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He's playing GSL. No Line, Genius or Happy either. Some other players I thought would be there aren't also. A lot of teams only fielding about 5 players, which makes sense for teams like ZENEX and TSL, but not SlayerS or ST.
On June 14 2012 17:13 NoBigDeal wrote: No way to watch any of the matches prior to the RO8?
We will release replays.
VODs? Replays mean less than nothing to me.
Well you could record yourself watching the replay then watch that.
LOL hot_bid never fails to deliver.
Also if you want vods, check out lesser known youtube casters over the next couple of weeks after replays are released, they will probably (or at least should be) covering a lot of these games
so is this 128 spots? Why not open it up to the koreans that no ones ever heard of before, would make just as good of stories as the foreigners no ones ever heard of taking people out =(
this tournament is so stacked... I'm calling a win by.... hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... ill go with jjakji BOOK IT!!!! haha
On June 14 2012 18:11 IndridCold wrote: so is this 128 spots? Why not open it up to the koreans that no ones ever heard of before, would make just as good of stories as the foreigners no ones ever heard of taking people out =(
this tournament is so stacked... I'm calling a win by.... hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... ill go with jjakji BOOK IT!!!! haha
It had more open spots, but less than 128 players checked in.
On June 14 2012 18:34 LXenJin wrote: woah all round Bo3, gonna be nice
Yeah it's a very good idea because it eliminates much from the random win/cheese factor, and we'll be able to see some good games if anyone decides to cast some games.
Looking at this qualifier first round and looking at the european and NA qualifier first round reminds me why I don't pay attention to the foreign scene....
Seeing a good player like TLO lose like that is just like a bitchslap which wakes you up and shows you just how much better the koreans are compared to everyone else.
I think that the signup in this qualifier says a lot about the importance of TL even in Korea. Someone can say "foreign tourney easy money for koreans", but it is not even remotely the best payout among foreign tourneys, yet the amount of big names is overwhelming. This list of names alone just gives so much credibility to TSL4.
On June 14 2012 19:13 .swz. wrote: why didnt hero, jinro, taeja or haypro sign up?
HerO and TaeJa are traveling to Dreamhack. HayprO and Jinro haven't returned from MLG they left a little later, but they likely wouldn't play the KR qualifier anyway.
Hyun has really really hit and miss ZvZ, hoping today is a good day for him, not really confident for ByuL since he is against MKP or Sniper in the RO32
On June 14 2012 20:11 WigglingSquid wrote: Seal > Puzzle. I don't think that Seal's ZvZ is as good as Hyun's, but HoSeo is doing well in this tournament. Huh. Sage over CoCa as well.
On June 14 2012 20:38 Shock710 wrote: how are people finding the match results? from hotbids post i kinda assumed the results wouldnt be shown till the 15, and then through replays
On June 14 2012 20:38 Shock710 wrote: how are people finding the match results? from hotbids post i kinda assumed the results wouldnt be shown till the 15, and then through replays
yeah i just realised how dumb i was >.< right when i finished the post i was like i wonder what the korean thing at the top with TSL4 does.....*facepalm*
On June 14 2012 21:06 torm3ntin wrote: This is looking so much as the NA/EU qualis. The TOP TOP TOP players getting eliminated by Good players, but not as known as the TOP TOP TOP ones.
C'mon NSH_jjakji. Show us the terran pride.
It's even more impressive because there are no BO1's.
On June 14 2012 21:38 MCDayC wrote: Rofl, Hyun won a ZvZ? Was it casted? Anway, lets have Losira boss this please.
He is having a good run. Gone through Polt, Galaxy, Squirtle and Seal Think the Forsen games are more a showing of how bad he is on LAN than anything else
On June 14 2012 21:38 MCDayC wrote: Rofl, Hyun won a ZvZ? Was it casted? Anway, lets have Losira boss this please.
HyuN's stated that ZvZ was the matchup he was most confident in. Yes, a game where he played terribly was broadcasted, but that doesn't matter much... aside for your reputation with people who think they know better.
On June 14 2012 21:33 hifriend wrote: It's funny how the level of competition in this tournament is significantly higher than that of MLG this weekend. >_<
Not really. I mean instead of just inviting big names they all have to qualify considering none of them got seeded. I guess that's why there was so few registering as well. It's really fucking hard.
On June 14 2012 21:45 torm3ntin wrote: Lots of upsets. But at least there is still hope for terrans. Jjaki fighting!!!
