslim to move out, but Demuslim patiently got mass ghosts and sniped all the obs at the start of the fight.
On July 24 2012 02:58 antilyon wrote: MKP will finally smash IdrA for all the trash talking.
On July 24 2012 05:40 IdrA wrote: [quote] well he is pretty fuckin bad
Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
it proves idra can beat a top 4 terran
1) MKP isn't really a top 4 terran any more imo 2) its a bo1 3) its cross server
mkp is definitely a top 4 terran
MVP, Teaja, Jjakji, DeMuslim... you see, I named 4better ones
Just to to remind you
I have always been a fan of Demuslim, but seriously, stop trolling.
At that stage if Terran gets to the mass ghosts (15 or so) with some MMM and vikings and Creator only had one colo and has mainly archon/chargelot that is always a onesided stomp for the terran, i dont understand why everyone is so surprised. Demuslim controlled it really really well but Creators army comp was absolute rubbish vs Demuslims. Blanket EMP and stim + a-move = Terran win
On July 24 2012 02:58 antilyon wrote: MKP will finally smash IdrA for all the trash talking.
On July 24 2012 05:40 IdrA wrote: [quote] well he is pretty fuckin bad
Demuslim and Jakji aren't better then MKP. You could have atleast said Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
it proves idra can beat a top 4 terran
1) MKP isn't really a top 4 terran any more imo 2) its a bo1 3) its cross server
mkp is definitely a top 4 terran
MVP, Teaja, Jjakji, DeMuslim... you see, I named 4better ones
Just to to remind you
How can you possibly list Demuslim and Jjakji above MKP?
On July 24 2012 09:10 fastr wrote: Can someone with more knowledge than I have confirm that Demuslim played Thorzain TvP style? remaxing on full ghost seems like the future of tvp
remaxing on full ghosts doesn't always work. It works wonder if protoss keep making zealots and archons, but as soon as he stop those production and go full stalkers, then you have a bunch of nearly dead weight ghosts.
but your dead either way if your HT get caught in emps, better spread or hide those better (WP)
On July 24 2012 08:49 Musicus wrote: If Idra spent his money he could've won easily he could've had 10 broodlords even...
He couldn't spend it because he had no larva. On 6 hatches that shouldn't be the case, he must have missed a lot of injects.
Well he was making pure zergling. Making only lings you'd be surprised how quick you can go through them all. Or maybe you wouldn't be surprised, point still stands though.
With 6 hatches you have 24 larva per round of injects and considering how long he waited for Broods on 160~ supply he should have been banking a lot of larva if he hit every inject. I flicked over to his stream the other day and noticed his injects were really lacklustre in the late-game (in that ZvP vs Stephano) so it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case here.
24 larva is only 48 lings. And hatcheries are capped at how many larvae you can have on each. Capped at 16 or 19 or something. I'm not saying his injects were great, he might have been missing them like you say. But he did throw a LOT of lings at that army in waves. You really can burn through several hatcheries full of larvae super fast making just lings.
I did notice he missed at least one full round of injects (25 energy) on his main, nat and macro hatch (3 of his 4 hatches) by around 100 supply, 12 larvae at that point is really a big deal
Atlantis Zergship - Oh well Demu, you did well vs Creator! Would like to point out that 2 months ago, Demu's TvP was godawful, he does well at fixing matchups, but I feel like he's never had all 3 strong at one time. His TvZ is suffering at the moment (as is most terrans) but if he could get all 3 together at once, he could definately make a push for best foreigner Terran.
Demuslim and Jakji aren't better then MKP. You could have atleast said Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
it proves idra can beat a top 4 terran
1) MKP isn't really a top 4 terran any more imo 2) its a bo1 3) its cross server
mkp is definitely a top 4 terran
MVP, Teaja, Jjakji, DeMuslim... you see, I named 4better ones
Just to to remind you
How can you possibly list Demuslim and Jjakji above MKP?
I have no idea, I'm the biggest Demuslim fan here and I think saying he's better than MKP is ridiculous.
On July 24 2012 09:10 fastr wrote: Can someone with more knowledge than I have confirm that Demuslim played Thorzain TvP style? remaxing on full ghost seems like the future of tvp
remaxing on full ghosts doesn't always work. It works wonder if protoss keep making zealots and archons, but as soon as he stop those production and go full stalkers, then you have a bunch of nearly dead weight ghosts.
On July 24 2012 09:15 Savern101 wrote: Atlantis Zergship - Oh well Demu, you did well vs Creator! Would like to point out that 2 months ago, Demu's TvP was godawful, he does well at fixing matchups, but I feel like he's never had all 3 strong at one time. His TvZ is suffering at the moment (as is most terrans) but if he could get all 3 together at once, he could definately make a push for best foreigner Terran.
On July 24 2012 08:36 antilyon wrote: [quote] Demuslim and Jakji aren't better then MKP. You could have atleast said Should I post 2012 Winrates or overall player results?
You choose IdrA fans.
haha, go ahead, you are still a hater who got proven wrong :D
A bo1 on cross servers doesn't exactly prove jack shit. It was well played by Idra I'm not saying it wasn't but LOL if you think this game proves anything about Idra vs MKP
it proves idra can beat a top 4 terran
1) MKP isn't really a top 4 terran any more imo 2) its a bo1 3) its cross server
mkp is definitely a top 4 terran
MVP, Teaja, Jjakji, DeMuslim... you see, I named 4better ones
Just to to remind you
How can you possibly list Demuslim and Jjakji above MKP?
I have no idea, I'm the biggest Demuslim fan here and I think saying he's better than MKP is ridiculous.
On July 24 2012 03:07 NOOBALOPSE wrote: IdrA is going to win vs MKP, then they will send creator, then EG will send DeMu, then Prime will send BboongBbong, then EG will send JYP, then Prime will send Maru, then Prime will send ByuN, then EG will send PuMa, and if PuMa fails they will send ThorZaIN - the king of preparation (:
On July 24 2012 03:07 NOOBALOPSE wrote: IdrA is going to win vs MKP, then they will send creator, then EG will send DeMu, then Prime will send BboongBbong, then EG will send JYP, then Prime will send Maru, then Prime will send ByuN, then EG will send PuMa, and if PuMa fails they will send ThorZaIN - the king of preparation (:
On July 24 2012 09:07 Noocta wrote: Protoss have like more than 20 gateway, it's over. Terran can't follow the flow of production against that.
The only possibility is Demuslim CRUSHING the fight.
On July 24 2012 09:06 Cramsy wrote: Yeah Demuslim waited too long. Totally over
On July 24 2012 09:03 Bagi wrote: Demuslim has waited too long, this is pretty much a gg.
Waiting for the excuses. How you all have such terrible collective memory of last fall beats me.
And Demuslim crushed the fight hard enough so that Creator wasn't able to hold to start rebuilding. I don't know why you're quoting my post.
If demuslim don't crush the fight hard ( like protoss losing 50 supply more overall atleast ) he's probably dead.
He was always going to crush the fight though. Creator had the worst unit composition of all time. He was never ahead because he maxed too soon on almost pure chargelots. Even without EMPs Demuslim would have won that fight.
On July 24 2012 09:10 fastr wrote: Can someone with more knowledge than I have confirm that Demuslim played Thorzain TvP style? remaxing on full ghost seems like the future of tvp
remaxing on full ghosts doesn't always work. It works wonder if protoss keep making zealots and archons, but as soon as he stop those production and go full stalkers, then you have a bunch of nearly dead weight ghosts.
Happy was the first terran to use a really ghost/viking heavy style to great effect vs Protoss with the sacrificing of SCV's to have a larger army. Im also pretty sure he beat creator using that style once in some sort of IPL game (Dunno if it was last season or in an IPL qualie or something)
On July 24 2012 03:07 NOOBALOPSE wrote: IdrA is going to win vs MKP, then they will send creator, then EG will send DeMu, then Prime will send BboongBbong, then EG will send JYP, then Prime will send Maru, then Prime will send ByuN, then EG will send PuMa, and if PuMa fails they will send ThorZaIN - the king of preparation (:
Why is there so much foreigner hate...? Can't we just watch the games. Not make hundreds of statements (which may or may not be true. But it doesn't matter?) and be more positive about what the eg guys are achieving so far?
On July 24 2012 09:07 Noocta wrote: Protoss have like more than 20 gateway, it's over. Terran can't follow the flow of production against that.
The only possibility is Demuslim CRUSHING the fight.
On July 24 2012 09:06 Cramsy wrote: Yeah Demuslim waited too long. Totally over
On July 24 2012 09:03 Bagi wrote: Demuslim has waited too long, this is pretty much a gg.
Waiting for the excuses. How you all have such terrible collective memory of last fall beats me.
And Demuslim crushed the fight hard enough so that Creator wasn't able to hold to start rebuilding. I don't know why you're quoting my post.
If demuslim don't crush the fight hard ( like protoss losing 50 supply more overall atleast ) he's probably dead.
He was always going to crush the fight though. Creator had the worst unit composition of all time. He was never ahead because he maxed too soon on almost pure chargelots. Even without EMPs Demuslim would have won that fight.
Yeah, his fourth was way too delayed for no reason. He was floating like 1000 minerals at one point with almost no gas.
On July 24 2012 09:15 Savern101 wrote: Atlantis Zergship - Oh well Demu, you did well vs Creator! Would like to point out that 2 months ago, Demu's TvP was godawful, he does well at fixing matchups, but I feel like he's never had all 3 strong at one time. His TvZ is suffering at the moment (as is most terrans) but if he could get all 3 together at once, he could definately make a push for best foreigner Terran.
