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On July 19 2012 21:00 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 20:59 Heavenlee wrote:On July 19 2012 20:55 Mozdk wrote:On July 19 2012 20:51 fcb10 wrote:
omg... is stephano.. the best player in the world? No You are not the best because you beat the best. A no-name who beasts flash isn't the best. Browns are not the best because they beat Giants and Denmark is not the best soccer team in the world because they beat Spain. Determining who is the best is all about consistency. Stephano has proven he is currently the best Z outside Korea imo. Nothing more than that. Agreed. This community is so fickle. Even if someone is 70% favored to win, he can even get 3-0'd...it's just the way it works, no one is guaranteed a victory just by being the better player in any sport. There is always a factor of mind games, luck, getting hardcountered, one of the people having a bad day, etc. That's why it gets somewhat frustrating to hear someone declare a player the best in the world. MC v Stephano could have been a 4-2 the other way around if MC had a slightly better composition in game 1 versus the mass ling remax, and if he hadn't been caught in a bad position after being up 20 workers in the game on Ohana, yet people are saying MC got "crushed" in that series as if Stephano just completely outclassed him in every way. Fantasy 3-0ing Flash. Rerember anyone???
I think so.. it's pretty vague.
So long ago.. hmm.. I think I need to rest.
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On July 19 2012 21:00 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 20:59 Mozdk wrote:On July 19 2012 20:58 Fusilero wrote:On July 19 2012 20:57 Mozdk wrote:On July 19 2012 20:55 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On July 19 2012 20:54 Havik_ wrote:
Stephano ZvP?? Better than DRG right now. Could Stephano possibly be the next Zerg bonjwa?! o.O I think so guys OMFG First he actually has to dominate with 80%+ winrate for 2+ years... in Korea. So what does he need. Well he needs better winrate... He needs it IN KOREA... and he needs, oh that's right 2 years... Meaning 0% Bonjwa. Jeez such a comment is stupid. Are you Romanian? No why. You can look up to see where I am from. Danish by origin, Romanian by heart
What is with these Romanian jokes I keep hearing on this site?
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On July 19 2012 21:01 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:00 FakeDeath wrote:On July 19 2012 20:59 Heavenlee wrote:On July 19 2012 20:55 Mozdk wrote:On July 19 2012 20:51 fcb10 wrote:
omg... is stephano.. the best player in the world? No You are not the best because you beat the best. A no-name who beasts flash isn't the best. Browns are not the best because they beat Giants and Denmark is not the best soccer team in the world because they beat Spain. Determining who is the best is all about consistency. Stephano has proven he is currently the best Z outside Korea imo. Nothing more than that. Agreed. This community is so fickle. Even if someone is 70% favored to win, he can even get 3-0'd...it's just the way it works, no one is guaranteed a victory just by being the better player in any sport. There is always a factor of mind games, luck, getting hardcountered, one of the people having a bad day, etc. That's why it gets somewhat frustrating to hear someone declare a player the best in the world. MC v Stephano could have been a 4-2 the other way around if MC had a slightly better composition in game 1 versus the mass ling remax, and if he hadn't been caught in a bad position after being up 20 workers in the game on Ohana, yet people are saying MC got "crushed" in that series as if Stephano just completely outclassed him in every way. Fantasy 3-0ing Flash. Rerember anyone??? How far can you be from truth? Flash was having signs of weakness. His achievements in TvT 2 years prior were worth nothing. Capish?
Did you even watched the games?
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you shouldnt count drg out. anitga is a good map for zerg as well as whirlwind and on metropolis it's not that hard to hold 3 base pushes.
also stop the stephano best zvp shit... nasl had a terrible mappool for protoss. protoss was basically forced to do 2 base all ins on 3-4 out of 8 maps. stephano obviously has one of the best pvz in the world but you cant make a judgement based on the nasl match.
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GO GO MC!!! FINISH HIM!!!!
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On July 19 2012 20:58 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 20:56 SKYFISH_ wrote:
I don't know what is wrong with you people, MC is easily the best Protoss and this is the RO4....did you guys honestly expect him to go down 0-3 to DRG just like that?
reminds me of last season when people were saying MVP doesnt stand a chance to make it past RO8
lol
Losing to two foreingers just before you play the best zerg in the world is not really giving anyone an optimism. Its not like he throwed out the games there(10k and 30k for 1st places), he looked totally clueless vs foreigners in bo5 and bo7. So tell me what gave you this foresight? BECAUSE ITS GSL ok, i get it.
Exactly because it is the GSL, the most prestigious SC2 tournament in the world.
You have to be mad to think MC is not going to be super prepared for this match - no jet lag, no unfamiliar surroundings, bigger prize pool.
