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Warnings and bans will be handed out for Balance whining in the thread, just like every other Live Report thread.
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
July 21 2012 02:35 GMT
#3001
"What the fuck is Sase doing?"

~Casters in every game he's ever played, ever.
sickoota
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada918 Posts
July 21 2012 02:35 GMT
#3002
Oz will beat stephano he showed most impressive PvZ ive seen in a long time vs violet
I could spend a while with that smile
FrodaN
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
754 Posts
July 21 2012 02:35 GMT
#3003
I do like Sase's variation of FFE because if he scouts an early pool he can place a cannon in the main
Shaddar
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
675 Posts
July 21 2012 02:35 GMT
#3004
DTs from Sase? Hes banking a lot of gas and not getting sentries
Why is Check 6 afraid of Infinity Seven? Because Infinity Seven Team 8 Day [9]
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
July 21 2012 02:35 GMT
#3005
On July 21 2012 11:35 sickoota wrote:
Oz will beat stephano he showed most impressive PvZ ive seen in a long time vs violet

stephano is known for crushing protoss...
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13426 Posts
July 21 2012 02:35 GMT
#3006
On July 21 2012 11:29 oogieogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 11:27 ZeromuS wrote:
On July 21 2012 11:24 Tobblish wrote:
On July 21 2012 11:23 ZeromuS wrote:
On July 21 2012 11:20 VPCursed wrote:
god i hate protoss


Alicia shut down the Terran Macro.

Ryung never made use of his 4th base and the 5th mined very little and was completely shut down with no way of salvaging the OC.

Ryung also forgot +3 armor for the longest time. so while he sniped the +2 attack forge and had an advantage for a while, by not getting +3 armor Alicia was able to get +3 attack before +3 armor was done for the Terran.

Coupled with the better economy and even trades Alicia took a slow but guaranteed advantage and win.

Don't come balance whining in here when the Terran made some big mistakes and essentially threw the game.


He didn't forget it, he focused on unit production instead.
The +3 armor won't get you that far in the late game also.


Considering that Terran could have had +3 armor before Protoss had +3 attack I dont know how that can be unimportant in late game. It makes a big difference against zealots and collossus which both do 2 attacks.

He traded evenly at an upgrade disadvantage and econ disadvantage through most of the game.

If the econ was there and the upgrades were even he could have easily beat Alicia. Even trades at disadvantage means that on even footing those trades would have been less even and more in favour of terran.

He traded evenly when he was much higher army supply. Also i highly doubt that +1 armor would mean he would win. The engagements he also had were great for him, but still traded evenly.


You seem to forget that SC2 is pretty huge on the compound damage and DPS field. If you have 6 collossus vs 5 collossus for example the 6 will win with more than one left.

+1 armor would have helped when Protoss hadn't quite yet finished +2 attack. At that point in the mid game 2-2 finished for terran when 3 armor was on the way and a 2nd forge was being rebuilt.

I am not saying Ryung would win but it would have made the mid game for him much stronger. If he had shut down the attacks from Protoss at his 4th and hadn't lost all those scvs his macro wouldn't have slowed as much.

His army was bigger but his econ was worse. So he traded his army for army while falling behind in economy.

This lead to Alicia slowly gaining speed in the long term. At the end of the game Alicia was 50 food ahead and only because Ryung didn't have the economy to continue keeping an army lead.

Its not like Ryung would have insta won but to say upgrades mean nothing or to say that Ryung played perfectly is way off base. He made mistakes and they meant alicia could take some advantage slowly and he traded evenly enough that warp ins could keep him defended.

There comes a point in PvT where if you lose an engagement poorly enough, warp ins cant keep you alive and counters will do a lot of damage. to stay alive you need to sacrifice a base and get more than one warp in to defend.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
SayGen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1209 Posts
July 21 2012 02:35 GMT
#3007
Honestly don't know who would win Steph or Alicia. I think it would be split win 2-1.
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Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
July 21 2012 02:36 GMT
#3008
OGS INCAAAAAAAA
Hylirion
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands968 Posts
July 21 2012 02:36 GMT
#3009
Why no grubby vs hero?
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
July 21 2012 02:36 GMT
#3010
On July 21 2012 11:35 VisonKai wrote:
"What the fuck is Sase doing?"

~Casters in every game he's ever played, ever.

He heard Oz was trying to do some weird builds and he wants to show him up
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mccarthyaw
Profile Joined April 2012
50 Posts
July 21 2012 02:37 GMT
#3011
On July 21 2012 11:35 sickoota wrote:
Oz will beat stephano he showed most impressive PvZ ive seen in a long time vs violet


We will see. Stephano is much better at ZvP than Violet
Shaddar
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
675 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-21 02:37:21
July 21 2012 02:37 GMT
#3012
On July 21 2012 11:36 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 11:35 VisonKai wrote:
"What the fuck is Sase doing?"

~Casters in every game he's ever played, ever.

He heard Oz was trying to do some weird builds and he wants to show him up


To Show Oz up he needs to nexus first in a PvP
Why is Check 6 afraid of Infinity Seven? Because Infinity Seven Team 8 Day [9]
M7Jagger
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden237 Posts
July 21 2012 02:37 GMT
#3013
Why hasn't losira gotten speed yet?
Brace your're selves. Grammar, nazis are Coming
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
July 21 2012 02:38 GMT
#3014
lookin at the brackets, it already seems like terrans are on the way out of the tournament. too many tvt's too. yawn, blizzard. another tournament to tune out of it seems.
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
July 21 2012 02:38 GMT
#3015
lol losira...
shizna
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom803 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-21 02:38:52
July 21 2012 02:38 GMT
#3016
alicia v ryung was a good game to watch with good play from both players, but honestly crappy ending.

terran won close battle after battle after battle... then protoss wins 1 battle and it's GG instantaneously. really seems like if both players play the same level - protoss wins 90%. terran player always have to outplay to have a realistic chance of winning.

the current state of PvT weirdness is depressing to watch imo. i can't remember the last time i saw a terran beat a protoss without the protoss player making a gigantic mistake.
Sitinte
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States499 Posts
July 21 2012 02:38 GMT
#3017
On July 21 2012 11:35 SayGen wrote:
Honestly don't know who would win Steph or Alicia. I think it would be split win 2-1.


Going off recent results... Stephano dismantled Alicia, 4-0 in NASL. It was almost like watching a 2010/early 2011 GSL final.
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
July 21 2012 02:38 GMT
#3018
Should've had a spore there.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13426 Posts
July 21 2012 02:38 GMT
#3019
Awesome job DTs to get away, great job.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
YoucriedWolf
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
July 21 2012 02:39 GMT
#3020
0.1 sec before the inject kicks in
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