Hello everyone! This is the official thread for the one and only American Satellite for our next LIVE event, IGN Pro League 5! The top 8 of this Satellite will earn qualification for the live event. There will only be one Satellite for America, one for Europe, and one for Asia. Each player may only participate in one of the American, European, or Asian Satellites. There will be one additional Amateur Satellite that will be open to players with minimal previous tournament earnings.
Unfortunately, we are not yet able to announce the date or location of our live event. All we can tell you is that it is coming up soon and these qualifiers were scheduled in a way that ensures that we have time for travel preparations to be made. If for any reason, a player who qualifies in these online qualifiers cannot make the trip to our live event, their registration fee will be refunded and we will use the Regional results to determine who will receive the free travel, hotel, and tournament seed instead. For Satellites, we will use results to determine who will qualify in their place.
American Satellite: Saturday, Jul 14 7:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) You can register any time before midnight Pacific time on Thursday, July 12th. There is no entry fee.
The link for the American Satellite on July 14th is: CLOSED Please only register with your North American account.
The Format!
Players should be online and ready to play within 30 minutes of the event's start time. Please be aware that these qualifiers can and will take a lot of time. Forfeits and walkovers will be used if needed. Each round is best of 3, with start maps labeled on the bracket. Players may be asked to wait to begin a series so that their match can be broadcast.
Servers: All games will be played on the North American server.
Spectators Rule: No observers/spectators are allowed for these games. IGN Pro League admins and casters may make games for players to help things run smoother and either referee or cast the matches.
Map Pool IPLMap Sanshorn Mists AE IPLMap Atlantis Spaceship IPLMap Antiga Shipyard IPLMap Daybreak IPLMap Tal'Darim Altar LE IPLMap Cloud Kingdom IPLMap Metropolis IPLMap Ohana IPLMap Entombed Valley
*All of our maps can be found easily by searching "IPLMap" when creating a game on NA (uploaded by VTMirhi), Europe, and Korea. Please use the IPLMap versions for every game to ensure consistency.
Casters These matches will be cast by our community casters: JoRoSaR, Adebisi, Jmorrow, and SchAmToo all day!
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On July 13 2012 03:03 Crucius wrote: That's pretty short notice too...
No they said sign up ANY TIME In the next 13 hours
Guys, signups have been open for 2 months now. I emailed every prominent team manager several times about every one of these. This is not short notice.
Surely you would think to reconsider considering two major SC2 events, including your competitor's playoffs are this weekend? NASL has some great players competiting, and they won't be able to compete and qualify at the same time :S
I don't understand the outrage when these were announced months ago. Especially complaining about EU qual dates overlapping arena when they were announced a loooong time before arena was. There's probably a better way to do this (weekdays) but it shouldn't be a sudden shock given how long ago these dates were announced.
I think satellites need to be on weekends because they're the equivalent of IPL's open brackets, but why schedule it this weekend and the next instead of the last two? Those had way less tournaments.
On July 13 2012 03:21 Azarkon wrote: I think satellites need to be on weekends because they're the equivalent of IPL's open brackets, but why this weekend and not the last two? Those had way less tournaments.
Two weeks ago were internation regional, week after the Amateur regional. Their schedule have been up since 16 of may so cant really complain about late notice
On July 13 2012 03:21 Azarkon wrote: I think satellites need to be on weekends because they're the equivalent of IPL's open brackets, but why this weekend and not the last two? Those had way less tournaments.
Two weeks ago were internation region, week after the amateure regional. Their schedule have been up since 16 of may so cant really complain about late notice
I know the dates were set way in advance, but the dates for the NASL finals and MLG Summer Arena were also known in advance. Isn't there room for flexibility? I don't want to an IPL in which there is a dearth of top players because they failed to play in the satellites.
On July 13 2012 03:19 iNcontroL wrote: Ah next weekend for eu... Same time as Mlg arena? So some top euros will be excluded as well if I am not mistaken?
The Arena was announced a full month after our Satellites as well. Events overlap, it can't be helped. MLG has their schedule, NASL has their schedule, and we have ours. It's unfortunate that busy players can't play in everything, but on the other side of the coin, some new or unexpected players may be able to see some success. We are grateful that IdrA and yourself would like to participate in this Satellite, but StarCraft tournaments are a very busy space right now.
On July 13 2012 03:23 Solis_au wrote: Why not just have it during the week days? TSL4 qualifiers seem to be doing pretty well going that route.
It's a no entry fee open bracket replacement. They want maximum participation from amateurs and pros who attend school. It's better to hold it during the weekend for those players, but weekends conflict with tournaments for a lot of the established career pros.
On July 13 2012 03:23 Solis_au wrote: Why not just have it during the week days? TSL4 qualifiers seem to be doing pretty well going that route.
It's a no entry fee open bracket replacement. They want maximum participation from amateurs and pros who attend school. It's better to hold it during the weekend for those players, but weekends conflict with tournaments for a lot of the established pros.
Who is in school right now? Work yea maybe... but not many progamers have jobs other than you know, sc2
On July 13 2012 03:23 Solis_au wrote: Why not just have it during the week days? TSL4 qualifiers seem to be doing pretty well going that route.
It's a no entry fee open bracket replacement. They want maximum participation from amateurs and pros who attend school. It's better to hold it during the weekend for those players, but weekends conflict with tournaments for a lot of the established pros.
Who is in school right now? Work yea maybe... but not many progamers have jobs other than you know, sc2
Summer school? Graduate school?
A lot of NA / EU pros have to make ends met by other jobs.
On July 13 2012 03:19 iNcontroL wrote: Ah next weekend for eu... Same time as Mlg arena? So some top euros will be excluded as well if I am not mistaken?
The Arena was announced a full month after our Satellites as well. Events overlap, it can't be helped. MLG has their schedule, NASL has their schedule, and we have ours. It's unfortunate that busy players can't play in everything, but on the other side of the coin, some new or unexpected players may be able to see some success. We are grateful that IdrA and yourself would like to participate in this Satellite, but StarCraft tournaments are a very busy space right now.
Even so, you didn't do anything when the events were announced, you didn't try to re-arrange or cater for players. It sounds like you were just "we got the date first, not our fault", even though it makes your event worse.
And then teams, Why didn't EG or any other team know of these conflicts, given that everything was announced far in advance, they only come out now and speak about "short notice". Everything just feels so sloppy and unprofessional.
The best course of action for IPL was to avoid both and to delay this until after MLG Summer Arena. But given that they're in competition with MLG, I understand why they don't want to back off when MLG announced their dates later. But NASL - NASL came first, it's logical to avoid that date.
Hope some of ROOT sign up. With the top 8 qualifying I think there will be a good chance of some of the lesser known talent making their mark and snagging a spot in IPL5.
IPL just getting worse and worse in my opinion. Terrible scheduling, terrible announcements. Why could this thread not have been made a month ago? Better early than late, as in with 13 hours to go.
Seriously, AskJoshy, give me a valid reason why you waited until now to post this thread.
On July 13 2012 03:39 Dexington wrote: IPL just getting worse and worse in my opinion. Terrible scheduling, terrible announcements. Why could this thread not have been made a month ago? Better early than late, as in with 13 hours to go.
Seriously, AskJoshy, give me a valid reason why you waited until now to post this thread.
On July 13 2012 03:39 Dexington wrote: IPL just getting worse and worse in my opinion. Terrible scheduling, terrible announcements. Why could this thread not have been made a month ago? Better early than late, as in with 13 hours to go.
Seriously, AskJoshy, give me a valid reason why you waited until now to post this thread.
On July 13 2012 03:39 Dexington wrote: IPL just getting worse and worse in my opinion. Terrible scheduling, terrible announcements. Why could this thread not have been made a month ago? Better early than late, as in with 13 hours to go.
Seriously, AskJoshy, give me a valid reason why you waited until now to post this thread.
On July 13 2012 03:39 Dexington wrote: IPL just getting worse and worse in my opinion. Terrible scheduling, terrible announcements. Why could this thread not have been made a month ago? Better early than late, as in with 13 hours to go.
Seriously, AskJoshy, give me a valid reason why you waited until now to post this thread.
On July 13 2012 03:39 Dexington wrote: IPL just getting worse and worse in my opinion. Terrible scheduling, terrible announcements. Why could this thread not have been made a month ago? Better early than late, as in with 13 hours to go.
Seriously, AskJoshy, give me a valid reason why you waited until now to post this thread.
Yes, there is an announcement thread with the links in there. That doesn't answer my question.
Why not make this thread a month ago? Clearly players needed more reminding.
To add to this, players are not only training, but they have a lot of tournament dates to remember. So the more reminders, the better.
Isnt reminding players as well as signing them up a managers responsibility? I always see Xeris from Light asking if Golden and Kawaii are registered because he signs them up. Clearly bigger teams also have people who do this right? or at least they should have someone because obviously players cant handle it themselves.
I think this is just pure hating on IPL they announced when they planned their qualifiers, they cant adjust to all schedules. We have seen tourneys overlap before not a big deal.
On July 13 2012 03:39 Dexington wrote: IPL just getting worse and worse in my opinion. Terrible scheduling, terrible announcements. Why could this thread not have been made a month ago? Better early than late, as in with 13 hours to go.
Seriously, AskJoshy, give me a valid reason why you waited until now to post this thread.
Yes, there is an announcement thread with the links in there. That doesn't answer my question.
Why not make this thread a month ago? Clearly players needed more reminding.
This thread here is more for casuals and viewers and not the pros attending I think. You can expect that the big teams will know of these schedules. IPL is not really to blame here. I don't even know if the cooperation of WCS Canada with NASL has been annouced when IPL made their schedule, it is unfortunate but such things happen Edit: I just looked at the NASL site and it seems that they annouced their dates one day after IPL.
You know - the conflict between NASL and IPL is one thing. They are competing leagues, etc. It still really sucks of course. But having your NA qualifier as the same time as WCS Canada? You're excluding a large chunk of NA players!
