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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-23 10:05:29
June 23 2012 10:05 GMT
#721
On June 23 2012 18:03 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 17:56 SeeKeR wrote:
On June 23 2012 17:42 ACrow wrote:
Surprisingly, the team with more and better Zerg won, who would've thought.
Were there any remarkable games or can anyone recommend any game in the series worth watching?
Grats to TSL ~

I believe there is a section titled "recommended games".......

Oh sorry Seeker, your OPs are always awesome, dunno why I didn't think about that.
Thanks for the recommendations!

NP. Enjoy them, as I will NEVER leave my audience disappointed when I am the OP :D
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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iglocska
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway589 Posts
June 23 2012 10:16 GMT
#722
On June 23 2012 18:52 forsooth wrote:
Another day, another run of wins by Zerg.


I see 2 wins for zerg and 2 for protoss in zvp, 1 win for terran and 1 for zerg in tvz.
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
June 23 2012 10:23 GMT
#723
Kind of funny to see Gumiho trying some random shit (nuke while dropping while massing ravens) and in the end getting a-moved by infestors/broodlords ;D
Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
ArcticRaven
Profile Joined August 2011
France1406 Posts
June 23 2012 10:27 GMT
#724
HELL YEAH

I wanna see mTsl kick in so much <3
[Govie] Wierd shit, on a 6 game AP winning streak with KOTL in the trench. I searched gandalf quotes and spammed them all game long, trenchwarfare247, whateva it takes!
ActionpointTV
Profile Joined May 2011
60 Posts
June 23 2012 10:51 GMT
#725
On June 23 2012 19:16 iglocska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 18:52 forsooth wrote:
Another day, another run of wins by Zerg.


I see 2 wins for zerg and 2 for protoss in zvp, 1 win for terran and 1 for zerg in tvz.

Where do you see 2nd zvp win for protoss? And the fact that teams send massive amount of zerg players speaks for itself.
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
June 23 2012 11:00 GMT
#726
On June 23 2012 19:51 Remi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 19:16 iglocska wrote:
On June 23 2012 18:52 forsooth wrote:
Another day, another run of wins by Zerg.


I see 2 wins for zerg and 2 for protoss in zvp, 1 win for terran and 1 for zerg in tvz.

Where do you see 2nd zvp win for protoss? And the fact that teams send massive amount of zerg players speaks for itself.


The best players on TSL are zerg except polt (who played) and Inori (who either just came back from the US or is still there)
and FXO send 2 zerg, 2 protoss and 1 terran.

Such a tell that zerg is broken...

"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-23 11:07:17
June 23 2012 11:06 GMT
#727
On June 23 2012 20:00 Diavlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 19:51 Remi wrote:
On June 23 2012 19:16 iglocska wrote:
On June 23 2012 18:52 forsooth wrote:
Another day, another run of wins by Zerg.


I see 2 wins for zerg and 2 for protoss in zvp, 1 win for terran and 1 for zerg in tvz.

Where do you see 2nd zvp win for protoss? And the fact that teams send massive amount of zerg players speaks for itself.


The best players on TSL are zerg except polt (who played) and Inori (who either just came back from the US or is still there)
and FXO send 2 zerg, 2 protoss and 1 terran.

Such a tell that zerg is broken...



I like this form of circular non-sensical reasoning.

You define the best players as the ones who win the most.
Since Zerg is currently the best race, Zergs are winning the most.
As they're winning the most, they're the best players, so they're not winning because of balance issues.

Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
June 23 2012 12:14 GMT
#728
[image loading]

Coach Lee, Polt, Punisher, HyuN, Symbol, Assistant coach , Inori

RevivaL, RagnaroK, ValuE, Shine, Dream(?)

congrats~~
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44114 Posts
June 23 2012 12:31 GMT
#729
I'm very happy that TSL won... but after looking at the results of which players came out and succeeded, it seems that FXO missed the balance-whine (or is it just "balance"?) memo. lol.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Gesarjack
Profile Joined June 2012
Switzerland117 Posts
June 23 2012 12:38 GMT
#730
On June 23 2012 20:06 SiroKO wrote:
I like this form of circular non-sensical reasoning.

