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On July 11 2012 01:52 haitike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 01:08 aristarchus wrote:
I'm really sad that this is that close and yet there's still no sign of English commentary. Their main audience is Korea. A TV channel get more viewers that a internet stream. But I guess they will get english casters soon (I personally dont care, If casters are not Artosis/Tastelees I prefer korean casters to the other ones).
Except that the foreign audience tends to pay money. Clearly Gom makes the foreign audience a big part of their business and it seems to be going well. And when they announced with Blizzard that they were switching to SC2, they promised English commentary. Obviously Korea is more important to them, but it's not that hard to call up a couple English commentators and offer them jobs. Even if they didn't have completely separate production with English graphics and everything, just having a stream with the English commentary (not talking over Korean commentary) would be huge.
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On July 10 2012 19:35 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 19:14 neoghaleon55 wrote:
they gave the worst maps to DRG's group as well
Antiga, Ohana AND entombed
.,...are you fucking kidding me?!
Someone at OGN must really hate good gsl zerg players. ... Ohana: TvZ: 44-40 (52.4%) [ Games ] ZvP: 38-41 (48.1%) [ Games ] PvT: 40-38 (51.3%) [ Games ] Antiga: TvZ: 84-79 (51.5%) [ Games ] ZvP: 61-50 (55%) [ Games ] PvT: 73-77 (48.7%) [ Games ] Entombed: TvZ: 34-49 (41%) [ Games ] (this really surprised me, I actually did think it would be a terran map too lol) ZvP: 49-51 (49%) [ Games ] PvT: 55-67 (45.1%) [ Games ] Poor zerg indeed.
That's korea only. If you take all the major tournaments world-wide, you get these:
Ohana:
TvZ: 82-83 (49.7%)
ZvP: 84-85 (49.7%)
PvT: 65-67 (49.2%)
Antiga:
TvZ: 337-335 (50.1%)
ZvP: 361-292 (55.3%)
PvT: 273-281 (49.3%)
Entombed:
TvZ: 121-144 (45.7%)
ZvP: 150-161 (48.2%)
PvT: 195-211 (48%)
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no hate to sc2, but seeing this thread in this section just made tears well up in my eyes
Anyway, hope to see MVP advance, and pity they're bo1
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On July 11 2012 00:16 KiNGxXx wrote:
Yeah, bo1 is bad. Everyone knows how easy it is to lose one game in SC2. Not even due to big mistakes.
This is the OSL, it's the least forgiving tournament, most of Gomtv/GSL's formats came from the OSL, please don't mix up the origin. Hell MSL with its same format has had a group like this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=213263
Saying that "it's so easy to lose one game in SC2" just means that players aren't preparing to the same level of intensity as BW with mind games and strategies for that one singular game, with every stake on the line for the chance to get into the Bo>=3 series' in the Ro16. The fact that the format is so punishing is a part of what made the league so exciting to watch, if anything if the better player can't win in a Bo1 speaks that there's flaws with the strategies that they've prepared, not that the format is flawed, and using this logic doesn't all of GSTL get invalidated?
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On July 11 2012 02:11 IronManSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 19:35 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 10 2012 19:14 neoghaleon55 wrote:
they gave the worst maps to DRG's group as well
Antiga, Ohana AND entombed
.,...are you fucking kidding me?!
Someone at OGN must really hate good gsl zerg players. ... Ohana: TvZ: 44-40 (52.4%) [ Games ] ZvP: 38-41 (48.1%) [ Games ] PvT: 40-38 (51.3%) [ Games ] Antiga: TvZ: 84-79 (51.5%) [ Games ] ZvP: 61-50 (55%) [ Games ] PvT: 73-77 (48.7%) [ Games ] Entombed: TvZ: 34-49 (41%) [ Games ] (this really surprised me, I actually did think it would be a terran map too lol) ZvP: 49-51 (49%) [ Games ] PvT: 55-67 (45.1%) [ Games ] Poor zerg indeed. That's korea only. If you take all the major tournaments world-wide, you get these: Ohana: TvZ: 82-83 (49.7%) ZvP: 84-85 (49.7%) PvT: 65-67 (49.2%) Antiga: TvZ: 337-335 (50.1%) ZvP: 361-292 (55.3%) PvT: 273-281 (49.3%) Entombed: TvZ: 121-144 (45.7%) ZvP: 150-161 (48.2%) PvT: 195-211 (48%)
looks very balanced, save for Z>P on antiga and Z>T on entombed. if anything that's sliigghttlyyy zerg favoured haha.
Although patch probably throws it off a bit (and maybe Zerg should be even MORE favoured ;D).
Glad that Metropolis, Atlantis, etc aren't in this.