I dont understand why IPL thinks MLG or NASL would worry about scheduling in conflict with a Satellite, and why they think players would chose to not go to a major lan for it.
On July 13 2012 03:52 Thrax wrote: You know - the conflict between NASL and IPL is one thing. They are competing leagues, etc. It still really sucks of course. But having your NA qualifier as the same time as WCS Canada? You're excluding a large chunk of NA players!
It's understandable that the dates conflicted with WCS because NASL didn't announce WCS Canada until later, but IPL needs to be flexible about this. Besides which, there are other ways to run a qualifiers than squeezing it all in one weekend and making it a one shot. Staggering the quals into different weekends - ala TSL 4 - is the best way to get maximum coverage from players. They have EIGHT spots to fill, and just taking the top 8 from one qualifier and having that qualifier happen during NASL and WCS Canada is ridiculous. You're going to get a lot of people who don't have the skills to be there this way - just because the pros are playing elsewhere.
On July 13 2012 04:00 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: I don't get why Idra and incontrol can't participate ? They're neither canadian nore playing the nasl playoffs.
On July 13 2012 04:00 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: I don't get why Idra and incontrol can't participate ? They're neither canadian nore playing the nasl playoffs.
They're casting for NASL. Unfortunate for them being players, but yeah.
On July 13 2012 04:00 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: I don't get why Idra and incontrol can't participate ? They're neither canadian nore playing the nasl playoffs.
They're casting NASL.
Hmm, I don't think progamers learn about this from TL posts, they should've been told by their team managers a long time ago, so the date of this thread is kinda irrelevant.
The only Satellite excluding half of the decent players due to scheduling is unlucky, even if the dates were announced beforehand, no one will drop out of WCS for this, so it's just a sign of bad scheduling to begin with to play qualifiers on week-ends and of a bad format if that's your only qualifier so you can only pray everyone is able to attend.
If you want the best players at your events, you should have been flexible about it. If you don't, I guess it's fine, but you have to accept that a lot of people will give you shit.
Nothing will change if the tournaments don't work together on their event scheduling and this won't happen as long as all the big NA tournaments are trying to establish themselves as the clear No. 1 event in North America and actively work against the competing leagues.
It's not like MLG for example is any better, their qualifiers conflicted with WCS and other things as well, just the outcry wasn't as big because no EG players were affected.
This is the reason why you need multiple qualifiers for your event. As soon as IPL saw the conflicts they should have changed date or switch into multiple satellites. Not doing anything is silly, but team managements should have already communicated these issues to IPL as well.
I'm kind of surprised that EG's management didn't inform their players of the qualifier date earlier.
Presumably, EG's player manager Evoli took note of the dates when they were first announced. Also, the IPL guys say that they've been keeping the various team managers informed about the various qualifiers as they approached.
On July 13 2012 03:19 iNcontroL wrote: Ah next weekend for eu... Same time as Mlg arena? So some top euros will be excluded as well if I am not mistaken?
The Arena was announced a full month after our Satellites as well. Events overlap, it can't be helped. MLG has their schedule, NASL has their schedule, and we have ours. It's unfortunate that busy players can't play in everything, but on the other side of the coin, some new or unexpected players may be able to see some success. We are grateful that IdrA and yourself would like to participate in this Satellite, but StarCraft tournaments are a very busy space right now.
It does create the question why not more tournaments run their qualifiers on weekdays like TSL has done.
On July 13 2012 03:52 Thrax wrote: You know - the conflict between NASL and IPL is one thing. They are competing leagues, etc. It still really sucks of course. But having your NA qualifier as the same time as WCS Canada? You're excluding a large chunk of NA players!
It's understandable that the dates conflicted with WCS because NASL didn't announce WCS Canada until very late, but IPL needs to be flexible about this. Besides which, there are other ways to run a qualifiers than squeezing it all in one weekend and making it a one shot. Staggering the quals into different weekends - ala TSL 4 - is the best way to get maximum coverage from players. They have EIGHT spots to fill, and just taking the top 8 from one qualifier and having that qualifier happen during NASL and WCS Canada is ridiculous.
Agreed. The conflict really isn't the issue, and it's even likely that it was caused by WCS Canada picking their date carelessly. What matters is how that conflict is then handled. When you realize your tournament conflicts with another tournament in a way that will hurt the caliber of your own event or otherwise affect it negatively, you need to do something about it. What has IPL done about this other than saying "sorry, better luck next time"? Did they even realize there was a conflict? Did they try to work out something with NASL/WCS? Did they contact team managers to notify them of the conflict?
On July 13 2012 04:05 MetaXelor wrote: I'm kind of surprised that EG's management didn't inform their players of the qualifier date earlier.
Presumably, EG's player manage Evoli took note of the dates when they were first announced. Also, the IPL guys say that they've been keeping the various team managers informed about the various qualifiers as they approached.
The conflicts of dates do suck, but I kind of agree with this. EG players seem blindsided by the dates, but it's up to the managers to inform the players of these things too. Xeris is one manager I always see making sure his players know about things like these or asking questions about them all the time.
On July 13 2012 04:00 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: I don't get why Idra and incontrol can't participate ? They're neither canadian nore playing the nasl playoffs.
Mm do they not have casting jobs at NASL? Easily more money, fun and team/sponsor exposure than getting stomped in IPL 5 bracket round 2 or 3.
Sad for the South Americans and Canadians playing in WCS though.
I 100% agree that the fact that it overlaps with so much; really sucks. However, how do we blame IPL for this? Weren't they the ones who announced this date first? Shouldn't the pitchforks be thrown up at other events that overlapped with IPL dates; rather than IPL?
That being said though, IPL your tournament is an online qualifier..your schedule should be a lot more flexible and I would suggest changing these dates slightly to better accomodate.
I don't understand why IPL events are all played throughout one day when there isn't a reason to rush them (the live event isn't announced yet?). There have been many tours that space out games and allow you to schedule a series with your opponents over a span of weeks. IPL doesn't even cast the qualifier games anyway, right?
edit: o u do.. well u can cast replays whatever lulz
IPL should not have to accomodate the other leagues, even though it's in their best interest to do so... but maybe they just don't care about NA players since koreans will win the thing anyway oo
On July 13 2012 04:37 KeyHunt wrote: I 100% agree that the fact that it overlaps with so much; really sucks. However, how do we blame IPL for this? Weren't they the ones who announced this date first? Shouldn't the pitchforks be thrown up at other events that overlapped with IPL dates; rather than IPL?
That being said though, IPL your tournament is an online qualifier..your schedule should be a lot more flexible and I would suggest changing these dates slightly to better accomodate.
I don't think IPL is to blame for the fact that it overlaps, but they should be more flexible for their own good, it only helps the player pool.
Setting dates for a qualifier is not a fire and forget thing, if you notice it doesn't work out as you wanted it to, you should be able to change it by all means.
If they had looked at the dates three or four weeks ago and said, "Oh, NASL and the Canadian WCS is at the same time, what can we do about it", they'd have found an easy solution. Now, it's pretty difficult and shit already hit the fan.
European Satellite next weekend conflicts with MLG Arena and WCS Ukraine/Russia. Early rescheduling could have avoided a lot of this, I still see no reason for it not to be on week days.
Is ipl retarded or just stubborn? Why wouldnt they change their qualifier dates when many of the top players from that region will be at other tournaments?
I dont ever remember receiving an email about satellige qualifiers. I got one in general awhile ago and one for the direct regionals , never any notice of satellite qualifiers however.
Pointing go a thread that few people saw posted in May isnt a justification. This is exposing huge format flaws in IPL, its like several events of poorly thought out formatting, I dont understand ghis at all.
I can almost guarsntee thst no team leader was contacted dirdctly on Skype about i
On July 13 2012 05:18 Xeris wrote: I dont ever remember receiving an email about satellige qualifiers. I got one in general awhile ago and one for the direct regionals , never any notice of satellite qualifiers however.
Pointing go a thread that few people saw posted in May isnt a justification. This is exposing huge format flaws in IPL, its like several events of poorly thought out formatting, I dont understand ghis at all.
I can almost guarsntee thst no team leader was contacted dirdctly on Skype about i
Yeah, these were announced at least a month ago. Just do a search of "ipl5" and you will see the original announcement thread. This is basically a 48 hour reminder for anyone who forgot.
Simply fact is all of this stuff was announced way in advanced. I remember the older thread that was posted in May. The way Starcraft 2 is playing out currently, as a player, you aren't going to be able to make it to every event that you want to go to, you are going to have to choose your battles. Also keep in mind that these companies/organizations are competing. Might as well get used to it because as long as the SC2 scene keeps growing this is just going to happen more and more.
On July 13 2012 05:18 Xeris wrote: I dont ever remember receiving an email about satellige qualifiers. I got one in general awhile ago and one for the direct regionals , never any notice of satellite qualifiers however.
Pointing go a thread that few people saw posted in May isnt a justification. This is exposing huge format flaws in IPL, its like several events of poorly thought out formatting, I dont understand ghis at all.
I can almost guarsntee thst no team leader was contacted dirdctly on Skype about i
I emailed admin@lightesports.com on Tuesday. This is the email you told me to send notifications to. If you have a new one, let me know.
Would it be possible for players competing in WCS Canada or NASL to still participate in the satellite but have the whole "forfeits and walkovers will be used if needed" rule relaxed? It's an online qualifier tournament, so while it runs less smoothly, it should still be able to fulfill its purpose. I dunno how many players would be willing to do that, since playing 2 tournaments at once would probably be a headache, but maybe a few more notable players will be in
On July 13 2012 06:14 dangthatsright wrote: Would it be possible for players competing in WCS Canada or NASL to still participate in the satellite but have the whole "forfeits and walkovers will be used if needed" rule relaxed? It's an online qualifier tournament, so while it runs less smoothly, it should still be able to fulfill its purpose. I dunno how many players would be willing to do that, since playing 2 tournaments at once would probably be a headache, but maybe a few more notable players will be in
that sounds awful for the people playing only in ipl. not gonna wait around an hour for a wcs canada player to finish their set.
on the bright side some more unknown extremely gosu NA players will get more spots. I mean it sucks that alot of known players can't play but just because they can play doesn't mean they will actually win. And please don't hate on IPL, we should be thankful they actually host qualifiers to give NA more of a chance instead of just inviting a bunch of popular people that are going to get steam rolled and make NA look weak.
