The Intel Extreme Masters are coming back to gamescom (held in Cologne, Germany from August 15th to 19th) to kick off season 7. Here is your chance to qualify from Korea and Taiwan! Two of the best players from the region will qualify for gamescom. You must advance through 2* stages to do so. See how below.
SCHEDULE
Qualifier 1: July 13th 11:00 CEST Qualifier 2: July 18th 11:00 CEST Qualifier 3: July 23rd 11:00 CEST Qualifier 4: July 27th 11:00 CEST Final Qualifier: July 30th 11:00 CEST
From the 4 initial qualifiers that take place, 1st place will advance on to Stage 2, to fight it out against the previous 4 highest ranking seeds from the previous IEM Season.
Keep in mind that ESL does not cover the full travel and commendation cost. They give a ton more money to qualified players this season (950$ to all i think?), but not all inclusive trips like MLG.
So then this is still more players/teams who show interest this year than last season. When there was maybe like 2 or 3 korean players able/willing to take the cost and hope for a payback from prize earnings.
edit: If for example one IEM Event would be held in Seoul, you bet your backside that this qualifiers would be stacked :-) Thats how it works, but also keep in mind that IEM is events in many different continents - so the idea is I think that each continent gets at least once a chance to have low travel cost (they also get more slots then)
There's barely any players playing because if you qualify, you still have to pay for flights + accommodation to the final tournament, which most Korean teams can't afford.
On July 13 2012 19:24 GTR wrote: There's barely any players playing because if you qualify, you still have to pay for flights + accommodation to the final tournament, which most Korean teams can't afford.
Atleast Startale, IM, MvP, FXO and Fnatic should be able to?
But as long as I can see sC performing, I'm happy.
On July 13 2012 20:17 Bagration wrote: I wonder why DRG wasn't seeded and Supernova was. Supernova was the only one who didn't win an IEM event last season...he got *gasp* second!
So, allright... before the finals started TLO and Inori agreed in chat on Bo5. But the rules state Bo3. It's 2-1 for TLO, they are debating on what should happen now :/
Match Format All matches are Bo3. Bans are done using the ABAB system. The player on the left of the ESL matchsheet will ban a map first. Then his opponent will do the same. The same procedure will repeat until 3 maps are left. The player on the right of the ESL matchsheet will then pick the first map, then his opponent the second map. The remaining map will be the third map.
Final match will be Bo5. With only one ban per player and picks on ABAB format.
On July 18 2012 21:58 TBO wrote: OMG continue as bo5....
Well it sucks, but it's fairest imho
completely disagree, cluelessness of players should not be able to cause rule changes even if they were mutual mistakes. A Bo5 favours the better player compared to a Bo3, therefore it is not fair towards the weaker player at all if he gets a disadvantage just because nobody didn't know the rules.
Match Format All matches are Bo3. Bans are done using the ABAB system. The player on the left of the ESL matchsheet will ban a map first. Then his opponent will do the same. The same procedure will repeat until 3 maps are left. The player on the right of the ESL matchsheet will then pick the first map, then his opponent the second map. The remaining map will be the third map.
Final match will be Bo5. With only one ban per player and picks on ABAB format.
On July 18 2012 21:58 TBO wrote: OMG continue as bo5....
Well it sucks, but it's fairest imho
completely disagree, cluelessness of players should not be able to cause rule changes even if they were mutual mistakes. A Bo5 favours the better player compared to a Bo3, therefore it is not fair towards the weaker player at all if he gets a disadvantage just because nobody didn't know the rules.
As the caster (Icicle) put it, everyone was under the impression that is was a Bo5 when they started, even the admin. Which is super super dumb, and it sucks extra for TLO as he reached "2" as first, Of course it should have been a Bo3, but it was started as a Bo5. That's the explanation why I think it is fairest, in this situation, to finish the Bo5.