On June 14 2012 21:45 LeLfe wrote: Seed - ByuL seems to be lasting for hours... any updates? Seed is the last chance for Protoss now that Min took Inori out...
it's cos mkp was so slow so byul started late. i haven't seen the games for mkp-byul, but their filesizes are quite small so i expect greed punishing etc lol
On June 14 2012 21:58 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Correct, we're keeping the results till the broadcast starts.
What a buzzkill. Maybe I'll wake up early...
But then probably only see Ro8 before I have to go to work anyway =/
Will wait for VODs to appear for games I guess whilst just watching results spill in.
Question though!: are we getting the same sick post-qualifier coverage as last time? Interviews, analysis, stories, etc? Preferably for each qualifier? Or all melded into one big post?
On June 14 2012 21:58 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Correct, we're keeping the results till the broadcast starts.
What a buzzkill. Maybe I'll wake up early...
But then probably only see Ro8 before I have to go to work anyway =/
Will wait for VODs to appear for games I guess whilst just watching results spill in.
Question though!: are we getting the same sick post-qualifier coverage as last time? Interviews, analysis, stories, etc? Preferably for each qualifier? Or all melded into one big post?
They've always done that man. There will be a write-up with interviews.
A qualifier like this reminds me of Courage where there are no real easy rounds. It's great that there were no best of one stages this time around, but I bet more and more will turn up as we go into the deeper stages as players try to earn more points to make it.
Oh, Curious in R5. Feels like it's been forever since I saw him play. I haven't really watched GSTL for like the last 2 seasons either. Is he playing alot for StarTale and how is his game now days?
On June 14 2012 22:07 Gosi wrote: Oh, Curious in R5. Feels like it's been forever since I saw him play. I haven't really watched GSTL for like the last 2 seasons either. Is he playing alot for StarTale and how is his game now days?
On June 14 2012 22:19 pred470r wrote: 6 zergs, 1 protoss and 1 terran. Anybody want to bet that a Zerg is not going to win?
Hmm, I don't think so actually. It doesn't feel like Heart or Seed are the ones pulling that one off while Zerg is so strong right now and we still have Life and LosirA which are one fire right now and Hyun pulling a good run. But let's see! I still think Life or LosirA will win. Hoping for LosirA!
ROFL! Although I like MKP and his play - it feels good that someone punished his greedy play (no wall, no scout) in that manner for once. Haha fucking ByuL man...
ROFL! Although I like MKP and his play - it feels good that someone punished his greedy play (no wall, no scout) in that manner for once. Haha fucking ByuL man...
Ugh Jjakji's game 3 loss against Annyung was just depressing =(
Had the game well in hand after holding off a huge ling/bane/muta attack, then overextended slightly with a few tanks taking the centre which slowed him down, and was slightly slow to prep for broodlords and was never able to fight the army again =(
On June 14 2012 23:06 Noam wrote: Can anyone recommend some games? So far I've watched MKP vs ByuL and it was lol.. and MKP vs Creator and it wasn't too entertaining.
Wow, I got some sick nerd chills from watching that TSL3 recap, TSL4 hype video. Can't wait for the scene to look a little clearer after all the qualifiers.
ROFL! Although I like MKP and his play - it feels good that someone punished his greedy play (no wall, no scout) in that manner for once. Haha fucking ByuL man...
I think it will come down to Losira, Life, Curious and Seed. If Seed beats Hyun he should be the favorite against Losira/Life and against Heart/Curious. Curious is on fire in ZvT, don't see him losing to Heart. Life has the best ZvZ out of the 8, and if Hyun beats Seed then Life should coast to the final (Losira is no pushover though).
According to Liquipedia Terran started out with the most players of any race, protoss and zerg almost even. Now the top 8 are 6 zergs, 1 terran, 1 toss. Interesting to see.
Also the terrans and protoss were no walkover, with MarineKing, Jjakji, MMA and many more for the terran side and Puzzle, Oz, Creator etc for toss.
On June 15 2012 00:28 OutOfMyMind_pro wrote: I hope zerg players keep winning so Blizzard can finally revert the changes from the last patch
I think they'll keep the change but change something different. Safety for the Zerg isn't the problem. The capeability of Droning up so fast behind it is. Genius said something i've been suggesting for ages nerf larva inject since it would also basically kill some of the stupid cheeses that outright kill the only openings that can compete with Zergs as well as making saturation for Zerg slower.
On June 15 2012 00:04 CosmicSpiral wrote: I think it will come down to Losira, Life, Curious and Seed. If Seed beats Hyun he should be the favorite against Losira/Life and against Heart/Curious. Curious is on fire in ZvT, don't see him losing to Heart. Life has the best ZvZ out of the 8, and if Hyun beats Seed then Life should coast to the final (Losira is no pushover though).
