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On July 21 2012 07:42 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 07:40 CosmicSpiral wrote:On July 21 2012 07:26 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 07:25 CosmicSpiral wrote:On July 21 2012 07:24 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 07:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:On July 21 2012 07:22 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 07:22 spilledmilk wrote:
wow Cytoplasm had a crazy cool build. I liked the aggressive nature. I think it threw Hero off. Was a very good game, and I thought Hero was going to take it when he was getting crazy storms. It is not Cytoplasm's build. It's Symbol's. Stephano was doing ling/infestor/ultra long before Symbol even showed up in Iron Squid. No one was doing that in ZvP until very, very recently. And Fruitdealer was the guy who popularised it in ZvT. No, Stephano did not popularize it either, but he was doing it way before Symbol became famous. Fruitdealer didn't popularize it in ZvT either, he exploited a bug. Show me some games in tournaments where Stephano uses Ultra/Ling/Bane/Infestors vs Protoss. Prove that nobody was using ling/bane/infestor/ultra before Symbol. That composition along with ling/baneling + drops was all the rage around spring 2011. Which was popularised by Losira. But Losira never used Ultra's. This is pretty damn different to baneling drop because of the fast hive into Ultras.
Apologist of Koreans strikes again.
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On July 21 2012 07:44 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 07:43 Dfgj wrote:On July 21 2012 07:39 JJH777 wrote:On July 21 2012 07:37 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 07:36 m0ck wrote:
I think it's quite a nice change that we no longer have the best TvZ-players at 70-80% winrate against zerg while the best ZvT-players have around 60% winrate versus terran. Even at this point, do any of the best zergs have vT as their best match-up statistically?
To argue that Z>P in Korea simply flies in the face of all statistics. We've come to expect it outside of Korea because of how strong Stephano is in the match-up, but in Korea it really is a different story. In an ideal world we'd have the snipers with 70-80% win rate in a match on both sides of the coin and a 50% win rate vs the other snipers. I really like having players like MMA was who are just insane vs certain races. There's no fun in randomness. There should be players with that high of win-rate from both races though. Even when DRG was considered a ZvT sniper he never approached MMA/MVPs TvZ win-rates. You're assuming there are players of equal caliber and specialization on all races at any given time. This is rarely the case. It is in BW though. So it's absolutely possible in RTS, just Blizzard hasn't found that balance yet in Sc2.
Even in BW you had aberrations where one player had an absurd winrate in a certain matchup, or where top players from a single race enjoyed a dominant period.
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I still have a crush on Axslav though. No homo.
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On July 21 2012 07:42 Charger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 07:40 Ammoth wrote:On July 21 2012 07:39 Charger wrote:
I apologize if this has been asked a million times already but I have a Gold membership but I don't see (or have maybe) a voucher code for HD. Is this not available in HD to Gold members already? It is not I'm afraid Really? Wow wtf. Thanks for the help.
I think you get a $2 discount though
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On July 21 2012 07:42 gedatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 07:39 gedatsu wrote:
Apollo's mic looks like a mustache in a certain angle. ![[image loading]](http://i50.tinypic.com/33e321g.png)
hahahaha
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On July 21 2012 07:42 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 07:40 CosmicSpiral wrote:On July 21 2012 07:26 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 07:25 CosmicSpiral wrote:On July 21 2012 07:24 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 07:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:On July 21 2012 07:22 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 07:22 spilledmilk wrote:
wow Cytoplasm had a crazy cool build. I liked the aggressive nature. I think it threw Hero off. Was a very good game, and I thought Hero was going to take it when he was getting crazy storms. It is not Cytoplasm's build. It's Symbol's. Stephano was doing ling/infestor/ultra long before Symbol even showed up in Iron Squid. No one was doing that in ZvP until very, very recently. And Fruitdealer was the guy who popularised it in ZvT. No, Stephano did not popularize it either, but he was doing it way before Symbol became famous. Fruitdealer didn't popularize it in ZvT either, he exploited a bug. Show me some games in tournaments where Stephano uses Ultra/Ling/Bane/Infestors vs Protoss. Prove that nobody was using ling/bane/infestor/ultra before Symbol. That composition along with ling/baneling + drops was all the rage around spring 2011. Which was popularised by Losira. But Losira never used Ultra's. This is pretty damn different to baneling drop because of the fast hive into Ultras.
