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PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
June 25 2012 03:25 GMT
#361
On June 25 2012 12:22 mythandier wrote:
That game killed what hope I had left for TvZ.

Beasty is so incredibly good...I hope he manages to pull a HerO and turn it around.

What do you mean?

Stephano is still playing how he did months ago...
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
Shaddar
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
675 Posts
June 25 2012 03:25 GMT
#362
On June 25 2012 12:24 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 12:23 Scufo wrote:
What are tanks good at in this game? I thought they were pretty decent at holding a position but I guess not...

I like Beasty but there's no way he can come back in this series. Terrans are just dropping like flies...


Tanks in siege mode are actually quite terrible vs ultralisks.


Even in that first push they just got rolled over though
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Falconblade
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1035 Posts
June 25 2012 03:25 GMT
#363
On June 25 2012 12:23 Scufo wrote:
What are tanks good at in this game? I thought they were pretty decent at holding a position but I guess not...

I like Beasty but there's no way he can come back in this series. Terrans are just dropping like flies...



On the bright side, PuMa versus Alive guarantees at least 1 Terran in the finals.
NoGasfOu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1117 Posts
June 25 2012 03:25 GMT
#364
I don't remember any foreign terran reaching a tournament finals other than Thorzain. The foreign scene has been looking like a two-race scene since 2010.
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SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-25 03:27:20
June 25 2012 03:25 GMT
#365
On June 25 2012 12:23 Gladiator MG wrote:
I think I gave Beasty too much credit saying he would take a game from Stephano in my last post. Looks like Stephano is just going to roll over him.


I think it depends alot on Stephano's ego . . . his major weakness that I've seen is his overconfidence in some matchups. He starts to not take certain people seriously, and forgets maybe how small the gap is between (in example) code S and code A players. That's when I've seen him lose most. Very risky to get lazy at the pro level of SC2
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
bakarofl
Profile Joined December 2011
49 Posts
June 25 2012 03:26 GMT
#366
That last game looked like the games I play against my little brother...
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 25 2012 03:26 GMT
#367
this banter...
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 25 2012 03:26 GMT
#368
On June 25 2012 12:25 Shaddar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 12:24 Dodgin wrote:
On June 25 2012 12:23 Scufo wrote:
What are tanks good at in this game? I thought they were pretty decent at holding a position but I guess not...

I like Beasty but there's no way he can come back in this series. Terrans are just dropping like flies...


Tanks in siege mode are actually quite terrible vs ultralisks.


Even in that first push they just got rolled over though


I have no explanation for that one, I think Beasty didn't have enough bunkers at his front or something, that push should not have worked as well as it did.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
June 25 2012 03:26 GMT
#369
On June 25 2012 12:23 Scufo wrote:
What are tanks good at in this game? I thought they were pretty decent at holding a position but I guess not...

I like Beasty but there's no way he can come back in this series. Terrans are just dropping like flies...


they are good vs marines, banelings, lings and to some extend units like stalkers, marodeurs and colossi... but NOT against ultralisks... ultras are probably the most tanky unit vs tanks (hihi) together with immortals.

tanks even do better vs those unsieged probably :D
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torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
June 25 2012 03:27 GMT
#370
even after a first failed attempt stephano still made it :D
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
June 25 2012 03:27 GMT
#371
On June 25 2012 12:26 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 12:25 Shaddar wrote:
On June 25 2012 12:24 Dodgin wrote:
On June 25 2012 12:23 Scufo wrote:
What are tanks good at in this game? I thought they were pretty decent at holding a position but I guess not...

I like Beasty but there's no way he can come back in this series. Terrans are just dropping like flies...


Tanks in siege mode are actually quite terrible vs ultralisks.


Even in that first push they just got rolled over though


I have no explanation for that one, I think Beasty didn't have enough bunkers at his front or something, that push should not have worked as well as it did.


well, that push was just... stephano had a lot of stuff.

like 30 infested terrans, tons of lings, some roaches, 6 queens, transfuses.

its just too much little stuff to shoot at for beasty :D
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mythandier
Profile Joined January 2011
United States828 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-25 03:29:15
June 25 2012 03:27 GMT
#372
On June 25 2012 12:22 ZenithM wrote:
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On June 25 2012 12:22 SCST wrote:
I think this series (stephano vs beasty) was unfortunately the most predictable in the lineup tonight. Beasty is a great player, but not on the same level as Stephano imho

Exactly. Two different calibers for sure...

