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The time has come for our next Winners Round 2 match of the IGN Pro League Team Arena Challenge 3!
When: Tuesday, Jun 05 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also rebroadcast repeatedly afterwards!)
Format
This double-elimination tournament features 24 teams from around the world and is an All-Kill team format. This match is being played for Winners Round 2. The first team to defeat everyone on the opposing team's roster (5 wins, or a best of 9), will move on in the Winners Bracket, while the loser will drop to LR2. Keep in mind that this has a $20,000 prize pool, and only six teams will make it to the money!
![[image loading]](http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8451/teamliquidicon.png) Team Liquid HayprO Sheth Ret TLO Zenio  TaeJa Jinro  NonY HerO ![[image loading]](http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3086/mouzicon.png) Mousesports HeRoMaRinE HasuObs MaNa biGs MorroW
The First Game of the IPL Team Arena Challenge 3 is on Tuesday, Jun 05 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also rebroadcast repeatedly afterwards!)
Poll: Who Will Win?!Team Liquid (69) 66% Mousesports (35) 34% 104 total votes Your vote: Who Will Win?! (Vote): Mousesports
(Vote): Team Liquid
Results!+ Show Spoiler [Liquid vs Mouz Results] +HasuObs < Metropolis > Sheth
Mana < Entombed Valley > Sheth
HeroMarine < Antiga Shipyard > Sheth
Morrow < Ohana > Sheth
Morrow < Daybreak > HayprO
Bigs < Cloud Kingdom > HayprO
Map List
IPLMap Sanshorn Mists AE
IPLMap Atlantis Spaceship
IPLMap Antiga Shipyard
IPLMap Daybreak
IPLMap Tal'Darim Altar LE
IPLMap Cloud Kingdom
IPLMap Metropolis
IPLMap Ohana
IPLMap Entombed Valley
All the maps can be found on NA, EU, or KR by searching for IPLMap!
The first map will be on a set rotation, and then it is loser's pick.
Casters
This week's games will be commentated by Kevin Knocke and Doa!
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Go Mouz! You can do it! Heromarine destroying everyone!
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Mouz ezpz 
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TLO allkill incoming? Go Liquid!
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UPDATE: This match is now being broadcast today, June 5th! Prime vs Acer is being moved to Wednesday, June 6th, in its place.
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hehe TL has as many zergs as Mous has players
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Got a lot of players I hope I get to cast today, but I have to say HeroMarine is pretty much at the top of the list. The kid's got a ton of talent!
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Oh wow this is happening today!? Fantastic!
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On June 04 2012 19:14 EvilDet wrote:
TLO allkill incoming? Go Liquid!
LOL, I would be surprised if he manages to win 1 game.
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Should be a good match, I think liquid has a considerable advantage though.
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On June 06 2012 02:59 DoA wrote:
Got a lot of players I hope I get to cast today, but I have to say HeroMarine is pretty much at the top of the list. The kid's got a ton of talent!
I hope he gets in on it, too (though I wouldn't mind any of the others taking a few games ).
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I hope Mousesports can win this one. Gonna be hard without ThorZaIN but I think they can do it.
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Mousesports feels so small without ThorZaiN, can't see them winning this.
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On June 06 2012 02:53 Durp wrote:
hehe TL has as many zergs as Mous has players
Well, the 3 Koreans are set and TLO ist the starter for TL. Theres no much win for TL in having more players since i am pretty sure Jinro or NonY wont play...
edit: nevermind, no clue from where i got this idea about TLO. haha...
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can't wait to watch this
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Either Mana with the all kill or TL wins.
Fav EU toss vs fav team.
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This should be very Liquid favoured, they have more options and better all around players. I love me some Mouz so I hope they make it a close one but if I had any money to bet it would be on Liquid.
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So which caster is getting replaced since we get stuck with Mirhi?
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Will watch this. Let's go MOUUUUUZ! WWWWHOOOOOAAA!
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As much as I love mouz, they are much less scary without Thorzain, who has half carried the team to past team league glories. Liquid has their 3 koreans plus TLO and ret, that line should be able to overpower mouz unfortunatly. Gona go with 5 - 3 Liquid.
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Gogo Mouz, foreigners fighting! ^.^"
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They still have Mana, but in Liquid there are so many zergs... and Mana's PvZ isn't too good. But well, we'll see. In my opinion it might be close.
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Gogo Mousesports, pride of the foreigners!
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It will probably be a Liquid victory, but I'm still pulling for Mouz!
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Come on, Liquid, bring home the win! Hwaiting!
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Mouzsport roster so small.
They need to recruit someone. 
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Imma put up my mouz icon for tonight, hope they'll at least put up a good fight.
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Is Zenio going to do the same damage that he did last time?? :D
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Either a mouz win or Hero winning in a close series will make me happy
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On June 06 2012 05:38 Irave wrote:
So which caster is getting replaced since we get stuck with Mirhi?
Did I miss something? Did DoA or Kevin get fired?
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On June 06 2012 07:06 DomiNater wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 05:38 Irave wrote:
So which caster is getting replaced since we get stuck with Mirhi? Did I miss something? Did DoA or Kevin get fired?
No, Kevin Knocke is at E3, so he can't cast here.
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I want to watch Hero sweep on his birfday ^^
gogo TL!
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That Mouz roster looks so wrong without Thorzain... too bad.
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On June 06 2012 05:00 Heimatloser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 02:53 Durp wrote:
hehe TL has as many zergs as Mous has players Well, the 3 Koreans are set and TLO ist the starter for TL. Theres no much win for TL in having more players since i am pretty sure Jinro or NonY wont play... edit: nevermind, no clue from where i got this idea about TLO. haha...
pretty sure Sheth is TL's starter?
