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On June 17 2012 02:11 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 02:07 TheSir wrote:On June 17 2012 02:05 takingbackoj wrote:On June 17 2012 02:00 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 01:59 TheSir wrote:On June 17 2012 01:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 01:51 mememolly wrote:On June 17 2012 01:46 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 01:44 Sp00ly wrote:On June 17 2012 01:42 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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No it's not at all.
Guys like Slivko, Bly and other lesser known players getting a chance is important.
Random diamond league scrub has no place whatsoever playing at Dreamhack. Dude how can you say that? Do you even know what an open tournament means? An open tournament should work like MLG where the professionals are seeded (based on previous results in qualifiers etc..) and the diamond league players play off camera for a chance to play with the professionals later on if they win enough games. The Dreamhack format is stupid, which is even more funny as they had it right last year when they did seed to pro's and let the randoms play their own tournament with the top two (Osho and Sarens in this case) getting a spot in the main tournament. you can always just watch the tourney from the later stages So apparently the solution to the terrible things tournaments do question is to not complain and make suggestions (which is why MLG is so much better this year than last, why NASL isn't broadcasting 3 month old games and why GSL isn't best of 1 with a virtually locked group of Code S players) it's to not watch at all. Great suggestion mate, the scene with go far with you at the helm. Well i kinda like this setup, it's a opportunity to see some unknowns and everyone (pro's and amateurs) starts equal at the tournament. And over 30k viewers on 2 streams might proof that there are people who do want to watch stages like this, so why not? Unknowns is fine. It's how we got all sorts of players who are now mainstays in the scene like Stephano himself. But if you're not high masters you should not be in the main tournament playing on stream. This. I love watching Ret play but Ret vs a Silver league player? Come on whats the point? I want to see him play at a high level not mass proxy fast expand against a silver league zerg and still win. then come back in a few hours.... i dont understand posts like this Because we want to see some good SC2 games? I would have liked to see Haypro vs Daisy over Ret vs Bronze Joe.
You'll get that later, so as he said, come back in a few hours.
Apparently people who think this is the worst tournament format ever have nothing better to do than sit here moaning, stfu already.
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Stephano vs Tails(swe) game 1 on Stream 1!
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where will they play the playoffs? at dreamhack extreme arena?
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On June 17 2012 02:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 02:03 era909 wrote:On June 17 2012 01:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 01:56 Blueblister wrote:On June 17 2012 01:46 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
An open tournament should work like MLG where the professionals are seeded (based on previous results in qualifiers etc..)
and the diamond league players play off camera for a chance to play with the professionals later on if they win enough games.
The Dreamhack format is stupid, which is even more funny as they had it right last year when they did seed to pro's and let the randoms play their own tournament with the top two (Osho and Sarens in this case) getting a spot in the main tournament. Dude, MLG is not an Open tournament. Besides, I like the DreamHack format as it rewards skill and not past achievements/already having a big name. MLG has an open tournament. It doesn't waste an entire day or the tournament making Stephano play gold league players on stream. On the other hand the Dreamhack format gives ordinary people, you know - those who are a part of "the scene", a chance to play against the pros. Not just one game due to a random bracket draw, but at least 3 group stage games of which at least one is certain to be against a pro. Dreamhack first group stages is like first round of brackets at MLG, only the players signing up for the tournament knows for sure they'll get at least three games and get to play against a pro. I'd say that's doing more for the "scene" than locking the tournament down to the same 30 players every time. Now if only the World Cup would let Equitorial Guinea play Brazil and Fiji play Spain for the first week of the tournament I'm sure football would be able to grow their scene.
They've already had their chance to qualify for the later rounds/main tournament, and I'm pretty sure the games they played were broadcast somewhere even if you didn't see them. Just as the games with the people who qualify for the later group stages will be broadcast by dreamhack later tonight and tomorrow/monday.
Should we seed Spain and Germany directly into the semi-finals of the Euro Champs? I mean, who wants to see Spain dominate the Irish noobs on prime-time television? Maybe England and a few other teams could be allowed to play some early round games of the Euro, just as long as they aren't broadcast anywhere.
