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On June 15 2012 20:22 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 20:21 Fragile51 wrote:
Where is your zealot creator
You need a zealot there creator Bob the zealot on a smoke break
Smoking kills
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On June 15 2012 20:21 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 20:10 rothsbury wrote:On June 15 2012 20:09 Dodgin wrote:On June 15 2012 20:07 ImNightmare wrote:On June 15 2012 20:05 Dodgin wrote:On June 15 2012 20:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 15 2012 20:02 Mackus wrote:On June 15 2012 19:52 Fubi wrote:On June 15 2012 19:49 Xcobidoo wrote:On June 15 2012 19:48 Mackus wrote:
Correct me on this but there hasnt been a single Terran win this GSTL having MKP, Byun and MVP involved? Only Jjakji has won so far I'm pretty sure... Nope... 0 Terran win in TvZ so far in GSTL I meant in general but Jjakji in a TvP is the only Terran win so far this tournament which is pretty bad race representation wise Doesn't matter, in GSL only one zerg got through. Nestea. Curious got smacked down by Seed, not a terran. and Line is Line. wait for the good zergs to play next week before passing any judgements on that. Yeah? GSTL is famous for not being representative of a player's skill then. MVP and nestea suck in it, I don't see why people are passing judgement on it, its more like they want to prove something. I dunno man 0-12 tvz seems like a problem not related to skill seeing as how mvp mkp and mma all lost to zergs. You got to give the TvZ match-up time. Prepatch terrans just went reactor fac hellions 95% of the time, and they've only had a month to adapt to the increased queen range. They'll figure it out much better and you'll see TvZ improve. Too often in SC2 people see one race temporarily weaker (like the 111 vs protoss) and assume it's because of fundamental imbalance, when a lot of the time you can solve the problem by giving the players time to figure out a solution. That's so arrogant. We HAVE TO give the MU time? On who's authority? And do you promise that TvZ will improve? You know this for a fact? And the 111 died against Protoss because P got buffed specifically to counter the 111. If you're going to argue for this position, you better do it properly, rather than just making arrogant claims.
On Blizzard's authority. Seeing as how this is how they deal with balance otherwise there would be a new patch every week. Metagames change. You need to calm down.
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Creator isn't in a bad position at all. He can still win this. I BELIEVE!
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On June 15 2012 20:21 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 20:10 rothsbury wrote:On June 15 2012 20:09 Dodgin wrote:On June 15 2012 20:07 ImNightmare wrote:On June 15 2012 20:05 Dodgin wrote:On June 15 2012 20:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 15 2012 20:02 Mackus wrote:On June 15 2012 19:52 Fubi wrote:On June 15 2012 19:49 Xcobidoo wrote:On June 15 2012 19:48 Mackus wrote:
Correct me on this but there hasnt been a single Terran win this GSTL having MKP, Byun and MVP involved? Only Jjakji has won so far I'm pretty sure... Nope... 0 Terran win in TvZ so far in GSTL I meant in general but Jjakji in a TvP is the only Terran win so far this tournament which is pretty bad race representation wise Doesn't matter, in GSL only one zerg got through. Nestea. Curious got smacked down by Seed, not a terran. and Line is Line. wait for the good zergs to play next week before passing any judgements on that. Yeah? GSTL is famous for not being representative of a player's skill then. MVP and nestea suck in it, I don't see why people are passing judgement on it, its more like they want to prove something. I dunno man 0-12 tvz seems like a problem not related to skill seeing as how mvp mkp and mma all lost to zergs. You got to give the TvZ match-up time. Prepatch terrans just went reactor fac hellions 95% of the time, and they've only had a month to adapt to the increased queen range. They'll figure it out much better and you'll see TvZ improve. Too often in SC2 people see one race temporarily weaker (like the 111 vs protoss) and assume it's because of fundamental imbalance, when a lot of the time you can solve the problem by giving the players time to figure out a solution. That's so arrogant. We HAVE TO give the MU time? On who's authority? And do you promise that TvZ will improve? You know this for a fact? And the 111 died against Protoss because P got buffed specifically to counter the 111. If you're going to argue for this position, you better do it properly, rather than just making arrogant claims.
Nah you're right, let's patch the game every two months in response to changing metagame. They didn't patch BW every two months and yet somehow - I don't know how - people survived. And fuck off with the arrogance bullshit. You think the metagame doesn't evolve at all, and that the current racial imbalances are fixed for all time? You're not arrogant, you're just an idiot.