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Oh also wanted to say: the incorrect thread is listed for the timeline when you're redirected from the sidebar.
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I want Nony to go out and get a win today.
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Sheth v Hasu first match! Hasu with the FFE and cannon rush!
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Looking grim for Sheth, his expo got blocked by a pylon so he's taken a natural where he normally takes his 3rd.
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Proxy pylon at the 3rd from Hasu as well.
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On June 06 2012 07:14 HolyArrow wrote:
That Mouz roster looks so wrong without Thorzain... too bad.
this :/
I feel like they need one more good foreigner on that team now. Lucifron would be perfect imo.
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Sheth manages to stabilize by killing a ton of probes at the natural of Hasu and take his 3rd at a 12 o'clock position.
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On June 06 2012 08:09 IntoTheheart wrote:
Looking grim for Sheth, his expo got blocked by a pylon so he's taken a natural where he normally takes his 3rd.
This has become pretty standard lol, Sheth can afford to take his base there because Hasu gives up map control by FFEing or something along those lines.
This is such a weird game  , Hasu only has 10 probes left fending off Sheth's ling attack at Hasu's open nat, sheth takes a base at what normally could be a fourth base position in response to the cannon rush.
Hasu starting his core at almost 8.5 mins into the game >.<
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Lair on the way for Sheth and he destroys a proxy attempt by Hasu.
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Spire coming up from Sheth! I could see this doing horrific amounts of damage if Hasu doesn't get out a Phoenix or a decent stalker ball soon.
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Roach Warren has also been up for Sheth.
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Hasu adds on three gateways, and the proxy pylon and cannon at Sheth's 1 o'clock position have been cleaned up so a 4th from Sheth could happen here!
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Hasuobs's tech is sooo behind and Sheth almost doubling his supply with money in the bank and mutaling on the map >~<
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Sheth has over 70 supply on top of Hasu and with mutas on the map he continually harasses his opponent!
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Thanks for the LR! Very helpful!
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On June 06 2012 08:19 tree.hugger wrote:
Thanks for the LR! Very helpful!
Sorry haha. I can't do regular updates because I'm new to this. e___e
Sheth and his opponent keep trading but with clever overlord placing Sheth is able to deny a third from Hasu.
The 2base strategy works for Sheth as he eventually snipes off the Sentries and floods in with his army while Hasu sends his 7 stalkers to deal with a ball 20-large of Mutalisks and around 50-80 Zerglings.
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MaNa? Ofc. the mouz-management knows better than me, but would´nt MorroW be the more-obvious choice?
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MaNa vs. Sheth. Game II.
Sheth at the 1.5 o'clock,
MaNa at the 7.5 o'clock.
Entombed Valley.
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On June 06 2012 08:21 Xoronius wrote:
MaNa? Ofc. the mouz-management knows better than me, but would´nt MorroW be the more-obvious choice?
Well, who's more snipable? Usually you reserve your players with no real weak match-up for later to prevent snipes.
edit: I have no idea, btw. Just commenting that that could be their reasoning.
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MaNa opts to do an FFE while Sheth does a 14 pool.
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Sheth tries to go 14/15 but his drone gets blocked!
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Hum...I don't think MaNa is very known for his PvZ, much more for his PvT i think...I think the casters are wrong on that point
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MaNa has his nex and gateway on the way, 2nd starting for Sheth although it's at the regular 3rd expo position.
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On June 06 2012 08:21 Xoronius wrote:
MaNa? Ofc. the mouz-management knows better than me, but would´nt MorroW be the more-obvious choice?
I dunno, maybe the mirror matchup would have been undesirable?
Wait I just remembered, is Morrow the one who switches to T when he plays vZ? Maybe it's just because management would rather he play as Z at least for his first game, I dunno.
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3rd coming up from Sheth as well, as his queen tries to migrate over there. The damage he dealt in the last game won't be repeatable since MaNa's thrown down his cannon.
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No gas from Sheth, while there is 2 gas from MaNa.
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Roaches coming out from Sheth, I think he's trying to do the Stephano max-out.
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MaNa adds on three extra gateways and is chrono-boosting out his Stalkers. This might be some timing push.
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MaNa's Warp-In is done and so is his proxy pylon at the 11.75 o'clock.
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Push from MaNa and sets another forward pylon (pressures Sheth's "3rd,") and this gets destroyed by Roaches.
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MaNa loses his forward pylon AND one close to the ramp!
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Uh-oh! Immortals on the field for MaNa and I gtg. Greeeat. Sorry TL I guess I let you guys down.
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Mana pushes out with a small force of 2 immortals, a handful of sentries, some a few lots and like 3 stalkers. 1-1 is done for him and a warp prism is building :x supply is 100-150 in Sheth's favor atm
aww bye! >< sorry to see you go D:
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MaNa's entire army is surrounded by roaches!
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Mana's entire force gets cleaned up by roaches lol ouchies
108-180 supply, Sheth's going to max soon...I don't think Mana can win this.
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Why Mana against Sheth ? Why not Morrow : / Mana's PvZ is so poor
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Makes no sense at all to send out Mana. Hasu is usually great against Zerg, but Mana...everyone else would've been a better choice. T.T
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Oh boy, Spire coming up from Sheth!
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Wow, Mana is just now getting blink. Mouz is getting roflstomped by Sheth so far :/
Prism harass getting shut down too...
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BLs on the way for Sheth, 200 supply to Mana's 150.