On July 13 2012 06:20 VTPerfect wrote: on the bright side some more unknown extremely gosu NA players will get more spots. I mean it sucks that alot of known players can't play but just because they can play doesn't mean they will actually win. And please don't hate on IPL, we should be thankful they actually host qualifiers to give NA more of a chance instead of just inviting a bunch of popular people that are going to get steam rolled and make NA look weak.
On July 13 2012 06:20 VTPerfect wrote: on the bright side some more unknown extremely gosu NA players will get more spots. I mean it sucks that alot of known players can't play but just because they can play doesn't mean they will actually win. And please don't hate on IPL, we should be thankful they actually host qualifiers to give NA more of a chance instead of just inviting a bunch of popular people that are going to get steam rolled and make NA look weak.
LOL...
I was thinking the same thing an unknown NA players is not going to be able to take down a Huk our idra. If they were to lose it would be to a known solid player like an Illusion for example
On July 13 2012 06:33 Azarkon wrote: Hmm, I just thought that one way IPL is able to salvage this is to give 2/8 spots to the WCS Canada winners, and 2/8 spots to the WCS NA winners.
On July 13 2012 06:20 VTPerfect wrote: on the bright side some more unknown extremely gosu NA players will get more spots. I mean it sucks that alot of known players can't play but just because they can play doesn't mean they will actually win. And please don't hate on IPL, we should be thankful they actually host qualifiers to give NA more of a chance instead of just inviting a bunch of popular people that are going to get steam rolled and make NA look weak.
LOL...
I was thinking the same thing an unknown NA players is not going to be able to take down a Huk our idra. If they were to lose it would be to a known solid player like an Illusion for example
On July 13 2012 06:20 VTPerfect wrote: on the bright side some more unknown extremely gosu NA players will get more spots. I mean it sucks that alot of known players can't play but just because they can play doesn't mean they will actually win. And please don't hate on IPL, we should be thankful they actually host qualifiers to give NA more of a chance instead of just inviting a bunch of popular people that are going to get steam rolled and make NA look weak.
LOL...
I was thinking the same thing an unknown NA players is not going to be able to take down a Huk our idra. If they were to lose it would be to a known solid player like an Illusion for example
I so hope you're joking lol.
nope? feel free to name some unknown NA players that have a decent shot of beating a huk, and Idra....
And the European Satellite clashes with MLG Summer Arena next weekend? So no Stephano, Nerchio, Grubby or Sase at IPL5 either?
Why not have big tournaments on at weekends, and online qualifiers for tournaments on Wednesdays? Pretty simple and would allow top players to travel to and from major tournaments and also participate in qualifiers on Wednesday?
I think it is a good thing that there are so many SC2 tournaments for players to try out for as this equates to more earning opportunities for the pro-gamers and more SC2 for fans like me to watch. However this clashing of dates is not in the best interests of anyone.
Maybe I am overlooking something given that I am not a tournament planner.
On July 13 2012 06:20 VTPerfect wrote: on the bright side some more unknown extremely gosu NA players will get more spots. I mean it sucks that alot of known players can't play but just because they can play doesn't mean they will actually win. And please don't hate on IPL, we should be thankful they actually host qualifiers to give NA more of a chance instead of just inviting a bunch of popular people that are going to get steam rolled and make NA look weak.
LOL...
I was thinking the same thing an unknown NA players is not going to be able to take down a Huk our idra. If they were to lose it would be to a known solid player like an Illusion for example
I so hope you're joking lol.
nope? feel free to name some unknown NA players that have a decent shot of beating a huk, and Idra....
Tubbythefat and Xenocider apparently, if you just take a look at some of the last qualifiers HuK participated in.
On July 13 2012 06:42 revel8 wrote: And the European Satellite clashes with MLG Summer Arena next weekend? So no Stephano, Nerchio, Grubby or Sase at IPL5 either?
Why not have big tournaments on at weekends, and online qualifiers for tournaments on Wednesdays? Pretty simple and would allow top players to travel to and from major tournaments and also participate in qualifiers on Wednesday?
I think it is a good thing that there are so many SC2 tournaments for players to try out for as this equates to more earning opportunities for the pro-gamers and more SC2 for fans like me to watch. However this clashing of dates is not in the best interests of anyone.
Maybe I am overlooking something given that I am not a tournament planner.
Nerchio canceled, Goody replaces him, but it seems like Nerchio isn't too keen on traveling to the US anyway. Stephano, Grubby, SaSe are a big loss, though. It also clashes with WCS Russia/Ukraine, so no White-Ra, Bly, Strelok, Fraer, Kas, Happy, TITAN, sLivko, LiveZerg, etc. either.
On July 13 2012 03:39 Dexington wrote: IPL just getting worse and worse in my opinion. Terrible scheduling, terrible announcements. Why could this thread not have been made a month ago? Better early than late, as in with 13 hours to go.
Seriously, AskJoshy, give me a valid reason why you waited until now to post this thread.
Yes, there is an announcement thread with the links in there. That doesn't answer my question.
Why not make this thread a month ago? Clearly players needed more reminding.
To add to this, players are not only training, but they have a lot of tournament dates to remember. So the more reminders, the better.
It's not the organizations responsibility to remind the players of dates, it is their managers responsibility. IPL was obviuously in contact with the managers of the teams much prior to this thread. Place blame on them, not IPL
On July 13 2012 06:20 VTPerfect wrote: on the bright side some more unknown extremely gosu NA players will get more spots. I mean it sucks that alot of known players can't play but just because they can play doesn't mean they will actually win. And please don't hate on IPL, we should be thankful they actually host qualifiers to give NA more of a chance instead of just inviting a bunch of popular people that are going to get steam rolled and make NA look weak.
LOL...
I was thinking the same thing an unknown NA players is not going to be able to take down a Huk our idra. If they were to lose it would be to a known solid player like an Illusion for example
I so hope you're joking lol.
nope? feel free to name some unknown NA players that have a decent shot of beating a huk, and Idra....
Uhhh basically any high master/GM NA player. You act like HuK/Idra are actually better then anyone else on the NA ladder, when in reality... they aren't
On July 13 2012 06:20 VTPerfect wrote: on the bright side some more unknown extremely gosu NA players will get more spots. I mean it sucks that alot of known players can't play but just because they can play doesn't mean they will actually win. And please don't hate on IPL, we should be thankful they actually host qualifiers to give NA more of a chance instead of just inviting a bunch of popular people that are going to get steam rolled and make NA look weak.
LOL...
I was thinking the same thing an unknown NA players is not going to be able to take down a Huk our idra. If they were to lose it would be to a known solid player like an Illusion for example
I so hope you're joking lol.
nope? feel free to name some unknown NA players that have a decent shot of beating a huk, and Idra....
Uhhh basically any high master/GM NA player. You act like HuK/Idra are actually better then anyone else on the NA ladder, when in reality... they aren't
high master/any gm on NA lolz from ur 2 lasts post im going to just assume your trolling
On July 13 2012 06:20 VTPerfect wrote: on the bright side some more unknown extremely gosu NA players will get more spots. I mean it sucks that alot of known players can't play but just because they can play doesn't mean they will actually win. And please don't hate on IPL, we should be thankful they actually host qualifiers to give NA more of a chance instead of just inviting a bunch of popular people that are going to get steam rolled and make NA look weak.
LOL...
I was thinking the same thing an unknown NA players is not going to be able to take down a Huk our idra. If they were to lose it would be to a known solid player like an Illusion for example
I so hope you're joking lol.
nope? feel free to name some unknown NA players that have a decent shot of beating a huk, and Idra....
Tubbythefat and Xenocider apparently, if you just take a look at some of the last qualifiers HuK participated in.
On July 13 2012 06:42 revel8 wrote: And the European Satellite clashes with MLG Summer Arena next weekend? So no Stephano, Nerchio, Grubby or Sase at IPL5 either?
Why not have big tournaments on at weekends, and online qualifiers for tournaments on Wednesdays? Pretty simple and would allow top players to travel to and from major tournaments and also participate in qualifiers on Wednesday?
I think it is a good thing that there are so many SC2 tournaments for players to try out for as this equates to more earning opportunities for the pro-gamers and more SC2 for fans like me to watch. However this clashing of dates is not in the best interests of anyone.
Maybe I am overlooking something given that I am not a tournament planner.
Nerchio canceled, Goody replaces him, but it seems like Nerchio isn't too keen on traveling to the US anyway. Stephano, Grubby, SaSe are a big loss, though. It also clashes with WCS Russia/Ukraine, so no White-Ra, Bly, Strelok, Fraer, Kas, Happy, TITAN, sLivko, LiveZerg, etc. either.
I use to be on a team with xeno i had a winning record vs him dont remember anything to special. but maybe your right qualifiers can be very unpredictable lots of people can take games off anyone. still feels like it really hurts the NA seen not having them play in it
On July 13 2012 07:18 magnaflow wrote: Uhhh basically any high master/GM NA player. You act like HuK/Idra are actually better then anyone else on the NA ladder, when in reality... they aren't
Pretty much.
IdrA has yet to claw back to a good form, it has been going up the past weeks. Let's see what he can deliver at the summer tournaments where he gets invites.
As for HuK, the pressure is on for the coming weekend after that "LOL" up there ^^
What always ofcourse counts in favor of specially those 2 prominent NA players is their huge huge offline tournament experience.
Running these all in one day on the weekend is a bad idea to start with. IPL knows that there is almost always a big event going on during weekends. NASL was announced first. WCS Canada was announced a day after IPL's first announcement. Right then and there IPL needs to realize they can't do this on the same weekend. Yes IPL is the one who should change their date, why? because its an online event and can be changed easily.