I dont understand why he didnt wait 10 sec for +1 to finish on roaches before attacking.... there was no pressure on him, he is on 3 bases with good economy. He could have just sat and waited for the push not charge lings vs zealots
On July 18 2012 22:14 ESLSEA wrote: As stated above, it was clearly explained to the players and the casters it was a Bo5 before the match even started..
That doesn't really answer the question of why it's different than the other qualifier. Was it explained to the players why the rules were suddenly changed in the middle of the qualifier series?
Edit: By the way, rules exist to resolve confusion. The rules were there beforehand. You guys got confused. The solution is not to change the rules to cover your confused asses, but to stick to the rules.
On July 18 2012 22:14 ESLSEA wrote: As stated above, it was clearly explained to the players and the casters it was a Bo5 before the match even started..
That doesn't really answer the question of why it's different than the other qualifier. Was it explained to the players why the rules were suddenly changed in the middle of the qualifier series?
Edit: By the way, rules exist to resolve confusion. The rules were there beforehand. You guys got confused. The solution is not to change the rules to cover your confused asses, but to stick to the rules.
The finals were always intended to be Bo5. Last qualifier Bo3 happened due to a miscommunication and was not changed since both players started the game being told it was Bo3, upgrading it to Bo5 afterwards does not make it better, just worst.
The leagueinfo for this cup were a copy/paste, each player is reminded of the rules at anytime during the tournament. Leagueinfo is a guide provided for everybody to be aware of the general ground. Our mistake here, and out deepest apologies from the ESL Asia staff (we are the one organizing the qualifiers), was to not put too much weight on the leagueinfo towards our audience that might be interested in it.
why would they need to agree to a bo3 when the rules stated that all matches are bo3 - you can't have admins tell them its bo5 just before the match. Players need to be able to rely on the written rules which are made before the tournament , not on some admins suddenly telling them something different.
On July 18 2012 22:14 ESLSEA wrote: As stated above, it was clearly explained to the players and the casters it was a Bo5 before the match even started..
That doesn't really answer the question of why it's different than the other qualifier. Was it explained to the players why the rules were suddenly changed in the middle of the qualifier series?
Edit: By the way, rules exist to resolve confusion. The rules were there beforehand. You guys got confused. The solution is not to change the rules to cover your confused asses, but to stick to the rules.
They didn't "change" the rule. They had an incorrect information on their website. Big difference.
If they changed it to Bo3, that would be changing the rule to cover their ass.
On July 18 2012 22:14 ESLSEA wrote: As stated above, it was clearly explained to the players and the casters it was a Bo5 before the match even started..
That doesn't really answer the question of why it's different than the other qualifier. Was it explained to the players why the rules were suddenly changed in the middle of the qualifier series?
Edit: By the way, rules exist to resolve confusion. The rules were there beforehand. You guys got confused. The solution is not to change the rules to cover your confused asses, but to stick to the rules.
They didn't "change" the rule. They had an incorrect information on their website. Big difference.
If they changed it to Bo3, that would be changing the rule to cover their ass.
Uhm where were the correct rules stated? If they were not available for the players anywhere before the tournament, it's silly to say that they didn't changed them. Should players just "guess" that it is bo5?
On July 18 2012 22:27 opterown wrote: i guess if you look at it from inori's position he'd've been hella pissed if it got stuck at a bo3
players not reading the rules and suffering from it had happened a lot before, its the players fault if they suffer from that - if they benefit from it, they are lucky...
On July 18 2012 22:14 ESLSEA wrote: As stated above, it was clearly explained to the players and the casters it was a Bo5 before the match even started..
That doesn't really answer the question of why it's different than the other qualifier. Was it explained to the players why the rules were suddenly changed in the middle of the qualifier series?
Edit: By the way, rules exist to resolve confusion. The rules were there beforehand. You guys got confused. The solution is not to change the rules to cover your confused asses, but to stick to the rules.
They didn't "change" the rule. They had an incorrect information on their website. Big difference.
If they changed it to Bo3, that would be changing the rule to cover their ass.