Lings get straight into Mana's nat and main! Mana's main nex dies and OOOOH his fourth survives with like 14 health
Sheth also has a growing bank, 3k mins 1k gas at the moment.
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Weirdest strategy ever, mass nexus sniping.
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Sheth doing really well with the ling run bys
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Sheth is looking poised to take this game.
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Huge engagement outside Mana's fourth. Mothership is out. Sheth is rolling in units and dough and supply. Loses a random base at 4 o'clock, another ling runby, partially successful. Right now it's 94 to 194 supply in favor of Sheth, and Mana taps out.
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Sheth's really picking up the momentum but I wanna see Hero play ;;
Maybe now they'll send Morrow out?
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Why would Mouz send out Mana against a zerg? He has serious problems against zergs lately...
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Interesting way to deny/delay Protoss getting a Mothership, just kill all the Nexi.
Hmm.
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Gj by sheth! A good start indeed for Liquid
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man mouz's lineup is so thin....o-o
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I hope Liquid takes it, but I wanna see some Morrow wins first. :D
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Without Thorzain...they really don't seem to have an ace in effect :S
Also only 5 players, I just noticed...wow v__v
Heromarine now vs Sheth, at least we get a TvZ ^^
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On June 06 2012 08:41 Champloo wrote:
Why would Mouz send out Mana against a zerg? He has serious problems against zergs lately...
He has serious problems against zerg since pretty much forever. Plus he has the best chance to snipe Taeja. Sending him out was just the dumbest decision since sending out dreamertt when being down 0-2.
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Ye I love me some good mech play. Blue flame finishes for heromarine, and the hellions streak towards--okay they're just sitting at the Xelnaga probably waiting for the next cycle to finish.
Okay now they move out and swarm sheth's nat, he kills a ton of drones but loses like every single hellion (upwards of a dozen?). Aw I havta go now too =__= with luck I'll be back in time to see a potential 9th game though
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Btw, who is HeroMarine? I've never heard the name before. O_o He good?
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Must have been played before HasuObs told him to build a third CC sometimes.
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Wow Sheth, such a great hold!
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Sheth loves munching through foreigner teams, and Mouz looks really weak without Thorzain. T_T
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On June 06 2012 08:52 Holgerius wrote:
Btw, who is HeroMarine? I've never heard the name before. O_o He good?
Yeah when did he join?
Still, the game was interesting.
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So sad that mouz fell in team power so much, Empire-Liquid are the strongest now
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I'm not sure why you would not send morrow to snipe Sheth, since his TvZ is so great.
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That was GREAT micro. For a sec I was sure Sheth was done for.
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HerOMarine really showing some immaturity in his play. That push was really haphazard.
I feel like Mouz was really dependent on having a tight team that depended on all-rounders in each race, they desperately need a replacement for Thorzain right now. For a team that was so finely tuned, losing a key component like that really hurts so much.
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That was a pretty good hold by Sheth. Honestly I thought he was going to lose when I saw HeroMarine take so many of his SCVs to repair his mech army. Looked like a very scary push in my opinion.
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On June 06 2012 08:55 Pirat6662001 wrote:
So sad that mouz fell in team power so much, Empire-Liquid are the strongest now
I'd say Fnatic and Complexity are potentially stronger than Liquid.
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Morrow is gonna have to reverse all-kill or something if Mouz are gonna have a chance in this.
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Ohana game IV, Morrow on the 10.5 and Sheth on the 4.5
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On June 06 2012 08:54 MCDayC wrote:
Sheth loves munching through foreigner teams, and Mouz looks really weak without Thorzain. T_T
Meh, still don't think so. Can't say that from one match, on a good day HasuObs starts off with two or three kills, Mana doesn't get played against Zerg and you still have a great team.
Mouz is basically like complexity, with only four good players, only they're European, not Korean. If half of them fail to deliver, they're pretty much fucked.
Sheth is good, but he isn't unbeatable, same with the rest of foreigner Liquid + Zenio. Not a good day for Mouz so far, still MorroW could win and take a few games. biGs, too.
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On June 06 2012 08:54 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 08:52 Holgerius wrote:
Btw, who is HeroMarine? I've never heard the name before. O_o He good? Yeah when did he join? Still, the game was interesting.
mouz had a talent-squad a while back and heromarine is the only one who is left out of those guys. He had a decent performance at the german wcs, but he is not up there in skill with the other mouz-guys. He is only 14 years old though.^^
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Fuck yeah Sheth, Sunshine Fighting!
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Hm, this looks to be over sooner than I had anticipated. I better hurry up making my (e)sports cigarette... 
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On June 06 2012 08:52 Holgerius wrote:
Btw, who is HeroMarine? I've never heard the name before. O_o He good?
HeroMarine is a 14 year old german and the currently only member of mouzes talent squad. He joined a few months ago and recently got 5/6 at the WCS germany. His strongest MU is TvP, he considers TvZ as his weakest.
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On June 06 2012 08:57 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 08:55 Pirat6662001 wrote:
So sad that mouz fell in team power so much, Empire-Liquid are the strongest now I'd say Fnatic and Complexity are potentially stronger than Liquid.
Honestly- having hard time thinking of Fnatic as a foreigner team. Both Empire and Liquid have really strong foreigners (Sheth, Kas, and 2nd tier- TLO, Happy, Beasty) to give them flavor and water down Koreans.
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Gogo Morrow! ^__^ Show us what a baws you are.
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1rax FE from Morrow and Sheth has his expo started and I think the pool as well.
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Factory from MorroW and a fast reactor, expect some Hellion play.
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And an early 3rd from MorroW started at his nat!