You define the best players as the ones who win the most.
Since Zerg is currently the best race, Zergs are winning the most.
As they're winning the most, they're the best players, so they're not winning because of balance issues.


That's not at all what he said. He just noticed that apart from Polt and Inori all the good players on TSL are zergs, so it would make sense that they send out zergs and get zerg wins. Does that sound illogical to you?

Here are some nice other facts: NSH got 5 terran wins last week. The Code S breakdown was basically third-third-third, with zerg qualifying the least amount, and each race getting about half of their players to next round.

I'm sorry that you suck at TvZ right now but don't try to pin it on balance.
You've got to have trolls under bridges. Otherwise, what's it all about?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 23 2012 12:51 GMT
#731
On June 23 2012 21:38 Gesarjack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 20:06 SiroKO wrote:
I like this form of circular non-sensical reasoning.

You define the best players as the ones who win the most.
Since Zerg is currently the best race, Zergs are winning the most.
As they're winning the most, they're the best players, so they're not winning because of balance issues.


That's not at all what he said. He just noticed that apart from Polt and Inori all the good players on TSL are zergs, so it would make sense that they send out zergs and get zerg wins. Does that sound illogical to you?

Here are some nice other facts: NSH got 5 terran wins last week. The Code S breakdown was basically third-third-third, with zerg qualifying the least amount, and each race getting about half of their players to next round.

I'm sorry that you suck at TvZ right now but don't try to pin it on balance.


Yup let's just not mention every other tournament not named GSL/GSTL
Catatonic
Profile Joined August 2011
United States699 Posts
June 23 2012 13:13 GMT
#732
On June 23 2012 21:51 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 21:38 Gesarjack wrote:
On June 23 2012 20:06 SiroKO wrote:
I like this form of circular non-sensical reasoning.

You define the best players as the ones who win the most.
Since Zerg is currently the best race, Zergs are winning the most.
As they're winning the most, they're the best players, so they're not winning because of balance issues.


That's not at all what he said. He just noticed that apart from Polt and Inori all the good players on TSL are zergs, so it would make sense that they send out zergs and get zerg wins. Does that sound illogical to you?

Here are some nice other facts: NSH got 5 terran wins last week. The Code S breakdown was basically third-third-third, with zerg qualifying the least amount, and each race getting about half of their players to next round.

I'm sorry that you suck at TvZ right now but don't try to pin it on balance.


Yup let's just not mention every other tournament not named GSL/GSTL

Please do enlighten us on what other tournaments you are thinking of? I can only think of one so either you're delusional, seeing something no one else is seeing, or just extreamly bias I'm thinking two of these are correct though maybe you're right though just not seeing how that's possible lol.
T: DeMuslim SeleCT. P: Naniwa Genius. Z: IdrA Destiny Team: EG
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 23 2012 13:14 GMT
#733
On June 23 2012 22:13 Catatonic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 21:51 Dodgin wrote:
On June 23 2012 21:38 Gesarjack wrote:
On June 23 2012 20:06 SiroKO wrote:
I like this form of circular non-sensical reasoning.

You define the best players as the ones who win the most.
Since Zerg is currently the best race, Zergs are winning the most.
As they're winning the most, they're the best players, so they're not winning because of balance issues.


That's not at all what he said. He just noticed that apart from Polt and Inori all the good players on TSL are zergs, so it would make sense that they send out zergs and get zerg wins. Does that sound illogical to you?

Here are some nice other facts: NSH got 5 terran wins last week. The Code S breakdown was basically third-third-third, with zerg qualifying the least amount, and each race getting about half of their players to next round.

I'm sorry that you suck at TvZ right now but don't try to pin it on balance.