As far as I'm concerned, the written rules are the rules. Doesn't matter if that's not what they meant to put on there; players can't read minds. Doesn't matter what an admin says; the admin doesn't talk to every player. However, the information written on the website is available to everyone. If I were a player and I wanted to know the rules that's where I would go. So if they fucked up that information and it wasn't what they intended then, tough shit, they should stick with those written rules and "fix" it next time with a proper announcement.
I'm sorry, but... What the hell, IEM? The rules clearly state "all matches bo3". Yesterdays finals WAS BO3! And now, you change rules to bo5 right after TLO wins a bo3? Are you kidding me? Why would you not want a foreigner to win a Korean Qualifier? Is it against the rules? NO. Does it hurt TLO, Team Liquid and the SC2 scene? YES. I don't get. I'm ending this post here, because i don't want to get banned...
On July 18 2012 22:23 ESLSEA wrote: The finals were always intended to be Bo5. Last qualifier Bo3 happened due to a miscommunication and was not changed since both players started the game being told it was Bo3, upgrading it to Bo5 afterwards does not make it better, just worst.
The leagueinfo for this cup were a copy/paste, each player is reminded of the rules at anytime during the tournament. Leagueinfo is a guide provided for everybody to be aware of the general ground. Our mistake here, and out deepest apologies from the ESL Asia staff (we are the one organizing the qualifiers), was to not put too much weight on the leagueinfo towards our audience that might be interested in it.
Intentions are no Rules. Rules need to be written down and be available beforehand of the tournament to be legit. Anything else is just arbitrary.
Can someone sum up the situation? Imo the rules stated on the website are the only "true" rules, especially when the other qualifier was played that way.
On July 18 2012 22:14 ESLSEA wrote: As stated above, it was clearly explained to the players and the casters it was a Bo5 before the match even started..
That doesn't really answer the question of why it's different than the other qualifier. Was it explained to the players why the rules were suddenly changed in the middle of the qualifier series?
Edit: By the way, rules exist to resolve confusion. The rules were there beforehand. You guys got confused. The solution is not to change the rules to cover your confused asses, but to stick to the rules.
They didn't "change" the rule. They had an incorrect information on their website. Big difference.
If they changed it to Bo3, that would be changing the rule to cover their ass.
Uhm where were the correct rules stated? If they were not available for the players anywhere before the tournament, it's silly to say that they didn't changed them. Should players just "guess" that it is bo5?
On July 18 2012 22:14 ESLSEA wrote: As stated above, it was clearly explained to the players and the casters it was a Bo5 before the match even started..
That doesn't really answer the question of why it's different than the other qualifier. Was it explained to the players why the rules were suddenly changed in the middle of the qualifier series?
Edit: By the way, rules exist to resolve confusion. The rules were there beforehand. You guys got confused. The solution is not to change the rules to cover your confused asses, but to stick to the rules.
They didn't "change" the rule. They had an incorrect information on their website. Big difference.
If they changed it to Bo3, that would be changing the rule to cover their ass.
Uhm where were the correct rules stated? If they were not available for the players anywhere before the tournament, it's silly to say that they didn't changed them. Should players just "guess" that it is bo5?
They were told that it was Bo5.
uhm so the rules were changed DURING the tournament? that is not acceptable. ( or did they tell everyone that the final is going to be Bo5 before the 1st round was played)?
On July 18 2012 22:14 ESLSEA wrote: As stated above, it was clearly explained to the players and the casters it was a Bo5 before the match even started..
That doesn't really answer the question of why it's different than the other qualifier. Was it explained to the players why the rules were suddenly changed in the middle of the qualifier series?
Edit: By the way, rules exist to resolve confusion. The rules were there beforehand. You guys got confused. The solution is not to change the rules to cover your confused asses, but to stick to the rules.
They didn't "change" the rule. They had an incorrect information on their website. Big difference.
If they changed it to Bo3, that would be changing the rule to cover their ass.