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On June 06 2012 08:59 Pirat6662001 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 08:57 Mordiford wrote:On June 06 2012 08:55 Pirat6662001 wrote:
So sad that mouz fell in team power so much, Empire-Liquid are the strongest now I'd say Fnatic and Complexity are potentially stronger than Liquid. Honestly- having hard time thinking of Fnatic as a foreigner team. Both Empire and Liquid have really strong foreigners (Sheth, Kas, and 2nd tier- TLO, Happy, Beasty) to give them flavor and water down Koreans.
Ret? and I feel like you forgot someone from empire, but I'm not as familiar haha
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On June 06 2012 08:59 Pirat6662001 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 08:57 Mordiford wrote:On June 06 2012 08:55 Pirat6662001 wrote:
So sad that mouz fell in team power so much, Empire-Liquid are the strongest now I'd say Fnatic and Complexity are potentially stronger than Liquid. Honestly- having hard time thinking of Fnatic as a foreigner team. Both Empire and Liquid have really strong foreigners (Sheth, Kas, and 2nd tier- TLO, Happy, Beasty) to give them flavor and water down Koreans.
Fair enough, I'd probably still place Complexity ahead of Team Liquid though. Mouz just needs a solid Terran and they could easily be back on top, I think they're just having a bad match this time around as well.
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why does morrow become korean every time he plays tvz
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Heh; I saw Morrow posting here on TL about doing this exact thing quite recently.
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3rd up from Sheth but lost two queens and about 10-15 Lings to some Hellions.
More Hellions come and Sheth starts with Roaches.
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Wow, Sheth owning it up. Nice to see.
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Sheth I think tries for a counterattack but a tank comes from MorroW, and there's a bunker on the ramp.
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I feel fast third is never worth it as a zerg player on this map.
Macro hatch and tech feel better. I always see zerg get a lot of deficit from the fast third which put theml behind.
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On June 06 2012 09:02 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 08:59 Pirat6662001 wrote:On June 06 2012 08:57 Mordiford wrote:On June 06 2012 08:55 Pirat6662001 wrote:
So sad that mouz fell in team power so much, Empire-Liquid are the strongest now I'd say Fnatic and Complexity are potentially stronger than Liquid. Honestly- having hard time thinking of Fnatic as a foreigner team. Both Empire and Liquid have really strong foreigners (Sheth, Kas, and 2nd tier- TLO, Happy, Beasty) to give them flavor and water down Koreans. Fair enough, I'd probably still place Complexity ahead of Team Liquid though. Mouz just needs a solid Terran and they could easily be back on top, I think they're just having a bad match this time around as well.
in terms of foreigners? They have QXC and Minigun but I'd take TLO, Ret, and Sheth over them.
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+4 raxes with upgrades from MorroW... and another fact.
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Lair done from Sheth and his 1-1 isn't too far off either. I think MorroW's seiging up his 3rd.
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On June 06 2012 08:57 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 08:55 Pirat6662001 wrote:
So sad that mouz fell in team power so much, Empire-Liquid are the strongest now I'd say Fnatic and Complexity are potentially stronger than Liquid.
How do you get that?
Fnatic has aLive, Oz, Byul, Moon, Nightend, and Tod, right?
Taeja is roughly equal to alive (weaker vT, stronger vZ) and HerO is about equal to Oz (much stronger vT, stronger vZ, but weaker vP). As for for the rest, don't you think Ret Sheth and Zenio are just better overall? Even Haypro Jinro and TLO (if vT) are equal if not better than Fnatic's b-team.
As for coL, idk. Heart, Nada, and ganzi sure look strong on paper, but liquid 3-1 them in EG MCSL, and col is in the loser's bracket of this tournament...
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Morrow taking a page out of Flash's book; making a great wall of China.
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2-2 up for MorroW while Sheth has Spire and Infestors.
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On June 06 2012 09:02 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 08:59 Pirat6662001 wrote:On June 06 2012 08:57 Mordiford wrote:On June 06 2012 08:55 Pirat6662001 wrote:
So sad that mouz fell in team power so much, Empire-Liquid are the strongest now I'd say Fnatic and Complexity are potentially stronger than Liquid. Honestly- having hard time thinking of Fnatic as a foreigner team. Both Empire and Liquid have really strong foreigners (Sheth, Kas, and 2nd tier- TLO, Happy, Beasty) to give them flavor and water down Koreans. Fair enough, I'd probably still place Complexity ahead of Team Liquid though. Mouz just needs a solid Terran and they could easily be back on top, I think they're just having a bad match this time around as well.
I think depends on a format of league, in all kill format Liquid has Tajae and Hero that are good all-killing potential vs any team, while coplexity is bette rin 1v1 format cause they are more solid individualy
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Zergling flank for Sheth and destroys a huge push from MorrOw.
4th dead for Sheth and MorroW's starting mining from his.
Sheth has his 4th coming back up.
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That was a saviOr-esque delay and had he waited for his harass zerglings to get back to the 4th before attacking in with infestors it would have been an incredible turn. Very close, sad it didn't turn out. I don't see how he can recover at this point.
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After watching Kas lose everything to nerchio run by in the homestory cup qualifier finals, watching morrow be so prepared against runby is so good.
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Sheth snuck in a few Infestors in MorroW's base.
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On June 06 2012 09:10 Noocta wrote:
After watching Kas lose everything to nerchio run by in the homestory cup qualifier finals, watching morrow be so prepared against runby is so good.
