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On July 02 2012 02:58 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 02:31 jnd wrote:On July 02 2012 02:14 Otolia wrote:
Pathetic display from DeMusliM and BlinG. They should be ashamed of being in pro teams.
JonnyREcco and Ziktomini may be good players but they aren't the only good but unknown players in EU (despite what some overly patriotic Brits may think) and while I appreciate a good underdog story like everyone else, only one of them should have been able to qualify - and none if you consider that UK should only have 2 seed maximum. It seems like you completely missed the point of the whole WCS tournament. It is not meant to bring only the best and most known players, it's quite the opposite. Anyway, do you hold the French tournament to the same standards? If yes, then tell ESL to cancel it and simply hand over the money and tickets to Stephano and maybe Adelscott. You better don't watch next week, someone else might win the top 3 spots and you'll be terribly disappointed! :D If Stephano doesn't win the tournament, he will be flamed. The amount of flak Adelscott got because he couldn't qualify until the last qualifier is enormous. And if he doesn't get to the top 3, he is going to be flamed as well. And I'll be in the frontline if that happens. If you can't be the best for your country, you better have a good excuse especially when you reside 24/7 in a Gaming House. I suppose some are more interested in social interaction as Kennigit mentionned in his blog ... The point of the tournament has nothing to do with individual performance, BlinG and DeMusliM performances were terrible because as a progamer you owed to yourself to do better than those who aren't sponsored. Is it cool to have Zikto and Jonny winning ? Yes it is and I'm satisfied with the outcome of the tournament because it gave spots to people who deserves it. But that wasn't my point. PS : If you really think 2 guys riding favored match-ups right now is going to change your scene, you are daydreaming and I'll need to get back to you in 6 months. UK isn't the best amateur scene in EU, Sweden is, followed by France and Germany.
Bias much? lol
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On July 02 2012 02:58 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 02:31 jnd wrote:On July 02 2012 02:14 Otolia wrote:
Pathetic display from DeMusliM and BlinG. They should be ashamed of being in pro teams.
JonnyREcco and Ziktomini may be good players but they aren't the only good but unknown players in EU (despite what some overly patriotic Brits may think) and while I appreciate a good underdog story like everyone else, only one of them should have been able to qualify - and none if you consider that UK should only have 2 seed maximum. It seems like you completely missed the point of the whole WCS tournament. It is not meant to bring only the best and most known players, it's quite the opposite. Anyway, do you hold the French tournament to the same standards? If yes, then tell ESL to cancel it and simply hand over the money and tickets to Stephano and maybe Adelscott. You better don't watch next week, someone else might win the top 3 spots and you'll be terribly disappointed! :D If Stephano doesn't win the tournament, he will be flamed. The amount of flak Adelscott got because he couldn't qualify until the last qualifier is enormous. And if he doesn't get to the top 3, he is going to be flamed as well. And I'll be in the frontline if that happens. If you can't be the best for your country, you better have a good excuse especially when you reside 24/7 in a Gaming House. I suppose some are more interested in social interaction as Kennigit mentionned in his blog ... The point of the tournament has nothing to do with individual performance, BlinG and DeMusliM performances were terrible because as a progamer you owed to yourself to do better than those who aren't sponsored. Is it cool to have Zikto and Jonny winning ? Yes it is and I'm satisfied with the outcome of the tournament because it gave spots to people who deserves it. But that wasn't my point. PS : If you really think 2 guys riding favored match-ups right now is going to change your scene, you are daydreaming and I'll need to get back to you in 6 months. UK isn't the best amateur scene in EU, Sweden is, followed by France and Germany.
Massive rofl at putting France with Germany.
France has a way worse scene than Germany and Ukraine and worse than Poland and Russia too. In fact outside of Stephano you've basically nothing but a Wc3 guy who hasn't done shit in this game and a guy who hasn't done anything of note since he lagged Mvp out of TSL3. You're a one man country with little in the way of up and coming talent.
Poland
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On July 02 2012 02:58 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 02:31 jnd wrote:On July 02 2012 02:14 Otolia wrote:
Pathetic display from DeMusliM and BlinG. They should be ashamed of being in pro teams.