Yup, he seems to pick basically one matchup to be good at at a time. Hopefully he can get all 3 up to par and start kicking some serious ass.
On July 24 2012 09:18 Talack wrote: Jesus MKP lost a Bo1 and now it's the end of the world haha
of course. now all the illogical statements (out of character, ill admit) by IdrA reaffirming his low opinion of mkp's skill, make sense to (~90% US SC2 fans). when they were never true.
because of this bo1.
im still glad idra seems in good shape. but doesn't mean his low opinion of mkp is justified. he shits on him for no reason, just like artosis did before mkp was demolishing everything.
In other words, idra has the "potential" to be one of the greatest on sc2. So, it shouldn't be a surprise if he beats a couple top koreans.
Ah yes, the good old days when Incontrol, Machine, and WhiteRa were also considered some of the best foreigners.
Incontrol, Machine? not even close lmao!
Incontrol won 2007 WCG USA, 3rd Pan-American WCG in 2008, and 2nd in 2009.
But when it came to koreans they got dominated. Idra was actually recruited by a pro team and was on par with them as far as skill goes. Check his TSL 2 rep pack.
He was a b-teamer who practiced 13 hours a day, never did anything, never had televised matches, and lost 5-2 to [F91].
he also tore apart the foreigner scene
Which again was primarily composed of excellent players such as Incontrol and Machine, with the rare Ret and Nony.
Being the best tennis player in your county is impressive even if you're not even close to the best player in the country
Not really. if you're the best tennis player in a country that consists of terrible tennis players... not exactly something to be proud of...
okay... "Being the best tennis player in your county is impressive even if you're not even close to the best player in the [United States of America]"
On July 24 2012 09:10 fastr wrote: Can someone with more knowledge than I have confirm that Demuslim played Thorzain TvP style? remaxing on full ghost seems like the future of tvp
remaxing on full ghosts doesn't always work. It works wonder if protoss keep making zealots and archons, but as soon as he stop those production and go full stalkers, then you have a bunch of nearly dead weight ghosts.
no. ghost does 6.7 dps to stalkers, and due to lack of aoe dmg you want huge and cheap firepower for terran like marine's 11 dps or marauder's 20 dps to armor + concussion.
ghosts are the best unit to have against zealots though, and can tank colossus shots decently. But if you can't mow through protoss forces fast enough you'll just die to the splash damage.
On July 24 2012 09:07 Noocta wrote: Protoss have like more than 20 gateway, it's over. Terran can't follow the flow of production against that.
The only possibility is Demuslim CRUSHING the fight.
On July 24 2012 09:06 Cramsy wrote: Yeah Demuslim waited too long. Totally over
On July 24 2012 09:03 Bagi wrote: Demuslim has waited too long, this is pretty much a gg.
Waiting for the excuses. How you all have such terrible collective memory of last fall beats me.
And Demuslim crushed the fight hard enough so that Creator wasn't able to hold to start rebuilding. I don't know why you're quoting my post.
If demuslim don't crush the fight hard ( like protoss losing 50 supply more overall atleast ) he's probably dead.
He was always going to crush the fight though. Creator had the worst unit composition of all time. He was never ahead because he maxed too soon on almost pure chargelots. Even without EMPs Demuslim would have won that fight.
Yeah, his fourth was way too delayed for no reason. He was floating like 1000 minerals at one point with almost no gas.
Are you talking about creator? His 4th was extremely early that game.
On July 24 2012 08:48 ZenithM wrote: I'm so mad that IdrA won that game over MKP haha. Not because of balance or whatever, not because I like MKP, not because I dislike IdrA (because I kinda like him too, just not as much :D), not because I'm rooting for Prime and such.
Just because it will somehow give the most fanatic fanboys a reason to say that "Indeed, IdrA was right, MKP is really bad", whereas IdrA is just trolling the entire time. I get that he doens't like MKP's style, but that's probably about it.
Its not half as bad as all the idra hater's coming out and posting senseless crap though.
Maybe I'm so biased I've turned a complete blind eye to it. but honestly besides like 2-3 posts I haven't really seen any Idra haters. for the most part it's people trying to put some perspective on it all, Idra is a decent player but because he beat MKP Does NOT 1)Instantly make him a better player 2)Make MKP a bad player...
on reddit, about 95% of the posts that say anything remotely positive about idra have been downvoted. Example: "gogo Idra! <3" downvoted "i'm not gonna lie, i was 100% impressed with idras play. it's been a long time since i've felt that way too, and it feels good being an idra fan since the beta." downvoted
Hello, welcome to TL
"zerg is definitely OP if Idra can take them MKP but it seems like MKP not really playing seriously...." "lol idra vs mkp, i wonder whos going to win." "MKP will finally smash IdrA for all the trash talking." "How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still." "idra is still terrible"
On July 24 2012 09:07 Noocta wrote: Protoss have like more than 20 gateway, it's over. Terran can't follow the flow of production against that.
The only possibility is Demuslim CRUSHING the fight.
On July 24 2012 09:06 Cramsy wrote: Yeah Demuslim waited too long. Totally over
On July 24 2012 09:03 Bagi wrote: Demuslim has waited too long, this is pretty much a gg.
Waiting for the excuses. How you all have such terrible collective memory of last fall beats me.
And Demuslim crushed the fight hard enough so that Creator wasn't able to hold to start rebuilding. I don't know why you're quoting my post.
If demuslim don't crush the fight hard ( like protoss losing 50 supply more overall atleast ) he's probably dead.
He was always going to crush the fight though. Creator had the worst unit composition of all time. He was never ahead because he maxed too soon on almost pure chargelots. Even without EMPs Demuslim would have won that fight.
Yeah, his fourth was way too delayed for no reason. He was floating like 1000 minerals at one point with almost no gas.
Are you talking about creator? His 4th was extremely early that game.
Not really, it could have been much earlier. There is no point having that many zealots besides floating a ton of minerals and not having enough gas. He should be able to see if Demuslim is moving across the map, which he never really did for a long time.
On July 24 2012 03:07 NOOBALOPSE wrote: IdrA is going to win vs MKP, then they will send creator, then EG will send DeMu, then Prime will send BboongBbong, then EG will send JYP, then Prime will send Maru, then Prime will send ByuN, then EG will send PuMa, and if PuMa fails they will send ThorZaIN - the king of preparation (:
EG 5:3/4 Prime
Anyone else?
EDIT: IdrA will finally show MKP whose baws (:
This guy is right so far. From the first page.
Clearly psychic right?
...Regardless of spoiling deushbags this is pretty fucking fantastic
On July 24 2012 09:07 Noocta wrote: Protoss have like more than 20 gateway, it's over. Terran can't follow the flow of production against that.
The only possibility is Demuslim CRUSHING the fight.
On July 24 2012 09:06 Cramsy wrote: Yeah Demuslim waited too long. Totally over
On July 24 2012 09:03 Bagi wrote: Demuslim has waited too long, this is pretty much a gg.
Waiting for the excuses. How you all have such terrible collective memory of last fall beats me.
And Demuslim crushed the fight hard enough so that Creator wasn't able to hold to start rebuilding. I don't know why you're quoting my post.
If demuslim don't crush the fight hard ( like protoss losing 50 supply more overall atleast ) he's probably dead.
He was always going to crush the fight though. Creator had the worst unit composition of all time. He was never ahead because he maxed too soon on almost pure chargelots. Even without EMPs Demuslim would have won that fight.
Yeah, his fourth was way too delayed for no reason. He was floating like 1000 minerals at one point with almost no gas.
Are you talking about creator? His 4th was extremely early that game.
Not really, it could have been much earlier. There is no point having that many zealots besides floating a ton of minerals and not having enough gas. He should be able to see if Demuslim is moving across the map, which he never really did for a long time.
??? What that was an extremely early 4th. and almost every protoss goes for tons of charge zealots! They are critical to tank and close the distance on stimmed kiting bio.
On July 24 2012 09:07 Noocta wrote: Protoss have like more than 20 gateway, it's over. Terran can't follow the flow of production against that.
The only possibility is Demuslim CRUSHING the fight.
On July 24 2012 09:06 Cramsy wrote: Yeah Demuslim waited too long. Totally over
On July 24 2012 09:03 Bagi wrote: Demuslim has waited too long, this is pretty much a gg.
Waiting for the excuses. How you all have such terrible collective memory of last fall beats me.
And Demuslim crushed the fight hard enough so that Creator wasn't able to hold to start rebuilding. I don't know why you're quoting my post.
If demuslim don't crush the fight hard ( like protoss losing 50 supply more overall atleast ) he's probably dead.
He was always going to crush the fight though. Creator had the worst unit composition of all time. He was never ahead because he maxed too soon on almost pure chargelots. Even without EMPs Demuslim would have won that fight.
Yeah, his fourth was way too delayed for no reason. He was floating like 1000 minerals at one point with almost no gas.
Are you talking about creator? His 4th was extremely early that game.
Not really, it could have been much earlier. There is no point having that many zealots besides floating a ton of minerals and not having enough gas. He should be able to see if Demuslim is moving across the map, which he never really did for a long time.
His 4th was quite early, pretty sure he was still mining happily from his main, so it's not like it significantly altered his income. I think his main and natural were getting dry about the time he took his 5th.
On July 24 2012 09:07 Noocta wrote: Protoss have like more than 20 gateway, it's over. Terran can't follow the flow of production against that.
The only possibility is Demuslim CRUSHING the fight.
On July 24 2012 09:06 Cramsy wrote: Yeah Demuslim waited too long. Totally over
On July 24 2012 09:03 Bagi wrote: Demuslim has waited too long, this is pretty much a gg.