As far as I'm concerned, the written rules are the rules. Doesn't matter if that's not what they meant to put on there; players can't read minds. Doesn't matter what an admin says; the admin doesn't talk to every player. However, the information written on the website is available to everyone. If I were a player and I wanted to know the rules that's where I would go. So if they fucked up that information and it wasn't what they intended then, tough shit, they should stick with those written rules and "fix" it next time with a proper announcement.
You didn't know the rule then, tough shit, doesn't mean it gets changed for you.
Oh Carmac you have some more stuff to clean up now >.< So sad that Admins messed it up, not the caster nor the players but a tournament admin, eurgh! Sorry for TLO too who played well and unkown to him had gone through eek.
On July 18 2012 22:14 ESLSEA wrote: As stated above, it was clearly explained to the players and the casters it was a Bo5 before the match even started..
That doesn't really answer the question of why it's different than the other qualifier. Was it explained to the players why the rules were suddenly changed in the middle of the qualifier series?
Edit: By the way, rules exist to resolve confusion. The rules were there beforehand. You guys got confused. The solution is not to change the rules to cover your confused asses, but to stick to the rules.
They didn't "change" the rule. They had an incorrect information on their website. Big difference.
If they changed it to Bo3, that would be changing the rule to cover their ass.
As far as I'm concerned, the written rules are the rules. Doesn't matter if that's not what they meant to put on there; players can't read minds. Doesn't matter what an admin says; the admin doesn't talk to every player. However, the information written on the website is available to everyone. If I were a player and I wanted to know the rules that's where I would go. So if they fucked up that information and it wasn't what they intended then, tough shit, they should stick with those written rules and "fix" it next time with a proper announcement.
You didn't know the rule then, tough shit, doesn't mean it gets changed for you.
problem is no that he didn't knew the rule , problem is that the rule said Bo3 beforehand the tournament...
On July 18 2012 22:14 ESLSEA wrote: As stated above, it was clearly explained to the players and the casters it was a Bo5 before the match even started..
That doesn't really answer the question of why it's different than the other qualifier. Was it explained to the players why the rules were suddenly changed in the middle of the qualifier series?
Edit: By the way, rules exist to resolve confusion. The rules were there beforehand. You guys got confused. The solution is not to change the rules to cover your confused asses, but to stick to the rules.
They didn't "change" the rule. They had an incorrect information on their website. Big difference.
If they changed it to Bo3, that would be changing the rule to cover their ass.
Uhm where were the correct rules stated? If they were not available for the players anywhere before the tournament, it's silly to say that they didn't changed them. Should players just "guess" that it is bo5?
They were told that it was Bo5.
uhm so the rules were changed DURING the tournament? that is not acceptable. ( or did they tell everyone that the final is going to be Bo5 before the 1st round was played)?
Look at the very first quote above.
Edit:
On July 18 2012 22:14 ESLSEA wrote: As stated above, it was clearly explained to the players and the casters it was a Bo5 before the match even started..
On July 18 2012 22:14 ESLSEA wrote: As stated above, it was clearly explained to the players and the casters it was a Bo5 before the match even started..
That doesn't really answer the question of why it's different than the other qualifier. Was it explained to the players why the rules were suddenly changed in the middle of the qualifier series?
Edit: By the way, rules exist to resolve confusion. The rules were there beforehand. You guys got confused. The solution is not to change the rules to cover your confused asses, but to stick to the rules.
They didn't "change" the rule. They had an incorrect information on their website. Big difference.
If they changed it to Bo3, that would be changing the rule to cover their ass.
Uhm where were the correct rules stated? If they were not available for the players anywhere before the tournament, it's silly to say that they didn't changed them. Should players just "guess" that it is bo5?
They were told that it was Bo5.
uhm so the rules were changed DURING the tournament? that is not acceptable. ( or did they tell everyone that the final is going to be Bo5 before the 1st round was played)?