These should be going on during the week, like all other qualifiers from major tournaments. Most of TSL, MLG, NASL qualifiers happen during the week. There is a reason for that. Because LANs happen on the weekend.
On July 13 2012 03:56 HuK wrote: all the players who wont be able to participate in this:
me, idra, incontrol, scarlett (top story of ur last IPL), jecho, tt1, drewbie, slush, jecho, kane, ostijiy, dde, ddoro etc.
All players who would be out early, no big losses
? people like you are reason why pros dont post on forums ... To say me or idra could lose to high NA players is definitely a possibility but to claim all these players who ARE top na players, would also be out early is just dumb.
These problems didn't come up in the past when IPL ran online qualifiers for their events. For example, IPL3 and IPL4 online qualifiers were run on weekends.
I wonder if all of this is just due to the larger number of LANs going on or if it's because of IPL's reduced emphasis on invites.
On July 13 2012 07:39 MetaXelor wrote: These problems didn't come up in the past when IPL ran online qualifiers for their events. For example, IPL3 and IPL4 online qualifiers were run on weekends.
I wonder if all of this is just due to the larger number of LANs going on or if it's because of IPL's reduced emphasis on invites.
Both, really. Especially Blizzard WCS has added like 20-30 completely new tournaments that make weekends without any important matches going on incredibly rare. Additionally, IPL's format changes - removing invites and, more importantly, the open bracket at the event itself means that there are a lot more spots to distribute and they haven't found a qualifying system yet that is deemed acceptable and fair by everyone.
The last IPL's were attended by Koreans winning the qualifiers, Americans with enough money to travel there and attend the Open Bracket and the few invites they extended to previous winners and Korean superstars.
Now that a lot more players see a chance to actually qualify, there's naturally going to be more discussions if things don't go the way these players expected.
On July 13 2012 07:39 MetaXelor wrote: These problems didn't come up in the past when IPL ran online qualifiers for their events. For example, IPL3 and IPL4 online qualifiers were run on weekends.
I wonder if all of this is just due to the larger number of LANs going on or if it's because of IPL's reduced emphasis on invites.
IPL 3 and 4 also had open brackets. So even if they were clashing with a LAN that weekend, players will still able to duke it out in the open bracket. IPL 5 has no open bracket. These online qualifiers are EVERYTHING.
On July 13 2012 07:39 MetaXelor wrote: These problems didn't come up in the past when IPL ran online qualifiers for their events. For example, IPL3 and IPL4 online qualifiers were run on weekends.
I wonder if all of this is just due to the larger number of LANs going on or if it's because of IPL's reduced emphasis on invites.
EDIT: Nevermind, poster above me said the exact same thing :D
So 2 options for IPL, #1 is be stubborn and piss off players, alienate fans and overall have a much weaker player pool (specifically a foreigner player pool, which is what makes $$$), or #2 change the date, give these huge names chances to qualify, raise the overall talent pool of your tourney and become a community loved event.
People arent looking at this fact, at least as far as ive seen, but if you take away alot of these major NA and European players then the chances of Korean dominance is much higher, guess what, most fans hate random korean code b player vs random korean code b player in the semi finals. Its not really fair but thats how it is, IPL is shooting themselves in the foot big time. You lose out on WhiteRa, Scarlett, HuK, IdrA, Incontrol, Ret, Bly, TITAN, Drewbie and alot of other players I dont want to do research on. Idra would probably stream lol, thats minus 5k viewers not to mention all the fanbases these players bring in and the fact that you are severely crippling the foreigner chances of do well in this tourney
Overall IPL can be smart about this or they can be stubborn. Its a pity because IPL is one of my favorite events of the year but now alot of really cool foreigners are getting fucked. Its not IPL's fault but if they fix it they will earn the love of the community, which if you look at something like the GESL, is a perfect example of why you need the communities support. Hope it gets changed for you guys
On July 13 2012 08:02 ShakaZu.Sc2 wrote: So 2 options for IPL, #1 is be stubborn and piss off players, alienate fans and overall have a much weaker player pool (specifically a foreigner player pool, which is what makes $$$), or #2 change the date, give these huge names chances to qualify, raise the overall talent pool of your tourney and become a community loved event.
People arent looking at this fact, at least as far as ive seen, but if you take away alot of these major NA and European players then the chances of Korean dominance is much higher, guess what, most fans hate random korean code b player vs random korean code b player in the semi finals. Its not really fair but thats how it is, IPL is shooting themselves in the foot big time. You lose out on WhiteRa, Scarlett, HuK, IdrA, Incontrol, Ret, Bly, TITAN, Drewbie and alot of other players I dont want to do research on. Idra would probably stream lol, thats minus 5k viewers not to mention all the fanbases these players bring in and the fact that you are severely crippling the foreigner chances of do well in this tourney
Overall IPL can be smart about this or they can be stubborn. Its a pity because IPL is one of my favorite events of the year but now alot of really cool foreigners are getting fucked. Its not IPL's fault but if they fix it they will earn the love of the community, which if you look at something like the GESL, is a perfect example of why you need the communities support. Hope it gets changed for you guys
On July 13 2012 08:02 ShakaZu.Sc2 wrote: So 2 options for IPL, #1 is be stubborn and piss off players, alienate fans and overall have a much weaker player pool (specifically a foreigner player pool, which is what makes $$$), or #2 change the date, give these huge names chances to qualify, raise the overall talent pool of your tourney and become a community loved event.
People arent looking at this fact, at least as far as ive seen, but if you take away alot of these major NA and European players then the chances of Korean dominance is much higher, guess what, most fans hate random korean code b player vs random korean code b player in the semi finals. Its not really fair but thats how it is, IPL is shooting themselves in the foot big time. You lose out on WhiteRa, Scarlett, HuK, IdrA, Incontrol, Ret, Bly, TITAN, Drewbie and alot of other players I dont want to do research on. Idra would probably stream lol, thats minus 5k viewers not to mention all the fanbases these players bring in and the fact that you are severely crippling the foreigner chances of do well in this tourney
Overall IPL can be smart about this or they can be stubborn. Its a pity because IPL is one of my favorite events of the year but now alot of really cool foreigners are getting fucked. Its not IPL's fault but if they fix it they will earn the love of the community, which if you look at something like the GESL, is a perfect example of why you need the communities support. Hope it gets changed for you guys
sir you just won the thread perfectly summed up
I need to agree, to alienate all the top Canadians and a lot of top EU players is kind of dumb :/
I'm pretty sure I signed up for this but didn't get a confirmation email..? Is there any place we can see player list to confirm registration or should I just sign up again?
Is there a good reason for this being on a weekend? Why would anyone put their only chance to qualify on a weekend, especially one where NASL, WCS and MLG are going on.
This would've worked 2 years ago, when there were'nt that many offline tournaments, but nowadays even offline events overlap sometimes.
Don't put your qualifers on a weekend, if you want good players to qualify for your tournament!
On July 13 2012 05:18 Xeris wrote: I dont ever remember receiving an email about satellige qualifiers. I got one in general awhile ago and one for the direct regionals , never any notice of satellite qualifiers however.
Pointing go a thread that few people saw posted in May isnt a justification. This is exposing huge format flaws in IPL, its like several events of poorly thought out formatting, I dont understand ghis at all.
I can almost guarsntee thst no team leader was contacted dirdctly on Skype about i
This actually made me chuckle. A bunch of people are saying "Xeris is a guy who's always on top of it for his players etc etc", and the Xeris himself says he didn't know about these qualifiers.
I don't know what a proper solution to this could possibly be. A big problem that a lot of amateur NA players had with the TSL qualifiers is that they were during the week and they couldn't play in them due to having to work or something else. Case in point, you can't appease everyone.
On July 13 2012 13:31 shockaslim wrote: I don't know what a proper solution to this could possibly be. A big problem that a lot of amateur NA players had with the TSL qualifiers is that they were during the week and they couldn't play in them due to having to work or something else. Case in point, you can't appease everyone.
I think most players who wanted to complete in tsl were able to play in the tsl qualifiers
On July 13 2012 04:48 KawaiiRice wrote: I don't understand why IPL events are all played throughout one day when there isn't a reason to rush them (the live event isn't announced yet?). There have been many tours that space out games and allow you to schedule a series with your opponents over a span of weeks. IPL doesn't even cast the qualifier games anyway, right?
edit: o u do.. well u can cast replays whatever lulz
IPL should not have to accomodate the other leagues, even though it's in their best interest to do so... but maybe they just don't care about NA players since koreans will win the thing anyway oo
So everything works out! You'd lose no matter what! Im glad everyone is happy now.
On July 13 2012 04:48 KawaiiRice wrote: I don't understand why IPL events are all played throughout one day when there isn't a reason to rush them (the live event isn't announced yet?). There have been many tours that space out games and allow you to schedule a series with your opponents over a span of weeks. IPL doesn't even cast the qualifier games anyway, right?
edit: o u do.. well u can cast replays whatever lulz
IPL should not have to accomodate the other leagues, even though it's in their best interest to do so... but maybe they just don't care about NA players since koreans will win the thing anyway oo
So everything works out! You'd lose no matter what! Im glad everyone is happy now.
Everything works out except for the part where tournaments actually matter for more than just the player who wins it.
1) Even if it wasn't IPL's fault, technically, and even if IPL established their dates first, I still don't think it's unreasonable to think that events the size of WCS Canada finals AND NASL Grand Finals might be big enough to warrant shifting the dates of this online qualifier. HuK made some good points that Scarlett and basically the ENTIRE Canadian field won't be able to participate (along with IdrA and iNcontrol, now that they are casting NASL). Poor Canada.
Obviously, it's a lot easier to shift it sooner rather than later (especially since it's an online qualifier with no actual venue booking), but at ~1 day before, shifting it may no longer be feasible.
2) The customer is always right. In this case, the "customer" would be the audience and maybe also the players. So even if you can't give us / the players what they're asking for, I think it always goes over better if the organizers make us feel like they understand how tough/sticky/unfortunate the situation has become, even if IPL still believes they are completely in the clear.
