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Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
May 23 2012 11:26 GMT
#701
Remember how annoying Protoss was during the "sad zealot" days? That's Terran now, but worse.
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michielbrands
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1146 Posts
May 23 2012 11:26 GMT
#702
On May 23 2012 20:22 Remi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 20:04 Absentia wrote:
On May 23 2012 20:01 SupLilSon wrote:
On May 23 2012 19:57 Absentia wrote:
Also Ryung didn't have anywhere near enough vikings for the colossus count, (even more so considering he was behind in upgrades).


How are you supposed to be ahead in upgrades vs protoss? Unless he opts not to get them or you luckily snipe his forge ;\ Terran can only hope to be even or maybe ahead on the first up or so.


You're not so you have to get more vikings instead.
Seems like protoss can't win a single game without people claiming it was imbalance. Ryung was facing, (I believe) a 5 colossus army with something like 11 vikings...that's just not enough.

You suggest terrans have to build 3 vikings for every colossus then? Do you realize, that's 450 min and 225 gas worth of units to counter 300 min/200 gas of units, and even then terrans are in disadvantage, because while vikings are killing colossi, they are killing terran ground army.


How would that not be fair? 450/225 (3 vikings) > 300/200 (1 colossus) < 300/150 (2 vikings), that's just comon sense? actually 1 viking already owns a colosus.... it just takes longer and he probably gets taken down too fast by stalkers
- me (L) competitive gaming -
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
May 23 2012 11:27 GMT
#703
(P)Empire_Vines v (T)TSL_Polt

Vines: 2W 0L
Polt: 1W 1L


Map:
Dual Sight

5.00
(P)Empire_Vines is spawning as the orange Protoss in the 8 o'clock position
(T)TSL_Polt is spawning as the teal Terran in the 2 o'clock position

Single Barracks into expansion for Polt on the high ground.

Gateway-Gas-Cybercor for Vines.
Two more Barracks added on.
Warpgate tech started for Vines.

Double gas for Polt.
Nexus down on the natural of Vines.

Zealot/Stalker goes into the main of Polt as he doesn't have a Bunker. few marines and a couple SCVs fall, but the Zealot and Probe of Vines die.

Second gas, two more Gateways and Robotics Facility up for Vines.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 23 2012 11:27 GMT
#704
before i read any balance whine threads, i take a look at their user icons helps a lot with filtering out what to read and what not to
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 11:28:06
May 23 2012 11:27 GMT
#705
On May 23 2012 20:19 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 20:16 tomatriedes wrote:
On May 23 2012 20:13 Witten wrote:
I thought balance whine was not allowed in LR threads? Oh yeah this is a Sc2 LR thread, carry on D:.


It's not supposed to be allowed. But apparently protoss isn't allowed to win a single PvT and if they do it's an outrage. Even if it's one of the worse TvPers in GSL losing.


What does that have to do with anything O.o Regardless of his past TvP performance, the situation in that game was pretty clear.


Better terrans like Polt and MKP could have harassed better like they're supposed to do. Ryung's drop play was not very sophisticated- he sent the two dropships without really harassing the front. Just watch how Polt does it- it's so much better. Feinting until he has a unit advantage either at the front or back and doing tons of damage and then riding that advantage to finish the game before protoss has their ideal composition. Don't tell me it's impossible because I've seen it plenty of times. Of course the map isn't easy but that doesn't mean it's impossible. And anyway, didn't you say you were going to stop whining about the match up after that series between MVP and Parting?
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
May 23 2012 11:27 GMT
#706
On May 23 2012 20:19 MCDayC wrote:
I really want Polt to go through, but it seems unlikely that he will beat Vines, his TvP isn't as unstoppable as it was a month ago.

But DayBreak so still I think Vines winning here would a great performance.
Heouf
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands787 Posts
May 23 2012 11:28 GMT
#707
Well JJakji doing really bad, to bad for him.
Gokba Alhakel
Nocteo
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium799 Posts
May 23 2012 11:30 GMT
#708
On May 23 2012 20:26 Witten wrote:
Remember how annoying Protoss was during the "sad zealot" days? That's Terran now, but worse.


Both zerg and Protoss had serious whine days. "Ultras into lose" and "Sad zealot" comes to mind.
below66
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1761 Posts
May 23 2012 11:30 GMT
#709
this curiousity will haunt me for the rest of the day.
dainbramage
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia1442 Posts
May 23 2012 11:30 GMT
#710
On May 23 2012 20:26 Witten wrote:
Remember how annoying Protoss was during the "sad zealot" days? That's Terran now, but worse.