JonnyREcco and Ziktomini may be good players but they aren't the only good but unknown players in EU (despite what some overly patriotic Brits may think) and while I appreciate a good underdog story like everyone else, only one of them should have been able to qualify - and none if you consider that UK should only have 2 seed maximum. It seems like you completely missed the point of the whole WCS tournament. It is not meant to bring only the best and most known players, it's quite the opposite. Anyway, do you hold the French tournament to the same standards? If yes, then tell ESL to cancel it and simply hand over the money and tickets to Stephano and maybe Adelscott. You better don't watch next week, someone else might win the top 3 spots and you'll be terribly disappointed! :D If Stephano doesn't win the tournament, he will be flamed. The amount of flak Adelscott got because he couldn't qualify until the last qualifier is enormous. And if he doesn't get to the top 3, he is going to be flamed as well. And I'll be in the frontline if that happens. If you can't be the best for your country, you better have a good excuse especially when you reside 24/7 in a Gaming House. I suppose some are more interested in social interaction as Kennigit mentionned in his blog ... The point of the tournament has nothing to do with individual performance, BlinG and DeMusliM performances were terrible because as a progamer you owed to yourself to do better than those who aren't sponsored. Is it cool to have Zikto and Jonny winning ? Yes it is and I'm satisfied with the outcome of the tournament because it gave spots to people who deserves it. But that wasn't my point. PS : If you really think 2 guys riding favored match-ups right now is going to change your scene, you are daydreaming and I'll need to get back to you in 6 months. UK isn't the best amateur scene in EU, Sweden is, followed by France and Germany.
If 2 guys are riding favored matchups, then how come DeMusliM is considered bad for getting 2nd after losing a TvZ (which has been hard for Terrans in general, and especially him in the past month?) He still did well enough to take out BlinG 2-0 and 2-1'ed Johnny in the rematch. Can't win them all, especially after losing to a roach all-in.
And the UK was never hyped up as the best Amateur scene. It has a few nice growing players, and is on par with countries like France, but what do you expect from a country that has relatively crappy infrastructure for online gaming?
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On July 02 2012 02:50 Vardant wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 02:25 Evangelist wrote:On July 02 2012 02:19 Vardant wrote:On July 02 2012 02:00 Ghanburighan wrote:On July 02 2012 01:59 Vardant wrote:On July 02 2012 01:51 vthree wrote:On July 02 2012 01:41 Trowa127 wrote:On July 02 2012 01:35 soverRR wrote:On July 02 2012 01:30 Kenpark wrote:
Well Nani is 100% right. These arent really high level games and I doubt anyone of the players could come even close to qualifying through the sweden qualifier, while there are at least 10 swedes, who could EASILY make top 3 in this. Yeah, he's saying what a lot of people are thinking, but he does it quite unprofessionally. Then again, there's a lot that can be said about the # of seeds for different countries in this tournament. Sorry, who is thinking what Nani just said? You say a lot of people, I haven't seen a single person present a semi-decent argument supporting what he said haha. As many people have pointed out, if you wanted a fair representation, there would be 95% koreans. That's not what the WCS is about. heh, anyone who actually CAN think would know what Naniwa said was ridiculous. Unless you want to give Korea 30 spots and the rest of the world 2 for the WCS (which would be the 'fair' representation). Look at the number of slots. Germany gets 4, Sweden gets 3, same as the UK. Now anyone who knows anything about SC2 pro scene has to understand, why that is weird and why especially Swedish players are angry about this. You forgot to write down your argument. The argument is so blindingly obvious, that I can't believe you're actually asking me to spell it out for you. You can easily fill all the spots in Sweden with players, that are known and we actually know, they can go toe to toe with the best in the world. Before the UK nationals, you would be hard pressed to even name three UK guys and then there's the question, if they would be even able to hold their own against the rest of the players. Which I'd love to see, don't get me wrong, but I'd rather give somebody a chance in the big leagues after they show us a little bit more. The whole point of these nationals is to GROW THE SCENE IN EACH COUNTRY. There are hundreds of tournaments where the established pros can milk their fame and skill already. The UK has a lot of SC2 players, as many as Sweden and only a little less than Germany. If the scene starts to grow here it'll take off really quickly and we need that exposure. As for Sweden getting 3 players, if those 3 players are as good as they seem to be (Naniwa + Thorzain + someone else?) then they might take the whole tournament. Oh and the rest can't sign up for the hundreds of tournaments and build their name like everybody else had to do at one point or the other? They would still get their chance, even though there might be one slot less. If the announcement had -1 slot for the UK in favor of Sweden to begin with, nobody would say a bloody thing. But this is not really fair to the better players out there, that don't get their chance, because they were apparently born in the wrong country with a bad pro players/Bnet pop. ratio... This whole thing is after all called World Championship, is it not? So it would be obvious to alter the rules, so they would make more sense. Inviting a guy, who will get hyped for a week and then forgotten the next is not helping anybody.
