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Shadow_Dog
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada427 Posts
May 20 2012 14:20 GMT
#6081
Protoss won every game...
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
May 20 2012 14:20 GMT
#6082
On May 20 2012 23:17 figq wrote:
An amazing list of people who lost games today:
Flash, Jaedong, Soulkey, Hydra, Zero, Leta, Effort, Calm, Bogus, Stats, firebathero, Roro, Last...


And T1 still 4-0 using pretty much our standard BW roster.

Repeat title incoming!
Alexj
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Ukraine440 Posts
May 20 2012 14:21 GMT
#6083
On May 20 2012 23:15 sharky246 wrote:
hot bid wasnt casting

He did :D
More GGs, more skill
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
May 20 2012 14:21 GMT
#6084
On May 20 2012 23:14 LloydPGM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 23:08 kratos-23 wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:06 LloydPGM wrote:
Classic TvP to finish, terran played well but you can't win a protoss with 200/200 army, so P still undefeated in this SPL. To all BW players going to play sc2, just pick protoss : easy race to master.

no Reality (T) has beaten firebathero (P)


Sry, it's just 9 - 1 for protoss in those sc2 matchs, I was 90% right.


You could still make it sound better by saying only protoss to lose was the one who didnt play it in BW.
WhosTheSmuRf
Profile Joined April 2012
United States56 Posts
May 20 2012 14:22 GMT
#6085
So can someone tell me why Bisu didn't play in either bw or sc2? Is he just not as good as his other teammates?
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 14:24:22
May 20 2012 14:22 GMT
#6086
On May 20 2012 23:18 BrosephBrostar wrote:
Now that it's all over can we agree that this was a terrible idea?
It was terrible to force them play while they are still busy learning a new game and far from finished learning it. In general, I believe it is possible to play both games very well, if they are given time to learn the new game fully beforehand.

But while they are still so busy with the learning process, the gameplay in both games is going to suffer.

On May 20 2012 23:22 WhosTheSmuRf wrote:
So can someone tell me why Bisu didn't play in either bw or sc2? Is he just not as good as his other teammates?
He was called for 3rd game in the BW set, but it finished 2-0 so he didn't actually play.

Still that means he was used for a BW set, so next time they want to use him must be for SC2.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
May 20 2012 14:22 GMT
#6087
On May 20 2012 23:19 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 23:18 BrosephBrostar wrote:
Now that it's all over can we agree that this was a terrible idea?


It's only just beginning

well.. it wasnt THAT bad..

but I agree that they should make it the last season of the old

and then make it new from the next one

mixing it up like this..

well idk
T H C makes ppl happy
tehplank
Profile Joined October 2010
977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 14:25:03
May 20 2012 14:23 GMT
#6088
On May 20 2012 23:22 WhosTheSmuRf wrote:
So can someone tell me why Bisu didn't play in either bw or sc2? Is he just not as good as his other teammates?


He was picked for the 3rd set for BW, which didn't get played because it ended in a 2-0 for his team.

edit: I hope we can see him play SC2 in their next match
Minatozaki Sana / Hirai Momo / Myoui Mina / Yoo Jeongyeon / Zhou Tzuyu / Im Nayeon / Son Chaeyoung / Kim Dahyun / Park Jihyo
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
May 20 2012 14:24 GMT
#6089
On May 20 2012 23:15 Theovide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 23:08 Plexa wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:08 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:06 Plexa wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
classic is the best SC2 terran I've seen so far, its weird.

mmm reality beats him out I think. He wasn't that impressive because you need to keep in mind his hidden base was propping up his economy and he could barely keep up with flying.


he didn't even get gas on that base till almost the end though.

Terran doesn't need gas in TvP, he needs minerals.

That's not true, in end game terran needs all the gas he can get usually. Otherwise you won't get enough ghosts and vikings (you want at least 12+ ghosts, and 2-3 vikings per collossi).