On July 13 2012 04:00 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: I don't get why Idra and incontrol can't participate ? They're neither canadian nore playing the nasl playoffs.
They're casting for NASL. Unfortunate for them being players, but yeah.
Well they set their own priorites. No need for IPL to hold their hands.
On July 13 2012 04:00 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: I don't get why Idra and incontrol can't participate ? They're neither canadian nore playing the nasl playoffs.
They're casting for NASL. Unfortunate for them being players, but yeah.
Well they set their own priorites. No need for IPL to hold their hands.
well if they want to maximize there viewership they should
you know, by the time IPL5 rolls around, i think a lot of us would have forgotten about this drama by now. We'd be like - "ah, shame huk/idra/whoever didn't get to play, oh well" not "FFS boycott no huk/idra/whatever IPL5 sucks" IPL5 is going to be great
On July 13 2012 17:44 opterown wrote: you know, by the time IPL5 rolls around, i think a lot of us would have forgotten about this drama by now. We'd be like - "ah, shame huk/idra/whoever didn't get to play, oh well" not "FFS boycott no huk/idra/whatever IPL5 sucks" IPL5 is going to be great
feels like when it rolls around it would be a lot less appealing without the top NA players and some of the top EU players
On July 13 2012 17:44 opterown wrote: you know, by the time IPL5 rolls around, i think a lot of us would have forgotten about this drama by now. We'd be like - "ah, shame huk/idra/whoever didn't get to play, oh well" not "FFS boycott no huk/idra/whatever IPL5 sucks" IPL5 is going to be great
On July 13 2012 17:44 opterown wrote: you know, by the time IPL5 rolls around, i think a lot of us would have forgotten about this drama by now. We'd be like - "ah, shame huk/idra/whoever didn't get to play, oh well" not "FFS boycott no huk/idra/whatever IPL5 sucks" IPL5 is going to be great
feels like when it rolls around it would be a lot less appealing without the top NA players and some of the top EU players
There still will be strong NA players at IPL 5. Sheth, Illusion, and Suppy all signed up, and they are some of NA's finest right now. Yes, Canada does get the short end of the stick, but with the tournament scene as saturated as it is, there are bound to be conflicts no matter what weekend it is.
I still hope that IPL allows for an Open Bracket for the main event though. It's nice when premier events have them.
On July 13 2012 17:44 opterown wrote: you know, by the time IPL5 rolls around, i think a lot of us would have forgotten about this drama by now. We'd be like - "ah, shame huk/idra/whoever didn't get to play, oh well" not "FFS boycott no huk/idra/whatever IPL5 sucks" IPL5 is going to be great
feels like when it rolls around it would be a lot less appealing without the top NA players and some of the top EU players
There still will be strong NA players at IPL 5. Sheth, Illusion, and Suppy all signed up, and they are some of NA's finest right now. Yes, Canada does get the short end of the stick, but with the tournament scene as saturated as it is, there are bound to be conflicts no matter what weekend it is.
I still hope that IPL allows for an Open Bracket for the main event though. It's nice when premier events have them.
thats the problem theres 1 qualifier and no Open bracket... and there qualifer interferes with 2 WCS's and NASL
On July 13 2012 17:44 opterown wrote: you know, by the time IPL5 rolls around, i think a lot of us would have forgotten about this drama by now. We'd be like - "ah, shame huk/idra/whoever didn't get to play, oh well" not "FFS boycott no huk/idra/whatever IPL5 sucks" IPL5 is going to be great
feels like when it rolls around it would be a lot less appealing without the top NA players and some of the top EU players
There still will be strong NA players at IPL 5. Sheth, Illusion, and Suppy all signed up, and they are some of NA's finest right now. Yes, Canada does get the short end of the stick, but with the tournament scene as saturated as it is, there are bound to be conflicts no matter what weekend it is.
I still hope that IPL allows for an Open Bracket for the main event though. It's nice when premier events have them.
thats the problem theres 1 qualifier and no Open bracket... and there qualifer interferes with 2 WCS's and NASL
But that's the thing - there are no weekends that are free lol. This weekend X is on, next Y is on, the one after is Z... etc
On July 13 2012 17:44 opterown wrote: you know, by the time IPL5 rolls around, i think a lot of us would have forgotten about this drama by now. We'd be like - "ah, shame huk/idra/whoever didn't get to play, oh well" not "FFS boycott no huk/idra/whatever IPL5 sucks" IPL5 is going to be great
feels like when it rolls around it would be a lot less appealing without the top NA players and some of the top EU players
There still will be strong NA players at IPL 5. Sheth, Illusion, and Suppy all signed up, and they are some of NA's finest right now. Yes, Canada does get the short end of the stick, but with the tournament scene as saturated as it is, there are bound to be conflicts no matter what weekend it is.
I still hope that IPL allows for an Open Bracket for the main event though. It's nice when premier events have them.
thats the problem theres 1 qualifier and no Open bracket... and there qualifer interferes with 2 WCS's and NASL
But that's the thing - there are no weekends that are free lol. This weekend X is on, next Y is on, the one after is Z... etc
it was talked about a lot do it on weekdays have more qualifiers have an open bracket. any of these please...
On July 13 2012 17:44 opterown wrote: you know, by the time IPL5 rolls around, i think a lot of us would have forgotten about this drama by now. We'd be like - "ah, shame huk/idra/whoever didn't get to play, oh well" not "FFS boycott no huk/idra/whatever IPL5 sucks" IPL5 is going to be great
feels like when it rolls around it would be a lot less appealing without the top NA players and some of the top EU players
There still will be strong NA players at IPL 5. Sheth, Illusion, and Suppy all signed up, and they are some of NA's finest right now. Yes, Canada does get the short end of the stick, but with the tournament scene as saturated as it is, there are bound to be conflicts no matter what weekend it is.
I still hope that IPL allows for an Open Bracket for the main event though. It's nice when premier events have them.
thats the problem theres 1 qualifier and no Open bracket... and there qualifer interferes with 2 WCS's and NASL
But that's the thing - there are no weekends that are free lol. This weekend X is on, next Y is on, the one after is Z... etc
They should try them during the week, TSL qualifiers have mainly been done during the week and have been successful.
On July 13 2012 17:44 opterown wrote: you know, by the time IPL5 rolls around, i think a lot of us would have forgotten about this drama by now. We'd be like - "ah, shame huk/idra/whoever didn't get to play, oh well" not "FFS boycott no huk/idra/whatever IPL5 sucks" IPL5 is going to be great
feels like when it rolls around it would be a lot less appealing without the top NA players and some of the top EU players
There still will be strong NA players at IPL 5. Sheth, Illusion, and Suppy all signed up, and they are some of NA's finest right now. Yes, Canada does get the short end of the stick, but with the tournament scene as saturated as it is, there are bound to be conflicts no matter what weekend it is.
I still hope that IPL allows for an Open Bracket for the main event though. It's nice when premier events have them.
thats the problem theres 1 qualifier and no Open bracket... and there qualifer interferes with 2 WCS's and NASL
But that's the thing - there are no weekends that are free lol. This weekend X is on, next Y is on, the one after is Z... etc
They should try them during the week, TSL qualifiers have mainly been done during the week and have been successful.
On July 13 2012 17:44 opterown wrote: you know, by the time IPL5 rolls around, i think a lot of us would have forgotten about this drama by now. We'd be like - "ah, shame huk/idra/whoever didn't get to play, oh well" not "FFS boycott no huk/idra/whatever IPL5 sucks" IPL5 is going to be great
feels like when it rolls around it would be a lot less appealing without the top NA players and some of the top EU players
There still will be strong NA players at IPL 5. Sheth, Illusion, and Suppy all signed up, and they are some of NA's finest right now. Yes, Canada does get the short end of the stick, but with the tournament scene as saturated as it is, there are bound to be conflicts no matter what weekend it is.
I still hope that IPL allows for an Open Bracket for the main event though. It's nice when premier events have them.
thats the problem theres 1 qualifier and no Open bracket... and there qualifer interferes with 2 WCS's and NASL
But that's the thing - there are no weekends that are free lol. This weekend X is on, next Y is on, the one after is Z... etc
it was talked about a lot do it on weekdays have more qualifiers have an open bracket. any of these please...
the problem is that there are many TSL qualifiers, each with 1 spot + more by points. there is ONE ipl5 qualifier for 8 spots in one go.
if you think about it, for any given single TSL qualifier, there were people that couldn't make it. if TSL only had ONE qualifier like IPL seems to have, there's bound to be people who can't make it. it's just that IPL has chosen to have only one qualifier, hence the scheduling problem.
if they had a weekday qualifier there's still bound to be many who can't make it.
i'm thinking a good idea would make THIS qualifier for 6 spots. then have another american one for 2 spots on a weekday next week maybe for anyone who complains. of course this would be a logistical nightmare, but it would be a good compromise.
On July 13 2012 17:44 opterown wrote: you know, by the time IPL5 rolls around, i think a lot of us would have forgotten about this drama by now. We'd be like - "ah, shame huk/idra/whoever didn't get to play, oh well" not "FFS boycott no huk/idra/whatever IPL5 sucks" IPL5 is going to be great
feels like when it rolls around it would be a lot less appealing without the top NA players and some of the top EU players
There still will be strong NA players at IPL 5. Sheth, Illusion, and Suppy all signed up, and they are some of NA's finest right now. Yes, Canada does get the short end of the stick, but with the tournament scene as saturated as it is, there are bound to be conflicts no matter what weekend it is.
I still hope that IPL allows for an Open Bracket for the main event though. It's nice when premier events have them.
thats the problem theres 1 qualifier and no Open bracket... and there qualifer interferes with 2 WCS's and NASL
But that's the thing - there are no weekends that are free lol. This weekend X is on, next Y is on, the one after is Z... etc
They should try them during the week, TSL qualifiers have mainly been done during the week and have been successful.