They can't if they don't have a team, and it's hard to find a team when the same players, who are on team, are playing in both the big LANs and in daily cups, how will you get enough exposure?
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On July 02 2012 02:58 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 02:31 jnd wrote:On July 02 2012 02:14 Otolia wrote:
Pathetic display from DeMusliM and BlinG. They should be ashamed of being in pro teams.
JonnyREcco and Ziktomini may be good players but they aren't the only good but unknown players in EU (despite what some overly patriotic Brits may think) and while I appreciate a good underdog story like everyone else, only one of them should have been able to qualify - and none if you consider that UK should only have 2 seed maximum. It seems like you completely missed the point of the whole WCS tournament. It is not meant to bring only the best and most known players, it's quite the opposite. Anyway, do you hold the French tournament to the same standards? If yes, then tell ESL to cancel it and simply hand over the money and tickets to Stephano and maybe Adelscott. You better don't watch next week, someone else might win the top 3 spots and you'll be terribly disappointed! :D If Stephano doesn't win the tournament, he will be flamed. The amount of flak Adelscott got because he couldn't qualify until the last qualifier is enormous. And if he doesn't get to the top 3, he is going to be flamed as well. And I'll be in the frontline if that happens. If you can't be the best for your country, you better have a good excuse especially when you reside 24/7 in a Gaming House. I suppose some are more interested in social interaction as Kennigit mentionned in his blog ...
Shit happens, both Zikto and Demuslim alluded to Zerg being favored against Terran as the reason. Besides, its not as if the US didn't have iNsur, Daisuki and Vibe as top 3 while Sheth, Illusion fell by the wayside (Sheth didn't even make top 16). TLO and Goody (the guy who beat fucking MMA in TvT) made 9-12 for Germany.
They're all signed to top teams and didn't make it.
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On July 02 2012 03:18 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 02:58 Otolia wrote:On July 02 2012 02:31 jnd wrote:On July 02 2012 02:14 Otolia wrote:
Pathetic display from DeMusliM and BlinG. They should be ashamed of being in pro teams.
JonnyREcco and Ziktomini may be good players but they aren't the only good but unknown players in EU (despite what some overly patriotic Brits may think) and while I appreciate a good underdog story like everyone else, only one of them should have been able to qualify - and none if you consider that UK should only have 2 seed maximum. It seems like you completely missed the point of the whole WCS tournament. It is not meant to bring only the best and most known players, it's quite the opposite. Anyway, do you hold the French tournament to the same standards? If yes, then tell ESL to cancel it and simply hand over the money and tickets to Stephano and maybe Adelscott. You better don't watch next week, someone else might win the top 3 spots and you'll be terribly disappointed! :D If Stephano doesn't win the tournament, he will be flamed. The amount of flak Adelscott got because he couldn't qualify until the last qualifier is enormous. And if he doesn't get to the top 3, he is going to be flamed as well. And I'll be in the frontline if that happens. If you can't be the best for your country, you better have a good excuse especially when you reside 24/7 in a Gaming House. I suppose some are more interested in social interaction as Kennigit mentionned in his blog ... The point of the tournament has nothing to do with individual performance, BlinG and DeMusliM performances were terrible because as a progamer you owed to yourself to do better than those who aren't sponsored. Is it cool to have Zikto and Jonny winning ? Yes it is and I'm satisfied with the outcome of the tournament because it gave spots to people who deserves it. But that wasn't my point. PS : If you really think 2 guys riding favored match-ups right now is going to change your scene, you are daydreaming and I'll need to get back to you in 6 months. UK isn't the best amateur scene in EU, Sweden is, followed by France and Germany. Massive rofl at putting France with Germany. France has a way worse scene than Germany and Ukraine and worse than Poland and Russia too. In fact outside of Stephano you've basically nothing but a Wc3 guy who hasn't done shit in this game and a guy who hasn't done anything of note since he lagged Mvp out of TSL3. You're a one man country with little in the way of up and coming talent. Poland
not totaly agree with otolia but what an amount of rage by you,true that we have a player who is far ahead other, but it's better than having any players like this, if you know what i mean
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Sorry, but France is nowhere near the top of Europe.
