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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
On June 23 2012 18:03 ACrow wrote: Oh sorry Seeker, your OPs are always awesome, dunno why I didn't think about that. Thanks for the recommendations! NP. Enjoy them, as I will NEVER leave my audience disappointed when I am the OP :D | ||
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iglocska
Norway589 Posts
On June 23 2012 18:52 forsooth wrote: Another day, another run of wins by Zerg. I see 2 wins for zerg and 2 for protoss in zvp, 1 win for terran and 1 for zerg in tvz. | ||
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SiroKO
France721 Posts
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ArcticRaven
France1406 Posts
I wanna see mTsl kick in so much <3 | ||
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ActionpointTV
60 Posts
On June 23 2012 19:16 iglocska wrote: I see 2 wins for zerg and 2 for protoss in zvp, 1 win for terran and 1 for zerg in tvz. Where do you see 2nd zvp win for protoss? And the fact that teams send massive amount of zerg players speaks for itself. | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On June 23 2012 19:51 Remi wrote: Where do you see 2nd zvp win for protoss? And the fact that teams send massive amount of zerg players speaks for itself. The best players on TSL are zerg except polt (who played) and Inori (who either just came back from the US or is still there) and FXO send 2 zerg, 2 protoss and 1 terran. Such a tell that zerg is broken... | ||
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SiroKO
France721 Posts
On June 23 2012 20:00 Diavlo wrote: The best players on TSL are zerg except polt (who played) and Inori (who either just came back from the US or is still there) and FXO send 2 zerg, 2 protoss and 1 terran. Such a tell that zerg is broken... I like this form of circular non-sensical reasoning. You define the best players as the ones who win the most. Since Zerg is currently the best race, Zergs are winning the most. As they're winning the most, they're the best players, so they're not winning because of balance issues. | ||
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dragonborn
4781 Posts
![[image loading]](https://p.twimg.com/AwD8SE3CIAAZcxh.jpg:large) Coach Lee, Polt, Punisher, HyuN, Symbol, Assistant coach , Inori RevivaL, RagnaroK, ValuE, Shine, Dream(?) congrats~~  | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45022 Posts
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Gesarjack
Switzerland117 Posts
On June 23 2012 20:06 SiroKO wrote: I like this form of circular non-sensical reasoning. You define the best players as the ones who win the most. Since Zerg is currently the best race, Zergs are winning the most. As they're winning the most, they're the best players, so they're not winning because of balance issues. That's not at all what he said. He just noticed that apart from Polt and Inori all the good players on TSL are zergs, so it would make sense that they send out zergs and get zerg wins. Does that sound illogical to you? Here are some nice other facts: NSH got 5 terran wins last week. The Code S breakdown was basically third-third-third, with zerg qualifying the least amount, and each race getting about half of their players to next round. I'm sorry that you suck at TvZ right now but don't try to pin it on balance. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On June 23 2012 21:38 Gesarjack wrote: That's not at all what he said. He just noticed that apart from Polt and Inori all the good players on TSL are zergs, so it would make sense that they send out zergs and get zerg wins. Does that sound illogical to you? Here are some nice other facts: NSH got 5 terran wins last week. The Code S breakdown was basically third-third-third, with zerg qualifying the least amount, and each race getting about half of their players to next round. I'm sorry that you suck at TvZ right now but don't try to pin it on balance. Yup let's just not mention every other tournament not named GSL/GSTL | ||
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Catatonic
United States699 Posts
On June 23 2012 21:51 Dodgin wrote: Yup let's just not mention every other tournament not named GSL/GSTL Please do enlighten us on what other tournaments you are thinking of? I can only think of one so either you're delusional, seeing something no one else is seeing, or just extreamly bias I'm thinking two of these are correct though maybe you're right though just not seeing how that's possible lol. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On June 23 2012 22:13 Catatonic wrote: Please do enlighten us on what other tournaments you are thinking of? I can only think of one so either you're delusional, seeing something no one else is seeing, or just extreamly bias I'm thinking two of these are correct though maybe you're right though just not seeing how that's possible lol. Are you really going to make me go through TLPD for you to show the low TvZ winrates? I'm sure you can find it yourself, look at Dreamhack Summer, GESL, and MLG Anaheim. | ||
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Gesarjack
Switzerland117 Posts