Waiting for the excuses. How you all have such terrible collective memory of last fall beats me.
And Demuslim crushed the fight hard enough so that Creator wasn't able to hold to start rebuilding. I don't know why you're quoting my post.
If demuslim don't crush the fight hard ( like protoss losing 50 supply more overall atleast ) he's probably dead.
He was always going to crush the fight though. Creator had the worst unit composition of all time. He was never ahead because he maxed too soon on almost pure chargelots. Even without EMPs Demuslim would have won that fight.
Yeah, his fourth was way too delayed for no reason. He was floating like 1000 minerals at one point with almost no gas.
Are you talking about creator? His 4th was extremely early that game.
Not really, it could have been much earlier. There is no point having that many zealots besides floating a ton of minerals and not having enough gas. He should be able to see if Demuslim is moving across the map, which he never really did for a long time.
??? What that was an extremely early 4th. and almost every protoss goes for tons of charge zealots! They are critical to tank and close the distance on stimmed kiting bio.
Meh. Maybe he was just tying up too much gas with upgrades and other things but he was way too zealot heavy with not enough templar and other gas units IMO. I can't imagine a reason to have such an expensive upgrade as shields but having so few high templar and maxing out with so many zealots.
On July 24 2012 09:26 polyphonyEX wrote: Well, Incontrol stopped streaming before this so I can only assume EG is going to win.
The games were played a week ago.
He means that Incontrol doesn't want to take viewers away from EG's victory. I mean, come on man, EG's not gonna play Incontrol or Machine in such an important match.
I would like PuMa more as a TvT sniper, since his TvT is pretty boss. JYP probably would have been the better option here, since his vZ is pretty boss and they're likely to send out ByuN next, which is not someone you want to put JYP up against.
On July 24 2012 09:07 Noocta wrote: Protoss have like more than 20 gateway, it's over. Terran can't follow the flow of production against that.
The only possibility is Demuslim CRUSHING the fight.
On July 24 2012 09:06 Cramsy wrote: Yeah Demuslim waited too long. Totally over
On July 24 2012 09:03 Bagi wrote: Demuslim has waited too long, this is pretty much a gg.
Waiting for the excuses. How you all have such terrible collective memory of last fall beats me.
And Demuslim crushed the fight hard enough so that Creator wasn't able to hold to start rebuilding. I don't know why you're quoting my post.
If demuslim don't crush the fight hard ( like protoss losing 50 supply more overall atleast ) he's probably dead.
He was always going to crush the fight though. Creator had the worst unit composition of all time. He was never ahead because he maxed too soon on almost pure chargelots. Even without EMPs Demuslim would have won that fight.
Yeah, his fourth was way too delayed for no reason. He was floating like 1000 minerals at one point with almost no gas.
Are you talking about creator? His 4th was extremely early that game.
Not really, it could have been much earlier. There is no point having that many zealots besides floating a ton of minerals and not having enough gas. He should be able to see if Demuslim is moving across the map, which he never really did for a long time.
??? What that was an extremely early 4th. and almost every protoss goes for tons of charge zealots! They are critical to tank and close the distance on stimmed kiting bio.
Meh. Maybe he was just tying up too much gas with upgrades and other things but he was way too zealot heavy with not enough templar and other gas units IMO. I can't imagine a reason to have such an expensive upgrade as shields but having so few high templar and maxing out with so many zealots.
Maxing out very zealot heavy with good upgrades is gaining a lot of popularity. A mass of chargelots does surprisingly very well against bio, the problem was yes, instead of the shield upgrades he should of gotten a couple more templar and he waited to long. He gave Demuslim time get get like 10+ ghosts with that his zealot heavy army is a lot worse.
On July 24 2012 09:29 Noocta wrote: Game was way more fun to watch in mid to late 2011 to be honest, I don't really with Kevin with that.
Absolutely. TvT was insane, PvP was in a brief period of awesomeness where it wasn't 4gate or war of the worlds every game thanks to guys like Hero, PvZ the archon toilet was just starting to be SUCH a staple of it. TvZ actually was exciting the entire way along rather than now where it sees about as little action as early game PvZ. It was fantastic.
I have some faith tho, ZvZ is great now, though TvT is usually just Marine + Tank, PvZ we're starting to see carriers which is nice and PvP is starting to show signs of life beyond War of the Worlds
On July 24 2012 09:33 Zambrah wrote: I would like PuMa more as a TvT sniper, since his TvT is pretty boss. JYP probably would have been the better option here, since his vZ is pretty boss and they're likely to send out ByuN next, which is not someone you want to put JYP up against.
Wouldn't be a bad choice to send out Thorzain vs him tho.
On July 24 2012 09:33 Zambrah wrote: I would like PuMa more as a TvT sniper, since his TvT is pretty boss. JYP probably would have been the better option here, since his vZ is pretty boss and they're likely to send out ByuN next, which is not someone you want to put JYP up against.
Wouldn't be a bad choice to send out Thorzain vs him tho.
True, ThorZaIN is probably getting in good shape at the SlayerS house, but I really think its best to use JYP vZ when possible, sure hes snipable, but since EG took the first game they can afford to trade players, and since JYP will either bait a Terran or be very likely to take more than one game, its probably not hard to prepare a vT snipe, especially with PuMa.
On July 24 2012 09:36 m0ck wrote: What is with these move-outs?
Seems he's just going with timings but that got completely shut down by losing that early army to the lings. Such a late third and upgrades, B4 is definitely massively ahead.
On July 24 2012 09:29 Noocta wrote: Game was way more fun to watch in mid to late 2011 to be honest, I don't really with Kevin with that.
Absolutely. TvT was insane, PvP was in a brief period of awesomeness where it wasn't 4gate or war of the worlds every game thanks to guys like Hero, PvZ the archon toilet was just starting to be SUCH a staple of it. TvZ actually was exciting the entire way along rather than now where it sees about as little action as early game PvZ. It was fantastic.
I have some faith tho, ZvZ is great now, though TvT is usually just Marine + Tank, PvZ we're starting to see carriers which is nice and PvP is starting to show signs of life beyond War of the Worlds
Disagree, imo all matchups have improved (ZvZ the most) apart from ZvT arguably, thats the only shaky one. The problem is that Terran's are doing worse, and they have 2 of the best matchups, so everything looks worse when the actual individual games are getting better imo.
Strange choice to send out Puma vs B4, he's such a ZvT beast and thats Puma's worst matchup I think. Gonna be kinda difficult for EG to recover, hope they can though.
On July 24 2012 09:42 MCDayC wrote: Strange choice to send out Puma vs B4, he's such a ZvT beast and thats Puma's worst matchup I think. Gonna be kinda difficult for EG to recover, hope they can though.
If they lose I'm going to bang my head on the desk and mutter, "why not JYP, why not JYP"
On July 24 2012 09:44 WigglingSquid wrote: Out of curiosity, who in EG is taking the decision on which player to send out? They have no formal coach, right?
On July 24 2012 09:29 Noocta wrote: Game was way more fun to watch in mid to late 2011 to be honest, I don't really with Kevin with that.
Absolutely. TvT was insane, PvP was in a brief period of awesomeness where it wasn't 4gate or war of the worlds every game thanks to guys like Hero, PvZ the archon toilet was just starting to be SUCH a staple of it. TvZ actually was exciting the entire way along rather than now where it sees about as little action as early game PvZ. It was fantastic.
I have some faith tho, ZvZ is great now, though TvT is usually just Marine + Tank, PvZ we're starting to see carriers which is nice and PvP is starting to show signs of life beyond War of the Worlds
Disagree, imo all matchups have improved (ZvZ the most) apart from ZvT arguably, thats the only shaky one. The problem is that Terran's are doing worse, and they have 2 of the best matchups, so everything looks worse when the actual individual games are getting better imo.
The only time TvT wasn't predominately marine tank was before the BFH nerf where everyone went mech. And those games were miserable to watch. And back then PvZ may have not had the mothership as often but you rarely rarely saw non-2 base all ins.
Every single matchup has started getting longer and more intricate which I think is more interesting. Except PvP.
On July 24 2012 09:46 ZAiNs wrote: How did Creator lose to Demuslim?
Very passive game, Creator end up with too many zealots and not enough stalkers / colossi. Demuslim had a very ghost and marine heavy army, and roll him without losing much, not letting Creator insane amount of gateway kick in.
I agree with all of the comments here. I think EG made some bad strategic decisions by sending out two terrans in a row against bboong bboong (not counting DeMuslim). JYP has very solid PvZ, and even though he isn't great at PvT he would have had an OK chance against Byun or Maru.
What the fuck EG, now you send JYP when byun and maru two very strong TvPers will clearly be waiting in the wings, even the IM coach is watching this and going "WTF ARE YOU DOING".
On July 24 2012 09:50 Fusilero wrote: What the fuck EG, now you send JYP when byun and maru two very strong TvPers will clearly be waiting in the wings, even the IM coach is watching this and going "WTF ARE YOU DOING".
edit: i see, you meant why didnt they send jyp earlier
On July 24 2012 09:50 Fusilero wrote: What the fuck EG, now you send JYP when byun and maru two very strong TvPers will clearly be waiting in the wings, even the IM coach is watching this and going "WTF ARE YOU DOING".
On July 24 2012 09:29 Noocta wrote: Game was way more fun to watch in mid to late 2011 to be honest, I don't really with Kevin with that.
Absolutely. TvT was insane, PvP was in a brief period of awesomeness where it wasn't 4gate or war of the worlds every game thanks to guys like Hero, PvZ the archon toilet was just starting to be SUCH a staple of it. TvZ actually was exciting the entire way along rather than now where it sees about as little action as early game PvZ. It was fantastic.