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On June 15 2012 20:22 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 20:21 Fragile51 wrote:
Where is your zealot creator
You need a zealot there creator Bob the zealot on a smoke break
You can't smoke if you don't have a mouth. Just slap a nicotine patch on.
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On June 15 2012 20:22 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 20:22 Hassybaby wrote:On June 15 2012 20:21 Fragile51 wrote:
Where is your zealot creator
You need a zealot there creator Bob the zealot on a smoke break Smoking kills
Second hand smoke kills probes apparently.
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United States8476 Posts
On June 15 2012 20:20 Nekovivie wrote:
that zealot might have won him the game
Yea, you usually want to morph the first 6 lings into banes. That zealot delayed the attack by about 40+ seconds.
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On June 15 2012 20:21 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 20:10 rothsbury wrote:On June 15 2012 20:09 Dodgin wrote:On June 15 2012 20:07 ImNightmare wrote:On June 15 2012 20:05 Dodgin wrote:On June 15 2012 20:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 15 2012 20:02 Mackus wrote:On June 15 2012 19:52 Fubi wrote:On June 15 2012 19:49 Xcobidoo wrote:On June 15 2012 19:48 Mackus wrote:
Correct me on this but there hasnt been a single Terran win this GSTL having MKP, Byun and MVP involved? Only Jjakji has won so far I'm pretty sure... Nope... 0 Terran win in TvZ so far in GSTL I meant in general but Jjakji in a TvP is the only Terran win so far this tournament which is pretty bad race representation wise Doesn't matter, in GSL only one zerg got through. Nestea. Curious got smacked down by Seed, not a terran. and Line is Line. wait for the good zergs to play next week before passing any judgements on that. Yeah? GSTL is famous for not being representative of a player's skill then. MVP and nestea suck in it, I don't see why people are passing judgement on it, its more like they want to prove something. I dunno man 0-12 tvz seems like a problem not related to skill seeing as how mvp mkp and mma all lost to zergs. You got to give the TvZ match-up time. Prepatch terrans just went reactor fac hellions 95% of the time, and they've only had a month to adapt to the increased queen range. They'll figure it out much better and you'll see TvZ improve. Too often in SC2 people see one race temporarily weaker (like the 111 vs protoss) and assume it's because of fundamental imbalance, when a lot of the time you can solve the problem by giving the players time to figure out a solution. That's so arrogant. We HAVE TO give the MU time? On who's authority? And do you promise that TvZ will improve? You know this for a fact? And the 111 died against Protoss because P got buffed specifically to counter the 111. If you're going to argue for this position, you better do it properly, rather than just making arrogant claims.
Well in BW the game evolved thanks to maps and strategy innovation, not because of patches. I don't know wether the game is broken right now or the terrans need some innovation.. But i don't wanna see patch after patch..
Protoss came up with FFE on their own against zerg, lets hope terrans come up with more marine pressure in a new build rather than mass reactor helion standard play.
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On June 15 2012 20:23 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 20:21 Ghanburighan wrote:On June 15 2012 20:10 rothsbury wrote:On June 15 2012 20:09 Dodgin wrote:On June 15 2012 20:07 ImNightmare wrote:On June 15 2012 20:05 Dodgin wrote:On June 15 2012 20:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 15 2012 20:02 Mackus wrote:On June 15 2012 19:52 Fubi wrote:On June 15 2012 19:49 Xcobidoo wrote:
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Only Jjakji has won so far I'm pretty sure... Nope... 0 Terran win in TvZ so far in GSTL I meant in general but Jjakji in a TvP is the only Terran win so far this tournament which is pretty bad race representation wise Doesn't matter, in GSL only one zerg got through. Nestea. Curious got smacked down by Seed, not a terran. and Line is Line. wait for the good zergs to play next week before passing any judgements on that. Yeah? GSTL is famous for not being representative of a player's skill then. MVP and nestea suck in it, I don't see why people are passing judgement on it, its more like they want to prove something. I dunno man 0-12 tvz seems like a problem not related to skill seeing as how mvp mkp and mma all lost to zergs. You got to give the TvZ match-up time. Prepatch terrans just went reactor fac hellions 95% of the time, and they've only had a month to adapt to the increased queen range. They'll figure it out much better and you'll see TvZ improve. Too often in SC2 people see one race temporarily weaker (like the 111 vs protoss) and assume it's because of fundamental imbalance, when a lot of the time you can solve the problem by giving the players time to figure out a solution. That's so arrogant. We HAVE TO give the MU time? On who's authority? And do you promise that TvZ will improve? You know this for a fact? And the 111 died against Protoss because P got buffed specifically to counter the 111. If you're going to argue for this position, you better do it properly, rather than just making arrogant claims. Nah you're right, let's patch the game every two months in response to changing metagame. They didn't patch BW every two months and yet somehow - I don't know how - people survived. And fuck off with the arrogance bullshit. You think the metagame doesn't evolve at all, and that the current racial imbalances are fixed for all time? You're not arrogant, you're just an idiot.