Yup let's just not mention every other tournament not named GSL/GSTL

Please do enlighten us on what other tournaments you are thinking of? I can only think of one so either you're delusional, seeing something no one else is seeing, or just extreamly bias I'm thinking two of these are correct though maybe you're right though just not seeing how that's possible lol.


Are you really going to make me go through TLPD for you to show the low TvZ winrates? I'm sure you can find it yourself, look at Dreamhack Summer, GESL, and MLG Anaheim.
Gesarjack
Profile Joined June 2012
Switzerland117 Posts
June 23 2012 13:26 GMT
#734
On June 23 2012 22:14 Dodgin wrote:
Are you really going to make me go through TLPD for you to show the low TvZ winrates? I'm sure you can find it yourself, look at Dreamhack Summer, GESL, and MLG Anaheim.


Considering you're including a tournament in which Puma 4-1'ed his group and Marineking went 5-0 in a group that included Symbol, then beat Stephano on his way to finish 3rd, yeah, we're going to make you go through TLPD.

Also, that's 3 tournaments. Congrats on using a WAY BIGGER SAMPLE than me.
You've got to have trolls under bridges. Otherwise, what's it all about?
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
June 23 2012 14:13 GMT
#735
On June 23 2012 22:14 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 22:13 Catatonic wrote:
On June 23 2012 21:51 Dodgin wrote:
On June 23 2012 21:38 Gesarjack wrote:
On June 23 2012 20:06 SiroKO wrote:
I like this form of circular non-sensical reasoning.

You define the best players as the ones who win the most.
Since Zerg is currently the best race, Zergs are winning the most.
As they're winning the most, they're the best players, so they're not winning because of balance issues.


That's not at all what he said. He just noticed that apart from Polt and Inori all the good players on TSL are zergs, so it would make sense that they send out zergs and get zerg wins. Does that sound illogical to you?

Here are some nice other facts: NSH got 5 terran wins last week. The Code S breakdown was basically third-third-third, with zerg qualifying the least amount, and each race getting about half of their players to next round.

I'm sorry that you suck at TvZ right now but don't try to pin it on balance.


Yup let's just not mention every other tournament not named GSL/GSTL

Please do enlighten us on what other tournaments you are thinking of? I can only think of one so either you're delusional, seeing something no one else is seeing, or just extreamly bias I'm thinking two of these are correct though maybe you're right though just not seeing how that's possible lol.


Are you really going to make me go through TLPD for you to show the low TvZ winrates? I'm sure you can find it yourself, look at Dreamhack Summer, GESL, and MLG Anaheim.

Terran finally dropped under 50% in a matchup for once?

BLASPHEMY!
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-23 14:21:46
June 23 2012 14:17 GMT
#736
On June 23 2012 22:26 Gesarjack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 22:14 Dodgin wrote:
Are you really going to make me go through TLPD for you to show the low TvZ winrates? I'm sure you can find it yourself, look at Dreamhack Summer, GESL, and MLG Anaheim.


Considering you're including a tournament in which Puma 4-1'ed his group and Marineking went 5-0 in a group that included Symbol, then beat Stephano on his way to finish 3rd, yeah, we're going to make you go through TLPD.

Also, that's 3 tournaments. Congrats on using a WAY BIGGER SAMPLE than me.


If you're going to use data to prove a point you can't ignore other tournaments, if you don't want to argue using statistics then I can tell you to simply open your eyes.

On June 23 2012 23:13 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 22:14 Dodgin wrote:
On June 23 2012 22:13 Catatonic wrote:
On June 23 2012 21:51 Dodgin wrote:
On June 23 2012 21:38 Gesarjack wrote:
On June 23 2012 20:06 SiroKO wrote:
I like this form of circular non-sensical reasoning.

You define the best players as the ones who win the most.
Since Zerg is currently the best race, Zergs are winning the most.
As they're winning the most, they're the best players, so they're not winning because of balance issues.