Did Kas lose the series? (Nerchio seems to be his Kryptonite)
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On June 06 2012 09:06 Walnuts wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 08:57 Mordiford wrote:On June 06 2012 08:55 Pirat6662001 wrote:
So sad that mouz fell in team power so much, Empire-Liquid are the strongest now I'd say Fnatic and Complexity are potentially stronger than Liquid. How do you get that? Fnatic has aLive, Oz, Byul, Moon, Nightend, and Tod, right? Taeja is roughly equal to alive (weaker vT, stronger vZ) and HerO is about equal to Oz (much stronger vT, stronger vZ, but weaker vP). As for for the rest, don't you think Ret Sheth and Zenio are just better overall? Even Haypro Jinro and TLO (if vT) are equal if not better than Fnatic's b-team. As for coL, idk. Heart, Nada, and ganzi sure look strong on paper, but liquid 3-1 them in EG MCSL, and col is in the loser's bracket of this tournament...
Yet Complexity advanced into the playoffs of EG MCSL and Liquid didn't. A lot of EG MCSL is draws though, if some of those draws were switched around you could have seen different results since all the player picks are done blindly. Once again, if you're brining up EG MCSL, Fnatic both beat Liquid 3-1 and is qualifying for the playoffs over them.
It's not that astounding to consider these teams comparable, I'm not saying Liquid is blown out of the water by them, I just think they're a bit better at the moment.
On June 06 2012 09:04 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 09:02 Mordiford wrote:On June 06 2012 08:59 Pirat6662001 wrote:On June 06 2012 08:57 Mordiford wrote:On June 06 2012 08:55 Pirat6662001 wrote:
So sad that mouz fell in team power so much, Empire-Liquid are the strongest now I'd say Fnatic and Complexity are potentially stronger than Liquid. Honestly- having hard time thinking of Fnatic as a foreigner team. Both Empire and Liquid have really strong foreigners (Sheth, Kas, and 2nd tier- TLO, Happy, Beasty) to give them flavor and water down Koreans. Fair enough, I'd probably still place Complexity ahead of Team Liquid though. Mouz just needs a solid Terran and they could easily be back on top, I think they're just having a bad match this time around as well. in terms of foreigners? They have QXC and Minigun but I'd take TLO, Ret, and Sheth over them.
In terms of foreigners alone, I'd say Mouz is still definitely a top team. They might have had a bit of a bad game but all of their players have consistently shown great performances where other team's foreigners have been inconsistent.
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MorroW didn't choose to use his double drop, ghosts coming up.
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On June 06 2012 09:11 Pirat6662001 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 09:10 Noocta wrote:
After watching Kas lose everything to nerchio run by in the homestory cup qualifier finals, watching morrow be so prepared against runby is so good. Did Kas lose the series? (Nerchio seems to be his Kryptonite)
+ Show Spoiler +
Kas was playing very sloppy overall anyway. Game 3 is worth watching anyhow.; 45min low econ game on cloud kingdom.
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sheth stop this madness.
You are making me too happy.
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Brood Lords are up for Sheth and saves his 3rd.
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Broodlords and FlyingSpaceShark had a moment of bonding there
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oh well, Wp by both sides. Great run sheth!!!
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nice try sheth but morrow still too far ahead.
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TvZ is definitely my favourite match-up to watch in SC2.
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A few trades, and MorroW's taken a 5th.
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MorroW's taking down two bases of Sheth simultaneously.
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On June 06 2012 09:11 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 09:06 Walnuts wrote:On June 06 2012 08:57 Mordiford wrote:On June 06 2012 08:55 Pirat6662001 wrote:
So sad that mouz fell in team power so much, Empire-Liquid are the strongest now I'd say Fnatic and Complexity are potentially stronger than Liquid. How do you get that? Fnatic has aLive, Oz, Byul, Moon, Nightend, and Tod, right? Taeja is roughly equal to alive (weaker vT, stronger vZ) and HerO is about equal to Oz (much stronger vT, stronger vZ, but weaker vP). As for for the rest, don't you think Ret Sheth and Zenio are just better overall? Even Haypro Jinro and TLO (if vT) are equal if not better than Fnatic's b-team. As for coL, idk. Heart, Nada, and ganzi sure look strong on paper, but liquid 3-1 them in EG MCSL, and col is in the loser's bracket of this tournament... Yet Complexity advanced into the playoffs of EG MCSL and Liquid didn't. A lot of EG MCSL is draws though, if some of those draws were switched around you could have seen different results since all the player picks are done blindly. Once again, if you're brining up EG MCSL, Fnatic both beat Liquid 3-1 and is qualifying for the playoffs over them. It's not that astounding to consider these teams comparable, I'm not saying Liquid is blown out of the water by them, I just think they're a bit better at the moment. Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 09:04 DamageControL wrote:On June 06 2012 09:02 Mordiford wrote:On June 06 2012 08:59 Pirat6662001 wrote:On June 06 2012 08:57 Mordiford wrote:On June 06 2012 08:55 Pirat6662001 wrote:
So sad that mouz fell in team power so much, Empire-Liquid are the strongest now I'd say Fnatic and Complexity are potentially stronger than Liquid. Honestly- having hard time thinking of Fnatic as a foreigner team. Both Empire and Liquid have really strong foreigners (Sheth, Kas, and 2nd tier- TLO, Happy, Beasty) to give them flavor and water down Koreans. Fair enough, I'd probably still place Complexity ahead of Team Liquid though. Mouz just needs a solid Terran and they could easily be back on top, I think they're just having a bad match this time around as well. in terms of foreigners? They have QXC and Minigun but I'd take TLO, Ret, and Sheth over them. In terms of foreigners alone, I'd say Mouz is still definitely a top team. They might have had a bit of a bad game but all of their players have consistently shown great performances where other team's foreigners have been inconsistent.
idk what your talking about when you say inconsistent, sheth is up 3-0 against mouz foreigners right now. 