Every zerg is on fire ZvT nowadays. Some serious flame.
On June 15 2012 00:04 CosmicSpiral wrote: I think it will come down to Losira, Life, Curious and Seed. If Seed beats Hyun he should be the favorite against Losira/Life and against Heart/Curious. Curious is on fire in ZvT, don't see him losing to Heart. Life has the best ZvZ out of the 8, and if Hyun beats Seed then Life should coast to the final (Losira is no pushover though).
Every zerg is on fire ZvT nowadays. Some serious flame.
Curious was winning ZvT way before the queen buff.
On June 15 2012 00:04 CosmicSpiral wrote: I think it will come down to Losira, Life, Curious and Seed. If Seed beats Hyun he should be the favorite against Losira/Life and against Heart/Curious. Curious is on fire in ZvT, don't see him losing to Heart. Life has the best ZvZ out of the 8, and if Hyun beats Seed then Life should coast to the final (Losira is no pushover though).
Every zerg is on fire ZvT nowadays. Some serious flame.
Curious was winning ZvT way before the queen buff.
Even better in that case. Heart is a wrecked SCV train.
On June 15 2012 00:23 PradamadeR wrote: well thats how the brackets look like in korea after the range buff TT
Again I ask, how many zergs do you think will advance to code S Ro16? Only one so far. With 4 toss and 3 terran players already advancing in the first half of the Ro32.
On June 15 2012 00:23 PradamadeR wrote: well thats how the brackets look like in korea after the range buff TT
Again I ask, how many zergs do you think will advance to code S Ro16? Only one so far. With 4 toss and 3 terran players already advancing in the first half of the Ro32.
That is apples an oranges.
Code S is hours of preparation for known opponents on known maps at certain times. Creativity, spontaneity, nerves all come into play.
This is basically who can have the longest streak while laddering.
On June 15 2012 00:23 PradamadeR wrote: well thats how the brackets look like in korea after the range buff TT
Again I ask, how many zergs do you think will advance to code S Ro16? Only one so far. With 4 toss and 3 terran players already advancing in the first half of the Ro32.
GSL is more about managing nerves than anything though and who makes less mistakes because of it. In online/traning situations thinks normally look very different. Curious threw his games away and Line didn't deserve to be Code S in the first place .
On June 15 2012 00:28 OutOfMyMind_pro wrote: I hope zerg players keep winning so Blizzard can finally revert the changes from the last patch
I think they'll keep the change but change something different. Safety for the Zerg isn't the problem. The capeability of Droning up so fast behind it is. Genius said something i've been suggesting for ages nerf larva inject since it would also basically kill some of the stupid cheeses that outright kill the only openings that can compete with Zergs as well as making saturation for Zerg slower.
Zerg's so dependant on larva injects that any nerf to it would require significant buffs to Z's tier 1-2 units. Just thinking of game design, that made be all to the good, but it would mean bigger changes to how Zerg works than Blizzard is comfortable making I think.
I'd say going 4-2 in a group consisting of Ryung, Polt, Vines, and Jjakji (winning both tie breakers against Ryung and Polt) showed that Line deserved to be in code S personally. Did he play like it this morning? No way. That was horrible. But he definitely earned his spot.
EDIT: Also, are you expecting all 6 of the second half to make it through then? Do you expect a zerg majority in the Ro16? Cause I can't see any more than 4 making it through to be honest.
On June 15 2012 00:23 PradamadeR wrote: well thats how the brackets look like in korea after the range buff TT
Again I ask, how many zergs do you think will advance to code S Ro16? Only one so far. With 4 toss and 3 terran players already advancing in the first half of the Ro32.
There were 3 zergs out of 16 players who have played their matches so far. It's not exactly surprising that only 1 zerg has advanced, especially considering one of them could make a compelling argument for being the worst Code S player in the recent several months.
On June 15 2012 01:12 Megiddosc wrote: I'd say going 4-2 in a group consisting of Ryung, Polt, Vines, and Jjakji (winning both tie breakers against Ryung and Polt) showed that Line deserved to be in code S personally. Did he play like it this morning? No way. That was horrible. But he definitely earned his spot.
Did you watches those games ? It was basically by all-inning everytime . Once opponents had enough time to figure him out it was glass clear he was going to be last in his group.
On June 15 2012 01:12 Megiddosc wrote: I'd say going 4-2 in a group consisting of Ryung, Polt, Vines, and Jjakji (winning both tie breakers against Ryung and Polt) showed that Line deserved to be in code S personally. Did he play like it this morning? No way. That was horrible. But he definitely earned his spot.
