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On July 13 2012 02:28 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Jinro's run is way better than Naniwa's...People don't seem to get it, but Naniwa's run isn't that great:
He went 2-1 in his round 48(beating the STC: 2-0 and losing then beating Creator(Yeah, PvP is pretty volatile))...the same goes for the next group stage(beating Keen 2-0, losing then beating Genius(another PvP))...He lost in the first bo5 he played.
I really don't get what's so amazing about this when you compare it to Jinro vs MC match.
You have to admit. MC vs Jinro MC must have been,"WTF Mech?!?!" Plus your talking about Lost Temple close spawns and Crap Station.
EDIT: Come one Jinro make a comeback.
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United States7639 Posts
Yay DRG! :D
Next time make it 3-0.
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On July 13 2012 02:39 fishjie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 02:01 Domus wrote:On July 13 2012 01:58 Heavenlee wrote:On July 13 2012 01:52 Domus wrote:On July 13 2012 01:08 MVega wrote:On July 12 2012 23:18 polyphonyEX wrote:On July 12 2012 23:13 SeaSwift wrote:On July 12 2012 23:09 Ghanburighan wrote:On July 12 2012 23:05 LakseWim wrote:On July 12 2012 22:57 SeaSwift wrote:
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Apart from Idra, there aren't any successful foreign SC2 pros that I can think of. Who are you thinking of? nice try troll You lurked forever  But you still should not call SeaSwift of all people a troll The hidden assumption here (correct me if I'm wrong) is that only GSL results matter, and then it's indeed Jinro, Idra and Naniwa, right? Edit: Forgot Huk -.- No, he's actually right there. That isn't something I would say. I was responding to someone who said "a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags" and meant to put the word "douchebag" between 'successful' and 'foreign', but I missed it out -_- my bad The thing is that Naniwa isn't a douchbag. He's a passionate character with a bit of a troubled past and likes to speak his mind. I see so many people on these forums misrepresent Naniwa's personality as one with 'malicious' intent. I guess that's the cost of being different. Anyway, there will always be haters. All I know is that Naniwa proved a lot of people wrong tonight. No, Naniwa definitely goes beyond being passionate. Please don't think I'm just a random Naniwa hater, because it's not that. It's not a secret that I don't like him, but I'm not one of those people that doesn't like him just because he's popular or whatever. Like I said earlier in the thread in Providence I didn't know him, I didn't really think anything of him good or bad at the time. I barely knew who he was, I'd just heard his name once or twice before. I was getting autographs from pro players, and it was a great experience, the pro players tend to be a great group of people that laugh and joke and are generally friendly. Then there was Naniwa, who I didn't know, and I felt bad not asking for his autograph because I had gotten literally everyone else's in the room, so I thought I would ask him so he didn't feel left out and insulted. He asked me what if he didn't want to give his autograph, and I just smiled and shrugged because everyone else was good natured and the mood was pretty good and he just exploded. Other pro players and their people shuffled away, and then he stormed off after about 7 mouthfuls of abuse while I was trying to figure out what set him off and trying to calm him down. Other fans apologised to me for him. >.< So yeah, to me, I think he's a jerk. If he's changed since then well then good, but I've got no way of knowing that, but speaking as someone that met him not THAT long ago he definitely had a very angry streak. That experience totally messed up the rest of that MLG for me. All that said I'm glad that he performed better today than I expected him to because even if I don't necessarily like a person I do enjoy seeing people improve and play better games. Edit: And for people comparing him to IdrA ... IdrA is actually pretty laid back in person. Had a great experience with him talking about making the IdrA face. We were talking and laughing and I asked him if it's ever difficult for him to make the IdrA face. Mid-laugh he just stopped and put on the :-| face, and it was hilarious. Hahaha, that story is awesome. This story only makes me like Nani more. I really like it when people are not just big pussies all the time, and Naniwa can be a dick when he needs to be. I don't get why people expect pros to always walk around like big carebears. Naniwa isn't a cuddly toy there to please you dude, he is a SC2 beast who wants to rip out throats! Anyway, sounds like you deserved it. Walking up to Naniwa for a pitty autograph and then being suprised that the guy just does not roll over for you... Also, the results suck, Naniwa should have won. Let's not put our standards here like it is ok he lost to DRG, he should not lose. Next time, Naniwa GSL champion, nothing less! ...Chances seem very high you have some sort of social problem. A shit I give not. Seriously though...crying nerds sometimes tire me out, and then I can't do anything but laugh at their spineless behaviour, sue me. so glad naniwa lost you sound like a sociopath and so does naniwa. you dont cuss people out for asking for an autograph. the two of you sound like a match made in heaven, just don't become a serial killer.
