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leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
July 14 2012 22:20 GMT
#5341
wtf 1000 gas huk?
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
July 14 2012 22:20 GMT
#5342
On July 15 2012 07:10 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 07:08 setzer wrote:
On July 15 2012 07:03 Benjamin99 wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:59 JJH777 wrote:
The gap is still just as big NASL koreans are just weak. Look at IPL4 and the MLG championships.


There are only very few Europeans in those tournaments and they done amasing. I dont get you point. Last MLG we had 2 EU players in top 5 and they had better win ratio vs the koreans

Im not saying there isnt a gap but its getting smaller and smaller every month and more and more foreigner players is going pro



Conversely more and more Koreans are leaving their teams and practice environments.

However, if one looks at actual results over the period of this year it can be concluded that there is still a huge skill gap which foreign professional players acknowled. Maybe the gap is closing some but that can only be determined after a longer period of time than the last couple of months foreigners began winning a few tournaments.


I disagree look at results the last 6 months and you can see a drastic improvements from June/july last year


Premier Events top4:

HSC IV: top 4 Koreans; MC won
IEM Kiev: 2 Koreans, 3 total entered; MMA won
Sao Paolo: 3 Koreans top4; Violet won
Assembly Winter: 3/4 Koreans; Polt won
MLG Winter Arena: 3/4 Koreans; MKP won
Iron Squid: no foreigner made live event; MMA won
IEM WC: 3/4 Koreans; MC won
MLG Winter Championship: 3/4 Koreans; MKP won
IPL4: top4 Koreans; Alive won
DH Stock: 2/4 Koreans; Thorzain won (first foreign winner in premier tournament listings)
MLG Spring Arena 2: 3/4 Koreans; Violet won
MLG Spring Championship: 3/4 Koreans; DRG won
DH Summer: 0/4 Koreans; best overall event for foreigners; Mana won
HSC V: 3/4 Koreans, Nerchio won

So please show me statistics from the last 6 months that show drastic improvements for foreigners. I didn't even include the many smaller tournament wins Koreans have dominated nor GSL.
FloKi
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1490 Posts
July 14 2012 22:20 GMT
#5343
i cant watch! :/
Where do whores go?
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
July 14 2012 22:20 GMT
#5344
way too many colossi for alicia
can i get my estro logo back pls
GunPaladin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1205 Posts
July 14 2012 22:20 GMT
#5345
On July 15 2012 06:57 Flonomenalz wrote:
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On July 15 2012 06:56 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:53 Flonomenalz wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:51 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:43 GunPaladin wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:40 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:34 mrtomjones wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:33 SarcasmMonster wrote:
The skill gap between KOR and EU is virtually nonexistant.

lol it is very existant.

Sick crowd there!

not anymore dude.

Koreans used to CRUSH foreigners a year ago, nowadays you don't see it anymore as most of the games are so close it can go either way (ofc unless theres some gimmicky unscouted all-in).

Rest of the world has caught up with Koreans even though they still practice significantly less. Just goes to show you how low the skill ceiling is in sc2 compared to BW since anyone can beat anyone at the highest level.

Why do people keep saying this? Koreans are still dominating whether you wanna admit it or not. One tournament won't change that.


Remember the time when whenever say 6 Koreans would be invited to foreign tourneys they would take top 6 in convincing fashion?

Those days are long gone and instead of the gap increasing (which is what logically should happen when koreans practice so much more and are much more dedicated) it has decreased and is still decreasing way too fast.

There's no "domination" anymore, it's just who plays better and who's luckier on a given day.

Lol the gap is getting closer... but it's still very much there. Don't delude yourself... lol

GO ALICIA!

keep telling yourself that, just don't be surprised if Stephano or Ret win NASL (which would have NEVER happened a year ago)

Stephano and Ret are among the best of the best foreigners right now. The best foreigners have always been able to compete against the best of Koreans. The issue is, the LARGER majority of Koreans can stomp the LARGER majority of foreigners.

That's always been the issue.

On July 15 2012 06:57 Al Bundy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:56 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:53 Flonomenalz wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:51 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:43 GunPaladin wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:40 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:34 mrtomjones wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:33 SarcasmMonster wrote:
The skill gap between KOR and EU is virtually nonexistant.

lol it is very existant.

Sick crowd there!

not anymore dude.

Koreans used to CRUSH foreigners a year ago, nowadays you don't see it anymore as most of the games are so close it can go either way (ofc unless theres some gimmicky unscouted all-in).

Rest of the world has caught up with Koreans even though they still practice significantly less. Just goes to show you how low the skill ceiling is in sc2 compared to BW since anyone can beat anyone at the highest level.

Why do people keep saying this? Koreans are still dominating whether you wanna admit it or not. One tournament won't change that.


Remember the time when whenever say 6 Koreans would be invited to foreign tourneys they would take top 6 in convincing fashion?

Those days are long gone and instead of the gap increasing (which is what logically should happen when koreans practice so much more and are much more dedicated) it has decreased and is still decreasing way too fast.

There's no "domination" anymore, it's just who plays better and who's luckier on a given day.

Lol the gap is getting closer... but it's still very much there. Don't delude yourself... lol

GO ALICIA!

keep telling yourself that, just don't be surprised if Stephano or Ret win NASL (which would have NEVER happened a year ago)

Look, you got the best foreigners vs average koreans (besides MC). You can't really draw conclusions from that.

exactly. It's all about consistency, koreans have a higher rate of it is all.
The doctors gave me 9 months to live, ]BIG[ gave me a life time.
Pyre
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1940 Posts
July 14 2012 22:21 GMT
#5346
poor huk
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32742 Posts
July 14 2012 22:21 GMT
#5347
And Alicia takes it.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
aznball123
Profile Joined February 2012
2759 Posts
July 14 2012 22:21 GMT
#5348
sooo laggggggy don't know what is going on~~
Mmm, what to watch.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
July 14 2012 22:21 GMT
#5349
welp, 3-0

very deserved
Wafflelisk
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada1061 Posts
July 14 2012 22:21 GMT
#5350
This is the worst day in the history of ever
Waffles > Pancakes
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
July 14 2012 22:21 GMT
#5351
bad engagement by huk, so sad with the 3-0 loss
IM & EG supporter
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38256 Posts
July 14 2012 22:21 GMT
#5352
Poor Huk.

Getting completely humiliated in front of your home crowd can't be fun.
artosismermaid
Profile Joined May 2011
213 Posts
July 14 2012 22:21 GMT
#5353
top 300 control
Lennient
Profile Joined January 2012
497 Posts
July 14 2012 22:21 GMT
#5354
go Alicia, smash him
Highcounsel
Profile Joined March 2011
United States132 Posts
July 14 2012 22:21 GMT
#5355
Wow this was just sad...
Aegeis
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1619 Posts
July 14 2012 22:21 GMT
#5356
3-0 The pride of Canada has lost
"Skills to pay the bills" - Artosis, https://twitter.com/AegeisSC2 ,http://www.tumblr.com/blog/socal-esports
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
July 14 2012 22:21 GMT
#5357
hmm.. not looking good for Huk, down 70 to 108 supply
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
July 14 2012 22:21 GMT
#5358
Omg this is so sad.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
bikefrog
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway451 Posts
July 14 2012 22:21 GMT
#5359
Poor HuK...
Foreigners fighting! Ovethrow our Korean overlords!
Rockafella
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom291 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-14 22:21:31
July 14 2012 22:21 GMT
#5360
Oh HuK..
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