I have some faith tho, ZvZ is great now, though TvT is usually just Marine + Tank, PvZ we're starting to see carriers which is nice and PvP is starting to show signs of life beyond War of the Worlds
Disagree, imo all matchups have improved (ZvZ the most) apart from ZvT arguably, thats the only shaky one. The problem is that Terran's are doing worse, and they have 2 of the best matchups, so everything looks worse when the actual individual games are getting better imo.
The only time TvT wasn't predominately marine tank was before the BFH nerf where everyone went mech. And those games were miserable to watch. And back then PvZ may have not had the mothership as often but you rarely rarely saw non-2 base all ins.
Every single matchup has started getting longer and more intricate which I think is more interesting. Except PvP.
Do you even watch Starcraft 2? PvP has been the mirror that has probably developed the most. It hasnt been 4gate vs 4gate for a long time, and I see more lategame PvP now more than ever!
On July 24 2012 09:50 Fusilero wrote: What the fuck EG, now you send JYP when byun and maru two very strong TvPers will clearly be waiting in the wings, even the IM coach is watching this and going "WTF ARE YOU DOING".
who else would they send...
The fact they sent JYP now instead of the two chances for EG to send puma and thorzain against maru and byun.
On July 24 2012 09:50 SeeKeR wrote: Guys I missed it.
What happened TZAIN vs BBoong?
Tal Darim Tzain goes for Double proxy barracks in center, gets scouted only makes one, B4 responds with speedlings, Tzain tries to expand with one bunker up front, lings get in and speed finishes, GG
On July 24 2012 09:50 Fusilero wrote: What the fuck EG, now you send JYP when byun and maru two very strong TvPers will clearly be waiting in the wings, even the IM coach is watching this and going "WTF ARE YOU DOING".
who else would they send...
He means they should have sent JYP earlier to snipe Bboong and then have two great TvTers left.
On July 24 2012 09:46 ZAiNs wrote: How did Creator lose to Demuslim?
faking demuslim out to make 8 vikings with a single non range coloss while going into zealot/archon/templar but then waiting until demuslim gets over 20 ghosts and dies to them.... he had quite the advantage in that game for a long time, but never really turned on the pressure onto demuslim which eventually got the perfect counter composition.... this game was quite the disappointment of the night so far, with creator playing so dumb.... -_-
Who's terrible idea was it to send two Terrans in to try and take out BboongBboong? Everyone knew he was going to smash them both, everyone but their coach I guess.
On July 24 2012 09:50 SeeKeR wrote: Guys I missed it.
What happened TZAIN vs BBoong?
thorzain tried to go proxy 2 rax in center of taldarim. bboongbboong scouted immediately by scouting cross position first. he responded by going pool first with gas and thorzain transitioned into 1 rax CC after getting two marines out. He tried to start a wall at his natural but lings got through and kept killing scvs and avoiding marines. Once speed finished, tzain had no marine production and just gg'd without a wall off at main or natural
On July 24 2012 09:50 Fusilero wrote: What the fuck EG, now you send JYP when byun and maru two very strong TvPers will clearly be waiting in the wings, even the IM coach is watching this and going "WTF ARE YOU DOING".
who else would they send...
The fact they sent JYP now instead of the two chances for EG to send puma and thorzain against maru and byun.
lol what's with JYP? He choses a good PvTand bad PvZ map against a Zerg with 2 more terrans very likely to follow? I don't get the choices made by EG at all.....
Why exactly did they feed Terrans to BboongBbong? ... They had JYP who is excellent in PvZ but not as strong in PvT. Now Prime is left with Maru/ByuN who are both very good TvP... -_-
On July 24 2012 09:29 Noocta wrote: Game was way more fun to watch in mid to late 2011 to be honest, I don't really with Kevin with that.
Absolutely. TvT was insane, PvP was in a brief period of awesomeness where it wasn't 4gate or war of the worlds every game thanks to guys like Hero, PvZ the archon toilet was just starting to be SUCH a staple of it. TvZ actually was exciting the entire way along rather than now where it sees about as little action as early game PvZ. It was fantastic.
I have some faith tho, ZvZ is great now, though TvT is usually just Marine + Tank, PvZ we're starting to see carriers which is nice and PvP is starting to show signs of life beyond War of the Worlds
Disagree, imo all matchups have improved (ZvZ the most) apart from ZvT arguably, thats the only shaky one. The problem is that Terran's are doing worse, and they have 2 of the best matchups, so everything looks worse when the actual individual games are getting better imo.
While I respect your opinion how can you say that TvT is better now than it was then? MVP vs Top, Boxer vs Rain (maybe a little passive but it was the prototype game for TvTs to come for a month or two), MVP vs MMA? Marines, Tanks, Vikings, Battlecruisers, Ravens, Hellions drops everywhere (thank goodness that hasn't changed). Now you get the drops but we've lost all the sky terran possibilities until HoTS with the battlecruiser speed boost thing.
On July 24 2012 09:54 TeeTS wrote: lol what's with JYP? He choses a good PvTand bad PvZ map against a Zerg with 2 more terrans very likely to follow? I don't get the choices made by EG at all.....
On July 24 2012 09:55 Type|NarutO wrote: Why exactly did they feed Terrans to BboongBbong? ... They had JYP who is excellent in PvZ but not as strong in PvT. Now Prime is left with Maru/ByuN who are both very good TvP... -_-
I have to assume they had specific builds for their Terran players maybe? I assume it because if no then, well they just aren't very smart... so I'l give them the benefit of the doubt and say it was planned snipes for those maps with Terran players!
On July 24 2012 09:54 TeeTS wrote: lol what's with JYP? He choses a good PvTand bad PvZ map against a Zerg with 2 more terrans very likely to follow? I don't get the choices made by EG at all.....
wow, never would've thought that, but I guess it's due to the fact that PvZ in korea is just a trainwreck for zergs atm. so getting to 46% on a map might be the best they can get.....
On July 24 2012 09:29 Noocta wrote: Game was way more fun to watch in mid to late 2011 to be honest, I don't really with Kevin with that.
Absolutely. TvT was insane, PvP was in a brief period of awesomeness where it wasn't 4gate or war of the worlds every game thanks to guys like Hero, PvZ the archon toilet was just starting to be SUCH a staple of it. TvZ actually was exciting the entire way along rather than now where it sees about as little action as early game PvZ. It was fantastic.
I have some faith tho, ZvZ is great now, though TvT is usually just Marine + Tank, PvZ we're starting to see carriers which is nice and PvP is starting to show signs of life beyond War of the Worlds
Disagree, imo all matchups have improved (ZvZ the most) apart from ZvT arguably, thats the only shaky one. The problem is that Terran's are doing worse, and they have 2 of the best matchups, so everything looks worse when the actual individual games are getting better imo.
While I respect your opinion how can you say that TvT is better now than it was then? MVP vs Top, Boxer vs Rain (maybe a little passive but it was the prototype game for TvTs to come for a month or two), MVP vs MMA? Marines, Tanks, Vikings, Battlecruisers, Ravens, Hellions drops everywhere (thank goodness that hasn't changed). Now you get the drops but we've lost all the sky terran possibilities until HoTS with the battlecruiser speed boost thing.
Thats just really great players playing each other (and imo MVP vs TOP only game 1 was amazing, Boxer vs Rain was just kinda goofy, and I don't really remember the game quality of MVP vs MMA) I think the matchup itself has just kinda improved, we see amazing TvTs all through the GSL, bottom of Code A all the way to the top of Code S, which to me shows a general improvement.
Bboong is everywhere right now. JYP has to be flustered.
Edit: and sure enough there's the GG
Well played by Idra and DeMuslim but to echo others in the thread, you really have to question the decision-making by EG on sending out who they did against Bboong--who should still be commended for playing very well.
On July 24 2012 10:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Well I called the overall score and winner perfectly at least Didn't see Idra and Demu winning so grats to them but Prime too strong!
It's really shocking to see this kind of performance out of creator and marineking. Both not even nearly playing to their ability..... BBongBBong gets things together that fell apart, but man, Prime will go down so hard against ST if they keep performing like this.... -_-
On July 24 2012 10:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Well I called the overall score and winner perfectly at least Didn't see Idra and Demu winning so grats to them but Prime too strong!
BBoongbboong played really well but EG definitely made some bad choices in terms of player order. JYP to snipe BBBB and then thorzain/puma to maybe clean out rest since prime has no more zergs besides salmosa
On July 24 2012 10:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Well I called the overall score and winner perfectly at least Didn't see Idra and Demu winning so grats to them but Prime too strong!
BBoongbboong played really well but EG definitely made some bad choices in terms of player order. JYP to snipe BBBB and then thorzain/puma to maybe clean out rest since prime has no more zergs besides salmosa
Well, seeing as B4 actually just beat JYP anyway doesn't seem like the order they sent out the players mattered after all!
but yes I agree sending out two terrans before wasn't the best decision making on their part!
On July 24 2012 10:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Well I called the overall score and winner perfectly at least Didn't see Idra and Demu winning so grats to them but Prime too strong!
BBoongbboong played really well but EG definitely made some bad choices in terms of player order. JYP to snipe BBBB and then thorzain/puma to maybe clean out rest since prime has no more zergs besides salmosa
Well, seeing as B4 actually just beat JYP anyway doesn't seem like the order they sent out the players mattered after all!
but yes I agree sending out two terrans before wasn't the best decision making on their part!