On July 13 2012 17:44 opterown wrote: you know, by the time IPL5 rolls around, i think a lot of us would have forgotten about this drama by now. We'd be like - "ah, shame huk/idra/whoever didn't get to play, oh well" not "FFS boycott no huk/idra/whatever IPL5 sucks" IPL5 is going to be great
feels like when it rolls around it would be a lot less appealing without the top NA players and some of the top EU players
There still will be strong NA players at IPL 5. Sheth, Illusion, and Suppy all signed up, and they are some of NA's finest right now. Yes, Canada does get the short end of the stick, but with the tournament scene as saturated as it is, there are bound to be conflicts no matter what weekend it is.
I still hope that IPL allows for an Open Bracket for the main event though. It's nice when premier events have them.
thats the problem theres 1 qualifier and no Open bracket... and there qualifer interferes with 2 WCS's and NASL
But that's the thing - there are no weekends that are free lol. This weekend X is on, next Y is on, the one after is Z... etc
it was talked about a lot do it on weekdays have more qualifiers have an open bracket. any of these please...
the problem is that there are many TSL qualifiers, each with 1 spot + more by points. there is ONE ipl5 qualifier for 8 spots in one go.
if you think about it, for any given single TSL qualifier, there were people that couldn't make it. if TSL only had ONE qualifier like IPL seems to have, there's bound to be people who can't make it. it's just that IPL has chosen to have only one qualifier, hence the scheduling problem.
if they had a weekday qualifier there's still bound to be many who can't make it.
i'm thinking a good idea would make THIS qualifier for 6 spots. then have another american one for 2 spots on a weekday next week maybe for anyone who complains. of course this would be a logistical nightmare, but it would be a good compromise.
I agree it;s difficult but there does have to be some compromise by IPL maybe like u said moving a couple spots to a weekday maybe have WCS Canada top two qualify, more then 1 qualifier at least maybe a weekend one and a weekday one. something
there's also another problem with the satellites - they're NOT paid trips. this might be a problem especially for the korean satellite =/ teams like NSH or prime or such might have a bit of a hard time paying for a RO40 spot (essentially an open bracket position)
On July 13 2012 18:19 Xcobidoo wrote: viOlet and Golden are going so the best NA representation you could have is still there xD
True. It's not like any of the potential players who could miss out would be any great loss in terms of NA.
And, in IdrA's case at least he chose to cast rather than use downtime to practice and compete in this, so it's not like he's relevant to the conversation.
But the bigger problem is that the top 8 qualify from this, wheras just 1 qualified from the regional. So, nine qualifiers from a region, 1 from one tournament and 8 from another. Just screwy and poorly designed.
On July 13 2012 18:19 Xcobidoo wrote: viOlet and Golden are going so the best NA representation you could have is still there xD
True. It's not like any of the potential players who could miss out would be any great loss in terms of NA.
And, in IdrA's case at least he chose to cast rather than use downtime to practice and compete in this, so it's not like he's relevant to the conversation.
But the bigger problem is that the top 8 qualify from this, wheras just 1 qualified from the regional. So, nine qualifiers from a region, 1 from one tournament and 8 from another. Just screwy and poorly designed.
1 from 1 tourney gets the paid flight and hotel, though.
On July 13 2012 18:19 Xcobidoo wrote: viOlet and Golden are going so the best NA representation you could have is still there xD
True. It's not like any of the potential players who could miss out would be any great loss in terms of NA.
And, in IdrA's case at least he chose to cast rather than use downtime to practice and compete in this, so it's not like he's relevant to the conversation.
But the bigger problem is that the top 8 qualify from this, wheras just 1 qualified from the regional. So, nine qualifiers from a region, 1 from one tournament and 8 from another. Just screwy and poorly designed.
1 from 1 tourney gets the paid flight and hotel, though.
Important for Asian and (maybe?) European teams, but decidedly less important for NA teams.
On July 13 2012 18:19 Xcobidoo wrote: viOlet and Golden are going so the best NA representation you could have is still there xD
True. It's not like any of the potential players who could miss out would be any great loss in terms of NA.
And, in IdrA's case at least he chose to cast rather than use downtime to practice and compete in this, so it's not like he's relevant to the conversation.
But the bigger problem is that the top 8 qualify from this, wheras just 1 qualified from the regional. So, nine qualifiers from a region, 1 from one tournament and 8 from another. Just screwy and poorly designed.
How is IdrA not relevant? Because he has an opportunity to make bank casting for NASL? Thats just dumb, he is the most popular NA player and not having him will cost them at least 2-3k viewers, even more if he decides to stream.
I think that things like these are going to be huge deals when you look at issues with over saturation. I dont want to spend every weekend watching tournaments (I think a large majority of the community feels the same, there are other things to life) and this tournament is now much lower on my radar and if it is in the middle of a busy tournament stretch then this will probably be the weekend I go do other things. When all the tournaments are stacked with great players I want to see tournaments with players I have a connection with, like those competing in various events over the next two weekends in the US and Europe.
On July 13 2012 18:23 opterown wrote: there's also another problem with the satellites - they're NOT paid trips. this might be a problem especially for the korean satellite =/ teams like NSH or prime or such might have a bit of a hard time paying for a RO40 spot (essentially an open bracket position)
Even IM declined to send LosirA to MLG for a seeded Open Bracket position for the last two Championships (and Anaheim was after the LG sponorship started).
There's still a lot of really good players in this event even in there aren't any EG players. I'm still going to watch and support IPL and root on a lot of the other players, qxc, minigun, suppy, Illusion, ViBe, Nony, NadaViking!
On July 13 2012 17:44 opterown wrote: you know, by the time IPL5 rolls around, i think a lot of us would have forgotten about this drama by now. We'd be like - "ah, shame huk/idra/whoever didn't get to play, oh well" not "FFS boycott no huk/idra/whatever IPL5 sucks" IPL5 is going to be great
feels like when it rolls around it would be a lot less appealing without the top NA players and some of the top EU players
There still will be strong NA players at IPL 5. Sheth, Illusion, and Suppy all signed up, and they are some of NA's finest right now. Yes, Canada does get the short end of the stick, but with the tournament scene as saturated as it is, there are bound to be conflicts no matter what weekend it is.
I still hope that IPL allows for an Open Bracket for the main event though. It's nice when premier events have them.
thats the problem theres 1 qualifier and no Open bracket... and there qualifer interferes with 2 WCS's and NASL
But that's the thing - there are no weekends that are free lol. This weekend X is on, next Y is on, the one after is Z... etc
They should try them during the week, TSL qualifiers have mainly been done during the week and have been successful.
On July 13 2012 17:44 opterown wrote: you know, by the time IPL5 rolls around, i think a lot of us would have forgotten about this drama by now. We'd be like - "ah, shame huk/idra/whoever didn't get to play, oh well" not "FFS boycott no huk/idra/whatever IPL5 sucks" IPL5 is going to be great
feels like when it rolls around it would be a lot less appealing without the top NA players and some of the top EU players
There still will be strong NA players at IPL 5. Sheth, Illusion, and Suppy all signed up, and they are some of NA's finest right now. Yes, Canada does get the short end of the stick, but with the tournament scene as saturated as it is, there are bound to be conflicts no matter what weekend it is.
I still hope that IPL allows for an Open Bracket for the main event though. It's nice when premier events have them.
thats the problem theres 1 qualifier and no Open bracket... and there qualifer interferes with 2 WCS's and NASL
But that's the thing - there are no weekends that are free lol. This weekend X is on, next Y is on, the one after is Z... etc
it was talked about a lot do it on weekdays have more qualifiers have an open bracket. any of these please...
the problem is that there are many TSL qualifiers, each with 1 spot + more by points. there is ONE ipl5 qualifier for 8 spots in one go.
if you think about it, for any given single TSL qualifier, there were people that couldn't make it. if TSL only had ONE qualifier like IPL seems to have, there's bound to be people who can't make it. it's just that IPL has chosen to have only one qualifier, hence the scheduling problem.
if they had a weekday qualifier there's still bound to be many who can't make it.
i'm thinking a good idea would make THIS qualifier for 6 spots. then have another american one for 2 spots on a weekday next week maybe for anyone who complains. of course this would be a logistical nightmare, but it would be a good compromise.
It wouldn't be particularly good compromise for the players who finish 6-8 this weekend... but that's just how it is; there are tons of players who can't make any event. There are going to be players who can't make your proposed supplemental qualifier either. Sure maybe IPL should adopt TSL's qualifier system, everyone can learn from their mistakes: remember the outrage when MKP was left out of TSL 3 - *and* there was no Korean/Asian qualifier?
This was announced months ago, IIRC when MLG announced their dates, people noticed that MLG looked to be almost intentionally setting their dates over other events. So do people really expect IPL to subserve themselves to other events?
I don't really know the entire story here, but so far it sounds more like EG's manager knew they couldn't go so didn't tell their players, since only EG players are publicly complaining about the dates...
On July 13 2012 06:33 Azarkon wrote: Hmm, I just thought that one way IPL is able to salvage this is to give 2/8 spots to the WCS Canada winners, and 2/8 spots to the WCS NA winners.
This needs to be brought up again.
IPL should seriously consider awarding the topX spots in the WCS North American Championship direct seeds to IPL5.
On July 13 2012 18:23 opterown wrote: there's also another problem with the satellites - they're NOT paid trips.
Why is this paragraph in the opening post then:
"Unfortunately, we are not yet able to announce the date or location of our live event. All we can tell you is that it is coming up soon and these qualifiers were scheduled in a way that ensures that we have time for travel preparations to be made. If for any reason, a player who qualifies in these online qualifiers cannot make the trip to our live event, their registration fee will be refunded and we will use the Regional results to determine who will receive the free travel, hotel, and tournament seed instead."
On July 13 2012 18:23 opterown wrote: there's also another problem with the satellites - they're NOT paid trips.
Why is this paragraph in the opening post then:
"Unfortunately, we are not yet able to announce the date or location of our live event. All we can tell you is that it is coming up soon and these qualifiers were scheduled in a way that ensures that we have time for travel preparations to be made. If for any reason, a player who qualifies in these online qualifiers cannot make the trip to our live event, their registration fee will be refunded and we will use the Regional results to determine who will receive the free travel, hotel, and tournament seed instead."