And more hypocritical, given that a terran won the GSL all of 4 days ago...
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
May 23 2012 11:30 GMT
#711
On May 23 2012 20:26 Walitgon wrote:
Show nested quote +

You suggest terrans have to build 3 vikings for every colossus then? Do you realize, that's 450 min and 225 gas worth of units to counter 300 min/200 gas of units, and even then terrans are in disadvantage, because while vikings are killing colossi, they are killing terran ground army.


You mean the same way zergs have to do that with corrupters, and have done so for the last 2 years, AND corrupters can't land to assist in the battle immediately after??

It's not like they can immediately morph into broodlords or anything slightly related, meh assault mode, it's funny how people talk about it when it's only useful sometimes in TvT.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
May 23 2012 11:31 GMT
#712
lol Vines so unlucky.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 23 2012 11:31 GMT
#713
On May 23 2012 20:30 dainbramage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 20:26 Witten wrote:
Remember how annoying Protoss was during the "sad zealot" days? That's Terran now, but worse.

And more hypocritical, given that a terran won the GSL all of 4 days ago...

squirtle really derped in the games he lost though
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
May 23 2012 11:31 GMT
#714
Vines need to counter
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
May 23 2012 11:31 GMT
#715
phew, lucky polt theere... else it would be massacre in vines favor
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
May 23 2012 11:31 GMT
#716
On May 23 2012 20:27 KristofferAG wrote:
(P)Empire_Vines v (T)TSL_Polt

Vines: 2W 0L
Polt: 1W 1L


Map:
Dual Sight

5.00
(P)Empire_Vines is spawning as the orange Protoss in the 8 o'clock position
(T)TSL_Polt is spawning as the teal Terran in the 2 o'clock position

Single Barracks into expansion for Polt on the high ground.

Gateway-Gas-Cybercor for Vines.
Two more Barracks added on.
Warpgate tech started for Vines.

Double gas for Polt.
Nexus down on the natural of Vines.

Zealot/Stalker goes into the main of Polt as he doesn't have a Bunker. few marines and a couple SCVs fall, but the Zealot and Probe of Vines die.

Second gas, two more Gateways and Robotics Facility up for Vines.

10.00
Stimpack started for Polt.
CC flying down for Polt.

Robotics Facility down for Vines, taking another gas.
Bunker up on the natural for Polt, getting a Factory.

Another bunker down for Polt, two more Gateways for Vines.
Starport going down for Polt, taking another gas and starting +1 attack.

Colossus range started for Vines.
Polt adding on another two Barracks and getting Combat Shields.

Something funny happened and they don't want to tell us what

Another gas taken by Polt.
Gateway added on by Vines.

Quick scan to take out an Obs.
+1 armoar and Concussive Shelss started by Polt.

Vines is moving out to the right, Polt scans and sees it! He stims in and picks off the Nexus, before pulling it.
Vines is moving out now, Polt doesn't have any defense!

Polt drops the main!

@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 23 2012 11:32 GMT
#717
Poll: Recommend VINES vs. Polt?

Yes (13)
 
54%

If you have time (6)
 
25%

No (5)
 
21%

24 total votes

Your vote: Recommend VINES vs. Polt?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): If you have time
(Vote): No

ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
ActionpointTV
Profile Joined May 2011
60 Posts
May 23 2012 11:32 GMT
#718
On May 23 2012 20:26 Walitgon wrote:
Show nested quote +

You suggest terrans have to build 3 vikings for every colossus then? Do you realize, that's 450 min and 225 gas worth of units to counter 300 min/200 gas of units, and even then terrans are in disadvantage, because while vikings are killing colossi, they are killing terran ground army.


You mean the same way zergs have to do that with corrupters, and have done so for the last 2 years, AND corrupters can't land to assist in the battle immediately after??

What do you mean by "the same way as zergs"? Last time i checked terrans didn't have ability to produce 15-20 vikings at once, after building single starport. And even then, what does it have to do with how terrans deals with collossi, you do know terrans and zergs are different races?
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
May 23 2012 11:32 GMT
#719
woot Polt!
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 23 2012 11:32 GMT
#720
Fuck yeah Polt.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
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