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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On July 04 2012 23:32 Nekovivie wrote: Is Naniwa's PvZ any good? It's pretty safe bet the winner of group D will be a Zerg, in all honesty. Is anybodys vs zerg any good?  Seriously, it's not his best matchup. | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On July 04 2012 23:32 blooblooblahblah wrote: This is just wrong on so many levels. Genius's lack of Colossi micro is what caused him to lose the game on Cloud Kingdom, while Naniwa was actually target firing. It can be risky for sure, and if you screw up, the guy a-moving can roll you. But microing Colossi is many situations can be very important, Sase even micros his Colossi with a warp prism to reduce damage. This guy will bend any fact or argument to hate on NaNi, just give up. | ||
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CrugerDK
Denmark323 Posts
On July 04 2012 23:19 scares wrote: why do people say Genius "only forgot Thermal lance" thats like someone telling Robben he "only missed a penalty" in the Champions league final. Im trying to say, it is a HUGE mistake therefore it kinda makes sense, that he lost? this! making less mistakes than your opponent is basically what all late game comes down to. forgetting range is a huge mistake. genius chocked under his own harassment. | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On July 04 2012 23:28 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: No it's not, it's pure luck. Absolutely 100% luck. There is definitely a large part of Sc2 and all sports where if you play really well it makes your opponent look really bad and you can force errors. For example in football if you're a team who presses the ball high up if forces the opposition defence into errors because they are rushed on the ball. This game was absolutely not one of those situations. This game was the equivalent of a defender it back to the goalkeepers who then trips on the grass and the ball rolls into the net. There is no skill in that, there is nothing you've done to cause it. Just like there was no skill on Naniwa's part to make Genius forget Thermal Lance. It was all on Genius. Naniwa lucked out completely in a game he otherwise looked likely to lose. Ask Genius if he agrees that NaNi was lucky that he sucked that game. Imagine him saying: "NaNi was lucky that I fucked up hard." I can't imagine him saying this, but I can imagine him saying: "I made a mistake that cost me the game, in that series I wasn't the best player." It's very unfair to Genius that you'd blame his own mistake in his opponent, this is his mistake to fix, not NaNi's. | ||
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Silentenigma
Turkey2037 Posts
On July 04 2012 23:29 Lunareste wrote: I think Genius lost the game, Naniwa certainly didn't do anything to win it. He defended himself pretty good all game from immortals.Also he defended his main from zealot attack pretty good.In last fight he had better poisitions and more archons.He also microed his colossus and archons during last fight. | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
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zuperketla
Norway212 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On July 04 2012 23:32 masterchip27 wrote: It's one way of looking at it, the other way of looking at it is that Genius deserved to lose because he didn't have enough mental composure in the final game to notice that his collossi had no range -- which SHOULD have been obvious, especially after poking to the watchtower that one time Either way you look at it, Genius deserved to lose and Naniwa deserved to win. I feel like an important point here is that you can be lucky, and still deserve to win. Naniwa deserved to win. He was also lucky that Genius fucked up in a huge unforced error. If I'm playing against MVP and MVP has the biggest brainfart in the existence of SC2 and forgets his first depot, and I proceed to proxy in-base 2gate him (which happens to not get scouted too), and I proceed to crush him with my 1337 Diamond league skills, I definitely deserve to win, but I also got incredibly lucky and I won in no thanks to me outplaying MVP, but rather due to MVP making novice mistakes. Not that Naniwa didn't outplay Genius in some respects - he did have a better composition with all those archons IMO, did indeed target fire very well - but things would have still probably looked a lot different had Genius remembered the range upgrade. | ||
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Beardedclam
United States839 Posts