Lol, it just amazes me that people actually think the story happened the way he tells it  . You would have been a good help in the witchhunts, shame you were born a couple of centuries too late.
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On July 13 2012 02:27 zeratul_jf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 01:55 Aeceus wrote:
I think Nani getting double RO8 these days is a lot bigger than Jinro's double RO4, but thats just me. This isnt the case, while it is true that the game is more developed that when Jinro got to the RO4, it does not make his achievement any less bigger. Its like in any sport, just look at soccer the UEFA champions was won by real madrid 5 times at the start of it because there was no real competition to face them. Does that take away from the fact that they won 5 times not they were the best at that period and deserve their glory. Same with Jinro just because the game was different does not mean that his achievement was worth any less. Everyone was in equal footing back then, its not like Jinro had some magical advantage.
It's a pretty bad analogy as it isn't just about the competition but the state of the game. StarCraft develops in a way completely unlike football. The way people played the game back then and now are completely different, you can pick any random GM player and they'd destroy everyone in the first few GSLs. Jinro's accomplishment is still awesome, but it's easy to see how Naniwa's achievement is a bit better.
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DAMMIT naniwa vs DRG was so recommended, too bad I had to sleep...
(why was game 1 so recommended though lol, it wasn't thaat great... people just like seeing foreigners win? xD)
dammit naniwa so close
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So did they actually use the wrong map in Game 1 of the Nestea Byun series???? I think its unfortunate, but NesTea played do bad in the other two games I don't think it would have mattered. Nestea made a bunch of Banes at the worst timing and just a moved into Byun on the Entombed game.
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On July 13 2012 03:04 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
DAMMIT naniwa vs DRG was so recommended, too bad I had to sleep...
(why was game 1 so recommended though lol, it wasn't thaat great... people just like seeing foreigners win? xD)
dammit naniwa so close
I learned not to trust recommended games always whenever there's a foreigner involved.
Game one was a cool build by Naniwa, but it could have been a lot closer had DRG played much more intelligently. He sacced 2 queens, lost his hatch, and also lost a lot of Zerglings/wasted larva early on.
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On July 13 2012 02:57 Domus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 02:39 fishjie wrote:On July 13 2012 02:01 Domus wrote:On July 13 2012 01:58 Heavenlee wrote:On July 13 2012 01:52 Domus wrote:On July 13 2012 01:08 MVega wrote:On July 12 2012 23:18 polyphonyEX wrote:On July 12 2012 23:13 SeaSwift wrote:On July 12 2012 23:09 Ghanburighan wrote:On July 12 2012 23:05 LakseWim wrote:
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nice try troll
You lurked forever But you still should not call SeaSwift of all people a troll The hidden assumption here (correct me if I'm wrong) is that only GSL results matter, and then it's indeed Jinro, Idra and Naniwa, right? Edit: Forgot Huk -.- No, he's actually right there. That isn't something I would say. I was responding to someone who said "a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags" and meant to put the word "douchebag" between 'successful' and 'foreign', but I missed it out -_- my bad The thing is that Naniwa isn't a douchbag. He's a passionate character with a bit of a troubled past and likes to speak his mind. I see so many people on these forums misrepresent Naniwa's personality as one with 'malicious' intent. I guess that's the cost of being different. Anyway, there will always be haters. All I know is that Naniwa proved a lot of people wrong tonight. No, Naniwa definitely goes beyond being passionate. Please don't think I'm just a random Naniwa hater, because it's not that. It's not a secret that I don't like him, but I'm not one of those people that doesn't like him just because he's popular or whatever. Like I said earlier in the thread in Providence I didn't know him, I didn't really think anything of him good or bad at the time. I barely knew who he was, I'd just heard his name once or twice before. I was getting autographs from pro players, and it was a great experience, the pro players tend to be a great group of people that laugh and joke and are generally friendly. Then there was Naniwa, who I didn't know, and I felt bad not asking for his autograph because I had gotten literally everyone else's in the room, so I thought I would ask him so he didn't feel left out and insulted. He asked me what if he didn't want to give his autograph, and I just smiled and shrugged because everyone else was good natured and the mood was pretty good and he just exploded. Other pro players and their people shuffled away, and then he stormed off after about 7 mouthfuls of abuse while I was trying to figure out what set him off and trying to calm him down. Other fans apologised to me for him. >.