And I think Ret is better anyway, and TLO's ZvT is pretty boss.
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Huge drop in the main and I don't know how well Sheth will be able to survive.
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Lmao MorroW's wall is so epic.
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Russian Federation949 Posts
On June 06 2012 09:14 Holgerius wrote:
TvZ is definitely my favourite match-up to watch in SC2.
Favorite to watch, least favorite to play. GM terran seems okay but in masters we r strugling
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Sheth manages to survive his Hive somehow. Ghosts on the way.
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On June 06 2012 09:16 Pirat6662001 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 09:14 Holgerius wrote:
TvZ is definitely my favourite match-up to watch in SC2. Favorite to watch, least favorite to play. GM terran seems okay but in masters we r strugling
Well, TvP is hell to play as well. But yeh, TvZ is moar fun to watch than to play.
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Australia8532 Posts
I feel like its only a matter of time for MorroW..
"No Kidding" is the caster phrase of the day apparently
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Nuke roasts almost all of Sheth's surviving drones.
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AWHAHHWAHHWABWAHAHAH! Nuke kills everything. :D
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Dat nuke, dat fucking nuke. Love it
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Le Böm!
Very nice play by sheth regardless, looks to be on the up 'n' up!
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My face has a lemon juice cringe. That hurt to watch. I mean it was great by MorroW all teh same..
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Sheth has to leave the game due to losing almost all of his units.
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SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHETH WHY DID YOU LEAVE!!! I WANTED TO SEE THE NUKE!!!
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And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you play TvZ. :D Morrow is fucking good. ^__^
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Nooo.. Nuke being denied by the end of the game TT
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Morrow's tvz is so incredibly good. Does not look like a foreign terran.
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I actually think Morrow is better at Terran than zerg...
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That last engagement was pretty overkill. EMP messin up all of the Infestors and then a nuke gonna hit the Broodlords...too bad we missed it T_T
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Liquid'HayprO is coming out.
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
Morrow styling on Sheth, please lets have a comeback!
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As usual TvZ delivers. Best match-up in SC2 strikes again!!!
Great game.
P.S. Now imagine for a moment that Warp Ins are removed and suddenly all other match-ups look great too.
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I actually think bigs will be the next mouz ace.
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On June 06 2012 09:19 hifriend wrote:
Morrow's tvz is so incredibly good. Does not look like a foreign terran.
Yeah, his TvZ is almost korean.
His play remind me of Jjakji a lot.
The fact that he practice a chair next to him must help. :p
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Morrow used to practice tvz vs haypro when they were living together.
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morrow's tvz is always a pleasure to watch
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On June 06 2012 09:21 VoirDire wrote:
Morrow used to practice tvz vs haypro when they were living together.
Then this game could basically go either way since they can just mindgame each other.
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On June 06 2012 09:20 Walnuts wrote:
I actually think Morrow is better at Terran than zerg...
I wish he would switch back to T.
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Yeah, I first saw MorroW's TvZ on HayprO's stream. Gonna be cool to see how it's turned out since then.
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Morrow should easily take this. I wonder if Liquid will play a Toss
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Surprised they sent Haypro. Maybe his vT is his best. I haven't seen anything from him lately.
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If Morrow is their ace, why isn't he the ace?
He'll kill Haypro ez anyway.
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As a zerg, I am really glad that MorroW plays TvZ. He has really creative play, for example he basically invented (or at least popularized) the baneling drops style vs Protoss. However, in ZvZ there's not really much room for creative play. So I'm glad he plays terran and does fun stuff with ravens and nukes. I don't think I've ever really seen a boring game from MorroW.
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On June 06 2012 09:23 Ksquared wrote:
Morrow should easily take this. I wonder if Liquid will play a Toss
Sadly, I don't think Mouz have an awser if TL send HerO;.
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Russian Federation949 Posts
On June 06 2012 09:24 StarVe wrote:
If Morrow is their ace, why isn't he the ace?
Will kill Haypro ez anyway.
i'd say 70-30 that he kills him, but Haypro might just be on his game for no reason. At the same time if Liquid will just keep sending zergs at Morrow (TLO, Zenio, Ret), mouz might win this on his TvZ
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I agree with Noocta, I feel if HerO comes in mousesports is gonna lose this one. MorroW and biGs are good but HerO's PvZ is probably too strong.
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On June 06 2012 09:23 Ksquared wrote:
Morrow should easily take this. I wonder if Liquid will play a Toss
"A toss", lol. As if they had a lot to choose from.
I'm sure they'll play Hero if they need to.
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On June 06 2012 09:21 StarVe wrote:
I actually think bigs will be the next mouz ace.
Well Kaeleris won't be coming out tonight
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Liquid seems to be confident that Hero and/or Taeja will bring it home no matter what and thus give the lesser fielded players more airtime and us more games.
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Beside the PvP dice ( Mana and Hasu are both good but not genius at pvp ), mouz roster is very weak versus protoss.
Thorzain used to be their main vP sniper.
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On June 06 2012 09:27 McFeser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 09:21 StarVe wrote:
I actually think bigs will be the next mouz ace. Well Kaeleris won't be coming out tonight
But his good looks would wow the (none-existent) crowd if he did.
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Imagine if this was a ZvZ. Haypro and Morrow have like the top 2 best creep spread in the universe. The map would be creep filled in like 2 minutes.
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Holy shit 2k overmins at 10 minutes for Haypro.
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Haypro floating a ton of minerals; 2k as I write
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Russian Federation949 Posts
On June 06 2012 09:30 StarVe wrote:
Holy shit 2k overmins at 10 minutes for Haypro.