B4's momentum coming into ace match coupled with the extra pressure on JYP didn't help
On July 24 2012 10:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Well I called the overall score and winner perfectly at least Didn't see Idra and Demu winning so grats to them but Prime too strong!
BBoongbboong played really well but EG definitely made some bad choices in terms of player order. JYP to snipe BBBB and then thorzain/puma to maybe clean out rest since prime has no more zergs besides salmosa
Byun and Maru are far, far stronger than Puma and Thorzain on recent form so wouldn't have made much difference imo.
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
On July 24 2012 10:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Well I called the overall score and winner perfectly at least Didn't see Idra and Demu winning so grats to them but Prime too strong!
BBoongbboong played really well but EG definitely made some bad choices in terms of player order. JYP to snipe BBBB and then thorzain/puma to maybe clean out rest since prime has no more zergs besides salmosa
Byun and Maru are far, far stronger than Puma and Thorzain on recent form so wouldn't have made much difference imo.
PuMa is REALLY good at TvT, he can definitely take a game off of Maru OR ByuN, and while I don't know much of ThorZaIN's condition, its not farfetched to believe hes capable of dealing with Maru or ByuN as well.
On July 24 2012 10:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Well I called the overall score and winner perfectly at least Didn't see Idra and Demu winning so grats to them but Prime too strong!
BBoongbboong played really well but EG definitely made some bad choices in terms of player order. JYP to snipe BBBB and then thorzain/puma to maybe clean out rest since prime has no more zergs besides salmosa
Byun and Maru are far, far stronger than Puma and Thorzain on recent form so wouldn't have made much difference imo.
Well, we can't go too far into hypotheticals, but normally Idra and Demuslim should have never beaten MKP and Creator either.
On July 24 2012 10:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Well I called the overall score and winner perfectly at least Didn't see Idra and Demu winning so grats to them but Prime too strong!
BBoongbboong played really well but EG definitely made some bad choices in terms of player order. JYP to snipe BBBB and then thorzain/puma to maybe clean out rest since prime has no more zergs besides salmosa
Byun and Maru are far, far stronger than Puma and Thorzain on recent form so wouldn't have made much difference imo.
PuMa is REALLY good at TvT, he can definitely take a game off of Maru OR ByuN, and while I don't know much of ThorZaIN's condition, its not farfetched to believe hes capable of dealing with Maru or ByuN as well.
It's not farfetched to assume that any player in both rosters for these teams can take a map against any of the player in the other team.
On July 24 2012 10:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Well I called the overall score and winner perfectly at least Didn't see Idra and Demu winning so grats to them but Prime too strong!
BBoongbboong played really well but EG definitely made some bad choices in terms of player order. JYP to snipe BBBB and then thorzain/puma to maybe clean out rest since prime has no more zergs besides salmosa
Byun and Maru are far, far stronger than Puma and Thorzain on recent form so wouldn't have made much difference imo.
PuMa is REALLY good at TvT, he can definitely take a game off of Maru OR ByuN, and while I don't know much of ThorZaIN's condition, its not farfetched to believe hes capable of dealing with Maru or ByuN as well.
It's not farfetched to assume that any player in both rosters for these teams can take a map against any of the player in the other team.
Pretty much. Makes me sad to see how it ended.
EDIT: Stanlot, they left JYP for last when JYP's vZ is amazing while his vT is poor at best, and B4 is very good vT, and after B4 was out it would have been Prime Terrans left, which JYP is NOT going to be comfortable beating.
I'm sorry Prime. I got invited to go watch batman with some people and had to miss your match. B4 is making a come back! woo! get back in GSL bro! gl in next round. Also grats to IdrA and Demuslim for some big wins
i agree that thorzain was a bad pick, but puma was alrighttt maybe jyp was a bit busy or something, or eating dinner, i dno. since this isn't played live in a studio, the organisation between players can be a bit haphazard
On July 24 2012 10:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Well I called the overall score and winner perfectly at least Didn't see Idra and Demu winning so grats to them but Prime too strong!
BBoongbboong played really well but EG definitely made some bad choices in terms of player order. JYP to snipe BBBB and then thorzain/puma to maybe clean out rest since prime has no more zergs besides salmosa
Byun and Maru are far, far stronger than Puma and Thorzain on recent form so wouldn't have made much difference imo.
PuMa is REALLY good at TvT, he can definitely take a game off of Maru OR ByuN, and while I don't know much of ThorZaIN's condition, its not farfetched to believe hes capable of dealing with Maru or ByuN as well.
It's not farfetched to assume that any player in both rosters for these teams can take a map against any of the player in the other team.
Obviously its possible, but likely is a completely different story. I think it's safe to say that 95% of people here would agree that if EG took out Prime it would be a HUGE upset.
On July 24 2012 10:27 opterown wrote: i agree that thorzain was a bad pick, but puma was alrighttt maybe jyp was a bit busy or something, or eating dinner, i dno. since this isn't played live in a studio, the organisation between players can be a bit haphazard
I'd rather see ThorZaIN saved for Daybreak than Tal'darim Altar, I can KIND OF see PuMa on Antiga, but its just... his TvZ just isn't solid, he does some weird stuff and it really doesn't seem to work often. At least not when I see him play, he would have been much smarter as a TvT sniper, his TvT is his best matchup right now in my opinion, and Terrans were definitely on their way from Prime.
This was pretty easy to predict, not the individual games, but the fact that prime won. This broadcast was delayed because the teams didn't get the replays to IGN in time last week. Don't you think if EG won, they would have been rushing those replays to IGN, so it would get shown right away?
On July 24 2012 10:12 Greggle wrote: Not surprised at all here, EG had no business being this far in the tourney. Should have been NSH vs Prime.
Totally shocked that Idra and DeMuslim of all people were the ones to beat MKP and Creator.
EG could have seriously taken this if their player choices weren't pants on head retarded.
So what, sending out JYP sooner? He lost to B4 anyway. As far as I can tell Idra and Demuslim were good choices, so there isn't much else to complain about. The best player on EG that wasn't used at all was Huk who I can't remember the last good performance of.
Meanwhile they're up against Prime, who have a recent history of dominating team leagues and who beat FXO, a current GSTL finalist on the way here. The best player EG beat on the way here was who? CrazyMoving? Sjow? Select? Not a single player that has ever made code S and not even a current code A player. In fact, they got 5-0'd by an MVP B-teamer (don't know if he is officially B-team, but his farthest progress was code A RO16 last year).
Yeah, Prime got all-killed by Taeja, but Taeja is godlike online.
Sorry, EG was completely outclassed here on a day when Prime's two best players severely under-performed.
On July 24 2012 10:27 opterown wrote: i agree that thorzain was a bad pick, but puma was alrighttt maybe jyp was a bit busy or something, or eating dinner, i dno. since this isn't played live in a studio, the organisation between players can be a bit haphazard
I'd rather see ThorZaIN saved for Daybreak than Tal'darim Altar, I can KIND OF see PuMa on Antiga, but its just... his TvZ just isn't solid, he does some weird stuff and it really doesn't seem to work often. At least not when I see him play, he would have been much smarter as a TvT sniper, his TvT is his best matchup right now in my opinion, and Terrans were definitely on their way from Prime.
tvz on daybreak is not easy; puma's tvz is fairly decent and antiga is possibly the only map terrans might not dislike against zergs lol. either way i guess jyp lost to bbbb anyway, so assuming no mentality issues came through, the result would've been the same i think that maru and especially byun have better tvt than both puma and thorzain though
1. Just because JYP lost on the final map there doesn't mean he would have lost on Antiga, or Tal'darim, momentum is huge in teamleague.
2. I like ThorZaIN better on Daybreak or Antiga because I like his longer term macro play on those maps more than I like him on Tal'darim Altar.
3. PuMa's TvT is pretty potent, I don't think hes less than 45 against either ByuN or Maru, its a matchup that he can very easily be considered a sniper in and it was much more likely for him to beat ByuN or Maru than B4.
4. Quoting previous performances means very little, otherwise MKP and Creator probably would have just beat IdrA and Demuslim, so bringing previous performances up here after IdrA and Demuslim is kind of irrelevant and asinine.
With regards to Idra, no one should take what he says seriously because he's a very poor talent evaluator because he doesn't actually base it on skill, but on whether or not he likes someone or not. Remember he called Huk terrible before he joined EG, but then once Huk joined EG, suddenly Idra is his biggest fan when his gameplay never changed from his gateway timings. Idra probably still thinks Huk is terrible, but just won't say it now because they're teammates.
I bet if Incontrol wasn't his teammate, he would tear him a new one. Idra always has an agenda behind everything he says. He does things for shock value because he knows people eat that stuff up. Love him or hate him, he's smart with marketing and has the community on a string that he makes dance at his whim.
On July 24 2012 10:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Well I called the overall score and winner perfectly at least Didn't see Idra and Demu winning so grats to them but Prime too strong!
BBoongbboong played really well but EG definitely made some bad choices in terms of player order. JYP to snipe BBBB and then thorzain/puma to maybe clean out rest since prime has no more zergs besides salmosa
Byun and Maru are far, far stronger than Puma and Thorzain on recent form so wouldn't have made much difference imo.
PuMa is REALLY good at TvT, he can definitely take a game off of Maru OR ByuN, and while I don't know much of ThorZaIN's condition, its not farfetched to believe hes capable of dealing with Maru or ByuN as well.
It's not farfetched to assume that any player in both rosters for these teams can take a map against any of the player in the other team.
I agree. Bo5 or Bo7? That's debatable, but anyone on a pro team can take a game off of any one else on any other pro team at any given time IMO.
On July 24 2012 10:36 Zambrah wrote: 1. Just because JYP lost on the final map there doesn't mean he would have lost on Antiga, or Tal'darim, momentum is huge in teamleague.