< So yeah, to me, I think he's a jerk. If he's changed since then well then good, but I've got no way of knowing that, but speaking as someone that met him not THAT long ago he definitely had a very angry streak. That experience totally messed up the rest of that MLG for me. All that said I'm glad that he performed better today than I expected him to because even if I don't necessarily like a person I do enjoy seeing people improve and play better games. Edit: And for people comparing him to IdrA ... IdrA is actually pretty laid back in person. Had a great experience with him talking about making the IdrA face. We were talking and laughing and I asked him if it's ever difficult for him to make the IdrA face. Mid-laugh he just stopped and put on the :-| face, and it was hilarious. Hahaha, that story is awesome. This story only makes me like Nani more. I really like it when people are not just big pussies all the time, and Naniwa can be a dick when he needs to be. I don't get why people expect pros to always walk around like big carebears. Naniwa isn't a cuddly toy there to please you dude, he is a SC2 beast who wants to rip out throats! Anyway, sounds like you deserved it. Walking up to Naniwa for a pitty autograph and then being suprised that the guy just does not roll over for you... Also, the results suck, Naniwa should have won. Let's not put our standards here like it is ok he lost to DRG, he should not lose. Next time, Naniwa GSL champion, nothing less! ...Chances seem very high you have some sort of social problem. A shit I give not. Seriously though...crying nerds sometimes tire me out, and then I can't do anything but laugh at their spineless behaviour, sue me. so glad naniwa lost you sound like a sociopath and so does naniwa. you dont cuss people out for asking for an autograph. the two of you sound like a match made in heaven, just don't become a serial killer. Lol, it just amazes me that people actually think the story happened the way he tells it . You would have been a good help in the witchhunts, shame you were born a couple of centuries too late.
Sorry you don't believe me, but that's how it happened. I wish it didn't, but it did, so yeah. Secondly I didn't "walk up to him" for a pity autograph, and it's not like he was doing anything else and it's not like I got all up in his personal space, and I didn't get get surprised that he didn't "just roll over" for me. I was surprised because he was so aggressive about it. He didn't have to get hostile, all he had to do was say no or even not say anything, it's not like I'm emo that I didn't get his autograph, I only asked if he wanted to because I was being good mannered.
I don't really see how any of my experience makes me spineless, but okay dude.
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On July 12 2012 22:52 some random guy with a social disorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:46 some random guy wrote:
Then there was Naniwa, who I didn't know, and I felt bad not asking for his autograph because I had gotten literally everyone else's in the room, so I thought I would ask him so he didn't feel left out and insulted. He asked me what if he didn't want to give his autograph, and I just smiled and shrugged because everyone else was good natured and the mood was pretty good and he just exploded. He took out a baby bunny and bit its head off for no reason and then started killing puppies and kittens with a chainsaw. At the end he was standing in a puddle of blood and looking at me with a devilish grin on his face growling "you are next".
Hahaha, that story is awesome. This story only makes me like Nani more. I really like it when people are not just big pussies all the time, and Naniwa can be a dick when he needs to be. I don't get why people expect pros to always walk around like big carebears. Naniwa isn't a cuddly toy there to please you dude, he is a SC2 beast who wants to rip out throats!
wait what?
edit: btw awesome games, i got my season pass just yesterday since i cant catch games while im at work, and only the ro8 has easily been worth my money already
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On July 12 2012 23:20 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:18 polyphonyEX wrote:On July 12 2012 23:13 SeaSwift wrote:On July 12 2012 23:09 Ghanburighan wrote:On July 12 2012 23:05 LakseWim wrote:On July 12 2012 22:57 SeaSwift wrote:On July 12 2012 22:52 udgnim wrote:On July 12 2012 22:46 Mayd wrote:
I don't understand why should we cheer for a douchebag just because he is a foreigner. if you haven't noticed yet a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags and I cheer for Naniwa because he's one of the hardest working foreigners out there and genuinely wants to become one of the best SC2 pros out there Apart from Idra, there aren't any successful foreign SC2 pros that I can think of. Who are you thinking of? nice try troll You lurked forever But you still should not call SeaSwift of all people a troll The hidden assumption here (correct me if I'm wrong) is that only GSL results matter, and then it's indeed Jinro, Idra and Naniwa, right? Edit: Forgot Huk -.- No, he's actually right there. That isn't something I would say. I was responding to someone who said "a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags" and meant to put the word "douchebag" between 'successful' and 'foreign', but I missed it out -_- my bad The thing is that Naniwa isn't a douchbag. He's a passionate character with a bit of a troubled past that likes to speak his mind. I see so many people on these forums misrepresent Naniwa's personality. I guess that's the cost of being different. Well, he actually DID some very wrong things such as the probe rush or some disrespectful statements in interviews, but come on, he's calmed down since and this doesn't mean the guy's whole personality is trash. Btw, seeing how IdrA gets so much support given his personality, i'm surprised people are bitching about Naniwa... I don't want to judge IdrA, but he is quite more BM, etc. than Naniwa...