Losira popularized 2 base roach/ling pushes against gateway expands. I don't know if he popularized ling/bane drops in Korea, but I'm sure Morrow popularized it in EU and Dimaga carried it on until today (which is not helping him that much).
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On July 21 2012 07:43 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Has TaeJa vs Dream started yet?
TaeJa 1-0 Dream 
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On July 21 2012 07:43 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 07:39 JJH777 wrote:On July 21 2012 07:37 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 07:36 m0ck wrote:
I think it's quite a nice change that we no longer have the best TvZ-players at 70-80% winrate against zerg while the best ZvT-players have around 60% winrate versus terran. Even at this point, do any of the best zergs have vT as their best match-up statistically?
To argue that Z>P in Korea simply flies in the face of all statistics. We've come to expect it outside of Korea because of how strong Stephano is in the match-up, but in Korea it really is a different story. In an ideal world we'd have the snipers with 70-80% win rate in a match on both sides of the coin and a 50% win rate vs the other snipers. I really like having players like MMA was who are just insane vs certain races. There's no fun in randomness. There should be players with that high of win-rate from both races though. Even when DRG was considered a ZvT sniper he never approached MMA/MVPs TvZ win-rates. You're assuming there are players of equal caliber and specialization on all races at any given time. This is rarely the case.
Ok well in the 2 years of SC2 no one has had a ZvT win-rate as high as MMA/MVP's kept theres for like a year straight.
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good games but the main stream seems quite choppy (low fps), even on ultra.
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On July 21 2012 07:43 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Has TaeJa vs Dream started yet?
Yeah TaeJa just won game 1.
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On July 21 2012 07:43 DoubleB wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 07:42 alrik21 wrote:
I love that they are trying hard to get a good show. but i think they are overdoing it a bit with the regoing of the match right afterwards at the analyst board. Really? I like it alot and I also like their comments. Think it improves the show by far
I love it, it takes ALL the focus from the main casters when you are not in game.
But I feel Apollo should set up it better, theres still to much Artosis/Wheat "backseat driving".
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Taeja takes game 1 over Dream.
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On July 21 2012 07:44 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 07:43 Dfgj wrote:On July 21 2012 07:39 JJH777 wrote:On July 21 2012 07:37 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 07:36 m0ck wrote:
I think it's quite a nice change that we no longer have the best TvZ-players at 70-80% winrate against zerg while the best ZvT-players have around 60% winrate versus terran. Even at this point, do any of the best zergs have vT as their best match-up statistically?
To argue that Z>P in Korea simply flies in the face of all statistics. We've come to expect it outside of Korea because of how strong Stephano is in the match-up, but in Korea it really is a different story. In an ideal world we'd have the snipers with 70-80% win rate in a match on both sides of the coin and a 50% win rate vs the other snipers. I really like having players like MMA was who are just insane vs certain races. There's no fun in randomness. There should be players with that high of win-rate from both races though. Even when DRG was considered a ZvT sniper he never approached MMA/MVPs TvZ win-rates. You're assuming there are players of equal caliber and specialization on all races at any given time. This is rarely the case. It is in BW though. So it's absolutely possible in RTS, just Blizzard hasn't found that balance yet in Sc2.
I wonder what you would be saying if you went back in time to when BW PvZ was at about 40% until Bisu revolutionised the matchup.
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Shame some of the matches arn't being cased like the alicia and oz games
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On July 21 2012 07:42 Gr33d wrote:
Its annoying that everytime they play some add or do a break my stream goes black and I have to refresh again to get a picture.
Yeah mine is the same. I guess it's because of adblock?
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On July 21 2012 07:45 SayGen wrote:
2-1 Hero
err dude game 3 has just started. some ppl use this as a LR thread :p
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On July 21 2012 07:45 ratbert wrote:TaeJa 1-0 Dream
Thank you. Good first game? Dream's TvZ looked pretty nice yesterday in IPL TAC but I havent seen his TvT in a while so I'm not sure how good it is anymore
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That's the most annoying probe I've seen in quite a while.
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