1. Sweden, Germany, Ukraine
2. Poland, Russia
3. Finland, France, Spain, UK
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good job demuslim looked sticky there when you got knocked into lower early on but well done coming second!
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Why can't ya'll just be happy?
This is why us Brits can't have nice things T_T
I for one hope Zikto becomes a new UK heavyweight.
Then we'll have Bling,Demuslim and Zikto. One of each race!
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On July 02 2012 03:30 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 03:18 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 02 2012 02:58 Otolia wrote:On July 02 2012 02:31 jnd wrote:On July 02 2012 02:14 Otolia wrote:
Pathetic display from DeMusliM and BlinG. They should be ashamed of being in pro teams.
JonnyREcco and Ziktomini may be good players but they aren't the only good but unknown players in EU (despite what some overly patriotic Brits may think) and while I appreciate a good underdog story like everyone else, only one of them should have been able to qualify - and none if you consider that UK should only have 2 seed maximum. It seems like you completely missed the point of the whole WCS tournament. It is not meant to bring only the best and most known players, it's quite the opposite. Anyway, do you hold the French tournament to the same standards? If yes, then tell ESL to cancel it and simply hand over the money and tickets to Stephano and maybe Adelscott. You better don't watch next week, someone else might win the top 3 spots and you'll be terribly disappointed! :D If Stephano doesn't win the tournament, he will be flamed. The amount of flak Adelscott got because he couldn't qualify until the last qualifier is enormous. And if he doesn't get to the top 3, he is going to be flamed as well. And I'll be in the frontline if that happens. If you can't be the best for your country, you better have a good excuse especially when you reside 24/7 in a Gaming House. I suppose some are more interested in social interaction as Kennigit mentionned in his blog ... The point of the tournament has nothing to do with individual performance, BlinG and DeMusliM performances were terrible because as a progamer you owed to yourself to do better than those who aren't sponsored. Is it cool to have Zikto and Jonny winning ? Yes it is and I'm satisfied with the outcome of the tournament because it gave spots to people who deserves it. But that wasn't my point. PS : If you really think 2 guys riding favored match-ups right now is going to change your scene, you are daydreaming and I'll need to get back to you in 6 months. UK isn't the best amateur scene in EU, Sweden is, followed by France and Germany. Massive rofl at putting France with Germany. France has a way worse scene than Germany and Ukraine and worse than Poland and Russia too. In fact outside of Stephano you've basically nothing but a Wc3 guy who hasn't done shit in this game and a guy who hasn't done anything of note since he lagged Mvp out of TSL3. You're a one man country with little in the way of up and coming talent. Poland not totaly agree with otolia but what an amount of rage by you,true that we have a player who is far ahead other, but it's better than having any players like this, if you know what i mean
If you have 5-10 solid pro's like Germany that's a hell of a lot better than having one world class players and little else.
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I would just like to thank Blizzard for the WCS events they have been great. ESL you are doing a fantastic job on the production. I would have liked to have seen shots from the over flow room with the HD projector though. Great castors of course the crowd was really sweet. RedEeye as an MC was terrific. Wonderful event, just glad to see this in the UK and i hope i attend next years WCS.
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On July 02 2012 03:30 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 03:18 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 02 2012 02:58 Otolia wrote:On July 02 2012 02:31 jnd wrote:On July 02 2012 02:14 Otolia wrote:
Pathetic display from DeMusliM and BlinG. They should be ashamed of being in pro teams.