Did you watches those games ? It was basically by all-inning everytime . Once opponents had enough time to figure him out it was glass clear he was going to be last in his group.
If it was all-inning every single game then why is it that two outstanding players could not hold an all-in that they knew was coming? I'd say that shows much more weakness in Polt and Vines' play personally.
EDIT: I derped, Second tie-breaker was with Vines, not Ryung. Ryung finished the group on top.
Cool, I'm glad TL is giving Zanderfever some love and letting him cast this, he did an outstanding job with the NA qualifiers yesterday with overwhelmingly positive response in the thread. I hope to see more from him in the future.
On June 15 2012 01:12 Megiddosc wrote: I'd say going 4-2 in a group consisting of Ryung, Polt, Vines, and Jjakji (winning both tie breakers against Ryung and Polt) showed that Line deserved to be in code S personally. Did he play like it this morning? No way. That was horrible. But he definitely earned his spot.
Did you watches those games ? It was basically by all-inning everytime . Once opponents had enough time to figure him out it was glass clear he was going to be last in his group.
If it was all-inning every single game then why is it that two outstanding players could not hold an all-in that they knew was coming? I'd say that shows much more weakness in Polt and Vines' play personally.
EDIT: I derped, Second tie-breaker was with Vines, not Ryung. Ryung finished the group on top.
Polt was done after that 1:30 hour loss against Ryung after he just arrived from the airport. Vines much like Line is far from Code S caliber.
On June 15 2012 01:50 TumNarDok wrote: Funny I did not see this mentioned. But the KEspA crew is completely absent ?
Not sure how much you know about KeSPA players, but they will only play in tournaments that KeSPA aproves. They are not able to participate in whatever tournament they want, even if it's online, as far as I know.
On June 15 2012 01:12 Megiddosc wrote: I'd say going 4-2 in a group consisting of Ryung, Polt, Vines, and Jjakji (winning both tie breakers against Ryung and Polt) showed that Line deserved to be in code S personally. Did he play like it this morning? No way. That was horrible. But he definitely earned his spot.
Did you watches those games ? It was basically by all-inning everytime . Once opponents had enough time to figure him out it was glass clear he was going to be last in his group.
If it was all-inning every single game then why is it that two outstanding players could not hold an all-in that they knew was coming? I'd say that shows much more weakness in Polt and Vines' play personally.
EDIT: I derped, Second tie-breaker was with Vines, not Ryung. Ryung finished the group on top.
Polt was done after that 1:30 hour loss against Ryung after he just arrived from the airport. Vines much like Line is far from Code S caliber.
If a player is in Code S then they are Code S caliber. End of story. Code S calibur by definition means someone who has gotten into Code S.
If you want to further categorise players within Code S then go ahead, however you cannot call a Code S player not Code S quality (or caliber) because that is contradictory.
On June 15 2012 01:59 Tsubbi wrote: top 8 of any korena online tournament have usually been between 5 to 7 terrans for almost 2 years, its about time things change
lets see how this season of code s plays out for example and give terrans time to adjust their builds from 1 rax cc hellions into something else
There's not much to adjust to though. If you allow the Zerg to freely expand and Drone up it doesn't matter what you do later you will lose. With enough resources and larva Zerg will adjust to anything you do in one production circle.
On June 15 2012 02:54 Tachion wrote: Did Min do something wrong? I thought this was a build order win for him?
It's pretty interesting but people are getting better at surviving through alternative methods such as countering or going to the natural. It's probably not a real counter and still depends on outplaying your opponent, but it's been happening in a good amount of games.
On June 15 2012 00:28 OutOfMyMind_pro wrote: I hope zerg players keep winning so Blizzard can finally revert the changes from the last patch
It'll have to be an unscheduled patch because Bliz has already said that the last patch will be the last until HOTS comes out. Zerg dominance is here to stay.
What's the logic behind making all rounds of the KR qualifiers Bo3? (I didn't see this addressed earlier in the thread, I apologize if it was). Is it because less than 128 signups are expected on a regular basis? To account for player calibur?
On June 15 2012 04:07 imMUTAble787 wrote: does heart ever play straight up?
not being mean i've just honestly never seen him do it in the few tournaments ive seen him in
I'm pretty sure he does occasionally. He reminds me a lot of a terran hwangsin, where everyone knows him for his cheeses and all ins, yet he has the capacity to play really good macro games.
