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On June 06 2012 19:39 Heavenlee wrote:
Semi-related question...do terrans just...not like ghosts anymore? I really can't remember the last time I watched a templar v ghost war, or a decent amount of EMPs actually landing on a protoss army. If a terran even does make ghosts, it seems they just suicide all of them. It's like after the nerf terrans just now consider EMP completely useless whereas before it would sometimes to completely one-sided engagemets.
I also never see scans to kill obs with vikings. No obs + cloaked ghosts = dead deathball
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On June 06 2012 19:38 Orbifold wrote:
The burden of play is so heavily on Terran in the matchup, it's insane...
Sure... you can look at a battle and say... if the vikings were here, if the ghosts were here... but it doesn't really matter so much where the templar are, where the colossus are. It's incumbent on the Terran to have perfect positioning to avoid losing all their DPS, and there's no %chance for Terran to make major subtractions from Protoss DPS.
I don't care about balance so much, but it's just not fun to watch.
I agree, the amount of effort needed just to position your vikings to flank, stutter step, halt your Medivac just to heal and positioning ghosts to avoid splash and emp is insanely hard 
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On June 06 2012 19:39 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 19:35 bittman wrote:On June 06 2012 19:31 SeeKeR wrote:On June 06 2012 19:29 Koshi wrote:
Nobody will stop IM.
Losira Nestea
MVP Happy
MC YongHwa
Kill em all! TSL_Symbol says hi Didn't watch the games, but I'd like to blame IM coach again. Symbol's weakest MU = ZvP. Protoss players used by IM: 0. Protoss players available: Seed (Code S), First (Code A), Yongwha (The next protoss Yongjwa) Not saying Symbol isn't kicking ass, because that would be a silly thing to say. But really if you're not going to prepare a proper snipe then I don't know what you're doing IM coach. I don't think Symbol ZvP is weak. He beat Oz pretty convincely in the GSTL and smash Seed in Code A 2-0 and also beat MC 2-0 at Spring Arena 2. It is just his least played match-up. Yoda was probably sent to sniped to Symbol but he roach/banebusted. Symbol was just on fire.
there is a reason protoss players no longer want to play zergs..
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Symbol can be the last boss in the Big Finals. We will trow MC, MVP and Nestea again towards his ass.
We will get some practice against DRG soon.  .
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On June 06 2012 19:39 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 19:39 Heavenlee wrote:
Semi-related question...do terrans just...not like ghosts anymore? I really can't remember the last time I watched a templar v ghost war, or a decent amount of EMPs actually landing on a protoss army. If a terran even does make ghosts, it seems they just suicide all of them. It's like after the nerf terrans just now consider EMP completely useless whereas before it would sometimes to completely one-sided engagemets. There were ghost in the last match. -_- what were you watching? Proleague? LOLOLOL, just kidding.
See: If a terran even does make ghosts, it seems they just suicide all of them.
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On June 06 2012 19:39 Heavenlee wrote:
Semi-related question...do terrans just...not like ghosts anymore? I really can't remember the last time I watched a templar v ghost war, or a decent amount of EMPs actually landing on a protoss army. If a terran even does make ghosts, it seems they just suicide all of them. It's like after the nerf terrans just now consider EMP completely useless whereas before it would sometimes to completely one-sided engagemets.
It's to small radius after the nerf and if theres HTs they are usually in the back of the army.
So when the Terran sends out his cloaked Ghosts to pick off them they get picked off because the Protoss have a Observer* inside their army.
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On June 06 2012 19:40 Heavenlee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 19:39 ImNightmare wrote:On June 06 2012 19:39 Heavenlee wrote:
Semi-related question...do terrans just...not like ghosts anymore? I really can't remember the last time I watched a templar v ghost war, or a decent amount of EMPs actually landing on a protoss army. If a terran even does make ghosts, it seems they just suicide all of them. It's like after the nerf terrans just now consider EMP completely useless whereas before it would sometimes to completely one-sided engagemets. There were ghost in the last match. -_- what were you watching? Proleague? LOLOLOL, just kidding. See: If a terran even does make ghosts, it seems they just suicide all of them.