On July 04 2012 23:34 najreteip wrote: You need to look back at those games and tell me if Naniwa got a build order win there, then you may have a point. Now you're just trying to find excuses for Genius' sloppy play. And watching your opponents play beforehand is kinda what gsl is all about, I can guarantee you the Koreans do it too. What? I said nothing about it giving him an advantage. I just said it's extremely dirty and you wouldn't see a well respected player doing something like that. That's just my opinion, though. I honestly think it's pretty messed up for Khaldor to take a picture right there also. Genius is trying to qualify for a huge tournament and you got someone he is about to play in GSL watching his builds and someone else taking a picture of it. | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On July 04 2012 23:37 Beardedclam wrote: What? I said nothing about it giving him an advantage. I just said it's extremely dirty and you wouldn't see a well respected player doing something like that. That's just my opinion, though. ????????? You are naive boy. | ||
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Teoyaomqui
Sweden326 Posts
On July 04 2012 23:19 scares wrote: why do people say Genius "only forgot Thermal lance" thats like someone telling Robben he "only missed a penalty" in the Champions league final. Im trying to say, it is a HUGE mistake therefore it kinda makes sense, that he lost? ...or a penalty in overtime.  But yeah, it doesn't make sense. "Genius outplayed him except he played really bad regarding that one extremely important thing...". | ||
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Heavenlee
United States966 Posts
On July 04 2012 23:34 Weson wrote: Naniwa is the best player right now. No doubt. Haters gonna hate. LOL were we watching the same games? | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On July 04 2012 23:37 Beardedclam wrote: What? I said nothing about it giving him an advantage. I just said it's extremely dirty and you wouldn't see a well respected player doing something like that. That's just my opinion, though. I honestly think it's pretty messed up for Khaldor to take a picture right there also. Genius is trying to qualify for a huge tournament and you got someone he is about to play in GSL watching his builds and someone else taking a picture of it. dam dude you are a real hater. seriously though, anyone who wouldn't watch their opponent... if i was their coach i would be pretty mad if they didn't. | ||
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Floobie
England296 Posts
Shame Genius didnt make it through as i wanted him to as well. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
Just passionate Look at his sig, Keen and Genius, both KO'd by Nani. | ||
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masterchip27
United States284 Posts
On July 04 2012 23:15 Talack wrote: Feel sorry for genius, this hurts his team-search prospects. It really doesn't all that much. He made a really trivial dumb error that isn't really attributable to his gameplay, moreso than him ditzing out in that last game. He's shown enough composure to do well in the GSL finals so while composure is a concern for him, as this is the second time he's forgotten range in a major match, I would say that by and large he keeps himself pretty cool in the booth. He also has good strategic gamesense and is very good at preparing for individual match-ups. | ||
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-TesteR-
Canada1165 Posts
On July 04 2012 23:36 Silentenigma wrote: He defended himself pretty good all game from immortals.Also he defended his main from zealot attack pretty good.In last fight he had better poisitions and more archons.He also microed his colossus and archons during last fight. Yep, this exactly. People with the attention span of a gerbil who only can comprehend the last 2 minutes of the game might say "naniwa didnt do anything to win, it was genius who lost it" | ||
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MMS
39 Posts
On July 04 2012 23:29 Beardedclam wrote: You thinks that's respectful? Right before your code S match you go and sit directly behind the person you are facing and watch how he plays? Of course genius is going to be using the same builds as Code S because he is trying to qualify for OSL. It's disgusting. So yeah, I guess that's why Naniwa won, no? Because he spied on genius beforehand and knew how Genius won't have thermal lance.. You are delusional. | ||
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Beardedclam
United States839 Posts
Please, tell me where I said anything about that. I am waiting. I simple saw the picture and someone said Genius need to practice more. I made a comment because it is ironic that Genius needs to practice more when looking at the picture. | ||
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najreteip
Belgium4158 Posts
On July 04 2012 23:37 Beardedclam wrote: What? I said nothing about it giving him an advantage. I just said it's extremely dirty and you wouldn't see a well respected player doing something like that. That's just my opinion, though. From what we've been hearing about the whole Korean pride thing, I think plenty of "well-respected" players would do something like this or worse. Regardless, I have no interest in continuing this discussion | ||
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