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On July 19 2012 21:00 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 20:59 Heavenlee wrote:On July 19 2012 20:55 Mozdk wrote:On July 19 2012 20:51 fcb10 wrote:
omg... is stephano.. the best player in the world? No You are not the best because you beat the best. A no-name who beasts flash isn't the best. Browns are not the best because they beat Giants and Denmark is not the best soccer team in the world because they beat Spain. Determining who is the best is all about consistency. Stephano has proven he is currently the best Z outside Korea imo. Nothing more than that. Agreed. This community is so fickle. Even if someone is 70% favored to win, he can even get 3-0'd...it's just the way it works, no one is guaranteed a victory just by being the better player in any sport. There is always a factor of mind games, luck, getting hardcountered, one of the people having a bad day, etc. That's why it gets somewhat frustrating to hear someone declare a player the best in the world. MC v Stephano could have been a 4-2 the other way around if MC had a slightly better composition in game 1 versus the mass ling remax, and if he hadn't been caught in a bad position after being up 20 workers in the game on Ohana, yet people are saying MC got "crushed" in that series as if Stephano just completely outclassed him in every way. Fantasy 3-0ing Flash. Rerember anyone???
Well I bet Fantajii to win that match, just based on how they looked before hand. Fanta didn't show up to PL for a while to prepare for it. And iirc Flash played a terrible TvT against a super mediocre player days before the semis, so I definitely saw Fanta winning it.
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Antiga, hmmm
I'm seeing a 3-0
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On July 19 2012 20:59 tomatriedes wrote:
DRG would crush Stephano in ZvZ.
No he wouldnt.
They played ZvZ before, crushing did not happen.
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On July 19 2012 21:00 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 20:59 Gladiator333 wrote:On July 19 2012 20:58 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 20:56 Darkthorn wrote:
If MC wins vs DRG, the finals will probably be won by Seed because IM won't help MC at all even though they have a partnership. I cant remember when MC lost a PvP in important match. I have seen Seed play PvP and it's really good, but so is MC. I think it can go either way, but I expect to see hallucinations! :D MC beat Seed convincingly in Up/Downs, but it was a Bo1 on Dual Sight and MC made a hidden Nexus.
Say what you want but since the partnership I am fairly sure the IM players have a lot of replays again MC which can be studied just my oppinion but we will see.
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It would seriously blow my mind if MC bet everything on the GSL and showed bad games on purpose vZ or something. 99% not true and it sounds absolutely crazy, but still, sort of fun to consider.
MC, CLOSE IT OUT!
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On July 19 2012 20:58 Embir wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 20:49 Derez wrote:On July 19 2012 20:48 Kpaxlol wrote:
So, really. Stephano best ZvP atm ? You can't be best anything in SC2 without playing the GSL. I say bullshit. There is a lot of big tournaments in the world ATM and this is a beauty of SC2. Who says you need to win GSL to be relevant? Stephano is the best proof of this. It is actually really uncomfortable for foreigners to start in GSL, add to this cultural and language barriers and I would say there is nothing wrong for them to stay in Europe and play in local tournaments. For me GSL is just another good, big tournament next to MLG and Dreamhack - and results from these two are for me as important as for GSL.
I think he means you can't be considered the best until you show your stuff in the GSL, no other tournament really allows you to prepare for your match ups like the GSL. Other tournaments are crammed into just a few days and the winner can be decided by just who has a "bad day". Plus it is also widely accepted that the Koreans are the best at this game overall, and with the GSL having so many top level koreans it is considered the hardest tournament to win, therefore you can't really be called the best until you have GSL results.
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Wow did DRG look slumped and 'given up' in the booth there.
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I miss those razer apm headsets
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On July 19 2012 21:03 sibs wrote:No he wouldnt. They played ZvZ before, crushing did not happen.
That was last year and a bo1, the results of that game don't mean anything really.
we would have to see the match to find out.
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How does every thread end up about Stephano. He must be pretty good eh
MC, finish this! It's election season baby
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On July 19 2012 21:02 ShoWTimE94 wrote:
you shouldnt count drg out. anitga is a good map for zerg as well as whirlwind and on metropolis it's not that hard to hold 3 base pushes.
also stop the stephano best zvp shit... nasl had a terrible mappool for protoss. protoss was basically forced to do 2 base all ins on 3-4 out of 8 maps. stephano obviously has one of the best pvz in the world but you cant make a judgement based on the nasl match.
Antiga better for P and T, Whirlwind surprisingly balanced and bad for BL, Metropolis is... ok
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Now IdrA is out of the picture you can't read a discussion in any LR thread without it circlejerking to Stephano -_-.
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On July 19 2012 21:03 Aerisky wrote:
It would seriously blow my mind if MC bet everything on the GSL and showed bad games on purpose vZ or something. 99% not true and it sounds absolutely crazy, but still, sort of fun to consider.
MC, CLOSE IT OUT!
MC probably just assumed he'd win a tournament this month. Then he lost the two foreign ones and suddenly he was like "wtf? Oh man guess I better win GSL then. Been a month since I won something now"
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