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If you put Polt in Group B instead of DRG, all four of my favorite players would be facing off.
Hoping ManZenith can destroy everyone since the other three have Code S finals to worry about.
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On July 10 2012 19:32 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
... Yeah because the fact that OGN has been running this format for a decade means nothing.
lol
People complaining about Bo1s were always wrong anyway.
I do agree tradition is a great thing. I do agree with Neo, Bo1 is kind of crazy in the state of Starcraft II.
I just think in my personal opinion to take out some of the randomness would be best for the game to have bo3. We will see how people react to the bo1 series in group play. ZvZ will be super intense. (6 pool for the win) 
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When do the kespa and non-kespa groups merge?
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On July 11 2012 12:29 Gescom wrote:
When do the kespa and non-kespa groups merge?
RO16 ie the OSL proper
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Mvp! Oz! DRG! Symbol!
That would be nice
Bo1s are just... x.x though.
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And if it turns out that the traditional format used for BW doesn't quite work as well for SC2 you can always just say "well SC2 is just a bad game, can't be helped" amarite? -_-
Just saying, I guess I'm just as curious as everyone else.
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On July 11 2012 11:00 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 00:16 KiNGxXx wrote:
Yeah, bo1 is bad. Everyone knows how easy it is to lose one game in SC2. Not even due to big mistakes.
This is the OSL, it's the least forgiving tournament, most of Gomtv/GSL's formats came from the OSL, please don't mix up the origin. Hell MSL with its same format has had a group like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=213263Saying that "it's so easy to lose one game in SC2" just means that players aren't preparing to the same level of intensity as BW with mind games and strategies for that one singular game, with every stake on the line for the chance to get into the Bo>=3 series' in the Ro16. The fact that the format is so punishing is a part of what made the league so exciting to watch, if anything if the better player can't win in a Bo1 speaks that there's flaws with the strategies that they've prepared, not that the format is flawed, and using this logic doesn't all of GSTL get invalidated?
I have to agree here.
Hoping for MVP/Min, Symbol/San to advance.
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On July 11 2012 11:00 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 00:16 KiNGxXx wrote:
Yeah, bo1 is bad. Everyone knows how easy it is to lose one game in SC2. Not even due to big mistakes.
This is the OSL, it's the least forgiving tournament, most of Gomtv/GSL's formats came from the OSL, please don't mix up the origin.
Where did I mix up the origin? I know this format is coming from BW.
The fact that the format is so punishing is a part of what made the league so exciting to watch, if anything if the better player can't win in a Bo1 speaks that there's flaws with the strategies that they've prepared, not that the format is flawed, and using this logic doesn't all of GSTL get invalidated?
GSTL is bo9 Oo
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On July 11 2012 13:55 KiNGxXx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 11:00 Caihead wrote:On July 11 2012 00:16 KiNGxXx wrote:
Yeah, bo1 is bad. Everyone knows how easy it is to lose one game in SC2. Not even due to big mistakes.
This is the OSL, it's the least forgiving tournament, most of Gomtv/GSL's formats came from the OSL, please don't mix up the origin. Where did I mix up the origin? I know this format is coming from BW. Show nested quote +The fact that the format is so punishing is a part of what made the league so exciting to watch, if anything if the better player can't win in a Bo1 speaks that there's flaws with the strategies that they've prepared, not that the format is flawed, and using this logic doesn't all of GSTL get invalidated? GSTL is bo9 Oo
but each player plays bo1 =)
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On July 11 2012 13:56 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 13:55 KiNGxXx wrote:On July 11 2012 11:00 Caihead wrote:On July 11 2012 00:16 KiNGxXx wrote:
Yeah, bo1 is bad. Everyone knows how easy it is to lose one game in SC2. Not even due to big mistakes.
This is the OSL, it's the least forgiving tournament, most of Gomtv/GSL's formats came from the OSL, please don't mix up the origin. Where did I mix up the origin? I know this format is coming from BW. The fact that the format is so punishing is a part of what made the league so exciting to watch, if anything if the better player can't win in a Bo1 speaks that there's flaws with the strategies that they've prepared, not that the format is flawed, and using this logic doesn't all of GSTL get invalidated? GSTL is bo9 Oo but each player plays bo1 =)
It's all about the team though! 
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I didn't think this was so soon...that's odd. kespa qualifiers aren't even scheduled yet and they are doing the sc2 players dual tournament?
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On July 11 2012 14:08 Dodgin wrote:
I didn't think this was so soon...that's odd. kespa qualifiers aren't even scheduled yet and they are doing the sc2 players dual tournament?
kespa quals are the 19th i think
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If you want a bo3 watch the GSL. I for one can't wait for this OSL. Reminds me of the NCAA basketball tourney. Always epic.
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