2. I like ThorZaIN better on Daybreak or Antiga because I like his longer term macro play on those maps more than I like him on Tal'darim Altar.
3. PuMa's TvT is pretty potent, I don't think hes less than 45 against either ByuN or Maru, its a matchup that he can very easily be considered a sniper in and it was much more likely for him to beat ByuN or Maru than B4.
4. Quoting previous performances means very little, otherwise MKP and Creator probably would have just beat IdrA and Demuslim, so bringing previous performances up here after IdrA and Demuslim is kind of irrelevant and asinine.
I agree with this, but we dunno their reasoning behind the picks. Could have been player preference (maybe JYP was feeling better PvT than PvZ recently - just as an example), could have been someone had just woke up and wanted a chance to warm up a little, could be someone was really tired and felt they would be of more use now rather than 2 games later when they'd be even more tired etc.
We duno, but yeah, at face value I agree the choices are slightly odd.
So sad EG lost, Was happy to see IDra have some success vs MKP. I also felt like idra could have killed creator too. But thorzain shouldn't have gone for the cheese should have played straight.
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Big fuckin talk after just 1 win. Let's see you produce consistently better results than MKP. Don't think that's ever gonna happen.
wow really idra?
what's surprising about a player with a giant ego being frustrated that a player that he believes is inferior is winning 100x more than him??? it's pretty funny.
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
yeah but THAT bad ? I know it's ZvT, bo1 and cross-server but come on ... :|
well he is pretty fuckin bad
Big fuckin talk after just 1 win. Let's see you produce consistently better results than MKP. Don't think that's ever gonna happen.
wow really idra?
what's surprising about a player with a giant ego being frustrated that a player that he believes is inferior is winning 100x more than him??? it's pretty funny.
funnier is watching the reactions of randoms on internet forums rage at him, regardless of what he said
Good to see Prime still destroyed EG: I guess MKP wasnt take things to seriously, because cant see him lose a boX in any kind of world against someone as horrible bad as Idra
On July 24 2012 05:24 Poopi wrote: How is that possible that MKP loses to IdrA? -_- (if the people who tried to spoil the results are right) No faith in sc2 anymore seriously LOL. It's cross server but still.
On July 24 2012 16:39 Mithriel wrote: Good to see Prime still destroyed EG: I guess MKP wasnt take things to seriously, because cant see him lose a boX in any kind of world against someone as horrible bad as Idra
obviously when your guy loses he isnt taking it seriously, because honestly why would you play seriously when it's your only source of money?
Well done, Prime. :D Prime will now face Startale. This is gonna be interesting. A rematch of the last GSTL Final.
And just one question; if MarineKingPrime is a bad player, why did he win 2 MLGs this year and got second another time and he´s in Code S for all 4 seasons this year. Not to mention his results in 2011. If you say he´s bad, what are all the Code A/Code B players or foreigners? Also, if you say he´s bad; who´s a good player then? I guess judging by these standards the only good players are multiple GSL winners/Foreign Tournament Champions like MVP, Nestea, DRG, MMA, MC.
It's impressive to see how much better european teams are, when playing against korean teams cross-server, teams such as Acer and Empire manage to make it close a lot of the times. Anyways gg Prime, too bad it wasn't a 5-0, probably would have been offline but still.
On July 24 2012 20:11 Poopi wrote: It's impressive to see how much better european teams are, when playing against korean teams cross-server, teams such as Acer and Empire manage to make it close a lot of the times. Anyways gg Prime, too bad it wasn't a 5-0, probably would have been offline but still.
Well, EG deployed 2 Europeans of their own today, and only one American. I definitely wouldn't call EG an NA team, hell I hesitate to even call them a foreign team anymore.
But all-kill is an unpredictable format. Just look at Prime vs Liquid. Most would agree that Prime is by far the better team, but Taeja had a great day and was able to all-kill Prime and give Liquid the win. Every team has strong showings, and bad days. Acer brought 2 Koreans teams to the ace match this tournament, which was very praiseworthy, but few months ago they got all-killed by a Slayers B-teamer named Lots in the IPL Team Arena (this tournament's predecessor). Empire is a very powerful team, but they too were recently all-killed by Vortix.
On July 24 2012 10:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Well I called the overall score and winner perfectly at least Didn't see Idra and Demu winning so grats to them but Prime too strong!
BBoongbboong played really well but EG definitely made some bad choices in terms of player order. JYP to snipe BBBB and then thorzain/puma to maybe clean out rest since prime has no more zergs besides salmosa
Byun and Maru are far, far stronger than Puma and Thorzain on recent form so wouldn't have made much difference imo.
PuMa is REALLY good at TvT, he can definitely take a game off of Maru OR ByuN, and while I don't know much of ThorZaIN's condition, its not farfetched to believe hes capable of dealing with Maru or ByuN as well.
It's not farfetched to assume that any player in both rosters for these teams can take a map against any of the player in the other team.
I agree. Bo5 or Bo7? That's debatable, but anyone on a pro team can take a game off of any one else on any other pro team at any given time IMO.
There was a time when Mvp and Nestea (different moments) were pretty much invicible against lower players...
They really need to mix up the casters a bit. Don't get me wrong I like these 2 but hearing them all the time gets tiring. Why don't they mix it up a bit? Can't they ever get Apollo or totalbiscuit casting these?
On July 24 2012 20:53 Ryder. wrote: They really need to mix up the casters a bit. Don't get me wrong I like these 2 but hearing them all the time gets tiring. Why don't they mix it up a bit? Can't they ever get Apollo or totalbiscuit casting these?
It's a little different from tournament events. Ipl has hired their casters permanently like GSL, but I find it a little weird that HD and Painuser aren't casting anymore. I thought they also worked for Ipl.
On July 24 2012 20:53 Ryder. wrote: They really need to mix up the casters a bit. Don't get me wrong I like these 2 but hearing them all the time gets tiring. Why don't they mix it up a bit? Can't they ever get Apollo or totalbiscuit casting these?
It's a little different from tournament events. Ipl has hired their casters permanently like GSL, but I find it a little weird that HD and Painuser aren't casting anymore. I thought they also worked for Ipl.
they left a few months ago
Askjoshy casts sometimes. Totalbiscuit has cast once iirc
On July 24 2012 03:07 NOOBALOPSE wrote: IdrA is going to win vs MKP, then they will send creator, then EG will send DeMu, then Prime will send BboongBbong, then EG will send JYP, then Prime will send Maru, then Prime will send ByuN, then EG will send PuMa, and if PuMa fails they will send ThorZaIN - the king of preparation (:
EG 5:3/4 Prime
Pretty impressive. 4 next players from EG in correct order, and 2 from Prime. First 4 match scores correct as well. JYP didn't deliver for you .
On July 24 2012 03:07 NOOBALOPSE wrote: IdrA is going to win vs MKP, then they will send creator, then EG will send DeMu, then Prime will send BboongBbong, then EG will send JYP, then Prime will send Maru, then Prime will send ByuN, then EG will send PuMa, and if PuMa fails they will send ThorZaIN - the king of preparation (:
EG 5:3/4 Prime
Pretty impressive. 4 next players from EG in correct order, and 2 from Prime. First 4 match scores correct as well. JYP didn't deliver for you .
he was stalking match histories on bnet profiles to spoil the match got the rest wrong because the other games were played on KR and he couldn't stalk them there
On July 24 2012 03:07 NOOBALOPSE wrote: IdrA is going to win vs MKP, then they will send creator, then EG will send DeMu, then Prime will send BboongBbong, then EG will send JYP, then Prime will send Maru, then Prime will send ByuN, then EG will send PuMa, and if PuMa fails they will send ThorZaIN - the king of preparation (:
EG 5:3/4 Prime
Pretty impressive. 4 next players from EG in correct order, and 2 from Prime. First 4 match scores correct as well. JYP didn't deliver for you .
He knew the results beforehand since they were leaked. There have been ten pages of complaints about that.
On July 24 2012 20:53 Ryder. wrote: They really need to mix up the casters a bit. Don't get me wrong I like these 2 but hearing them all the time gets tiring. Why don't they mix it up a bit? Can't they ever get Apollo or totalbiscuit casting these?
It's a little different from tournament events. Ipl has hired their casters permanently like GSL, but I find it a little weird that HD and Painuser aren't casting anymore. I thought they also worked for Ipl.
they left a few months ago
Do you know why? I don't see them anywhere.
not really, i think joshy said it in response to a reddit thread somewhere. hdpain left in feb, they were there as guest casters for ipl4.
On July 24 2012 15:07 bikefrog wrote: I find it really funny that IdrA walked the walk after talking the talk :D
Idra won one game. That's hardly walking. Don't get to excited.
While it is one game. To fans of Idra and EG thats kind of a big deal, since he has struggled to get beat anyone who is really really good. And beating MKP is an awesome win for idra and fans. Idra looked very good in it. He also looked very good vs creator until creator just killed him. I think for EG to kill 2 of primes best players theres a lot of hope for the team to do better in the next one.
On July 24 2012 15:07 bikefrog wrote: I find it really funny that IdrA walked the walk after talking the talk :D
Idra won one game. That's hardly walking. Don't get to excited.