Satellites are different from Regionals. The regional was already played and I believe Demuslim Sleep got the free trip and hotel reservations.
Edit: Got the winner wrong, it was Sleep, not Demuslim. Thanks CosmicSpiral.
On July 13 2012 18:23 opterown wrote: there's also another problem with the satellites - they're NOT paid trips.
Why is this paragraph in the opening post then:
"Unfortunately, we are not yet able to announce the date or location of our live event. All we can tell you is that it is coming up soon and these qualifiers were scheduled in a way that ensures that we have time for travel preparations to be made. If for any reason, a player who qualifies in these online qualifiers cannot make the trip to our live event, their registration fee will be refunded and we will use the Regional results to determine who will receive the free travel, hotel, and tournament seed instead."
Satellites are different from Regionals. The regional was already played and I believe Demuslim got the free trip and hotel reservations.
On July 13 2012 18:23 opterown wrote: there's also another problem with the satellites - they're NOT paid trips.
Why is this paragraph in the opening post then:
"Unfortunately, we are not yet able to announce the date or location of our live event. All we can tell you is that it is coming up soon and these qualifiers were scheduled in a way that ensures that we have time for travel preparations to be made. If for any reason, a player who qualifies in these online qualifiers cannot make the trip to our live event, their registration fee will be refunded and we will use the Regional results to determine who will receive the free travel, hotel, and tournament seed instead."
Not everyone can participate in all tournaments that just the way it is. Sorry for the players that are missing but you cant expect for a tourney to move their dates because other tourneys are happening especially when they scheduled first
On July 14 2012 11:43 zeratul_jf wrote: Not everyone can participate in all tournaments that just the way it is. Sorry for the players that are missing but you cant expect for a tourney to move their dates because other tourneys are happening especially when they scheduled first
They are excluding the best players of AN ENTIRE COUNTRY.
If this were during the USA WCS (say it's on a different weekend than MLG), this thread would've exploded with anger.
On July 14 2012 11:43 zeratul_jf wrote: Not everyone can participate in all tournaments that just the way it is. Sorry for the players that are missing but you cant expect for a tourney to move their dates because other tourneys are happening especially when they scheduled first
well your defiantly not Sundance since you DON'T get it
On July 14 2012 11:43 zeratul_jf wrote: Not everyone can participate in all tournaments that just the way it is. Sorry for the players that are missing but you cant expect for a tourney to move their dates because other tourneys are happening especially when they scheduled first
well your defiantly not Sundance since you DON'T get it
I am pretty sure that he understands that big names make big viewership for tournaments, but I really think people need to stop thinking that every single tournament is going to cater to them.
On July 14 2012 11:43 zeratul_jf wrote: Not everyone can participate in all tournaments that just the way it is. Sorry for the players that are missing but you cant expect for a tourney to move their dates because other tourneys are happening especially when they scheduled first
well your defiantly not Sundance since you DON'T get it
I am pretty sure that he understands that big names make big viewership for tournaments, but I really think people need to stop thinking that every single tournament is going to cater to them.
That's ok they just make less money which is a smart decision right? It's far more lucrative to hold the tournament especially considering it's online for when more big names can appear. Hold it during the week you'll get a lot more views then you will this weekend especially considering the player pool. It's just dumb to hamstring yourself like this.
It's not just about spreading your legs for some players especially idra and huk..
It's about the interest your tournament will have if you miss on idra, huk, stephano, withera, nerchio, scarllet, kas, etc.. etc..
If it's Korean code S, A or B alone against each other this tournament will have zero interest to me, because for koreans vs koreans i will always watch GSL..
What i expect from foreign events is korea vs the world, if you miss out on that I for once won't watch it. I have bought premium ticket for IPL 3 and 4 and would probably buy for 5 but won't if there isn't any players i actually like and admire.
Again i like DRG, MKP bla bla but for those i have my GSL premium ticket.. ok?
Same shit with MLG if they don't correct the ratio to atleast world 50 - 50 korea i won't pay because that's not fun for me.. I like to see Koreans fight against the underdog i don't need to see them smash a lower quality NA and EU player and have a korean top 16
Well planning at the same time as NASL isnt that big of a problem in my eyes, you wont miss a lot of players because of that. But at the same time as WCS canada? and for the eu satellite on the same time of WCS russia/ukraine that is pretty bad. So yes it would be a lot smarter to do the qualifiers on week days like TSL. Or atleast do 4 NA and 4EU qualifiers this weekend and 4 of both next weekend that almost all would be able to paricipate (only stephano not).
Yes IPL was one of the first but as soon as they saw that WCS, MLG and NASL were in those weekends they should have reacted.
On July 15 2012 03:43 desRow wrote: why is Gosuillusion in the bracket hes korean..?
Illusion lives in the US lol
No, GoSuIllusion does not as far as I'm aware.
QuanticIllusion does.
EDIT: However it doesn't say anywhere that you have to be from North America to play in this.
Will someone please clarify the rules for me.
It is stated that, "There will only be one Satellite for America, one for Europe, and one for Asia. Each player may only participate in one of the American, European, or Asian Satellites" meaning players can only play in ONE region and not all three correct?
Hwangsin and Illusion were just kicked out of the bracket after being put on there by IPL. If there was a problem originally, I would appreciate if they were not put on the bracket and only told the day off that they cannot participate.
Edit: It was stated in the other IPL thread and not this one that, "Players must live in the listed region at the time of the qualifier and may only play in one of the European, North American, or Korean Satellites."
On July 15 2012 03:43 desRow wrote: why is Gosuillusion in the bracket hes korean..?
Illusion lives in the US lol
No, GoSuIllusion does not as far as I'm aware.
QuanticIllusion does.
EDIT: However it doesn't say anywhere that you have to be from North America to play in this.
Will someone please clarify the rules for me.
It is stated that, "There will only be one Satellite for America, one for Europe, and one for Asia. Each player may only participate in one of the American, European, or Asian Satellites" meaning players can only play in ONE region and not all three correct?
Hwangsin and Illusion were just kicked out of the bracket after being put on there by IPL. If there was a problem originally, I would appreciate if they were not put on the bracket and only told the day off that they cannot participate.
Edit: It was stated in the other IPL thread and not this one that, "Players must live in the listed region at the time of the qualifier and may only play in one of the European, North American, or Korean Satellites." This would mean that players like Major who is living in Korea would not be able to participate right?
Pretty shitty to not list the Region Requirements properly in the thread for the event
On July 15 2012 07:20 Dexington wrote: There were a ton of walkovers in this. Not very surprising.
if there weren't a ton of walkovers this thing probably woundn't have gotten off the ground. 110 ish players signed up, 65 showed up and there was 1 admin trying to coordinate the entire thing, manually clocking no shows, recording wins/losses, updating the bracket, answering player questions. poor guy
On July 15 2012 12:45 Shellshock1122 wrote: grats to everyone that qualified. too bad about all the players who couldn't compete because of terrible scheduling
I don't get any of the hate towards IPL when this was announced two months ago. If anything, IPL deserves credit for giving up-and-coming players a chance to qualify.
On July 13 2012 05:45 Stress wrote:The way Starcraft 2 is playing out currently, as a player, you aren't going to be able to make it to every event that you want to go to, you are going to have to choose your battles.
Yes, it is hard nowadays to get to everything you want to go to. Just look at NaNiwa. He decided to skip IPL 4 and Red Bull Battlegrounds (Which was events he wanted to attend) in order to be as prepared as possible for the GSL. And since he really wanted to win a Swedish event, he went to DreamHack Stockholm instead of an MLG area
On July 15 2012 12:45 Shellshock1122 wrote: grats to everyone that qualified. too bad about all the players who couldn't compete because of terrible scheduling
I fixed it for you
such a killjoy, it is a shame, but ipl planned it as they could... not easy this stuff
That really was terrible scheduling. And how come there were so many walkovers? Moosegills could have qualified winning one single match. (make you think of Ggandol
On July 15 2012 17:36 00Visor wrote: That really was terrible scheduling. And how come there were so many walkovers? Moosegills could have qualified winning one single match. (make you think of Ggandol
Yeah, I thought the same thing too (about Moosegills being the potential GGanDoL). Unlike the Regionals, this Satellite was free to enter, so there were a bunch players in the bracket who didn't take this too seriously, because they had no investment in it (yeah, the Regionals were $10, but that's something).
I'm a little disappointed about what happened with IceCream and HwangSin (not that they were disallowed from playing, but the way it happened), but at least the former should get in through the Amateur Satellite. I'd hoped that Scarlett would get another chance there as well (considering that her breakout performance was at IPL4), but she's one match win away from making too much money at WCS Canada!
Hey wait... I wasn't a notable registered player? zzz TT
Who qualed? atleast update the OP with the poeple who made it out of the satalite (BTW: I feel very sorry for Idra/Incontrol, weren't both of them casting EG team league finals same time as this?)
On July 20 2012 20:27 Glon wrote: Hey wait... I wasn't a notable registered player? zzz TT
Who qualed? atleast update the OP with the poeple who made it out of the satalite (BTW: I feel very sorry for Idra/Incontrol, weren't both of them casting EG team league finals same time as this?)
They were at NASL/WCS Canada.
I guess IPL expects people to just look at the bracket link and see the eight players at the end of it? It's not exactly the most clear way of conveying that information. Oh well, at least theres this:
IPL had the ability to fix this, and instead pretty much ignored all the posters making valid complaints
i understand that you could say 'its not ipls fault'...your right...but IPL could have promoted themselves soo much by going 'oh hey, your right, lets do it this way instead'.
Its a qualifier, not a LAN, changes couldve been made.
Edit: skipping my lament at missing my fav players..But is there any info on the Amateur Satellite??