Of course they die, they are like infestors, they have to be in front. Infestor's die to deathaballs too btw when trying to fungal
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On June 06 2012 19:40 Haydin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 19:39 Heavenlee wrote:
Semi-related question...do terrans just...not like ghosts anymore? I really can't remember the last time I watched a templar v ghost war, or a decent amount of EMPs actually landing on a protoss army. If a terran even does make ghosts, it seems they just suicide all of them. It's like after the nerf terrans just now consider EMP completely useless whereas before it would sometimes to completely one-sided engagemets. I also never see scans to kill obs with vikings. No obs + cloaked ghosts = dead deathball
Didn't know that Vikings have a range of 7 so they can pick off the Observer before getting killed by Stalkers.
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On June 06 2012 19:35 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 19:31 SeeKeR wrote:On June 06 2012 19:29 Koshi wrote:
Nobody will stop IM.
Losira Nestea
MVP Happy
MC YongHwa
Kill em all! TSL_Symbol says hi Didn't watch the games, but I'd like to blame IM coach again. Symbol's weakest MU = ZvP. Protoss players used by IM: 0. Protoss players available: Seed (Code S), First (Code A), Yongwha (The next protoss Yongjwa) Not saying Symbol isn't kicking ass, because that would be a silly thing to say. But really if you're not going to prepare a proper snipe then I don't know what you're doing IM coach.
Bit unfair, Symbol's ZvP really isn't that bad, he's taken out Seed and Oz over the last couple of days, as well as MC, Alicia and Socke at MLG Spring Arena.
He's really good at vP. His strongest MU is ZvZ, and vP is probably his weakest, if you can even call it that when he dominates P left and right.
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On June 06 2012 19:39 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 19:35 bittman wrote:On June 06 2012 19:31 SeeKeR wrote:On June 06 2012 19:29 Koshi wrote:
Nobody will stop IM.
Losira Nestea
MVP Happy
MC YongHwa
Kill em all! TSL_Symbol says hi Didn't watch the games, but I'd like to blame IM coach again. Symbol's weakest MU = ZvP. Protoss players used by IM: 0. Protoss players available: Seed (Code S), First (Code A), Yongwha (The next protoss Yongjwa) Not saying Symbol isn't kicking ass, because that would be a silly thing to say. But really if you're not going to prepare a proper snipe then I don't know what you're doing IM coach. We're not sure how good Seed and Yonghwa's PvZ are. Seed is on and off. Sometimes he's good sometimes he's terrible + he's lost to Symbol before I think. First and Ready were not available. They both aren't on the bench. (for some odd reason) Happy has a proven TvZ records (well prior to recent nerfs) and for all we know YoDa was trained as a TvZ sniper. It's easy to be a couch coach. But what do we really know?
We know that Symbol considers ZvP his worst MU and ZvT his best. So if the IM coach knows that and decided to throw 3 ZvT at Symbol...yeaaah...
I would be less annoyed if he threw 5 ZvZ at Symbol consider Losira and Nestea made it closer.
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On June 06 2012 19:33 Heavenlee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 19:32 Hassybaby wrote:On June 06 2012 19:30 MGN wrote:On June 06 2012 19:28 Hassybaby wrote:
Alive lost that more than Younghwa won it imo i don't really see why... Yongwha had a 4th during a long time and play patiently. -He attacked Younghwa when he was in a choke, against 4 colossus -He left his Vikings up front constantly when the stalkers were running in to snipe them every few seconds -He sent in 6 ghosts on their own against a max army, when they were the last hope to take the army out. He got, what, one EMP off for 6 ghosts? Why are you trying to introduce logic into this after actually observing the game? It's TvP, it's unwinnable bro, just don't even watch the game and accept the fact that no matter how hard Alive plays it's impossible for him to win apparently.
ur trolling right ? MVP JUST WON 3 PROTOSS IN CODE S !!!
and this is starcraft , nothing is impossible , nothing is unbeatable . you must be so frustrated go QQ on blizzard forums
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On June 06 2012 19:39 polyphonyEX wrote:
I think the odds of fnatic winning tonight are just about impossibyul
Please don't kiss of death ST.