He was supply blocked badly
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MorroWs ZvP has looked quite weak recently, hero could easily snipe him right now.
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Haypro floating 1.5k consistnetly now.
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On June 06 2012 09:27 McFeser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 09:21 StarVe wrote:
I actually think bigs will be the next mouz ace. Well Kaeleris won't be coming out tonight
Isn´t to sure. Apollo was dignitas ace in some qualifier not to long ago. Btw., in which league is Kaeleris? A tournament with him, D.Apollo and EG Azael casted by Hasu and iNcontroL would be refreshing as well.
Edit: Holy shit, that creepspread, 20 tumors at production tab.
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I really wish Morrow would just stay Terran I love his play style vs zergs
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Haypro playing really well. He's a bit ahead atm, i believe.
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Hmm, when I bring up the stream, all I get is a black screen, though the viewer count is shown. I wonder what is going on?
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On June 06 2012 09:30 StarVe wrote:
Holy shit 2k overmins at 10 minutes for Haypro.
Morrow was floating 1.3k minerals for quite some time as well
Edit: Before someone bites my head off and says he is maxed... I was talking about when he was atl like 130 or so supply.
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Lucky hatch.
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MorroW is my favorite player but gotta love HayprO. Love it when Zergs go for Ultrabanes
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OH MY GOD HAYPRO! That was an amazing attack on the fourth!
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He can afford to trade zerglings at this point ^_^
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This kind of game make me miss 45 damage Snipe.
Shakuras and MVP make them look imbalanced but.. heh...
By the way, for zergs players wondering, the fact that HayprO add a lot of baneling in this lategame army is REALLY REALLY good. Everyone should do it if you have the gas.
Nothing is scarier than Hive tech unit + infestors + speedbanes.
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Didn't expect Haypro to smash Morrow. :O
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Wow, HayprO did fantastically.
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On June 06 2012 09:42 Holgerius wrote:
Didn't expect Haypro to smash Morrow. :O
MorroW and HayprO practice a lot so it was not such a surprise.
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Haypro has really good late game unit control.
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Banjoooooooooo, fuck yeah. I doubted but was proven wrong. Very nice play from Hayder.
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Ugh. Let's see some cross-server ZvZ.
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Wow, Morrow losing to Haypro, I'm out.
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Looks like HayprO trained to snipe MorroW? Or maybe he's just his kryptonite...
Well done, Hayder!
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Haypro the Banjooooooo!!!
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Yikers. biGs could take out HayprO maybe but once Hero arrives I think it's all over.
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United Kingdom3249 Posts
Really nicely played by Haypro. Awesome to see. <3
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Even haypro can make fun of terran late game :D
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Dunno if biGs has what it takes to go for a 4-kill right now... he's gotta eat through a ZvZ and HerO.
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Love Hayder. Every time he wins I am happy. This ZvZ will be tough, bigs has looked quite good lately.
edit: I'm not saying he's 4Kill good, though.
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banjooooooooooooh sick bl control
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It's not "Mouse eSports", Doa...
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Kevin Knocke looks a lot different today.
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lol oh shit poor Acer....
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Who is this other caster? He sounds incredibly bored.
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these guys are HD and Painuser's evil twin casting duo
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Erm, DoA the guy from Star Wars is Biggs. 2 g's.
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nice to see haypro winning ^^ gj hayder, take a second one for liquid.
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On June 06 2012 09:47 Nimic wrote:
Who is this other caster? He sounds incredibly bored.
His name is Frank. That is all I know. I wonder where Kevin has been lately.
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On June 06 2012 09:53 Sovano wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 09:47 Nimic wrote:
Who is this other caster? He sounds incredibly bored. His name is Frank. That is all I know. I wonder where Kevin has been lately.
He was the former manager of Team ReIGN I believe. That is, he was the manager until it disbanded.
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And Liquid only used Zergs too :D
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BAAAAAAAAANJO!!!!! FINALLY HE GETS TO SHINE! :D
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Congrats to Haypro! And more importantly congrats to Team Liquid! <3
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so much for using koreans
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Mouz needs to hire somebody now...
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Yeah haypro! Excellent play by liquid. Where are the haters with their 'liquid only wins with koreans' posts now!
♥ you guys.
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Kevin Knocke looks really different today. Can't exactly put my finger on it.
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On June 06 2012 10:00 GreyishTommy wrote:
Mouz needs to hire somebody now...
Perhaps a former oGs player?
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No work for HerO on his birthday. Nice present.
Well done, Liquid!
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What? They played Mana against Sheth? Seems like Morrow would have been the better choice, though I suppose TL has so many zergs as is.
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On June 06 2012 10:00 GreyishTommy wrote:
Mouz needs to hire somebody now...
If only they could get Lucifron. :/
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wow recent ownage from these zergs are amazing
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On June 06 2012 09:47 Nimic wrote:
Who is this other caster? He sounds incredibly bored.
You might know him from the Spades thread. It's Frank Fields aka Mirhi.
WP Liquid, better luck next time, mouz, I know you're much better than this.
The "Zerg winning every game" streak continues. The only Terrans who win are in fact Zergs. :D
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Sheth a total boss as usual! Nice performance! Great to see Haypro winning too.
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On June 06 2012 10:00 kerpal wrote:
Yeah haypro! Excellent play by liquid. Where are the haters with their 'liquid only wins with koreans' posts now!
♥ you guys.
Lol I only say that for gstl, sorry
Foreigners can beat foreigners "shrug"
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On June 06 2012 10:00 GreyishTommy wrote:
Mouz needs to hire somebody now...