On June 15 2012 04:09 sixfour wrote: So this looked to be close to finishing when I checked at work 8 hours ago, semis get cast in 90 minutes, weaksauce
Any Kespa players shown up?
They're casting the replays delayed. So people can actually watch them if they are at work/school during the day
On June 15 2012 04:09 sixfour wrote: So this looked to be close to finishing when I checked at work 8 hours ago, semis get cast in 90 minutes, weaksauce
Any Kespa players shown up?
They're casting the replays delayed. So people can actually watch them if they are at work/school during the day
I was at work today and want to know who won hours ago...
On June 15 2012 04:18 zezamer wrote: Giving opponent a chance by using mutas, I like this guy
Muta is arguably more standard than infestor in ZvT these days, atl east for Korean Zergs, imo.
You get your name from Oz ? o_0
Every game that I saw at Anaheim where zerg went muta/ling in ZvT they ended up smashing. disclaimer for nitpickers : i didnt watch every single zvt played @ Anaheim
On June 15 2012 04:49 Tayar wrote: metagaming the sixpool i think, odd game. edit: or he has a build that he thinks works i guess, doing it again on an easy ffe map
Seed always gateway expands vs zerg. Always. He doesnt like FFE. It makes him kind of a weird player to play against as a zerg, as he's basically the only one who does that.
On June 15 2012 04:49 Tayar wrote: metagaming the sixpool i think, odd game. edit: or he has a build that he thinks works i guess, doing it again on an easy ffe map
Seed always gateway expands vs zerg. Always. He doesnt like FFE. It makes him kind of a weird player to play against as a zerg, as he's basically the only one who does that.
"Always" might be a strong word, since he opened FFE twice in his RO16 match.
On June 15 2012 04:49 Tayar wrote: metagaming the sixpool i think, odd game. edit: or he has a build that he thinks works i guess, doing it again on an easy ffe map
Seed always gateway expands vs zerg. Always. He doesnt like FFE. It makes him kind of a weird player to play against as a zerg, as he's basically the only one who does that.
Bischu was doing it yesterday extremely often, maybe even always.
On June 15 2012 04:49 Tayar wrote: metagaming the sixpool i think, odd game. edit: or he has a build that he thinks works i guess, doing it again on an easy ffe map
Seed always gateway expands vs zerg. Always. He doesnt like FFE. It makes him kind of a weird player to play against as a zerg, as he's basically the only one who does that.
Bischu was doing it yesterday extremely often, maybe even always.
Well to be fairly blunt here Bischu isn't really on the same level as Seed :p
On June 15 2012 05:50 Asha` wrote: Typical Curious
Bomb out of Code S, cruise through to the finals of a super stacked non GSL tournament a day or two later.
seriously, whats wrong with this guy and code s
No idea, it makes me sad because he's obviously capable of at least a decent run in it but he never seems to get his shit together outside code a or the up and downs lol ><
On June 15 2012 06:10 arQ wrote: Interesting brackets here. Wonder if we are seeing effects of zerg buffs now or just randomly zergs doing good today. Interesting, as said.
On June 15 2012 06:11 Toadvine wrote: I did not understand that game, at all.
Life had low econ all game. Even with his drops, he had less drones than Seed's probes.
I'm only glancing at the stream every few minutes, and I'm just really confused. Why is Seed Gateway expanding on maps where FFE is viable? I feel like we're back in early 2011.
On June 15 2012 06:10 arQ wrote: Interesting brackets here. Wonder if we are seeing effects of zerg buffs now or just randomly zergs doing good today. Interesting, as said.
today? you mean since the buff?
Not sure if ur trolling me, but no I mean if the zergs in this bracket is just randomly having a good day or if this is a reoccurring theme in KR lately.
On June 15 2012 06:10 arQ wrote: Interesting brackets here. Wonder if we are seeing effects of zerg buffs now or just randomly zergs doing good today. Interesting, as said.
today? you mean since the buff?
Not sure if ur trolling me, but no I mean if the zergs in this bracket is just randomly having a good day or if this is a reoccurring theme in KR lately.
It is not random, the GSTL so far has been a zergfest as well. Mainly due to the last patch I think.
On June 15 2012 06:22 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I think Seed is going to qualify :D
4-0 against Curious recently, but then again, this isn't code S so perhaps Curious has a power up
Curious didn't exactly play the greatest of opponents.
JKS, Run, Macsed, KDY, Heart, and Annyung aren't exactly top notch players. Only Protoss Curious beat was Macsed I believe, while Seed has been destroying Zergs.