While it is one game. To fans of Idra and EG thats kind of a big deal, since he has struggled to get beat anyone who is really really good. And beating MKP is an awesome win for idra and fans. Idra looked very good in it. He also looked very good vs creator until creator just killed him. I think for EG to kill 2 of primes best players theres a lot of hope for the team to do better in the next one.
this is an attitude that i like to see not like some of the other ones in this thread :D EG needs more fans like you, sir
On July 24 2012 03:07 NOOBALOPSE wrote: IdrA is going to win vs MKP, then they will send creator, then EG will send DeMu, then Prime will send BboongBbong, then EG will send JYP, then Prime will send Maru, then Prime will send ByuN, then EG will send PuMa, and if PuMa fails they will send ThorZaIN - the king of preparation (:
EG 5:3/4 Prime
Pretty impressive. 4 next players from EG in correct order, and 2 from Prime. First 4 match scores correct as well. JYP didn't deliver for you .
He knew the results beforehand since they were leaked. There have been ten pages of complaints about that.
They were only partially leaked. I think that IPL should lend players accounts, because even though you can prevent being spoiled by not reading LR thread beforehand, it's still interesting to read because of hype and stuff, so taking measures to prevent spoilers would be a good thing.
Well, EG deployed 2 Europeans of their own today, and only one American. I definitely wouldn't call EG an NA team, hell I hesitate to even call them a foreign team anymore.
I didn't say NA team, it's just that often in these multi regions team leagues, it was the european teams (compared to NA / korean + EU/NA) with european players and not their korean recruits, who achieved the most impressive upsets (Empire 4-5 Prime, Acer same I think, mouz a very good result but I don't recall against which team) with almost only their "original" foreign players. Which could indicate that having players more "close" (in the sense of no language barrier) to each other is a good thing
On July 24 2012 03:07 NOOBALOPSE wrote: IdrA is going to win vs MKP, then they will send creator, then EG will send DeMu, then Prime will send BboongBbong, then EG will send JYP, then Prime will send Maru, then Prime will send ByuN, then EG will send PuMa, and if PuMa fails they will send ThorZaIN - the king of preparation (:
EG 5:3/4 Prime
Pretty impressive. 4 next players from EG in correct order, and 2 from Prime. First 4 match scores correct as well. JYP didn't deliver for you .
He knew the results beforehand since they were leaked. There have been ten pages of complaints about that.
They were only partially leaked. I think that IPL should lend players accounts, because even though you can't prevent being spoiled by not reading LR thread beforehand, it's still interesting to read because of hype and stuff, so taking measures to prevent spoilers would be a good thing.
egevoli fully leaked them on reddit as well, pretty much.
we knew that idra > mkp creator > idra demu > creator
and evoli said eg lost 5-2 so that's how i knew bbbb 4-killed EG
On July 24 2012 03:07 NOOBALOPSE wrote: IdrA is going to win vs MKP, then they will send creator, then EG will send DeMu, then Prime will send BboongBbong, then EG will send JYP, then Prime will send Maru, then Prime will send ByuN, then EG will send PuMa, and if PuMa fails they will send ThorZaIN - the king of preparation (:
EG 5:3/4 Prime
Pretty impressive. 4 next players from EG in correct order, and 2 from Prime. First 4 match scores correct as well. JYP didn't deliver for you .
He knew the results beforehand since they were leaked. There have been ten pages of complaints about that.
They were only partially leaked. I think that IPL should lend players accounts, because even though you can't prevent being spoiled by not reading LR thread beforehand, it's still interesting to read because of hype and stuff, so taking measures to prevent spoilers would be a good thing.
egevoli fully leaked them on reddit as well, pretty much.
we knew that idra > mkp creator > idra demu > creator
and evoli said eg lost 5-2 so that's how i knew bbbb 4-killed EG
so pretty much all leaked, yeah.
The evoli post I saw was probably edited then, because when I looked at it I didn't see the 5-2 result. Only that foreigners won games and stuff.
On July 24 2012 03:07 NOOBALOPSE wrote: IdrA is going to win vs MKP, then they will send creator, then EG will send DeMu, then Prime will send BboongBbong, then EG will send JYP, then Prime will send Maru, then Prime will send ByuN, then EG will send PuMa, and if PuMa fails they will send ThorZaIN - the king of preparation (:
EG 5:3/4 Prime
Pretty impressive. 4 next players from EG in correct order, and 2 from Prime. First 4 match scores correct as well. JYP didn't deliver for you .
He knew the results beforehand since they were leaked. There have been ten pages of complaints about that.
They were only partially leaked. I think that IPL should lend players accounts, because even though you can't prevent being spoiled by not reading LR thread beforehand, it's still interesting to read because of hype and stuff, so taking measures to prevent spoilers would be a good thing.
Well, EG deployed 2 Europeans of their own today, and only one American. I definitely wouldn't call EG an NA team, hell I hesitate to even call them a foreign team anymore.
I didn't say NA team, it's just that often in these multi regions team leagues, it was the european teams (compared to NA / korean + EU/NA) with european players and not their korean recruits, who achieved the most impressive upsets (Empire 4-5 Prime, Acer same I think, mouz a very good result but I don't recall against which team) with almost only their "original" foreign players. Which could indicate that having players more "close" (in the sense of no language barrier) to each other is a good thing
Nope, it was known that Prime won 5-2 with foreigners being the only wins for EG. The guy also happened to know the builds used in Idra vs MKP and DeMuslim vs Creator. I would say that is a pretty whole leak.
I didn't say NA team, it's just that often in these multi regions team leagues, it was the european teams (compared to NA / korean + EU/NA) with european players and not their korean recruits, who achieved the most impressive upsets (Empire 4-5 Prime, Acer same I think, mouz a very good result but I don't recall against which team) with almost only their "original" foreign players. Which could indicate that having players more "close" (in the sense of no language barrier) to each other is a good thing
Well, it's no secret that EU is stronger than NA. I think it might be possible that EU teams do take these teamleagues like IPL TAC very seriously, probably more than Korean teams do, which could result in the EU teams doing relatively well. Mouz I know took these teamleagues very seriously, and they absolutely killed it in the first TAC. It could be the preparation gap that allows EU teams to put up such close fights with the Korean behemoths.
But when a Korean team prepares like they do in the GSTL, now that is scary. :O
On July 24 2012 19:47 Wayne123 wrote: Well done, Prime. :D Prime will now face Startale. This is gonna be interesting. A rematch of the last GSTL Final.
And just one question; if MarineKingPrime is a bad player, why did he win 2 MLGs this year and got second another time and he´s in Code S for all 4 seasons this year. Not to mention his results in 2011. If you say he´s bad, what are all the Code A/Code B players or foreigners? Also, if you say he´s bad; who´s a good player then? I guess judging by these standards the only good players are multiple GSL winners/Foreign Tournament Champions like MVP, Nestea, DRG, MMA, MC.
On July 24 2012 03:07 NOOBALOPSE wrote: IdrA is going to win vs MKP, then they will send creator, then EG will send DeMu, then Prime will send BboongBbong, then EG will send JYP, then Prime will send Maru, then Prime will send ByuN, then EG will send PuMa, and if PuMa fails they will send ThorZaIN - the king of preparation (:
EG 5:3/4 Prime
Pretty impressive. 4 next players from EG in correct order, and 2 from Prime. First 4 match scores correct as well. JYP didn't deliver for you .
He's the ass who spoiled the first game(s) results for all of us, he already knew that when making his prediction. Have a hard time he actually guessed those first three games correctly.
On July 24 2012 15:07 bikefrog wrote: I find it really funny that IdrA walked the walk after talking the talk :D
Idra won one game. That's hardly walking. Don't get to excited.
While it is one game. To fans of Idra and EG thats kind of a big deal, since he has struggled to get beat anyone who is really really good. And beating MKP is an awesome win for idra and fans. Idra looked very good in it. He also looked very good vs creator until creator just killed him. I think for EG to kill 2 of primes best players theres a lot of hope for the team to do better in the next one.
this is an attitude that i like to see not like some of the other ones in this thread :D EG needs more fans like you, sir
On July 24 2012 10:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Well I called the overall score and winner perfectly at least Didn't see Idra and Demu winning so grats to them but Prime too strong!
BBoongbboong played really well but EG definitely made some bad choices in terms of player order. JYP to snipe BBBB and then thorzain/puma to maybe clean out rest since prime has no more zergs besides salmosa
Byun and Maru are far, far stronger than Puma and Thorzain on recent form so wouldn't have made much difference imo.
PuMa is REALLY good at TvT, he can definitely take a game off of Maru OR ByuN, and while I don't know much of ThorZaIN's condition, its not farfetched to believe hes capable of dealing with Maru or ByuN as well.
It's not farfetched to assume that any player in both rosters for these teams can take a map against any of the player in the other team.
Obviously its possible, but likely is a completely different story. I think it's safe to say that 95% of people here would agree that if EG took out Prime it would be a HUGE upset.
Yes but 1 game is different from one match.
Let's assume (hypothetically) that Prime would win each individual set 65% of the time. Obviously this isn't static but let's assume it is (MKP would probably beat Idra more than that, Bboong would beat JYP less that than for sure, etc.)
That means in a 1 set match EG would win 35% of the time.
In a BO9 EG would win 17% I think, if I did the math correctly.
On July 24 2012 22:56 Pippi wrote: Since Thorzain joined EG he has a 1-9 record in BO3 against koreans. Send thorzain to Korea asap and learn the way of the Koreans again
he's already there! leaving soon for WCS nordic though
On July 24 2012 22:56 Pippi wrote: Since Thorzain joined EG he has a 1-9 record in BO3 against koreans. Send thorzain to Korea asap and learn the way of the Koreans again
What was his record before joining EG? Say, between the time he joined Mouz to when he joined EG?