JonnyREcco and Ziktomini may be good players but they aren't the only good but unknown players in EU (despite what some overly patriotic Brits may think) and while I appreciate a good underdog story like everyone else, only one of them should have been able to qualify - and none if you consider that UK should only have 2 seed maximum. It seems like you completely missed the point of the whole WCS tournament. It is not meant to bring only the best and most known players, it's quite the opposite. Anyway, do you hold the French tournament to the same standards? If yes, then tell ESL to cancel it and simply hand over the money and tickets to Stephano and maybe Adelscott. You better don't watch next week, someone else might win the top 3 spots and you'll be terribly disappointed! :D If Stephano doesn't win the tournament, he will be flamed. The amount of flak Adelscott got because he couldn't qualify until the last qualifier is enormous. And if he doesn't get to the top 3, he is going to be flamed as well. And I'll be in the frontline if that happens. If you can't be the best for your country, you better have a good excuse especially when you reside 24/7 in a Gaming House. I suppose some are more interested in social interaction as Kennigit mentionned in his blog ... The point of the tournament has nothing to do with individual performance, BlinG and DeMusliM performances were terrible because as a progamer you owed to yourself to do better than those who aren't sponsored. Is it cool to have Zikto and Jonny winning ? Yes it is and I'm satisfied with the outcome of the tournament because it gave spots to people who deserves it. But that wasn't my point. PS : If you really think 2 guys riding favored match-ups right now is going to change your scene, you are daydreaming and I'll need to get back to you in 6 months. UK isn't the best amateur scene in EU, Sweden is, followed by France and Germany. Massive rofl at putting France with Germany. France has a way worse scene than Germany and Ukraine and worse than Poland and Russia too. In fact outside of Stephano you've basically nothing but a Wc3 guy who hasn't done shit in this game and a guy who hasn't done anything of note since he lagged Mvp out of TSL3. You're a one man country with little in the way of up and coming talent. Poland not totaly agree with otolia but what an amount of rage by you,true that we have a player who is far ahead other, but it's better than having any players like this, if you know what i mean
its better for you to have one standout player as a show of the depth of an amateur scene? I mean, don't get me wrong I thought that the topic of amateur scenes and their depth is the argument, and in terms of that having one standout player doesn't show much at all.
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On July 02 2012 03:33 Champloo wrote:
Sorry, but France is nowhere near the top of Europe.
1. Sweden, Germany, Ukraine
2. Poland, Russia
3. Finland, France, Spain, UK
I can agree with this. Holland should be grouped with tier 3 as well.
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On July 02 2012 03:33 Champloo wrote:
Sorry, but France is nowhere near the top of Europe.
1. Sweden, Germany, Ukraine
2. Poland, Russia
3. Finland, France, Spain, UK
Germany over Russia ?
If you swap them both, then I would agree with you.
EDIT: And It should be: Sweden/Ukraine/Russia. No way in hell Germany is better than Ukraine.
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On July 02 2012 03:25 Falconblade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 02:58 Otolia wrote:On July 02 2012 02:31 jnd wrote:On July 02 2012 02:14 Otolia wrote:
Pathetic display from DeMusliM and BlinG. They should be ashamed of being in pro teams.
JonnyREcco and Ziktomini may be good players but they aren't the only good but unknown players in EU (despite what some overly patriotic Brits may think) and while I appreciate a good underdog story like everyone else, only one of them should have been able to qualify - and none if you consider that UK should only have 2 seed maximum. It seems like you completely missed the point of the whole WCS tournament. It is not meant to bring only the best and most known players, it's quite the opposite. Anyway, do you hold the French tournament to the same standards? If yes, then tell ESL to cancel it and simply hand over the money and tickets to Stephano and maybe Adelscott. You better don't watch next week, someone else might win the top 3 spots and you'll be terribly disappointed! :D If Stephano doesn't win the tournament, he will be flamed. The amount of flak Adelscott got because he couldn't qualify until the last qualifier is enormous. And if he doesn't get to the top 3, he is going to be flamed as well. And I'll be in the frontline if that happens. If you can't be the best for your country, you better have a good excuse especially when you reside 24/7 in a Gaming House. I suppose some are more interested in social interaction as Kennigit mentionned in his blog ... Shit happens, both Zikto and Demuslim alluded to Zerg being favored against Terran as the reason. Besides, its not as if the US didn't have iNsur, Daisuki and Vibe as top 3 while Sheth, Illusion fell by the wayside (Sheth didn't even make top 16). TLO and Goody (the guy who beat fucking MMA in TvT) made 9-12 for Germany. They're all signed to top teams and didn't make it.
And that's a pathetic display. It's about time some teams make room for newcomers, instead of doing a circlejerk over 2 new players, why don't we make sure those who aren't interested in representing their country actually get blamed for this.
On July 02 2012 03:33 Champloo wrote:
Sorry, but France is nowhere near the top of Europe.
1. Sweden, Germany, Ukraine
2. Poland, Russia
3. Finland, France, Spain, UK
AMATEUR.
A M A T E U R
If you want to argue with me on that, you better do more than a list with context.
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On July 02 2012 03:35 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 03:30 Makro wrote:On July 02 2012 03:18 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 02 2012 02:58 Otolia wrote:On July 02 2012 02:31 jnd wrote:On July 02 2012 02:14 Otolia wrote:
Pathetic display from DeMusliM and BlinG. They should be ashamed of being in pro teams.