Zerg getting buffed is not exactly the same as a change in metagame.
Time is needed still, but its not looking great at the moment.
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On June 15 2012 20:22 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 20:21 Ghanburighan wrote:On June 15 2012 20:10 rothsbury wrote:On June 15 2012 20:09 Dodgin wrote:On June 15 2012 20:07 ImNightmare wrote:On June 15 2012 20:05 Dodgin wrote:On June 15 2012 20:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 15 2012 20:02 Mackus wrote:On June 15 2012 19:52 Fubi wrote:On June 15 2012 19:49 Xcobidoo wrote:
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Only Jjakji has won so far I'm pretty sure... Nope... 0 Terran win in TvZ so far in GSTL I meant in general but Jjakji in a TvP is the only Terran win so far this tournament which is pretty bad race representation wise Doesn't matter, in GSL only one zerg got through. Nestea. Curious got smacked down by Seed, not a terran. and Line is Line. wait for the good zergs to play next week before passing any judgements on that. Yeah? GSTL is famous for not being representative of a player's skill then. MVP and nestea suck in it, I don't see why people are passing judgement on it, its more like they want to prove something. I dunno man 0-12 tvz seems like a problem not related to skill seeing as how mvp mkp and mma all lost to zergs. You got to give the TvZ match-up time. Prepatch terrans just went reactor fac hellions 95% of the time, and they've only had a month to adapt to the increased queen range. They'll figure it out much better and you'll see TvZ improve. Too often in SC2 people see one race temporarily weaker (like the 111 vs protoss) and assume it's because of fundamental imbalance, when a lot of the time you can solve the problem by giving the players time to figure out a solution. That's so arrogant. We HAVE TO give the MU time? On who's authority? And do you promise that TvZ will improve? You know this for a fact? And the 111 died against Protoss because P got buffed specifically to counter the 111. If you're going to argue for this position, you better do it properly, rather than just making arrogant claims. Woah... calm down dude. Why so angry?
What is for sure is Z did not need a buff vs Terran. And now that Terrans are getting rolled over by Zergs all day, I think it's logical to say, Blizzard what the fuck did you do there?
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Norway25712 Posts
On June 15 2012 20:20 KristofferAG wrote: Creator v  ByuLPrime v FnaticRCMap: Cloud Kingdom5.00Nexus before Forge and Gateway for Creator. ByuL going for his third as his natural is being blocked. Single gas for ByuL as he takes his natural. Double gas for Creator, along with Cybercore. baneling Nest on the way for ByuL. Imba Zealot control kills four lings and deathly injures 2 others (it's okay though, they regrow their limbs n stuff) warpgate tech, double assimilator and +1 attack for Creator. Blings being morphed!
10.00
So many half-dead Probes.
The first forcefield goes down, blocking the blings, but there's a gap in the wall and blings make it in. Clutch forcefield goes down, but a single bling hits a bunch of Probes and weakens them, no more Sentries. More blings make it in as the forcefield goes down killing a huge amount of Probes. Another bling morphing in the mineral line barely finishes, hurting another huge amount of Probes.
Twilight Council on the way for Creator.
Metabolic Boost started for ByuL as a bunch of Drones are being made.
Hallucination being researched.
Another 2 Gateways added on along with Blink and +2 attack.
Roach warren, Lair and another couple gas for ByuL. Evo Chamber started.
Creator going for a third.
Macro Hatch for ByuL, starting +1 ranged attack.
Hallucinated Phoenixes scout everything.
Overseer scouts everything for ByuL.
Roach Speed started by ByuL.