Look at the very first quote above.
it says "before the match" not "before the tournament"
On July 18 2012 22:14 ESLSEA wrote: As stated above, it was clearly explained to the players and the casters it was a Bo5 before the match even started..
That doesn't really answer the question of why it's different than the other qualifier. Was it explained to the players why the rules were suddenly changed in the middle of the qualifier series?
Edit: By the way, rules exist to resolve confusion. The rules were there beforehand. You guys got confused. The solution is not to change the rules to cover your confused asses, but to stick to the rules.
They didn't "change" the rule. They had an incorrect information on their website. Big difference.
If they changed it to Bo3, that would be changing the rule to cover their ass.
As far as I'm concerned, the written rules are the rules. Doesn't matter if that's not what they meant to put on there; players can't read minds. Doesn't matter what an admin says; the admin doesn't talk to every player. However, the information written on the website is available to everyone. If I were a player and I wanted to know the rules that's where I would go. So if they fucked up that information and it wasn't what they intended then, tough shit, they should stick with those written rules and "fix" it next time with a proper announcement.
You didn't know the rule then, tough shit, doesn't mean it gets changed for you.
I did know the rule. The rule written down was that all games are Bo3.
On July 18 2012 22:14 ESLSEA wrote: As stated above, it was clearly explained to the players and the casters it was a Bo5 before the match even started..
That doesn't really answer the question of why it's different than the other qualifier. Was it explained to the players why the rules were suddenly changed in the middle of the qualifier series?
Edit: By the way, rules exist to resolve confusion. The rules were there beforehand. You guys got confused. The solution is not to change the rules to cover your confused asses, but to stick to the rules.
They didn't "change" the rule. They had an incorrect information on their website. Big difference.
If they changed it to Bo3, that would be changing the rule to cover their ass.
As far as I'm concerned, the written rules are the rules. Doesn't matter if that's not what they meant to put on there; players can't read minds. Doesn't matter what an admin says; the admin doesn't talk to every player. However, the information written on the website is available to everyone. If I were a player and I wanted to know the rules that's where I would go. So if they fucked up that information and it wasn't what they intended then, tough shit, they should stick with those written rules and "fix" it next time with a proper announcement.
You didn't know the rule then, tough shit, doesn't mean it gets changed for you.
I did know the rule. The rule written down was that all games are Bo3.
On July 18 2012 22:14 ESLSEA wrote: As stated above, it was clearly explained to the players and the casters it was a Bo5 before the match even started..
That doesn't really answer the question of why it's different than the other qualifier. Was it explained to the players why the rules were suddenly changed in the middle of the qualifier series?
Edit: By the way, rules exist to resolve confusion. The rules were there beforehand. You guys got confused. The solution is not to change the rules to cover your confused asses, but to stick to the rules.
They didn't "change" the rule. They had an incorrect information on their website. Big difference.
If they changed it to Bo3, that would be changing the rule to cover their ass.
As far as I'm concerned, the written rules are the rules. Doesn't matter if that's not what they meant to put on there; players can't read minds. Doesn't matter what an admin says; the admin doesn't talk to every player. However, the information written on the website is available to everyone. If I were a player and I wanted to know the rules that's where I would go. So if they fucked up that information and it wasn't what they intended then, tough shit, they should stick with those written rules and "fix" it next time with a proper announcement.
You didn't know the rule then, tough shit, doesn't mean it gets changed for you.
I did know the rule. The rule written down was that all games are Bo3.
Apparently not.
And you don't think it's an issue that what they wrote down as the rules were not the "real" rules?
On July 18 2012 22:14 ESLSEA wrote: As stated above, it was clearly explained to the players and the casters it was a Bo5 before the match even started..
That doesn't really answer the question of why it's different than the other qualifier. Was it explained to the players why the rules were suddenly changed in the middle of the qualifier series?
Edit: By the way, rules exist to resolve confusion. The rules were there beforehand. You guys got confused. The solution is not to change the rules to cover your confused asses, but to stick to the rules.