That's not at all what he said. He just noticed that apart from Polt and Inori all the good players on TSL are zergs, so it would make sense that they send out zergs and get zerg wins. Does that sound illogical to you?

Here are some nice other facts: NSH got 5 terran wins last week. The Code S breakdown was basically third-third-third, with zerg qualifying the least amount, and each race getting about half of their players to next round.

I'm sorry that you suck at TvZ right now but don't try to pin it on balance.


Yup let's just not mention every other tournament not named GSL/GSTL

Please do enlighten us on what other tournaments you are thinking of? I can only think of one so either you're delusional, seeing something no one else is seeing, or just extreamly bias I'm thinking two of these are correct though maybe you're right though just not seeing how that's possible lol.


Are you really going to make me go through TLPD for you to show the low TvZ winrates? I'm sure you can find it yourself, look at Dreamhack Summer, GESL, and MLG Anaheim.

Terran finally dropped under 50% in a matchup for once?

BLASPHEMY!


Okay, so the " terran was good before so it's fine that they they had under 35% TvZ in two separate tournaments on the same weekend argument, convincing stuff!

I thought we wanted the game to be balanced instead of playing " which race is better this month? "
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-23 14:32:10
June 23 2012 14:31 GMT
#737
On June 23 2012 23:17 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 22:26 Gesarjack wrote:
On June 23 2012 22:14 Dodgin wrote:
Are you really going to make me go through TLPD for you to show the low TvZ winrates? I'm sure you can find it yourself, look at Dreamhack Summer, GESL, and MLG Anaheim.


Considering you're including a tournament in which Puma 4-1'ed his group and Marineking went 5-0 in a group that included Symbol, then beat Stephano on his way to finish 3rd, yeah, we're going to make you go through TLPD.

Also, that's 3 tournaments. Congrats on using a WAY BIGGER SAMPLE than me.


If you're going to use data to prove a point you can't ignore other tournaments, if you don't want to argue using statistics then I can tell you to simply open your eyes.

Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 23:13 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On June 23 2012 22:14 Dodgin wrote:
On June 23 2012 22:13 Catatonic wrote:
On June 23 2012 21:51 Dodgin wrote:
On June 23 2012 21:38 Gesarjack wrote:
On June 23 2012 20:06 SiroKO wrote:
I like this form of circular non-sensical reasoning.

You define the best players as the ones who win the most.
Since Zerg is currently the best race, Zergs are winning the most.
As they're winning the most, they're the best players, so they're not winning because of balance issues.


That's not at all what he said. He just noticed that apart from Polt and Inori all the good players on TSL are zergs, so it would make sense that they send out zergs and get zerg wins. Does that sound illogical to you?

Here are some nice other facts: NSH got 5 terran wins last week. The Code S breakdown was basically third-third-third, with zerg qualifying the least amount, and each race getting about half of their players to next round.

I'm sorry that you suck at TvZ right now but don't try to pin it on balance.


Yup let's just not mention every other tournament not named GSL/GSTL

Please do enlighten us on what other tournaments you are thinking of? I can only think of one so either you're delusional, seeing something no one else is seeing, or just extreamly bias I'm thinking two of these are correct though maybe you're right though just not seeing how that's possible lol.


Are you really going to make me go through TLPD for you to show the low TvZ winrates? I'm sure you can find it yourself, look at Dreamhack Summer, GESL, and MLG Anaheim.

Terran finally dropped under 50% in a matchup for once?

BLASPHEMY!


Okay, so the " terran was good before so it's fine that they they had under 35% TvZ in two separate tournaments on the same weekend argument, convincing stuff!