He's friends with people with a lot of shows,popular casters and being part of the best starcraft 2 team when it comes to marketing. That means people hear more good about IdrA than they hear about Naniwa.
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I'm not really a fan of Nani's attitude, but I really feel that he's playing really well. I actually thought he'd beat DRG 3-2. GG
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Naniwa's runs > Jinro's runs
Bring it, haters. You'll certainly persuade me to change my mind.
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On July 13 2012 00:31 Hemula wrote:
I have not seen the games, but gratz to Naniwa for taking 2 maps. How well did he look on the other 3?
The 5th game was so nailbitingly close it could have ended either way
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
Byunjwa Fighting! :D
Excellent games from him.
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Jinro champion of the Swedes...you know he is smiling over in korea with that result. Naniwa comparing and openly shitting on Jinro's accomplishment instead of celebrating his win in the interview, and still has yet to match his accomplishment. Hopefully he will make a comeback one of these days when terrans get strong again and we can see him beat his record. Jinro is one of the few foreigners I truly respect because he actually tries to qualify for GSL instead of getting seeded. BTW..jinro lost to MKP in ro4 who went on to the finals so no his accompllishments are still no less important despite the evolution of the game. Not to mention foreign terrans have done notoriously bad throughout sc2 besides Thorzain basically and that just makes it all the more impressive.
Sad about nestea, but happy for Byun..PuppyKingPrime, GSL Champion?
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On July 13 2012 03:15 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 03:04 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
DAMMIT naniwa vs DRG was so recommended, too bad I had to sleep...
(why was game 1 so recommended though lol, it wasn't thaat great... people just like seeing foreigners win? xD)
dammit naniwa so close I learned not to trust recommended games always whenever there's a foreigner involved. Game one was a cool build by Naniwa, but it could have been a lot closer had DRG played much more intelligently. He sacced 2 queens, lost his hatch, and also lost a lot of Zerglings/wasted larva early on.
Oh yeah, I guess you're right. Unusual builds (especially when they win) are appealing :D
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France9034 Posts
On July 13 2012 03:26 Seekzor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:20 Ragnarork wrote:On July 12 2012 23:18 polyphonyEX wrote:On July 12 2012 23:13 SeaSwift wrote:On July 12 2012 23:09 Ghanburighan wrote:On July 12 2012 23:05 LakseWim wrote:On July 12 2012 22:57 SeaSwift wrote:On July 12 2012 22:52 udgnim wrote:On July 12 2012 22:46 Mayd wrote:
I don't understand why should we cheer for a douchebag just because he is a foreigner. if you haven't noticed yet a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags and I cheer for Naniwa because he's one of the hardest working foreigners out there and genuinely wants to become one of the best SC2 pros out there Apart from Idra, there aren't any successful foreign SC2 pros that I can think of. Who are you thinking of? nice try troll You lurked forever But you still should not call SeaSwift of all people a troll The hidden assumption here (correct me if I'm wrong) is that only GSL results matter, and then it's indeed Jinro, Idra and Naniwa, right? Edit: Forgot Huk -.- No, he's actually right there. That isn't something I would say. I was responding to someone who said "a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags" and meant to put the word "douchebag" between 'successful' and 'foreign', but I missed it out -_- my bad The thing is that Naniwa isn't a douchbag. He's a passionate character with a bit of a troubled past that likes to speak his mind. I see so many people on these forums misrepresent Naniwa's personality. I guess that's the cost of being different. Well, he actually DID some very wrong things such as the probe rush or some disrespectful statements in interviews, but come on, he's calmed down since and this doesn't mean the guy's whole personality is trash. Btw, seeing how IdrA gets so much support given his personality, i'm surprised people are bitching about Naniwa... I don't want to judge IdrA, but he is quite more BM, etc. than Naniwa... He's friends with people with a lot of shows,popular casters and being part of the best starcraft 2 team when it comes to marketing. That means people hear more good about IdrA than they hear about Naniwa.
Trying to understand, you're saying it could be a lot better if Quantic managed to "market" him more ? (Or it has just to do with the investment in shows, and relations withs popular casters ?)
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On July 13 2012 03:32 GumBa wrote:
Byunjwa Fighting! :D
Excellent games from him.
He didn't deserve his wins at all.
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