On July 20 2012 22:45 ohampatu wrote: IPL had the ability to fix this, and instead pretty much ignored all the posters making valid complaints
i understand that you could say 'its not ipls fault'...your right...but IPL could have promoted themselves soo much by going 'oh hey, your right, lets do it this way instead'.
Its a qualifier, not a LAN, changes couldve been made.
Edit: skipping my lament at missing my fav players..But is there any info on the Amateur Satellite??
North American Regional – Saturday Saturday, May 26 9:00pm CEST (GMT+02:00) (3:00pm EDT) European Regional – Saturday Saturday, Jun 02 3:00pm CEST (GMT+02:00) (3:00pm CEST) Korean Regional – Saturday Sunday, Jun 24 8:00am CEST (GMT+02:00) (3:00pm KST Sunday) International Regional – Saturday Saturday, Jun 30 7:00pm CEST (GMT+02:00) Amateur Championship – Saturday Saturday, Jul 07 7:00pm CEST (GMT+02:00)
North American Satellite – Saturday Saturday, Jul 14 9:00pm CEST (GMT+02:00) European Satellite – Saturday Saturday, Jul 21 3:00pm CEST (GMT+02:00) Asian Satellite – Saturday Sunday, Jul 29 8:00am CEST (GMT+02:00) Amateur Satellite – Saturday Saturday, Aug 04 7:00pm CEST (GMT+02:00)
Amateur is defined by the following: Amateurs must not have earned more than $1,000 in live events.
North American Regional – Saturday Saturday, May 26 9:00pm CEST (GMT+02:00) (3:00pm EDT) European Regional – Saturday Saturday, Jun 02 3:00pm CEST (GMT+02:00) (3:00pm CEST) Korean Regional – Saturday Sunday, Jun 24 8:00am CEST (GMT+02:00) (3:00pm KST Sunday) International Regional – Saturday Saturday, Jun 30 7:00pm CEST (GMT+02:00) Amateur Championship – Saturday Saturday, Jul 07 7:00pm CEST (GMT+02:00)
North American Satellite – Saturday Saturday, Jul 14 9:00pm CEST (GMT+02:00) European Satellite – Saturday Saturday, Jul 21 3:00pm CEST (GMT+02:00) Asian Satellite – Saturday Sunday, Jul 29 8:00am CEST (GMT+02:00) Amateur Satellite – Saturday Saturday, Aug 04 7:00pm CEST (GMT+02:00)
Amateur is defined by the following: Amateurs must not have earned more than $1,000 in live events.
Im not gonna lie, IPL is confusing the shit out of me with regionals/qualifers/champinoships etc. And i am not finding good detailed threads about this.
The amaeur satellite: I would like to play in this, i have a question though. Is it going to be amateurs, or is it going to just be 'Every KR that hasn't yet won 1k'.....
On July 21 2012 00:05 ohampatu wrote: Dates and Times
North American Regional – Saturday Saturday, May 26 9:00pm CEST (GMT+02:00) (3:00pm EDT) European Regional – Saturday Saturday, Jun 02 3:00pm CEST (GMT+02:00) (3:00pm CEST) Korean Regional – Saturday Sunday, Jun 24 8:00am CEST (GMT+02:00) (3:00pm KST Sunday) International Regional – Saturday Saturday, Jun 30 7:00pm CEST (GMT+02:00) Amateur Championship – Saturday Saturday, Jul 07 7:00pm CEST (GMT+02:00)
North American Satellite – Saturday Saturday, Jul 14 9:00pm CEST (GMT+02:00) European Satellite – Saturday Saturday, Jul 21 3:00pm CEST (GMT+02:00) Asian Satellite – Saturday Sunday, Jul 29 8:00am CEST (GMT+02:00) Amateur Satellite – Saturday Saturday, Aug 04 7:00pm CEST (GMT+02:00)
Amateur is defined by the following: Amateurs must not have earned more than $1,000 in live events.
Im not gonna lie, IPL is confusing the shit out of me with regionals/qualifers/champinoships etc. And i am not finding good detailed threads about this.
The amaeur satellite: I would like to play in this, i have a question though. Is it going to be amateurs, or is it going to just be 'Every KR that hasn't yet won 1k'.....
It's anyone at all who doesn't have over 1k in live SC2 tournament winnings, so there are many Koreans on GSTL teams who haven't been in Code S (or had any other big live tourney scores) who are eligible.
That will give you some idea of the players who are eligible (SlayerS_Crank, ZenexST_Life, GosuIceCream (formerly oGs.Illusion), etc.) The difference is that the Amateur Championship gave out one paid trip to IPL5, while the Satellite will only give out places in the tournament, so there might not be as many Koreans attempting it. Not every team has the resources to send players overseas without expenses covered. Of course, Koreans on foreign teams are another matter entirely.
It's a free registration, so why not give it a go?
On July 21 2012 03:16 ohampatu wrote: Oh i will...I just think using the word Amateur is wrong
why not rename it code b in that sense
edit: as in, why do amateurs have to play vs KR pros that live in a pro-gaming house. kinda defeats the whole 'amateur' level
2nd edit: in fact, the amateur tourney looks harder than the NA or EU ones, lol @ this formatting and no open bracket..How is Crank or Life an amateur
3rd edit: your point about this not giving a free trip i guess may stop it, but i have a feeling its gonna be the same as the previous amateur one.
Yeah, like a bunch of things about the IPL5 qualifying process, it's not optimal, but it's their first try at doing things this way, so it may improve in the future (though I miss the open bracket). The problem is that it's hard to put in effective eligibility restrictions beyond pure winnings...perhaps a blacklist of teams along with the winnings cap, but then you have to take top non-Korean teams into account, and declare a line between pro/semi-pro teams. It seems like it could get a little messy.
Tis pretty simple. Take away the shitty 'monetary' rule, and add actual rules.
Amateur Rules:
1. Must not live in a Progaming House 2. Must not be part of a Progaming Team 3. Must not have placed highly in any known/good tournament.
The racist rule: They could go really far and use the above 3, with an added rule of 'must live in NA or EU regions'. (this is not ideal, but would make sure lesser known KR pros aren't winning amateur events, they are pros, not amateurs, even if they dont win money)
Now these are very basic, and would need to be more detailed/defined/etc. But all of that would prevent actual pro's from joining. Unless they just want a tourney for pros who haven't 'broke out yet'. If thats the case please rename it.
On July 21 2012 04:49 ohampatu wrote: Tis pretty simple. Take away the shitty 'monetary' rule, and add actual rules.
Amateur Rules:
1. Must not live in a Progaming House 2. Must not be part of a Progaming Team 3. Must not have placed highly in any known/good tournament.
The racist rule: They could go really far and use the above 3, with an added rule of 'must live in NA or EU regions'. (this is not ideal, but would make sure lesser known KR pros aren't winning amateur events, they are pros, not amateurs, even if they dont win money)
Now these are very basic, and would need to be more detailed/defined/etc. But all of that would prevent actual pro's from joining. Unless they just want a tourney for pros who haven't 'broke out yet'. If thats the case please rename it.
I don't understand. Why would koreans who don't win money participate? In the satalites, IPL does NOT pay for flight/hotel, so paying to get from korea to Vegas would be very very expensive, probably not something lesser known korean players are willing to/can do
On July 21 2012 11:34 ThePlayer33 wrote: Bisu should win this
You raise a good point that came to mind earlier, but I didn't post: If it's strictly based on SC2 live earnings, then all the current KeSPA players would be eligible to enter the Amateur Satellite. (That Anaheim tournament didn't pay out any money, did it?)
On July 21 2012 04:49 ohampatu wrote: Tis pretty simple. Take away the shitty 'monetary' rule, and add actual rules.
Amateur Rules:
1. Must not live in a Progaming House 2. Must not be part of a Progaming Team 3. Must not have placed highly in any known/good tournament.
The racist rule: They could go really far and use the above 3, with an added rule of 'must live in NA or EU regions'. (this is not ideal, but would make sure lesser known KR pros aren't winning amateur events, they are pros, not amateurs, even if they dont win money)
Now these are very basic, and would need to be more detailed/defined/etc. But all of that would prevent actual pro's from joining. Unless they just want a tourney for pros who haven't 'broke out yet'. If thats the case please rename it.
I don't understand. Why would koreans who don't win money participate? In the satalites, IPL does NOT pay for flight/hotel, so paying to get from korea to Vegas would be very very expensive, probably not something lesser known korean players are willing to/can do
There are players who don't have $1k live tournament winnings, but are on teams that may be willing to take the expense to send them (e.g. TSL_HyuN).
Looks like Sting and a couple of Koreans on foreign teams, but far less participation from Koreans than it looked like there was going to be, given the turnout at the Amateur Championship and (especially) last week's Asian Satellite.
Looks like Sting and a couple of Koreans on foreign teams, but far less participation from Koreans than it looked like there was going to be, given the turnout at the Amateur Championship and (especially) last week's Asian Satellite.
probably the time and lack of paid trip, maybe? also, wondering what the IPL5 guys meant when they said they had a solution haha
Looks like Sting and a couple of Koreans on foreign teams, but far less participation from Koreans than it looked like there was going to be, given the turnout at the Amateur Championship and (especially) last week's Asian Satellite.
probably the time and lack of paid trip, maybe? also, wondering what the IPL5 guys meant when they said they had a solution haha
They're going to add more qualifiers and places in the live event to appease the players who had conflicts (NASL/WCS Canada on the NA Satellite date, and perhaps WCS Ukraine/Russia on the EU satellite date) and their fans. It's in the OP of official Amateur Satellite thread, along with a sort-of pre-announcement of the location and date of IPL5 (November the something-or-other at the Cosmo).
By the way, I'm shocked that TSL didn't get anyone registered for the Amateur Satellite, because if there's anyone that I'd figure would be able and willing to send players to the US, it would be Coach Lee. Now that I look back at the Amateur Championship entry list on Liquipedia, it appears that they didn't enter anyone in that, either. Perhaps they decided to honor the sprit of the "Amateur" title by not entering...
...or maybe I'm trying too hard to find something in this that makes sense. They didn't show up last week, either
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