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On June 17 2012 02:12 Anonymous_Coward wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 02:11 ZAiNs wrote:On June 17 2012 02:07 TheSir wrote:On June 17 2012 02:05 takingbackoj wrote:On June 17 2012 02:00 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 01:59 TheSir wrote:On June 17 2012 01:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 01:51 mememolly wrote:On June 17 2012 01:46 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 01:44 Sp00ly wrote:
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Dude how can you say that? Do you even know what an open tournament means? An open tournament should work like MLG where the professionals are seeded (based on previous results in qualifiers etc..) and the diamond league players play off camera for a chance to play with the professionals later on if they win enough games. The Dreamhack format is stupid, which is even more funny as they had it right last year when they did seed to pro's and let the randoms play their own tournament with the top two (Osho and Sarens in this case) getting a spot in the main tournament. you can always just watch the tourney from the later stages So apparently the solution to the terrible things tournaments do question is to not complain and make suggestions (which is why MLG is so much better this year than last, why NASL isn't broadcasting 3 month old games and why GSL isn't best of 1 with a virtually locked group of Code S players) it's to not watch at all. Great suggestion mate, the scene with go far with you at the helm. Well i kinda like this setup, it's a opportunity to see some unknowns and everyone (pro's and amateurs) starts equal at the tournament. And over 30k viewers on 2 streams might proof that there are people who do want to watch stages like this, so why not? Unknowns is fine. It's how we got all sorts of players who are now mainstays in the scene like Stephano himself. But if you're not high masters you should not be in the main tournament playing on stream. This. I love watching Ret play but Ret vs a Silver league player? Come on whats the point? I want to see him play at a high level not mass proxy fast expand against a silver league zerg and still win. then come back in a few hours.... i dont understand posts like this Because we want to see some good SC2 games? I would have liked to see Haypro vs Daisy over Ret vs Bronze Joe. You'll get that later, so as he said, come back in a few hours. It's not like these one-sided ROFLstomps are actually interesting to watch for anyone. Apparently people who think this is the worst tournament format ever have nothing better to do than sit here moaning, stfu already.
I'll get it later? I could be getting it now, it's not like there aren't any good games to show.
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On June 17 2012 02:09 Elem wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 02:08 Mackus wrote:
16 groups played out in round 1 so far, only major surprise so far is Dimaga only managing 2nd in his group - Still qualifies but you expect the pros to top their respective groups if its full of rookies. Fraer is pretty darn good...not that big of a suprise.
Fraer was at top on the TLPD ahead of Stephano not many weeks ago, didn't get there without being good.
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On June 17 2012 02:10 Blueblister wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 01:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 01:56 Blueblister wrote:On June 17 2012 01:46 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
An open tournament should work like MLG where the professionals are seeded (based on previous results in qualifiers etc..)
and the diamond league players play off camera for a chance to play with the professionals later on if they win enough games.
The Dreamhack format is stupid, which is even more funny as they had it right last year when they did seed to pro's and let the randoms play their own tournament with the top two (Osho and Sarens in this case) getting a spot in the main tournament. Dude, MLG is not an Open tournament. Besides, I like the DreamHack format as it rewards skill and not past achievements/already having a big name. MLG has an open tournament. It doesn't waste an entire day or the tournament making Stephano play gold league players on stream. MLG is a mainly closed tournament into which 4 players qualifies only to play at a disadvantage to the invited players. The 20 invited "professionals" aren't just seeded, they can come no lower than 28th, always gain ranking points and have little risk of dropping out. Formats like this doesn't allow for up-and-coming players to gain foothold and will eventually lead to a stagnating scene... ....oh wait... that's already happened  MLG did the same with Halo and look how that turned out.
Wrong, wrong wrong. Are you still stuck in 2011 listening to Rebecca Black on repeat?
It's 8 people from the Open Bracket and the pool play guys 100% earnt their spot with their play in the arenas/qualifiers. They are 0 invited players in MLG anymore.
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BTW if anyone doesn't want to watch Stephano vs an unknown, Huk vs Diestar is on imbalanced.tv.
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On June 17 2012 02:13 era909 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 02:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 02:03 era909 wrote:On June 17 2012 01:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 01:56 Blueblister wrote:On June 17 2012 01:46 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
An open tournament should work like MLG where the professionals are seeded (based on previous results in qualifiers etc..)
and the diamond league players play off camera for a chance to play with the professionals later on if they win enough games.
The Dreamhack format is stupid, which is even more funny as they had it right last year when they did seed to pro's and let the randoms play their own tournament with the top two (Osho and Sarens in this case) getting a spot in the main tournament. Dude, MLG is not an Open tournament. Besides, I like the DreamHack format as it rewards skill and not past achievements/already having a big name. MLG has an open tournament. It doesn't waste an entire day or the tournament making Stephano play gold league players on stream. On the other hand the Dreamhack format gives ordinary people, you know - those who are a part of "the scene", a chance to play against the pros. Not just one game due to a random bracket draw, but at least 3 group stage games of which at least one is certain to be against a pro. Dreamhack first group stages is like first round of brackets at MLG, only the players signing up for the tournament knows for sure they'll get at least three games and get to play against a pro. I'd say that's doing more for the "scene" than locking the tournament down to the same 30 players every time. Now if only the World Cup would let Equitorial Guinea play Brazil and Fiji play Spain for the first week of the tournament I'm sure football would be able to grow their scene. They've already had their chance to qualify for the later rounds/main tournament, and I'm pretty sure the games they played were broadcast somewhere even if you didn't see them. Just as the games with the people who qualify for the later group stages will be broadcast by dreamhack later tonight and tomorrow/monday. Should we seed Spain and Germany directly into the semi-finals of the Euro Champs? I mean, who wants to see Spain dominate the Irish noobs on prime-time television? Maybe England and a few other teams could be allowed to play some early round games of the Euro, just as long as they aren't broadcast anywhere.