On July 24 2012 22:56 Pippi wrote: Since Thorzain joined EG he has a 1-9 record in BO3 against koreans. Send thorzain to Korea asap and learn the way of the Koreans again
It's actually 3-9 with wins over Gumiho (2-1), clide (2-0) and oz (3-1). 4-9 if you throw Select as Korean.
Prime Coach: MKP go and kill them quickly in 13min games each, i want to go eat something. . . Game 1 vs Idra . . Prime Coach: fuck they sent out a zerg, ok let's get serious and sent out a zerg. . . 1h later... GG EG
There has to be something a bit saddening about losing to a guy name BboongBboong.
Not to mention the fact that a lot of players just can't seem to win after joining EG hope EG as a team and as individual players will do much better in the coming days...but I've been thinking that for a while. ><
On July 25 2012 00:18 monkybone wrote: MKP vs idra shows how unforgiving the TvZ matchup is. A failed 2 rax sets you leagues behind, especially with one rax proxied.
On July 25 2012 00:18 monkybone wrote: MKP vs idra shows how unforgiving the TvZ matchup is. A failed 2 rax sets you leagues behind, especially with one rax proxied.
All failed proxy builds are unforgiving bro
Well said! It's not like it's just about the TvZ matchup that set MKP behind. -_-
On July 25 2012 00:10 Aerisky wrote: There has to be something a bit saddening about losing to a guy name BboongBboong.
Not to mention the fact that a lot of players just can't seem to win after joining EG hope EG as a team and as individual players will do much better in the coming days...but I've been thinking that for a while. ><
B4s pretty good dude, no idea where you've been for the past year. He's not a top-level Zerg, but he's not Code B either, and he's been improving.
On July 25 2012 00:18 monkybone wrote: MKP vs idra shows how unforgiving the TvZ matchup is. A failed 2 rax sets you leagues behind, especially with one rax proxied.
All failed proxy builds are unforgiving bro
Yeah pretty much haha, just goes without saying.
Except maybe proxy pylons because protoss has the warp-in mechanic kekekeke.
But really, a failed proxy unit producing structure (not including pylons) will screw you over.
On July 25 2012 00:10 Aerisky wrote: There has to be something a bit saddening about losing to a guy name BboongBboong.
Not to mention the fact that a lot of players just can't seem to win after joining EG hope EG as a team and as individual players will do much better in the coming days...but I've been thinking that for a while. ><
B4s pretty good dude, no idea where you've been for the past year. He's not a top-level Zerg, but he's not Code B either, and he's been improving.
Oh, no I wasn't jabbing at his play. Obviously he's pretty good if he went four in a row I was just sort of having a chuckle about his name. ^^
On July 25 2012 00:10 Aerisky wrote: There has to be something a bit saddening about losing to a guy name BboongBboong.
Not to mention the fact that a lot of players just can't seem to win after joining EG hope EG as a team and as individual players will do much better in the coming days...but I've been thinking that for a while. ><
B4s pretty good dude, no idea where you've been for the past year. He's not a top-level Zerg, but he's not Code B either, and he's been improving.
Oh, no I wasn't jabbing at his play. Obviously he's pretty good if he went four in a row I was just sort of having a chuckle about his name. ^^
On July 25 2012 00:18 monkybone wrote: MKP vs idra shows how unforgiving the TvZ matchup is. A failed 2 rax sets you leagues behind, especially with one rax proxied.
All failed proxy builds are unforgiving bro
It's different, as most proxy builds are much more all-in than 2 rax with only 1 rax proxied. This kind of 2 rax is simply pressure, not designed to do severe damage or kill your opponent. This much is clear as one usually places down a CC relatively early.
It's actually still a big set back. Proxy 2rax (even with 1 rax at home) usually means a much later gas (depending how much you commit) and a later expansion. Having to float your 1 rax all the way back also means 1 less structure producing units (in case there is threat of a counter) or 1 less rax to put an add-on on, further delaying tech or units. This significantly delays any timing you could have (stim or siege or banshees or medivacs) in the future, and any good Zerg knows that after a failed 2rax he can drone like mad or take another expo unless he scouts an all-in.
On July 25 2012 00:10 Aerisky wrote: There has to be something a bit saddening about losing to a guy name BboongBboong.
Not to mention the fact that a lot of players just can't seem to win after joining EG hope EG as a team and as individual players will do much better in the coming days...but I've been thinking that for a while. ><
B4s pretty good dude, no idea where you've been for the past year. He's not a top-level Zerg, but he's not Code B either, and he's been improving.
Oh, no I wasn't jabbing at his play. Obviously he's pretty good if he went four in a row I was just sort of having a chuckle about his name. ^^
Ahahhaahhahahahhahahaha you're sooo funny.
You seem to be taking a lot of offence over nothing.
On July 25 2012 00:10 Aerisky wrote: There has to be something a bit saddening about losing to a guy name BboongBboong.
Not to mention the fact that a lot of players just can't seem to win after joining EG hope EG as a team and as individual players will do much better in the coming days...but I've been thinking that for a while. ><
B4s pretty good dude, no idea where you've been for the past year. He's not a top-level Zerg, but he's not Code B either, and he's been improving.
Oh, no I wasn't jabbing at his play. Obviously he's pretty good if he went four in a row I was just sort of having a chuckle about his name. ^^
Ahahhaahhahahahhahahaha you're sooo funny.
I didn't think what I said was very funny, so your reaction makes me think there's something I said wrong and you're mocking me for something D:
What was wrong with that? I didn't go towards either extreme (he's not that good nor that bad overall) just thought his name was randomly pretty funny. ZergBong will always be #1 though.
On July 25 2012 00:10 Aerisky wrote: There has to be something a bit saddening about losing to a guy name BboongBboong.
Not to mention the fact that a lot of players just can't seem to win after joining EG hope EG as a team and as individual players will do much better in the coming days...but I've been thinking that for a while. ><
B4s pretty good dude, no idea where you've been for the past year. He's not a top-level Zerg, but he's not Code B either, and he's been improving.
Oh, no I wasn't jabbing at his play. Obviously he's pretty good if he went four in a row I was just sort of having a chuckle about his name. ^^
Ahahhaahhahahahhahahaha you're sooo funny.
I didn't think what I said was very funny, so your reaction makes me think there's something I said wrong and you're mocking me for something D:
What was wrong with that? I didn't go towards either extreme (he's not that good nor that bad overall) just thought his name was randomly pretty funny. ZergBong will always be #1 though.
I really want to change my bnet name to DongSprayGoo
On July 25 2012 00:10 Aerisky wrote: There has to be something a bit saddening about losing to a guy name BboongBboong.
Not to mention the fact that a lot of players just can't seem to win after joining EG hope EG as a team and as individual players will do much better in the coming days...but I've been thinking that for a while. ><
B4s pretty good dude, no idea where you've been for the past year. He's not a top-level Zerg, but he's not Code B either, and he's been improving.
Oh, no I wasn't jabbing at his play. Obviously he's pretty good if he went four in a row I was just sort of having a chuckle about his name. ^^
Ahahhaahhahahahhahahaha you're sooo funny.
You seem to be taking a lot of offence over nothing.
On July 25 2012 00:10 Aerisky wrote: There has to be something a bit saddening about losing to a guy name BboongBboong.
Not to mention the fact that a lot of players just can't seem to win after joining EG hope EG as a team and as individual players will do much better in the coming days...but I've been thinking that for a while. ><
B4s pretty good dude, no idea where you've been for the past year. He's not a top-level Zerg, but he's not Code B either, and he's been improving.
Oh, no I wasn't jabbing at his play. Obviously he's pretty good if he went four in a row I was just sort of having a chuckle about his name. ^^
Ahahhaahhahahahhahahaha you're sooo funny.
I didn't think what I said was very funny, so your reaction makes me think there's something I said wrong and you're mocking me for something D:
What was wrong with that? I didn't go towards either extreme (he's not that good nor that bad overall) just thought his name was randomly pretty funny. ZergBong will always be #1 though.
I really want to change my bnet name to DongSprayGoo
LOL that's actually pretty clever in a crude way. I am easily amused by usernames obviously.
On July 25 2012 00:10 Aerisky wrote: There has to be something a bit saddening about losing to a guy name BboongBboong.
Not to mention the fact that a lot of players just can't seem to win after joining EG hope EG as a team and as individual players will do much better in the coming days...but I've been thinking that for a while. ><
On July 25 2012 00:10 Aerisky wrote: There has to be something a bit saddening about losing to a guy name BboongBboong.
Not to mention the fact that a lot of players just can't seem to win after joining EG hope EG as a team and as individual players will do much better in the coming days...but I've been thinking that for a while. ><
you obviously have not been following sc2
He's not saying it's bad to lose to a player of Bboongbboong's skill. He's saying it's sad to lose to someone whose name means the sound a fart makes
On July 25 2012 00:10 Aerisky wrote: There has to be something a bit saddening about losing to a guy name BboongBboong.
Not to mention the fact that a lot of players just can't seem to win after joining EG hope EG as a team and as individual players will do much better in the coming days...but I've been thinking that for a while. ><
you obviously have not been following sc2
He's not saying it's bad to lose to a player of Bboongbboong's skill. He's saying it's sad to lose to someone whose name means the sound a fart makes
Thank you! >.< apologies to those for whom I didn't make that clear enough.
@Champloo: I know right? Random tangent but Spoon Murderer will always be my favorite nickname for him haha, the original spoon murderer video was so randomly funny I have faith they'll be able to come back though.
On July 25 2012 04:51 Champloo wrote: I remember the good times when Thorzain was owning faces in teamleagues for Mouz. It feels like he has a 10 % winrate in teamleagues for EG.
Pretty sure he hasn't won a game yet in Teamleagues for EG.
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