They didn't "change" the rule. They had an incorrect information on their website. Big difference.
If they changed it to Bo3, that would be changing the rule to cover their ass.
As far as I'm concerned, the written rules are the rules. Doesn't matter if that's not what they meant to put on there; players can't read minds. Doesn't matter what an admin says; the admin doesn't talk to every player. However, the information written on the website is available to everyone. If I were a player and I wanted to know the rules that's where I would go. So if they fucked up that information and it wasn't what they intended then, tough shit, they should stick with those written rules and "fix" it next time with a proper announcement.
You didn't know the rule then, tough shit, doesn't mean it gets changed for you.
I did know the rule. The rule written down was that all games are Bo3.
Apparently not.
So your telling me the Korean qualifier finals should ALL be best of 5? Yet the American/EU qualifiers should not? And it was "wrote down on the website wrong"
On July 18 2012 22:23 ESLSEA wrote: The finals were always intended to be Bo5. Last qualifier Bo3 happened due to a miscommunication and was not changed since both players started the game being told it was Bo3, upgrading it to Bo5 afterwards does not make it better, just worst.
This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. They were told it was Bo3 but it was intended to be Bo5?
There was already miscommunication in the last finals about the amount of games and you don't consider to fix the rules after that?
So you are basically telling us you did mistakes in 2/2 qualifiers. in the first not following the intended rules and in the 2nd one not following the actual rules.
On July 18 2012 22:14 ESLSEA wrote: As stated above, it was clearly explained to the players and the casters it was a Bo5 before the match even started..
That doesn't really answer the question of why it's different than the other qualifier. Was it explained to the players why the rules were suddenly changed in the middle of the qualifier series?
Edit: By the way, rules exist to resolve confusion. The rules were there beforehand. You guys got confused. The solution is not to change the rules to cover your confused asses, but to stick to the rules.
They didn't "change" the rule. They had an incorrect information on their website. Big difference.
If they changed it to Bo3, that would be changing the rule to cover their ass.
Uhm where were the correct rules stated? If they were not available for the players anywhere before the tournament, it's silly to say that they didn't changed them. Should players just "guess" that it is bo5?
They were told that it was Bo5.
uhm so the rules were changed DURING the tournament? that is not acceptable. ( or did they tell everyone that the final is going to be Bo5 before the 1st round was played)?
Look at the very first quote above.
it says "before the match" not "before the tournament"
Oh I see. Well then you can ask them since I have no clue.
On July 18 2012 22:14 ESLSEA wrote: As stated above, it was clearly explained to the players and the casters it was a Bo5 before the match even started..
That doesn't really answer the question of why it's different than the other qualifier. Was it explained to the players why the rules were suddenly changed in the middle of the qualifier series?
Edit: By the way, rules exist to resolve confusion. The rules were there beforehand. You guys got confused. The solution is not to change the rules to cover your confused asses, but to stick to the rules.
They didn't "change" the rule. They had an incorrect information on their website. Big difference.
If they changed it to Bo3, that would be changing the rule to cover their ass.
As far as I'm concerned, the written rules are the rules. Doesn't matter if that's not what they meant to put on there; players can't read minds. Doesn't matter what an admin says; the admin doesn't talk to every player. However, the information written on the website is available to everyone. If I were a player and I wanted to know the rules that's where I would go. So if they fucked up that information and it wasn't what they intended then, tough shit, they should stick with those written rules and "fix" it next time with a proper announcement.
You didn't know the rule then, tough shit, doesn't mean it gets changed for you.
I did know the rule. The rule written down was that all games are Bo3.
Apparently not.
And you don't think it's an issue that what they wrote down as the rules were not the "real" rules?
It is a big issue and I'd fire the person if he was working for me.
On July 18 2012 22:14 ESLSEA wrote: As stated above, it was clearly explained to the players and the casters it was a Bo5 before the match even started..