Spain vs Ireland is like wathing DRG vs Feast.
These games are like watching Spain vs my local over 50s Pub team's reserves.
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On June 17 2012 02:11 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 02:07 TheSir wrote:On June 17 2012 02:05 takingbackoj wrote:On June 17 2012 02:00 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 01:59 TheSir wrote:On June 17 2012 01:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 01:51 mememolly wrote:On June 17 2012 01:46 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 01:44 Sp00ly wrote:On June 17 2012 01:42 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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No it's not at all.
Guys like Slivko, Bly and other lesser known players getting a chance is important.
Random diamond league scrub has no place whatsoever playing at Dreamhack. Dude how can you say that? Do you even know what an open tournament means? An open tournament should work like MLG where the professionals are seeded (based on previous results in qualifiers etc..) and the diamond league players play off camera for a chance to play with the professionals later on if they win enough games. The Dreamhack format is stupid, which is even more funny as they had it right last year when they did seed to pro's and let the randoms play their own tournament with the top two (Osho and Sarens in this case) getting a spot in the main tournament. you can always just watch the tourney from the later stages So apparently the solution to the terrible things tournaments do question is to not complain and make suggestions (which is why MLG is so much better this year than last, why NASL isn't broadcasting 3 month old games and why GSL isn't best of 1 with a virtually locked group of Code S players) it's to not watch at all. Great suggestion mate, the scene with go far with you at the helm. Well i kinda like this setup, it's a opportunity to see some unknowns and everyone (pro's and amateurs) starts equal at the tournament. And over 30k viewers on 2 streams might proof that there are people who do want to watch stages like this, so why not? Unknowns is fine. It's how we got all sorts of players who are now mainstays in the scene like Stephano himself. But if you're not high masters you should not be in the main tournament playing on stream. This. I love watching Ret play but Ret vs a Silver league player? Come on whats the point? I want to see him play at a high level not mass proxy fast expand against a silver league zerg and still win. then come back in a few hours.... i dont understand posts like this Because we want to see some good SC2 games? I would have liked to see Haypro vs Daisy over Ret vs Bronze Joe. MLG also has an open bracket for 'unknowns', but they have MarineKing vs MC as their opening match and have high-level games constantly throughout the first day as well as the other days.
Yeah MLG and Dreamhack are the same...... totally different events, totally different setup. again if you want to see high level play come back later when all the pro's are dumped in pools with each other. There aren't much good games to show atm, so either they pick the best they can or have a lot of downtime..
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This is exiting! Will there be an upset? Will we see a Naniwa vs, Stephano final? Will Aeroplaneoverthesea ever shut the f**k up? Stay tuned folks!
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On June 17 2012 02:13 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 02:12 Anonymous_Coward wrote:On June 17 2012 02:11 ZAiNs wrote:On June 17 2012 02:07 TheSir wrote:On June 17 2012 02:05 takingbackoj wrote:On June 17 2012 02:00 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 01:59 TheSir wrote:On June 17 2012 01:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 01:51 mememolly wrote:On June 17 2012 01:46 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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An open tournament should work like MLG where the professionals are seeded (based on previous results in qualifiers etc..)
and the diamond league players play off camera for a chance to play with the professionals later on if they win enough games.
The Dreamhack format is stupid, which is even more funny as they had it right last year when they did seed to pro's and let the randoms play their own tournament with the top two (Osho and Sarens in this case) getting a spot in the main tournament. you can always just watch the tourney from the later stages So apparently the solution to the terrible things tournaments do question is to not complain and make suggestions (which is why MLG is so much better this year than last, why NASL isn't broadcasting 3 month old games and why GSL isn't best of 1 with a virtually locked group of Code S players) it's to not watch at all. Great suggestion mate, the scene with go far with you at the helm. Well i kinda like this setup, it's a opportunity to see some unknowns and everyone (pro's and amateurs) starts equal at the tournament. And over 30k viewers on 2 streams might proof that there are people who do want to watch stages like this, so why not? Unknowns is fine. It's how we got all sorts of players who are now mainstays in the scene like Stephano himself. But if you're not high masters you should not be in the main tournament playing on stream. This. I love watching Ret play but Ret vs a Silver league player? Come on whats the point? I want to see him play at a high level not mass proxy fast expand against a silver league zerg and still win. then come back in a few hours.... i dont understand posts like this Because we want to see some good SC2 games? I would have liked to see Haypro vs Daisy over Ret vs Bronze Joe. You'll get that later, so as he said, come back in a few hours. It's not like these one-sided ROFLstomps are actually interesting to watch for anyone. Apparently people who think this is the worst tournament format ever have nothing better to do than sit here moaning, stfu already. I'll get it later? I could be getting it now, it's not like there aren't any good games to show.