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On June 15 2012 20:23 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 20:21 Ghanburighan wrote:On June 15 2012 20:10 rothsbury wrote:On June 15 2012 20:09 Dodgin wrote:On June 15 2012 20:07 ImNightmare wrote:On June 15 2012 20:05 Dodgin wrote:On June 15 2012 20:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 15 2012 20:02 Mackus wrote:On June 15 2012 19:52 Fubi wrote:On June 15 2012 19:49 Xcobidoo wrote:
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Only Jjakji has won so far I'm pretty sure... Nope... 0 Terran win in TvZ so far in GSTL I meant in general but Jjakji in a TvP is the only Terran win so far this tournament which is pretty bad race representation wise Doesn't matter, in GSL only one zerg got through. Nestea. Curious got smacked down by Seed, not a terran. and Line is Line. wait for the good zergs to play next week before passing any judgements on that. Yeah? GSTL is famous for not being representative of a player's skill then. MVP and nestea suck in it, I don't see why people are passing judgement on it, its more like they want to prove something. I dunno man 0-12 tvz seems like a problem not related to skill seeing as how mvp mkp and mma all lost to zergs. You got to give the TvZ match-up time. Prepatch terrans just went reactor fac hellions 95% of the time, and they've only had a month to adapt to the increased queen range. They'll figure it out much better and you'll see TvZ improve. Too often in SC2 people see one race temporarily weaker (like the 111 vs protoss) and assume it's because of fundamental imbalance, when a lot of the time you can solve the problem by giving the players time to figure out a solution. That's so arrogant. We HAVE TO give the MU time? On who's authority? And do you promise that TvZ will improve? You know this for a fact? And the 111 died against Protoss because P got buffed specifically to counter the 111. If you're going to argue for this position, you better do it properly, rather than just making arrogant claims. Nah you're right, let's patch the game every two months in response to changing metagame. They didn't patch BW every two months and yet somehow - I don't know how - people survived. And fuck off with the arrogance bullshit. You think the metagame doesn't evolve at all, and that the current racial imbalances are fixed for all time? You're not arrogant, you're just an idiot.
We wouldn't be in this situation if Blizzard didn't patch queens though, that's the thing. TvZ was just fine before with Zergs having an advantage in the late-game post ghost nerf but now Zerg also have the advantage in the early-midgame.
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On June 15 2012 20:24 Jono7272 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 20:23 rothsbury wrote:On June 15 2012 20:21 Ghanburighan wrote:On June 15 2012 20:10 rothsbury wrote:On June 15 2012 20:09 Dodgin wrote:On June 15 2012 20:07 ImNightmare wrote:On June 15 2012 20:05 Dodgin wrote:On June 15 2012 20:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 15 2012 20:02 Mackus wrote:On June 15 2012 19:52 Fubi wrote:
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Nope... 0 Terran win in TvZ so far in GSTL I meant in general but Jjakji in a TvP is the only Terran win so far this tournament which is pretty bad race representation wise Doesn't matter, in GSL only one zerg got through. Nestea. Curious got smacked down by Seed, not a terran. and Line is Line. wait for the good zergs to play next week before passing any judgements on that. Yeah? GSTL is famous for not being representative of a player's skill then. MVP and nestea suck in it, I don't see why people are passing judgement on it, its more like they want to prove something. I dunno man 0-12 tvz seems like a problem not related to skill seeing as how mvp mkp and mma all lost to zergs. You got to give the TvZ match-up time. Prepatch terrans just went reactor fac hellions 95% of the time, and they've only had a month to adapt to the increased queen range. They'll figure it out much better and you'll see TvZ improve. Too often in SC2 people see one race temporarily weaker (like the 111 vs protoss) and assume it's because of fundamental imbalance, when a lot of the time you can solve the problem by giving the players time to figure out a solution. That's so arrogant. We HAVE TO give the MU time? On who's authority? And do you promise that TvZ will improve? You know this for a fact? And the 111 died against Protoss because P got buffed specifically to counter the 111. If you're going to argue for this position, you better do it properly, rather than just making arrogant claims. Nah you're right, let's patch the game every two months in response to changing metagame. They didn't patch BW every two months and yet somehow - I don't know how - people survived. And fuck off with the arrogance bullshit. You think the metagame doesn't evolve at all, and that the current racial imbalances are fixed for all time? You're not arrogant, you're just an idiot. Zerg getting buffed is not exactly the same as a change in metagame. Time is needed still, but its not looking great at the moment.
Zergs were going crazy in BW when Bisu came out but we figured it out in the end. I don't really like how blizzard patches things everytime. I really hope they fix this mistake in HoTs and focus on making things balance from the start.