Spades!
jk..
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On June 06 2012 10:02 Noocta wrote:If only they could get Lucifron. :/
Lucifron is all hype with no results versus Koreans, he's no replacement for Thorzain.
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On June 06 2012 10:04 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 10:00 kerpal wrote:
Yeah haypro! Excellent play by liquid. Where are the haters with their 'liquid only wins with koreans' posts now!
♥ you guys. Lol I only say that for gstl, sorry Foreigners can beat foreigners "shrug"
Don't be sorry, you're halfway right!
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On June 06 2012 10:13 kerpal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 10:04 Whatson wrote:On June 06 2012 10:00 kerpal wrote:
Yeah haypro! Excellent play by liquid. Where are the haters with their 'liquid only wins with koreans' posts now!
♥ you guys. Lol I only say that for gstl, sorry Foreigners can beat foreigners "shrug" Don't be sorry, you're halfway right!
100% right you mean
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On June 06 2012 10:12 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 10:02 Noocta wrote:On June 06 2012 10:00 GreyishTommy wrote:
Mouz needs to hire somebody now... If only they could get Lucifron. :/ Lucifron is all hype with no results versus Koreans, he's no replacement for Thorzain.
He 4-0'd ThorZaIN and the hype is all from results :-/
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
wtffffffffff awesome job haypro !
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On June 06 2012 10:28 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 10:12 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 06 2012 10:02 Noocta wrote:On June 06 2012 10:00 GreyishTommy wrote:
Mouz needs to hire somebody now... If only they could get Lucifron. :/ Lucifron is all hype with no results versus Koreans, he's no replacement for Thorzain. He 4-0'd ThorZaIN and the hype is all from results :-/
He has no results versus Koreans. All he's done is go on a hot streak versus mid tier foreigners.
Thorzain's been beating (and obviously losing a lot too) Koreans for over a year now and has placed well at many different LAN's.
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Mouz.Fin or Mouz.TheSTC plz
not supernova he's gong to liquid :3
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Zerg doing really well in team leagues recently
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I'm just disappointed that it didn't go longer than it did. Grats to TL!
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On June 06 2012 10:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 10:28 Ruscour wrote:On June 06 2012 10:12 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 06 2012 10:02 Noocta wrote:On June 06 2012 10:00 GreyishTommy wrote:
Mouz needs to hire somebody now... If only they could get Lucifron. :/ Lucifron is all hype with no results versus Koreans, he's no replacement for Thorzain. He 4-0'd ThorZaIN and the hype is all from results :-/ He has no results versus Koreans. All he's done is go on a hot streak versus mid tier foreigners. Thorzain's been beating (and obviously losing a lot too) Koreans for over a year now and has placed well at many different LAN's.
To be fair, Lucifron never played for more than 2 months continuously and everytime he play he manage to get top EU tier.
This time he got The Gathering, X-0'ed everyone on his way to Scan Invitational win, 2-1'ed biGs(who is on a roll lately but isn't the best zerg around, I agree) and got eliminated by MaNa by 2-1 on IPL5 EU qualifiers.
I don't see how someone like this could be all hype.
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Sheth and Haypro too strong! Go Liquid!
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good job banjo :D
edit: and sheth of course~
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Woo woo! Great play by Sheth and HayprO! Favorite part of the series was when Sheth sniped MaNa's main nexus by the slimmest of margins, then barely missed sniping the natural nexus by an equally thin margin. Great drama!
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Oh Banjo, you sweep me off of my feet!
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On June 06 2012 10:54 GTPGlitch wrote:
Mouz.Fin or Mouz.TheSTC plz
not supernova he's gong to liquid :3
I would guess ThaSTC, I bet FinGG will go the way of his captain: into the waiting arms of a BW pro-team.
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Why is zerg winning everything left and right?
Symbol losira sheth haypro morrow are the only winners in the last 16 games I saw.
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On June 06 2012 16:03 Xaldarian wrote:
Why is zerg winning everything left and right?
Symbol losira sheth haypro morrow are the only winners in the last 16 games I saw.
MorroW was playing as T though.
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Didn't know he switched back
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On June 06 2012 16:23 Xaldarian wrote:
Didn't know he switched back
Morrow avoids ZvZ by playing T vs. Z.
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On June 06 2012 16:23 Xaldarian wrote:
Didn't know he switched back
He race picks TvZ to avoid the mirror match up.
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On June 06 2012 10:12 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 10:02 Noocta wrote:On June 06 2012 10:00 GreyishTommy wrote:
Mouz needs to hire somebody now... If only they could get Lucifron. :/ Lucifron is all hype with no results versus Koreans, he's no replacement for Thorzain.
he beat thorzain 4-0...
and he just doesn't have results vs koreans because he hasn't played many koreans yet.
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On June 06 2012 10:54 GTPGlitch wrote:
Mouz.Fin or Mouz.TheSTC plz
not supernova he's gong to liquid :3
pls no koreans mouz!
they are the only team that can compete in international competition without having to buy koreans so they should keep it that way...
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Looking forward to this. All possibilities is that Morrow will play TvZ.
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On June 06 2012 22:55 sVnteen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 10:54 GTPGlitch wrote:
Mouz.Fin or Mouz.TheSTC plz
not supernova he's gong to liquid :3 pls no koreans mouz! they are the only team that can compete in international competition without having to buy koreans so they should keep it that way...
They can't anymore without ThorZain. They need some new good players, either up&coming like Snute or Harstem or experienced like Lucifron. Doubt they will pick any of them aup though, somebody like Pomi or Targa is much more likely.
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