So how do you decide which games to show?
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On June 17 2012 02:16 elsezilla wrote:
This is exiting! Will there be an upset? Will we see a Naniwa vs, Stephano final? Will Aeroplaneoverthesea ever shut the f**k up? Stay tuned folks!
Exciting indeed, specially about the latter one 
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The amount of people moaning about the quality of the games is incredulous .. This is round 1 of the tournament, in any sport in an open tournament you'll see below-par games
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Tails doing awesome drop harass on Stephano.
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On June 17 2012 02:17 Mackus wrote:
The amount of people moaning about the quality of the games is incredulous .. This is round 1 of the tournament, in any sport in an open tournament you'll see below-par games
The funny thing is everyone knows that the first groupstage wont deliver the best games and still they tune in. It's like going to McDonalds expecting good food while you know it sucks.
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On June 17 2012 02:16 TheSir wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 02:11 ZAiNs wrote:On June 17 2012 02:07 TheSir wrote:On June 17 2012 02:05 takingbackoj wrote:On June 17 2012 02:00 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 01:59 TheSir wrote:On June 17 2012 01:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 01:51 mememolly wrote:On June 17 2012 01:46 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 01:44 Sp00ly wrote:
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Dude how can you say that? Do you even know what an open tournament means? An open tournament should work like MLG where the professionals are seeded (based on previous results in qualifiers etc..) and the diamond league players play off camera for a chance to play with the professionals later on if they win enough games. The Dreamhack format is stupid, which is even more funny as they had it right last year when they did seed to pro's and let the randoms play their own tournament with the top two (Osho and Sarens in this case) getting a spot in the main tournament. you can always just watch the tourney from the later stages So apparently the solution to the terrible things tournaments do question is to not complain and make suggestions (which is why MLG is so much better this year than last, why NASL isn't broadcasting 3 month old games and why GSL isn't best of 1 with a virtually locked group of Code S players) it's to not watch at all. Great suggestion mate, the scene with go far with you at the helm. Well i kinda like this setup, it's a opportunity to see some unknowns and everyone (pro's and amateurs) starts equal at the tournament. And over 30k viewers on 2 streams might proof that there are people who do want to watch stages like this, so why not? Unknowns is fine. It's how we got all sorts of players who are now mainstays in the scene like Stephano himself. But if you're not high masters you should not be in the main tournament playing on stream. This. I love watching Ret play but Ret vs a Silver league player? Come on whats the point? I want to see him play at a high level not mass proxy fast expand against a silver league zerg and still win. then come back in a few hours.... i dont understand posts like this Because we want to see some good SC2 games? I would have liked to see Haypro vs Daisy over Ret vs Bronze Joe. MLG also has an open bracket for 'unknowns', but they have MarineKing vs MC as their opening match and have high-level games constantly throughout the first day as well as the other days. Yeah MLG and Dreamhack are the same...... totally different events, totally different setup. again if you want to see high level play come back later when all the pro's are dumped in pools with each other. There aren't much good games to show, so either they pick the best they can or have a lot of downtime..
That's the thing though, there are good games to show. Haypro vs 'Firefly' was broadcast, but Haypro vs Daisy (you know, ex-Prime player who qualified for TSL4 and moved out of Korea a few months ago?) wasn't. What does that tell you? If there actually were no good games to show I would just tune in later, but I'm staying because there are some games I actually want to see, and I may or may not see them...
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is Tails the same Korean protoss Tails? did he switch to terran?
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On June 17 2012 02:17 Integra wrote:
Tails doing awesome drop harass on Stephano.
Lol no there was no creep on the edge of stephanos base, he should have dropped to that area and then stimmed and he could have focused main hatch down, instead he didnt get anything done. Same time he could have killed all the drones from stephanos 3rd with those hellions but got scared of a couple of roaches and didnt do anything. Bad play.
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On June 17 2012 02:20 Darpa wrote:
is Tails the same Korean protoss Tails? did he switch to terran?
No, this Tails is swedish.
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