That doesn't really answer the question of why it's different than the other qualifier. Was it explained to the players why the rules were suddenly changed in the middle of the qualifier series?
Edit: By the way, rules exist to resolve confusion. The rules were there beforehand. You guys got confused. The solution is not to change the rules to cover your confused asses, but to stick to the rules.
They didn't "change" the rule. They had an incorrect information on their website. Big difference.
If they changed it to Bo3, that would be changing the rule to cover their ass.
As far as I'm concerned, the written rules are the rules. Doesn't matter if that's not what they meant to put on there; players can't read minds. Doesn't matter what an admin says; the admin doesn't talk to every player. However, the information written on the website is available to everyone. If I were a player and I wanted to know the rules that's where I would go. So if they fucked up that information and it wasn't what they intended then, tough shit, they should stick with those written rules and "fix" it next time with a proper announcement.
You didn't know the rule then, tough shit, doesn't mean it gets changed for you.
I did know the rule. The rule written down was that all games are Bo3.
Apparently not.
So your telling me the Korean qualifier finals should ALL be best of 5? Yet the American/EU qualifiers should not? And it was "wrote down on the website wrong"
I'm not, ESL admins are.
What I'm saying is that putting the incorrect information on the website was pretty big screw-up, but changing the rule isn't part of the said screw-up.
On July 18 2012 22:14 ESLSEA wrote: As stated above, it was clearly explained to the players and the casters it was a Bo5 before the match even started..
That doesn't really answer the question of why it's different than the other qualifier. Was it explained to the players why the rules were suddenly changed in the middle of the qualifier series?
Edit: By the way, rules exist to resolve confusion. The rules were there beforehand. You guys got confused. The solution is not to change the rules to cover your confused asses, but to stick to the rules.
They didn't "change" the rule. They had an incorrect information on their website. Big difference.
If they changed it to Bo3, that would be changing the rule to cover their ass.
As far as I'm concerned, the written rules are the rules. Doesn't matter if that's not what they meant to put on there; players can't read minds. Doesn't matter what an admin says; the admin doesn't talk to every player. However, the information written on the website is available to everyone. If I were a player and I wanted to know the rules that's where I would go. So if they fucked up that information and it wasn't what they intended then, tough shit, they should stick with those written rules and "fix" it next time with a proper announcement.
You didn't know the rule then, tough shit, doesn't mean it gets changed for you.
I did know the rule. The rule written down was that all games are Bo3.
Apparently not.
So your telling me the Korean qualifier finals should ALL be best of 5? Yet the American/EU qualifiers should not? And it was "wrote down on the website wrong"
I'm not, ESL admins are.
What I'm saying is that putting the incorrect information on the website was pretty big screw-up, but changing the rule isn't part of the said screw-up.
imo it's like writing on the page that you get 100$ prize money and then it turns out the info on the page was just wrong and it actually is 1$ - but it's all okay because the players got "told before the match"
No reason to stir up shit now, TLO wouldn't take one of the 2 Korea spots anyway in the end. This is still a good result for him.
ESL really needs to have the same rules for all their regional qualifiers though. I already thought it was strange how the Americans had to play the full bracket every stage to determine who can choose his opponent next round, whereas in Europe it wasn't that way.
ESL truly have failed by not updating their rules beforehand.
But aren't we a bit responsible of this fiasco too ? I mean, it seemed to be very clear to everybody involved it was a Bo5 match until some external people started to make a fuss about a leagueinfo (in english, not sure all the koreans involved did read any of them anyway) and bugged the players. Would those external have stayed quiet at least until the end (to attack once the match over and not in the middle), would not have TLO won this Bo5 by being mentally not affected by this controversy ?
On July 19 2012 02:29 Jason857 wrote: ESL truly have failed by not updating their rules beforehand.