I thought we wanted the game to be balanced instead of playing " which race is better this month? "


The game is heading toward balance. Now that terran can't "herp derp" mass hellions into a drone line and kill everything and the player actually has to have some THOUGHT or SKILL many terran players are suffering. Its not really balance's fault that something got nerfed yet terran players DON'T REACT AT ALL. Terran players have had to do so much less for so long to get the same amount of wins (backd up by early terran dominance ect ect) that now that their race is being more skill based and less "did my hellions run in" they have no idea what the hell to do. Terrans need to start exploring other options, for example mech. Why any terrans are still going bio in TvZ is astonishing as zerg has no good answer for a late game maxed mech push into sky terran/mech. But no, its much easier to still reactor hellion expand into bio or 1 rax expand into bio because thats exactly what's been happening since people actually started expanding
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 23 2012 14:33 GMT
#738
On June 23 2012 23:31 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 23:17 Dodgin wrote:
On June 23 2012 22:26 Gesarjack wrote:
On June 23 2012 22:14 Dodgin wrote:
Are you really going to make me go through TLPD for you to show the low TvZ winrates? I'm sure you can find it yourself, look at Dreamhack Summer, GESL, and MLG Anaheim.


Considering you're including a tournament in which Puma 4-1'ed his group and Marineking went 5-0 in a group that included Symbol, then beat Stephano on his way to finish 3rd, yeah, we're going to make you go through TLPD.

Also, that's 3 tournaments. Congrats on using a WAY BIGGER SAMPLE than me.


If you're going to use data to prove a point you can't ignore other tournaments, if you don't want to argue using statistics then I can tell you to simply open your eyes.

On June 23 2012 23:13 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On June 23 2012 22:14 Dodgin wrote:
On June 23 2012 22:13 Catatonic wrote:
On June 23 2012 21:51 Dodgin wrote:
On June 23 2012 21:38 Gesarjack wrote:
On June 23 2012 20:06 SiroKO wrote:
I like this form of circular non-sensical reasoning.

You define the best players as the ones who win the most.
Since Zerg is currently the best race, Zergs are winning the most.
As they're winning the most, they're the best players, so they're not winning because of balance issues.


That's not at all what he said. He just noticed that apart from Polt and Inori all the good players on TSL are zergs, so it would make sense that they send out zergs and get zerg wins. Does that sound illogical to you?

Here are some nice other facts: NSH got 5 terran wins last week. The Code S breakdown was basically third-third-third, with zerg qualifying the least amount, and each race getting about half of their players to next round.

I'm sorry that you suck at TvZ right now but don't try to pin it on balance.


Yup let's just not mention every other tournament not named GSL/GSTL

Please do enlighten us on what other tournaments you are thinking of? I can only think of one so either you're delusional, seeing something no one else is seeing, or just extreamly bias I'm thinking two of these are correct though maybe you're right though just not seeing how that's possible lol.


Are you really going to make me go through TLPD for you to show the low TvZ winrates? I'm sure you can find it yourself, look at Dreamhack Summer, GESL, and MLG Anaheim.

Terran finally dropped under 50% in a matchup for once?

BLASPHEMY!


Okay, so the " terran was good before so it's fine that they they had under 35% TvZ in two separate tournaments on the same weekend argument, convincing stuff!

I thought we wanted the game to be balanced instead of playing " which race is better this month? "


The game is heading toward balance. Now that terran can't "herp derp" mass hellions into a drone line and kill everything and the player actually has to have some THOUGHT or SKILL many terran players are suffering. Its not really balance's fault that something got nerfed yet terran players DON'T REACT AT ALL. Terran players have had to do so much less for so long to get the same amount of wins (backd up by early terran dominance ect ect) that now that their race is being more skill based and less "did my hellions run in" they have no idea what the hell to do. Terrans need to start exploring other options, for example mech. Why any terrans are still going bio in TvZ is astonishing as zerg has no good answer for a late game maxed mech push into sky terran/mech. But no, its much easier to still reactor hellion expand into bio or 1 rax expand into bio because thats exactly what's been happening since people actually started expanding


1. Mech is terrible if your opponent scouts you and reacts properly, by maxing on roaches and getting drops, picking you apart before you have a big enough army.