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On June 15 2012 20:24 Jono7272 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 20:23 rothsbury wrote:On June 15 2012 20:21 Ghanburighan wrote:On June 15 2012 20:10 rothsbury wrote:On June 15 2012 20:09 Dodgin wrote:On June 15 2012 20:07 ImNightmare wrote:On June 15 2012 20:05 Dodgin wrote:On June 15 2012 20:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 15 2012 20:02 Mackus wrote:On June 15 2012 19:52 Fubi wrote:
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Nope... 0 Terran win in TvZ so far in GSTL I meant in general but Jjakji in a TvP is the only Terran win so far this tournament which is pretty bad race representation wise Doesn't matter, in GSL only one zerg got through. Nestea. Curious got smacked down by Seed, not a terran. and Line is Line. wait for the good zergs to play next week before passing any judgements on that. Yeah? GSTL is famous for not being representative of a player's skill then. MVP and nestea suck in it, I don't see why people are passing judgement on it, its more like they want to prove something. I dunno man 0-12 tvz seems like a problem not related to skill seeing as how mvp mkp and mma all lost to zergs. You got to give the TvZ match-up time. Prepatch terrans just went reactor fac hellions 95% of the time, and they've only had a month to adapt to the increased queen range. They'll figure it out much better and you'll see TvZ improve. Too often in SC2 people see one race temporarily weaker (like the 111 vs protoss) and assume it's because of fundamental imbalance, when a lot of the time you can solve the problem by giving the players time to figure out a solution. That's so arrogant. We HAVE TO give the MU time? On who's authority? And do you promise that TvZ will improve? You know this for a fact? And the 111 died against Protoss because P got buffed specifically to counter the 111. If you're going to argue for this position, you better do it properly, rather than just making arrogant claims. Nah you're right, let's patch the game every two months in response to changing metagame. They didn't patch BW every two months and yet somehow - I don't know how - people survived. And fuck off with the arrogance bullshit. You think the metagame doesn't evolve at all, and that the current racial imbalances are fixed for all time? You're not arrogant, you're just an idiot. Zerg getting buffed is not exactly the same as a change in metagame. Time is needed still, but its not looking great at the moment.
What I meant is that Blizzard keeps on patching in response to metagame, which in turn changes the metagame. The queen buff was a forced change on the metagame (which shouldn't have happened imo) but unless Blizzard undoes it it's still a change in the metagame that people will have to adapt to.
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
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On June 15 2012 20:23 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 20:21 Ghanburighan wrote:On June 15 2012 20:10 rothsbury wrote:On June 15 2012 20:09 Dodgin wrote:On June 15 2012 20:07 ImNightmare wrote:On June 15 2012 20:05 Dodgin wrote:On June 15 2012 20:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 15 2012 20:02 Mackus wrote:On June 15 2012 19:52 Fubi wrote:On June 15 2012 19:49 Xcobidoo wrote:
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Only Jjakji has won so far I'm pretty sure... Nope... 0 Terran win in TvZ so far in GSTL I meant in general but Jjakji in a TvP is the only Terran win so far this tournament which is pretty bad race representation wise Doesn't matter, in GSL only one zerg got through. Nestea. Curious got smacked down by Seed, not a terran. and Line is Line. wait for the good zergs to play next week before passing any judgements on that. Yeah? GSTL is famous for not being representative of a player's skill then. MVP and nestea suck in it, I don't see why people are passing judgement on it, its more like they want to prove something. I dunno man 0-12 tvz seems like a problem not related to skill seeing as how mvp mkp and mma all lost to zergs. You got to give the TvZ match-up time. Prepatch terrans just went reactor fac hellions 95% of the time, and they've only had a month to adapt to the increased queen range. They'll figure it out much better and you'll see TvZ improve. Too often in SC2 people see one race temporarily weaker (like the 111 vs protoss) and assume it's because of fundamental imbalance, when a lot of the time you can solve the problem by giving the players time to figure out a solution. That's so arrogant. We HAVE TO give the MU time? On who's authority? And do you promise that TvZ will improve? You know this for a fact? And the 111 died against Protoss because P got buffed specifically to counter the 111. If you're going to argue for this position, you better do it properly, rather than just making arrogant claims. Nah you're right, let's patch the game every two months in response to changing metagame. They didn't patch BW every two months and yet somehow - I don't know how - people survived. And fuck off with the arrogance bullshit. You think the metagame doesn't evolve at all, and that the current racial imbalances are fixed for all time? You're not arrogant, you're just an idiot.
When a patch comes out and completely fucks up a matchup I think its logical that something should be done to FIX IT.
Again, Z buff was uncalled for.
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It's gonna be so tough for creator to come back from this
Gratz Fnatic
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I really love Byul's play this GSTL.
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If Creator falls, so does Prime.
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EPT