But aren't we a bit responsible of this fiasco too ? I mean, it seemed to be very clear to everybody involved it was a Bo5 match until some external people started to make a fuss about a leagueinfo (in english, not sure all the koreans involved did read any of them anyway) and bugged the players. Would those external have stayed quiet at least until the end (to attack once the match over and not in the middle), would not have TLO won this Bo5 by being mentally not affected by this controversy ?
this external person was me. I did it being 100% sure that the rule is Best of Three and that the caster and players simply had it wrong. The caster also said that both are already qualified and some other wrong stuff so it wasn't very likely that it was actually best of five - considering the official rules stated "all matches are best of three" and after looking up the first qualifier which ended in a 2-1.
I simply wanted to avoid a situation where Dario had won the Bo3 but loses the Bo5 and then would have been either robbed of a legitimate win or having to protest afterwards which would look like he is a bad loser.
On July 24 2012 00:15 WigglingSquid wrote: Life giving a walkover to Sinabro, Ace PvPing Creator out and then losing to Sleep, Sleep qualifies over Sinabro. /sighs.
Aww MC has to beat all his ex team mates ;; Luvsic then SuperNova (maybe) xD Puma however has a hard time Sleep then more than likely has to try and beat MMA :| OUCH. MC vs MMA dream finals though? Would love to see that. All games bo3 still? Also, are MC and Puma playing from Finland or are they still in Korea?
On July 30 2012 17:21 Pandemona wrote: Aww MC has to beat all his ex team mates ;; JookTo then SuperNova (maybe) xD Puma however has a hard time Sleep then more than likely has to try and beat MMA :| OUCH. MC vs MMA dream finals though? Would love to see that. All games bo3 still?
It's former- oGsLuvsic, JookTo sadly doesnt seems to have found a new team yet. But indeed 3 of them in top part of the bracket is a shame, though it's double elimination at least. This should be good, will tune in for sure!
Decent game 1, MMA played nicely to keep his big early advantage throughout the game while SuperNova defended pretty well to hang in for as long as he did.
On July 30 2012 20:10 Fubi wrote: I think that double medivac drop in the beginning killed MMA; that's 20 supply worth of army which he could of had to beat supernova's big push
still wondering how supernova saw it tho
I would guess it was a precautionary move and he got lucky on the timing.
He was forced off the watchtower by bio and medivacs so he knew they were out on the map.
He then confirmed there was no continued pressure being exerted through the paths round the middle of the map because he held the second watchtower and nothing came across them.
You normally expect bio to flex its muscles a bit once medivacs are out and if there's no pressure coming on the ground there's a good chance it might be coming as a drop.
The barracks didn't spot anything along the top of the map but he sent the vikings up below it to cover because it's much more important to pre-empt a drop in the main than into the nat (you tend to rally down to your nat so it's easy to react and defend there and you've got much more to lose in your main (tech/upgrades particularly at that time)).
Game sense and a bit of luck.
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MMA gets the better of the openings in game 3 with nice defence.
Wow sick midgame from SuperNova to take control of the game. Kind of a bad decision to attack with so few marines though, nothing to buffer for tanks and lost a ton almost for free.
On July 30 2012 20:32 chrissummers wrote: Kaelaris is a reaaaaly good solocaster. Almost never seen anyone being that active observing- and entertainment wise without making it awkward. gj!
I still think ESL should give him a permanent co-caster. His solocasting is good, but I feel solocasting will always be a bit to monotonous compared to two casters.
Good to see MMA back at Gamescom, his recent games were really entertaining.
Congrats to MMA and Inori for qualifying. I've always found Inori such an enigma because he is capable of taking on Code S players and defeating them handedly, but will get crushed by Code B players more than often. Hope we see the Code S slaying Inori at IEM.
Have the replays been uploaded by now? I cant find them
You have to pick the series you want and click on the "vs." right in the brackets. That brings you to the match details and all the replays should be there.
I heard you can't actually report a result on the ESL website without adding the replay data, or the system won't accept it. So the replays should be there in the very moment the result is reported, but I am not sure if that's true.
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