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this map.. these positions.. i wonder whats gonna happen
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On June 06 2012 19:40 Haydin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 19:39 Heavenlee wrote:
Semi-related question...do terrans just...not like ghosts anymore? I really can't remember the last time I watched a templar v ghost war, or a decent amount of EMPs actually landing on a protoss army. If a terran even does make ghosts, it seems they just suicide all of them. It's like after the nerf terrans just now consider EMP completely useless whereas before it would sometimes to completely one-sided engagemets. I also never see scans to kill obs with vikings. No obs + cloaked ghosts = dead deathball
That's not something Terran should have to rely on really. Not saying they shouldn't try to do it.
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On June 06 2012 19:41 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 19:40 Heavenlee wrote:On June 06 2012 19:39 ImNightmare wrote:On June 06 2012 19:39 Heavenlee wrote:
Semi-related question...do terrans just...not like ghosts anymore? I really can't remember the last time I watched a templar v ghost war, or a decent amount of EMPs actually landing on a protoss army. If a terran even does make ghosts, it seems they just suicide all of them. It's like after the nerf terrans just now consider EMP completely useless whereas before it would sometimes to completely one-sided engagemets. There were ghost in the last match. -_- what were you watching? Proleague? LOLOLOL, just kidding. See: If a terran even does make ghosts, it seems they just suicide all of them. Of course they die, they are like infestors, they have to be in front. Infestor's die to deathaballs too btw when trying to fungal
Dying is not the same as suiciding. Did the slight radius nerf really make it that impossible to land EMPs on the protoss army?
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I hope Yonghwa does the ramp block, the tears will be many.
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On June 06 2012 19:39 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 19:35 bittman wrote:On June 06 2012 19:31 SeeKeR wrote:On June 06 2012 19:29 Koshi wrote:
Nobody will stop IM.
Losira Nestea
MVP Happy
MC YongHwa
Kill em all! TSL_Symbol says hi Didn't watch the games, but I'd like to blame IM coach again. Symbol's weakest MU = ZvP. Protoss players used by IM: 0. Protoss players available: Seed (Code S), First (Code A), Yongwha (The next protoss Yongjwa) Not saying Symbol isn't kicking ass, because that would be a silly thing to say. But really if you're not going to prepare a proper snipe then I don't know what you're doing IM coach. I don't think Symbol ZvP is weak. He beat Oz pretty convincely in the GSTL and smash Seed in Code A 2-0 and also beat MC 2-0 at Spring Arena 2. It is just his least played match-up. Yoda was probably sent to sniped to Symbol but he roach/banebusted. Symbol was just on fire.
His pvz is obviously not weak at all. It looked fucking abusive vs Oz and he crushed MC at MLG, like really bad.
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On June 06 2012 19:42 xsnac wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 19:33 Heavenlee wrote:On June 06 2012 19:32 Hassybaby wrote:On June 06 2012 19:30 MGN wrote:On June 06 2012 19:28 Hassybaby wrote:
Alive lost that more than Younghwa won it imo i don't really see why... Yongwha had a 4th during a long time and play patiently. -He attacked Younghwa when he was in a choke, against 4 colossus -He left his Vikings up front constantly when the stalkers were running in to snipe them every few seconds -He sent in 6 ghosts on their own against a max army, when they were the last hope to take the army out. He got, what, one EMP off for 6 ghosts? Why are you trying to introduce logic into this after actually observing the game? It's TvP, it's unwinnable bro, just don't even watch the game and accept the fact that no matter how hard Alive plays it's impossible for him to win apparently. ur trolling right ? MVP JUST WON 3 PROTOSS IN CODE S !!! and this is starcraft , nothing is impossible , nothing is unbeatable . you must be so frustrated go QQ on blizzard forums
I don't think he is trolling.
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