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On July 15 2012 07:03 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 06:59 JJH777 wrote:
The gap is still just as big NASL koreans are just weak. Look at IPL4 and the MLG championships. There are only very few Europeans in those tournaments and they done amasing. I dont get you point. Last MLG we had 2 EU players in top 5 and they had better win ratio vs the koreans Im not saying there isnt a gap but its getting smaller and smaller every month and more and more foreigner players is going pro
Conversely more and more Koreans are leaving their teams and practice environments.
However, if one looks at actual results over the period of this year it can be concluded that there is still a huge skill gap which foreign professional players acknowled. Maybe the gap is closing some but that can only be determined after a longer period of time than the last couple of months foreigners began winning a few tournaments.
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On July 15 2012 06:57 Al Bundy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 06:56 Poisonblack wrote:On July 15 2012 06:53 Flonomenalz wrote:On July 15 2012 06:51 Poisonblack wrote:On July 15 2012 06:43 GunPaladin wrote:On July 15 2012 06:40 Poisonblack wrote:On July 15 2012 06:34 mrtomjones wrote:On July 15 2012 06:33 SarcasmMonster wrote:
The skill gap between KOR and EU is virtually nonexistant. lol it is very existant. Sick crowd there! not anymore dude. Koreans used to CRUSH foreigners a year ago, nowadays you don't see it anymore as most of the games are so close it can go either way (ofc unless theres some gimmicky unscouted all-in). Rest of the world has caught up with Koreans even though they still practice significantly less. Just goes to show you how low the skill ceiling is in sc2 compared to BW since anyone can beat anyone at the highest level. Why do people keep saying this? Koreans are still dominating whether you wanna admit it or not. One tournament won't change that. Remember the time when whenever say 6 Koreans would be invited to foreign tourneys they would take top 6 in convincing fashion? Those days are long gone and instead of the gap increasing (which is what logically should happen when koreans practice so much more and are much more dedicated) it has decreased and is still decreasing way too fast. There's no "domination" anymore, it's just who plays better and who's luckier on a given day. Lol the gap is getting closer... but it's still very much there. Don't delude yourself... lol GO ALICIA! keep telling yourself that, just don't be surprised if Stephano or Ret win NASL (which would have NEVER happened a year ago) Look, you got the best foreigners vs average koreans (besides MC). You can't really draw conclusions from that.
I'm not drawing any conclusions from NASL, it's just a trend that's happening .. a year ago the 'average' koreans used to dominate foreign tourneys against some of the best foreigners, always picking up top 3/5/6 literally depending on the number of koreans entering, it was total domination.
Nowadays you have to admit that it's nothing like that anymore.
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I know ret advanced, but what about the other 2 matches? Have they been played yet? Is the OP just a terrible slacker and hasn't updated?
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On July 15 2012 07:07 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 07:05 shabby wrote:On July 15 2012 07:03 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 15 2012 06:59 JJH777 wrote:
The gap is still just as big NASL koreans are just weak. Look at IPL4 and the MLG championships. There are only very few Europeans in those tournaments and they done amasing. I dont get you point. Last MLG we had 2 EU players in top 5 and they had better win ratio vs the koreans Im not saying there isnt a gap but its getting smaller and smaller every month and more and more foreigner players is going pro I think you are confused because there are a few very good foreigners, but the overall gap is still huge. Imagine a tournament with top 50 koreans and top 50 europeans in it. Pulling numbers out of my ass i'd wager on something like 13 koreans in ro16. We're talking about pros, there are less Eu pros than there are Kor ones. The average skill may even be in favor of Eu pros considering the amount of poor Kor pros. a top 30 Kor is a pro but a top30 Eu is not a pro.
Sure, make it 20 from each then, there are surely more than 20 pro europeans. It would be a slaughter house vs top 20 koreans.
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Is HuK really that affected by the pressure of defending his home country's pride, or just being outplayed by Alicia?
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On July 15 2012 07:04 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 07:03 Flonomenalz wrote:On July 15 2012 07:01 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 15 2012 06:57 Al Bundy wrote:On July 15 2012 06:56 Poisonblack wrote:On July 15 2012 06:53 Flonomenalz wrote:On July 15 2012 06:51 Poisonblack wrote:On July 15 2012 06:43 GunPaladin wrote:On July 15 2012 06:40 Poisonblack wrote:On July 15 2012 06:34 mrtomjones wrote:
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lol it is very existant.
Sick crowd there! not anymore dude. Koreans used to CRUSH foreigners a year ago, nowadays you don't see it anymore as most of the games are so close it can go either way (ofc unless theres some gimmicky unscouted all-in). Rest of the world has caught up with Koreans even though they still practice significantly less. Just goes to show you how low the skill ceiling is in sc2 compared to BW since anyone can beat anyone at the highest level. Why do people keep saying this? Koreans are still dominating whether you wanna admit it or not. One tournament won't change that. Remember the time when whenever say 6 Koreans would be invited to foreign tourneys they would take top 6 in convincing fashion? Those days are long gone and instead of the gap increasing (which is what logically should happen when koreans practice so much more and are much more dedicated) it has decreased and is still decreasing way too fast. There's no "domination" anymore, it's just who plays better and who's luckier on a given day. Lol the gap is getting closer... but it's still very much there. Don't delude yourself... lol GO ALICIA! keep telling yourself that, just don't be surprised if Stephano or Ret win NASL (which would have NEVER happened a year ago) Look, you got the best foreigners vs average koreans (besides MC). You can't really draw conclusions from that. Calling Alicia/puzzle and Hero average koreans is laughable Didn't you know? Any Korean not named DRG/Nestea/MVP/MMA/MC is average. Alicia/Puzzle/Hero are all in Code A or Code B right now.... Meaning they are not top 32 koreans and in Alicia's case not even top 72. They are average.