Sheth and CatZ are really praising Seed for his play, and I must admit its looking really crisp, smart and well thought out, perhaps we need to keep a closer eye on him. Perhaps he has been overshadowed by the more flashy protosses like PartinG and Squirtle, which had some much more distinguishable styles.
On June 15 2012 06:46 Destructicon wrote: Sheth and CatZ are really praising Seed for his play, and I must admit its looking really crisp, smart and well thought out, perhaps we need to keep a closer eye on him. Perhaps he has been overshadowed by the more flashy protosses like PartinG and Squirtle, which had some much more distinguishable styles.
I feel like Seed has always been more flashy playstyle wise than both of them, maybe parting is close but much flashier than Squirtle
On June 15 2012 06:46 Destructicon wrote: Sheth and CatZ are really praising Seed for his play, and I must admit its looking really crisp, smart and well thought out, perhaps we need to keep a closer eye on him. Perhaps he has been overshadowed by the more flashy protosses like PartinG and Squirtle, which had some much more distinguishable styles.
I feel like Seed has always been more flashy playstyle wise than both of them, maybe parting is close but much flashier than Squirtle
On June 15 2012 06:46 Destructicon wrote: Sheth and CatZ are really praising Seed for his play, and I must admit its looking really crisp, smart and well thought out, perhaps we need to keep a closer eye on him. Perhaps he has been overshadowed by the more flashy protosses like PartinG and Squirtle, which had some much more distinguishable styles.
I feel like Seed has always been more flashy playstyle wise than both of them, maybe parting is close but much flashier than Squirtle
You should watch Squirtles late game PvZ =p
flashy as fcuk
I forgot about Squirtles PvZ....ok maybe not more flashy but just as flashy :p
Oh boy, the boring part of the game now, neither player truly willing to commit so now they turtle up and either slow push across the map or do recall attacks when energy is available.
On June 15 2012 06:59 Destructicon wrote: Oh boy, the boring part of the game now, neither player truly willing to commit so now they turtle up and either slow push across the map or do recall attacks when energy is available.
It's not Seed's fault that the zerg is playing spine defense.
Zerg lategame against Toss is so stupid i'm gonna hide behind my wall of buildings on my part of the Map and wait for you to attack an unengageable position.
On June 15 2012 07:00 s3rp wrote: Zerg lategame against Toss is so stupid i'm gonna hide behind my wall of buildings on my part of the Map and wait for you to attack an unengageable position.
When you have like 5k more minerals than gas, you kinda have to build a million spines
On June 15 2012 06:59 Destructicon wrote: Oh boy, the boring part of the game now, neither player truly willing to commit so now they turtle up and either slow push across the map or do recall attacks when energy is available.
It's not Seed's fault that the zerg is playing spine defense.
I'm not blaming either player, I'm blaming design right now. Its kind of cute that both players are trying things like infestor drops, DT warp prisms, but I like action across the map constantly.
On June 15 2012 07:00 Foogazi wrote: Am i looking at this right? no terrans in ro16?
I think you are not, Ro16 had two terrans in heart and Jjakji. Ro8 consisted of 6 zerg, 1 toss and 1 terran(Heart) and since the Ro4 all terran players are gone.
On June 15 2012 07:00 s3rp wrote: Zerg lategame against Toss is so stupid i'm gonna hide behind my wall of buildings on my part of the Map and wait for you to attack an unengageable position.
When you have like 5k more minerals than gas, you kinda have to build a million spines
Do you have to build 30 Broods/Infestors and just sit there forever ?
Well, at least Seed did us all a favor and showed us, yet again that Carriers in their current state, are worthless. Unless your opponent does some kind of huge blunder and lets you get up to like 16 and not upgrade his armor.
What i hate the most is how freaking strong IT are comparted to similar summons. Auto-Turrets for example are pure garbage in comparision hell they lose pretty hard on even Energy against IT's. For whatever reason they last years but that doesn't matter how bad they are.
On June 15 2012 07:09 Tayar wrote: stream was laggy so i'm not sure, but i don't think seed managed to get a vortex off. Also had supply tied up in building carriers. qq
Im so spoiled with Destinys 60fps something stream, after that everything looks bad :D
Well, the problem is that ITs gain benefits from range and armor upgrades, ATs don't + the specialist that summons ATs the Raven, is way more expensive and gimmicky for its cost compared to the other specialists.
Anyway, if Seed would have kept that MS alive he might have been able to win it, but the Corrupters with full spectrum of upgrades are incredibly durable.
On June 15 2012 07:13 Destructicon wrote: Well, the problem is that ITs gain benefits from range and armor upgrades, ATs don't + the specialist that summons ATs the Raven, is way more expensive and gimmicky for its cost compared to the other specialists.