On June 23 2012 22:14 Dodgin wrote: Are you really going to make me go through TLPD for you to show the low TvZ winrates? I'm sure you can find it yourself, look at Dreamhack Summer, GESL, and MLG Anaheim. Considering you're including a tournament in which Puma 4-1'ed his group and Marineking went 5-0 in a group that included Symbol, then beat Stephano on his way to finish 3rd, yeah, we're going to make you go through TLPD. Also, that's 3 tournaments. Congrats on using a WAY BIGGER SAMPLE than me. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On June 23 2012 22:14 Dodgin wrote: Are you really going to make me go through TLPD for you to show the low TvZ winrates? I'm sure you can find it yourself, look at Dreamhack Summer, GESL, and MLG Anaheim. Terran finally dropped under 50% in a matchup for once? BLASPHEMY! | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On June 23 2012 22:26 Gesarjack wrote: Considering you're including a tournament in which Puma 4-1'ed his group and Marineking went 5-0 in a group that included Symbol, then beat Stephano on his way to finish 3rd, yeah, we're going to make you go through TLPD. Also, that's 3 tournaments. Congrats on using a WAY BIGGER SAMPLE than me. If you're going to use data to prove a point you can't ignore other tournaments, if you don't want to argue using statistics then I can tell you to simply open your eyes. On June 23 2012 23:13 VirgilSC2 wrote: Terran finally dropped under 50% in a matchup for once? BLASPHEMY! Okay, so the " terran was good before so it's fine that they they had under 35% TvZ in two separate tournaments on the same weekend argument, convincing stuff! I thought we wanted the game to be balanced instead of playing " which race is better this month? " | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On June 23 2012 23:17 Dodgin wrote: If you're going to use data to prove a point you can't ignore other tournaments, if you don't want to argue using statistics then I can tell you to simply open your eyes. Okay, so the " terran was good before so it's fine that they they had under 35% TvZ in two separate tournaments on the same weekend argument, convincing stuff! I thought we wanted the game to be balanced instead of playing " which race is better this month? " The game is heading toward balance. Now that terran can't "herp derp" mass hellions into a drone line and kill everything and the player actually has to have some THOUGHT or SKILL many terran players are suffering. Its not really balance's fault that something got nerfed yet terran players DON'T REACT AT ALL. Terran players have had to do so much less for so long to get the same amount of wins (backd up by early terran dominance ect ect) that now that their race is being more skill based and less "did my hellions run in" they have no idea what the hell to do. Terrans need to start exploring other options, for example mech. Why any terrans are still going bio in TvZ is astonishing as zerg has no good answer for a late game maxed mech push into sky terran/mech. But no, its much easier to still reactor hellion expand into bio or 1 rax expand into bio because thats exactly what's been happening since people actually started expanding | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On June 23 2012 23:31 chipmonklord17 wrote: The game is heading toward balance. Now that terran can't "herp derp" mass hellions into a drone line and kill everything and the player actually has to have some THOUGHT or SKILL many terran players are suffering. Its not really balance's fault that something got nerfed yet terran players DON'T REACT AT ALL. Terran players have had to do so much less for so long to get the same amount of wins (backd up by early terran dominance ect ect) that now that their race is being more skill based and less "did my hellions run in" they have no idea what the hell to do. Terrans need to start exploring other options, for example mech. Why any terrans are still going bio in TvZ is astonishing as zerg has no good answer for a late game maxed mech push into sky terran/mech. But no, its much easier to still reactor hellion expand into bio or 1 rax expand into bio because thats exactly what's been happening since people actually started expanding 1. Mech is terrible if your opponent scouts you and reacts properly, by maxing on roaches and getting drops, picking you apart before you have a big enough army. 2. jesus christ I wonder what you were saying before the Snipe nerf about TvZ if that's how you think it worked. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On June 23 2012 23:31 chipmonklord17 wrote: The game is heading toward balance. Now that terran can't "herp derp" mass hellions into a drone line and kill everything and the player actually has to have some THOUGHT or SKILL many terran players are suffering. Its not really balance's fault that something got nerfed yet terran players DON'T REACT AT ALL. Terran players have had to do so much less for so long to get the same amount of wins (backd up by early terran dominance ect ect) that now that their race is being more skill based and less "did my hellions run in" they have no idea what the hell to do. Terrans need to start exploring other options, for example mech. Why any terrans are still going bio in TvZ is astonishing as zerg has no good answer for a late game maxed mech push into sky terran/mech. But no, its much easier to still reactor hellion expand into bio or 1 rax expand into bio because thats exactly what's been happening since people actually started expanding Except TvZ was 50-50% before the patch... and then Zerg got buffed. The game is heading toward balance they say.... If balance mean TvZ 30%, then sure, we are half way there. | ||
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Malpractice.248
United States734 Posts
I think, before you can claim imbalances, you need to let the metagame shift. people need to try new things if the old isnt working. example: when they nerfed gateway unit build times, z just crushed for a few weeks with 8/10 pools till they figured it out. | ||
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