Ur really retarded if u dont think puzzle is top32 korean, he's slayers ACE player and slayer is at least top4 team in KR. how can u say he's average, lol? everything isn't about making code S ro8 every season, sigh.
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On July 15 2012 07:07 Shackadeemus wrote:HuK joins EG and now he looks like such an average player 
it's called EG Curse for a reason
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On July 15 2012 07:07 shabby wrote:
Oh well, at least this means we get MC Stephano before it gets too late in EU!
Agreed. Alicia, make it quick!
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I just hope Huk has been practicing and trying to get back into form, as long as he is trying thats all one can ask, but if the eg frat house rumours are true then he deserves to be embarassed like this in front of his home crowd.
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On July 15 2012 07:09 Joedaddy wrote:
I know ret advanced, but what about the other 2 matches? Have they been played yet? Is the OP just a terrible slacker and hasn't updated?
MC obliterated PuMa, Stephano smacked HerO down and Ret beat Puzzle down.
I chose those verbs carefully.
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Can anybody tell me if there will be vods? gonna fall asleep and miss the semi finals i think
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Sad to see HuK doing so badly, I wish he did well in front of the Canadian crowd.
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someone give Huk a Beaver Buzz!!!!
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On July 15 2012 07:09 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Is HuK really that affected by the pressure of defending his home country's pride, or just being outplayed by Alicia?
He's just being outplayed. Alicia has always been a decent to very good PvPer throughout his career. He even beat MC during the 4gate era
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On July 15 2012 07:09 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Is HuK really that affected by the pressure of defending his home country's pride, or just being outplayed by Alicia?
He didn't look too hot in the TSL qualifiers either.
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On July 15 2012 07:07 anrimayu wrote:
Idea of using pylon to narrow down the ramp was brilliant.
walls vs zealot/archon are super standard and everyone does it.
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On July 15 2012 07:09 SoulOnIce wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 07:07 Shackadeemus wrote:HuK joins EG and now he looks like such an average player it's called EG Curse for a reason
Well he got a lot of money for a 'curse'.Only fair i say.
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On July 15 2012 07:09 skrotcyk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 07:04 JJH777 wrote:On July 15 2012 07:03 Flonomenalz wrote:On July 15 2012 07:01 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 15 2012 06:57 Al Bundy wrote:On July 15 2012 06:56 Poisonblack wrote:On July 15 2012 06:53 Flonomenalz wrote:On July 15 2012 06:51 Poisonblack wrote:On July 15 2012 06:43 GunPaladin wrote:On July 15 2012 06:40 Poisonblack wrote:
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not anymore dude.
Koreans used to CRUSH foreigners a year ago, nowadays you don't see it anymore as most of the games are so close it can go either way (ofc unless theres some gimmicky unscouted all-in).
Rest of the world has caught up with Koreans even though they still practice significantly less. Just goes to show you how low the skill ceiling is in sc2 compared to BW since anyone can beat anyone at the highest level. Why do people keep saying this? Koreans are still dominating whether you wanna admit it or not. One tournament won't change that. Remember the time when whenever say 6 Koreans would be invited to foreign tourneys they would take top 6 in convincing fashion? Those days are long gone and instead of the gap increasing (which is what logically should happen when koreans practice so much more and are much more dedicated) it has decreased and is still decreasing way too fast. There's no "domination" anymore, it's just who plays better and who's luckier on a given day. Lol the gap is getting closer... but it's still very much there. Don't delude yourself... lol GO ALICIA! keep telling yourself that, just don't be surprised if Stephano or Ret win NASL (which would have NEVER happened a year ago) Look, you got the best foreigners vs average koreans (besides MC). You can't really draw conclusions from that. Calling Alicia/puzzle and Hero average koreans is laughable Didn't you know? Any Korean not named DRG/Nestea/MVP/MMA/MC is average. Alicia/Puzzle/Hero are all in Code A or Code B right now.... Meaning they are not top 32 koreans and in Alicia's case not even top 72. They are average. Ur really retarded if u dont think puzzle is top32 korean, he's slayers ACE player and slayer is at least top4 team in KR. how can u say he's average, lol? everything isn't about making code S ro8 every season, sigh.
DRG was below average before he got his Code S seed too, haven't you heard?
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On July 15 2012 07:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 07:06 Killmouse wrote:i think the top foreigns are as good as top koreans  This has been the most truthful statement concerning skill level in the whole thread. (not entirely true, but better than everything else mentioned)
I agree. Quite like the canadian hockey team. Sure swedens best is, more or less, as good and is able to beat them but the Canadians could probably muster up another 5 teams who are just as good.
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