Anyway, if Seed would have kept that MS alive he might have been able to win it, but the Corrupters with full spectrum of upgrades are incredibly durable.
Even without any upgrades they win pretty hard it just gets worse with upgrades.
Damn, and when I thought I had seen everything, now comes Seed with one more wrench to trow into the machinery. In all honestly that shouldn't have worked but, Curious had his spines and army out way too late.
On June 15 2012 07:25 Destructicon wrote: Damn, and when I thought I had seen everything, now comes Seed with one more wrench to trow into the machinery. In all honestly that shouldn't have worked but, Curious had his spines and army out way too late.
Plus it didn't help that he lost half his army as Seed was moving out.
That timing is a cute answer to zergs going 4th -> broodlord/infestor in response to a quick protoss third. Doubt curious has seen that build before, he didn't really adjust his build at all for it. Wonder if that build is solid or just a gimmick to mix in.
On June 15 2012 07:27 darkness wrote: Can anyone please summarise what Seed did? I only caught the last minute of the game, and it seems Seed maxed really fast. Thanks.
Seed did a 1 gate expand into a 4 gate +1 weapons light pressure that killed 1 queen, then he went into a 2nd expansion, got +3, powered on gateways, got blink and hit a strong maxed out +3 timing push that hit before Curious had his Greater Spire or even basic defenses.
On June 15 2012 07:27 darkness wrote: Can anyone please summarise what Seed did? I only caught the last minute of the game, and it seems Seed maxed really fast. Thanks.
He stopped on 70 probes off 3 base and just kept massing blink stalkers until he maxed at 14 minutes, then he moved out and hit a +3 timing that kinda just destroyed Curious.
On June 15 2012 07:27 Warpish wrote: Well, Thorzain is already seeded for TSL4. However, in this day and age of SC2 he may very well be the only Terran to compete.
On June 15 2012 07:27 Warpish wrote: Well, Thorzain is already seeded for TSL4. However, in this day and age of SC2 he may very well be the only Terran to compete.
On June 15 2012 07:27 Warpish wrote: Well, Thorzain is already seeded for TSL4. However, in this day and age of SC2 he may very well be the only Terran to compete.
On June 15 2012 07:27 darkness wrote: Can anyone please summarise what Seed did? I only caught the last minute of the game, and it seems Seed maxed really fast. Thanks.
Seed ffe into 7:40 3rd, curious responded with quick 4th + working his way to broodlord tech. Seed went up to 12 (i think) gates and hit at 14:20ish with max stalkers +3 (and a couple of sentrys) and stomped all over curious.
On June 15 2012 07:27 darkness wrote: Can anyone please summarise what Seed did? I only caught the last minute of the game, and it seems Seed maxed really fast. Thanks.
Got a pretty quick 3rd, didn't tech at all other than getting blink, then maxed out with about 50+ stalkers and 4 sentries. ~14 minutes.
Damn, Seed must have been on fire today, I'm sure he managed to beat everyone just by awesome snap decisions like these. Curious's decision to take a 3rd in the middle is going to come back to haunt him.
Still, why TL casts ALWAYS lag??? From TL attack to TSL 3, and now TSL4-Q. Really, i would love some qualified explanation. I'm not mad or anything, i just want to know whats the issue.
hallucination coming up, so it's not the same 7gate as the previous 2 games on this map. Probly switched it up cause curious hasn't taken a third. edit: ok...this is like a crappy, later version of the 7gate from the last 2 games. i'm confused, maybe it will still work?
On June 15 2012 07:52 Belha wrote: Sick game!! Amazing cast!!
Still, why TL casts ALWAYS lag??? From TL attack to TSL 3, and now TSL4-Q. Really, i would love some qualified explanation. I'm not mad or anything, i just want to know whats the issue.
The first two stream errors were because our hard drives recording VODs crashed, and the next few were the streaming servers.
Sorry for the problems, it's very frustrating for us because we can't prepare for problems like this, it just happens and we have to restart the stream best we can.
I think i'm going to go ahead and block game 5 from my memory and just pretend seed played super impressively throughout this run. WP by curious, would love to see these guys play a best of 9 showmatch or something.
On June 15 2012 08:03 Tayar wrote: I think i'm going to go ahead and block game 5 from my memory and just pretend seed played super impressively throughout this run. WP by curious, would love to see these guys play a best of 9 showmatch or something.
His FF's were still pretty excellent throughout. Love just the patient, precise FF use.