JonnyREcco and Ziktomini may be good players but they aren't the only good but unknown players in EU (despite what some overly patriotic Brits may think) and while I appreciate a good underdog story like everyone else, only one of them should have been able to qualify - and none if you consider that UK should only have 2 seed maximum. It seems like you completely missed the point of the whole WCS tournament. It is not meant to bring only the best and most known players, it's quite the opposite. Anyway, do you hold the French tournament to the same standards? If yes, then tell ESL to cancel it and simply hand over the money and tickets to Stephano and maybe Adelscott. You better don't watch next week, someone else might win the top 3 spots and you'll be terribly disappointed! :D If Stephano doesn't win the tournament, he will be flamed. The amount of flak Adelscott got because he couldn't qualify until the last qualifier is enormous. And if he doesn't get to the top 3, he is going to be flamed as well. And I'll be in the frontline if that happens. If you can't be the best for your country, you better have a good excuse especially when you reside 24/7 in a Gaming House. I suppose some are more interested in social interaction as Kennigit mentionned in his blog ... The point of the tournament has nothing to do with individual performance, BlinG and DeMusliM performances were terrible because as a progamer you owed to yourself to do better than those who aren't sponsored. Is it cool to have Zikto and Jonny winning ? Yes it is and I'm satisfied with the outcome of the tournament because it gave spots to people who deserves it. But that wasn't my point. PS : If you really think 2 guys riding favored match-ups right now is going to change your scene, you are daydreaming and I'll need to get back to you in 6 months. UK isn't the best amateur scene in EU, Sweden is, followed by France and Germany. Massive rofl at putting France with Germany. France has a way worse scene than Germany and Ukraine and worse than Poland and Russia too. In fact outside of Stephano you've basically nothing but a Wc3 guy who hasn't done shit in this game and a guy who hasn't done anything of note since he lagged Mvp out of TSL3. You're a one man country with little in the way of up and coming talent. Poland not totaly agree with otolia but what an amount of rage by you,true that we have a player who is far ahead other, but it's better than having any players like this, if you know what i mean If you have 5-10 solid pro's like Germany that's a hell of a lot better than having one world class players and little else.
sure, i totally agree with you, but in ur precedent post it was like u were trashing france scene because there are stephano and the rest, i just want to say that u don't decide the number of solid players that u have, so if we make a check, it's better than to have 0 world class player and 0 solid pro like UK (at least if we are agree about bad performance of demuslim or bling)
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On July 02 2012 02:14 Otolia wrote:
Pathetic display from DeMusliM and BlinG. They should be ashamed of being in pro teams.
Why are people giving DeMusliM such a hard time? He only lost TvZs after all. The only thing I can see him being guilty of is possibly streaming too much in the run-up to the tournament whilst practicing the TvZ build he was going to use heavily at the tournament (Bio + Hellion push into Bio with air upgrades).
When the game balance has been untouched for years (like BW) and surprising results happen then maybe you'll be in a position to question a player's professionalism and label them "pathetic". SC2 is changing all the time and it doesn't always have to be a lack of practise and professionalism that causes a big favorite to lose. I can't actually believe you're talking about how demu and bling should be booted from their teams based on this...
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Why are people arguing over who is the top country in Europe? It seems so asinine; especially when we'll all get trashed by Koreans anyway (with very few exceptions).
What happened to that united foreigner spirit? 
Good to see names other than DeMuslim and Bling see some spotlight, getting the UK to be known for more than two players. Bling put up a really poor show though that'll need to improve.
Also I'm completely unsurprised Naniwa has been running his mouth on Twitter, I don't think anyone should be it's kind of his thing (sadly not confined to Twitter though)
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On July 02 2012 03:39 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 03:33 Champloo wrote:
Sorry, but France is nowhere near the top of Europe.
1. Sweden, Germany, Ukraine
2. Poland, Russia
3. Finland, France, Spain, UK Germany over Russia ? If you swap them both, then I would agree with you. EDIT: And It should be: Sweden/Ukraine/Russia. No way in hell Germany is better than Ukraine.
Lol what? Russia is nowhere near Germany.
Germany
Socke, Hasu Obs, Goody, TLO, Darkforce, DBS, Delphi
Russia
Happy, Titan, Pomi, Slivko, LiveZerg, Aristeo, Bratok.
Socke and HasuObs have more results individually on LAN in major events than the entire Russian team combined and TLO, Darkforce and Goody are all well established pro's well plenty of good finishes in tournaments.
It's a no contest that Germany is better.
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