You must be right -- TLPD shows Stephano vs Beasty as 8W - 6L in the last year's events...

KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
June 25 2012 03:28 GMT
#373
On June 25 2012 12:25 NoGasfOu wrote:
I don't remember any foreign terran reaching a tournament finals other than Thorzain. The foreign scene has been looking like a two-race scene since 2010.


more like since 2012.
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
June 25 2012 03:28 GMT
#374
On June 25 2012 12:26 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 12:23 Scufo wrote:
What are tanks good at in this game? I thought they were pretty decent at holding a position but I guess not...

I like Beasty but there's no way he can come back in this series. Terrans are just dropping like flies...


they are good vs marines, banelings, lings and to some extend units like stalkers, marodeurs and colossi... but NOT against ultralisks... ultras are probably the most tanky unit vs tanks (hihi) together with immortals.

tanks even do better vs those unsieged probably :D


Tanks are pretty useless against a swarm of zerglings.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
June 25 2012 03:28 GMT
#375
Beasty was saying the other day that he hated the vZ match up. It doesn't seem to be treating him well here.
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
June 25 2012 03:29 GMT
#376
What happened was that Beasty went for a very tech heavy build that game - he made 4-5 banshees - and didn't have enough MEDIVACS to handle the 3/3 ultras with infestor support. Stephano wasted a lot of units and resources trying to bust Beasty and that was a game losing move, but Beasty wasn't in a position to punish it and when the 3/3 push came to take him off his fourth his 3/3 wasn't done. Stephano attacked at a great timing and that's what won him the game.

Beasty's play style is in a lot of ways outdated. The style Stephano played is outdated too, but his style counters Beasty's. The Terran answer to infestor ling ultra play is fast bio upgrades and A LOT of medivacs. Medivacs counter infestors and forces the Zerg into banelings. You then make tanks against the banelings and ravens and BCs in the late game when the Zergs gets broods to go along with their ultras.
JujuXG
Profile Joined September 2011
United States373 Posts
June 25 2012 03:29 GMT
#377
Watching stephano play, i want him to play IMMvp. The mind game and decision making would be.......
"I'm naturally good at everything. I'm good at eating too, so that's why I can't lose weight."
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 25 2012 03:29 GMT
#378
On June 25 2012 12:26 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 12:23 Scufo wrote:
What are tanks good at in this game? I thought they were pretty decent at holding a position but I guess not...

I like Beasty but there's no way he can come back in this series. Terrans are just dropping like flies...


they are good vs marines, banelings, lings and to some extend units like stalkers, marodeurs and colossi... but NOT against ultralisks... ultras are probably the most tanky unit vs tanks (hihi) together with immortals.

tanks even do better vs those unsieged probably :D


you are much much better off keeping your tanks not in siege mode and focusing the ultras with them, it just does splash damage to your own units when it targets lings and ultras on top of your stuff.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6661 Posts
June 25 2012 03:29 GMT
#379
On June 25 2012 12:28 Hall0wed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 12:26 KalWarkov wrote:
On June 25 2012 12:23 Scufo wrote:
What are tanks good at in this game? I thought they were pretty decent at holding a position but I guess not...

I like Beasty but there's no way he can come back in this series. Terrans are just dropping like flies...


they are good vs marines, banelings, lings and to some extend units like stalkers, marodeurs and colossi... but NOT against ultralisks... ultras are probably the most tanky unit vs tanks (hihi) together with immortals.

tanks even do better vs those unsieged probably :D


Tanks are pretty useless against a swarm of zerglings.

Yea, Tanks are good to snipe infester packs(Especially if the zerg clumps them) and against roaches. Swarms of lings just close the gap way to quick and wtfpwn them.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 25 2012 03:30 GMT
#380
On June 25 2012 12:27 mythandier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 12:22 ZenithM wrote:
On June 25 2012 12:22 SCST wrote:
I think this series (stephano vs beasty) was unfortunately the most predictable in the lineup tonight. Beasty is a great player, but not on the same level as Stephano imho

Exactly. Two different calibers for sure...

You must be right -- TLPD shows Stephano vs Beasty as 8W - 6L in the last year's events...


Well, I didn't look at that, that's true. Still, I think most people would agree that Stephano is a tad bit better than Beasty...
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