But here's the thing, we have six qualifier spots on points, and will have at most five second place finishers, so Seed has an extremely high chance of getting in on points anyway. Really enjoyed his play today. =D
On June 15 2012 08:03 Tayar wrote: I think i'm going to go ahead and block game 5 from my memory and just pretend seed played super impressively throughout this run. WP by curious, would love to see these guys play a best of 9 showmatch or something.
His FF's were still pretty excellent throughout. Love just the patient, precise FF use.
But here's the thing, we have six qualifier spots on points, and will have at most five second place finishers, so Seed has an extremely high chance of getting in on points anyway. Really enjoyed his play today. =D
Glad to hear he still has a good shot to qualify, he's fun to watch.
On June 15 2012 08:04 hewley wrote: I am disappointed that Curious made it out of this stacked bracket. =/ One of the few Korean progamers I have really no real opinion of.
After destroying HerO in the GSL and winning this stacked korean qualifier, I must now revise my opinion of ST.Curious from 'Code S bottom-dweller' to something of near FLASHlike-status.
On June 15 2012 08:44 polyphonyEX wrote: After destroying HerO in the GSL and winning this stacked korean qualifier, I must now revise my opinion of ST.Curious from 'Code S bottom-dweller' to something of near FLASHlike-status.
Stone cold zerg fighting!.
You should check out the results of the October Code A. Curious won the whole thing without dropping a single map. Now that was dominance.
On June 15 2012 08:04 hewley wrote: I am disappointed that Curious made it out of this stacked bracket. =/ One of the few Korean progamers I have really no real opinion of.
Looks like it's time to get an opinion of him.
Grats Curious!
It's just so hard to support someone with such a lack of personality :x
On June 15 2012 08:44 polyphonyEX wrote: After destroying HerO in the GSL and winning this stacked korean qualifier, I must now revise my opinion of ST.Curious from 'Code S bottom-dweller' to something of near FLASHlike-status.
Stone cold zerg fighting!.
You should check out the results of the October Code A. Curious won the whole thing without dropping a single map. Now that was dominance.
Code A bonjwa, Code S noob.
It's called the YuGiOh effect, it is a very Curious condition.
On June 15 2012 08:44 polyphonyEX wrote: After destroying HerO in the GSL and winning this stacked korean qualifier, I must now revise my opinion of ST.Curious from 'Code S bottom-dweller' to something of near FLASHlike-status.
On June 15 2012 08:44 polyphonyEX wrote: After destroying HerO in the GSL and winning this stacked korean qualifier, I must now revise my opinion of ST.Curious from 'Code S bottom-dweller' to something of near FLASHlike-status.
Stone cold zerg fighting!.
Wow, based on one qualifier for TSL4? o_O
I wasn't aware that failing to advance from your Code S group was so impressive.
I think the Tempest will fit a great role in one of Seed vs Curious games. Basically, Curious was hiding behind huge static def, so I think a handful of tempests could have forced him to get out. Thoughts?
Edit: I can't remember which game #, but it was with mass infestors/broodlords
On June 15 2012 14:19 darkness wrote: I think the Tempest will fit a great role in one of Seed vs Curious games. Basically, Curious was hiding behind huge static def, so I think a handful of tempests could have forced him to get out. Thoughts?
Edit: I can't remember which game #, but it was with mass infestors/broodlords
Whats up with the Terrans? Looks like the Nerf-Bat was way to hard. TvZ is nearly impossible right now and TvP was always hard. If there are no enough terrans in TSL4 it will be a ZvZ and ZvP Fest no one wants to watch!
On June 15 2012 19:45 Brow23 wrote: Whats up with the Terrans? Looks like the Nerf-Bat was way to hard. TvZ is nearly impossible right now and TvP was always hard. If there are no enough terrans in TSL4 it will be a ZvZ and ZvP Fest no one wants to watch!
Well you still have GSL where the terrans still has been mainly advancing.
However,next week is where the best zergs in Code S is playing so we will see how it will play out.
Can someone please explain the thought behind Seed's build on Cloud Kingdom vs zergs? It did for sure caught some zergs offguard, but dunno if this is the only purpose.
On June 15 2012 19:45 Brow23 wrote: Whats up with the Terrans? Looks like the Nerf-Bat was way to hard. TvZ is nearly impossible right now and TvP was always hard. If there are no enough terrans in TSL4 it will be a ZvZ and ZvP Fest no one wants to watch!
TvP has actually been T favored for forever, the win % are in Terran favour still, despite all the complaining.
And TvZ has just had a nerf, its far too early to say the MU is in anyones favour, got to wait for the new strategies to develop
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