2. jesus christ I wonder what you were saying before the Snipe nerf about TvZ if that's how you think it worked.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-23 14:39:45
June 23 2012 14:36 GMT
#739
On June 23 2012 23:31 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 23:17 Dodgin wrote:
On June 23 2012 22:26 Gesarjack wrote:
On June 23 2012 22:14 Dodgin wrote:
Are you really going to make me go through TLPD for you to show the low TvZ winrates? I'm sure you can find it yourself, look at Dreamhack Summer, GESL, and MLG Anaheim.


Considering you're including a tournament in which Puma 4-1'ed his group and Marineking went 5-0 in a group that included Symbol, then beat Stephano on his way to finish 3rd, yeah, we're going to make you go through TLPD.

Also, that's 3 tournaments. Congrats on using a WAY BIGGER SAMPLE than me.


If you're going to use data to prove a point you can't ignore other tournaments, if you don't want to argue using statistics then I can tell you to simply open your eyes.

On June 23 2012 23:13 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On June 23 2012 22:14 Dodgin wrote:
On June 23 2012 22:13 Catatonic wrote:
On June 23 2012 21:51 Dodgin wrote:
On June 23 2012 21:38 Gesarjack wrote:
On June 23 2012 20:06 SiroKO wrote:
I like this form of circular non-sensical reasoning.

You define the best players as the ones who win the most.
Since Zerg is currently the best race, Zergs are winning the most.
As they're winning the most, they're the best players, so they're not winning because of balance issues.


That's not at all what he said. He just noticed that apart from Polt and Inori all the good players on TSL are zergs, so it would make sense that they send out zergs and get zerg wins. Does that sound illogical to you?

Here are some nice other facts: NSH got 5 terran wins last week. The Code S breakdown was basically third-third-third, with zerg qualifying the least amount, and each race getting about half of their players to next round.

I'm sorry that you suck at TvZ right now but don't try to pin it on balance.


Yup let's just not mention every other tournament not named GSL/GSTL

Please do enlighten us on what other tournaments you are thinking of? I can only think of one so either you're delusional, seeing something no one else is seeing, or just extreamly bias I'm thinking two of these are correct though maybe you're right though just not seeing how that's possible lol.


Are you really going to make me go through TLPD for you to show the low TvZ winrates? I'm sure you can find it yourself, look at Dreamhack Summer, GESL, and MLG Anaheim.

Terran finally dropped under 50% in a matchup for once?

BLASPHEMY!


Okay, so the " terran was good before so it's fine that they they had under 35% TvZ in two separate tournaments on the same weekend argument, convincing stuff!

I thought we wanted the game to be balanced instead of playing " which race is better this month? "


The game is heading toward balance. Now that terran can't "herp derp" mass hellions into a drone line and kill everything and the player actually has to have some THOUGHT or SKILL many terran players are suffering. Its not really balance's fault that something got nerfed yet terran players DON'T REACT AT ALL. Terran players have had to do so much less for so long to get the same amount of wins (backd up by early terran dominance ect ect) that now that their race is being more skill based and less "did my hellions run in" they have no idea what the hell to do. Terrans need to start exploring other options, for example mech. Why any terrans are still going bio in TvZ is astonishing as zerg has no good answer for a late game maxed mech push into sky terran/mech. But no, its much easier to still reactor hellion expand into bio or 1 rax expand into bio because thats exactly what's been happening since people actually started expanding

Except TvZ was 50-50% before the patch... and then Zerg got buffed. The game is heading toward balance they say....
If balance mean TvZ 30%, then sure, we are half way there.

Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 23 2012 14:39 GMT
#740
also, note at gesl, dreamhack, (iirc) top tier terrans weren't there (except mma who was put out by goody) while top z, p were.

I think, before you can claim imbalances, you need to let the metagame shift. people need to try new things if the old isnt working.

example: when they nerfed gateway unit build times, z just crushed for a few weeks with 8/10 pools till they figured it out.
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