When I get to my third base I usually directly take my 2 gasses there to get up to 6, otherwise there is absolutely no way to win any fight over 160 supply unless the protoss goes a silly army composition or missmicros brutally.


That's really not true. Most lategame TvP's you see Terrans floating thousands of gas with no minerals.
I think esports is pretty nice.
cablesc
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1540 Posts
May 20 2012 14:25 GMT
#6090
On May 20 2012 23:22 WhosTheSmuRf wrote:
So can someone tell me why Bisu didn't play in either bw or sc2? Is he just not as good as his other teammates?


He was scheduled for game 3 BW but SKT won in 2. His next set will have to be SC2 though because they're alternating games.
Slayers Forever! Rip. :( - Not the eSports organizer, that's CableStarcraft.
ryx
Profile Joined March 2006
Philippines38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 14:27:44
May 20 2012 14:27 GMT
#6091
Protoss can still win with an "A-move" and is "simplest" to play at the lower levels, Zerg can still overrun everyone else if they're left alon to macro up enough, and Terran still has the weakest race without knowledge but can own all of the other races with a high enough skill ceiling... Things haven't changed that much.
***To Korea With Love***
AXygnus
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Portugal1008 Posts
May 20 2012 14:28 GMT
#6092
Watching Flash vs Effort... Even in SC2, God Young Ho is a greedy son of a bitch. CC first against Zerg, then made a 3rd one at around 4:30. Hahahaha.
"To create, to recreate. To create, to recreate. Down to the last seed, I stand with a dark stare. Still silent. Still frighteningly silent."
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
May 20 2012 14:29 GMT
#6093
On May 20 2012 23:13 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 23:08 Plexa wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:08 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:06 Plexa wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
classic is the best SC2 terran I've seen so far, its weird.

mmm reality beats him out I think. He wasn't that impressive because you need to keep in mind his hidden base was propping up his economy and he could barely keep up with flying.


he didn't even get gas on that base till almost the end though.

Terran doesn't need gas in TvP, he needs minerals.


what about for ghosts, they are heavy on gas.....by next weekend literally everyone will have practiced their vP that it will be so different.

Ghosts cost as much gas as a mutalisk. And zergs get 20 mutas and 50 banelings off 6 gasses. Terran at that stage of the game is getting 10 ghosts tops. You don't need 8 gas for that. You see those GSL Terrans floating 2500 gas late game with 0 minerals? That's cos they actually got additional unneeded gasses.

When you getting 8 marines and 6 marauders at a time, that's over 1000 minerals and 150 gas. Add in 5 ghosts? Now it's over 2000 minerals and 650 gas. Terrans don't need gas after certain upgrades are obtained. and have no good gas sink
kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
May 20 2012 14:29 GMT
#6094
Flash has to go back to his early days and cheesy all-in
Deleted User 124618
Profile Joined November 2010
1142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 14:35:29
May 20 2012 14:30 GMT
#6095
Feedback based on today:

As a SC2 fan, I feel like PL really really REALLY needs an English stream. I often use SC2 matches as background noises and when watching PL, I often suddenly noticed that match had already started a long ago. Also BW is almost unwatchable for me without English casting. I don't know who the players are, I don't know the metagame etc. In all this a caster would help, but now I'm left to just watching what happens.

This almost felt like watching random players ladder. If they had casters I could understand, it wouldn't have felt that way I think.
StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1653 Posts
May 20 2012 14:31 GMT
#6096
Link to Jaedong match? I can't find it on Esports..
AXygnus
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Portugal1008 Posts
May 20 2012 14:31 GMT
#6097
On May 20 2012 23:29 Micket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 23:13 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:08 Plexa wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:08 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:06 Plexa wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
classic is the best SC2 terran I've seen so far, its weird.

mmm reality beats him out I think. He wasn't that impressive because you need to keep in mind his hidden base was propping up his economy and he could barely keep up with flying.


he didn't even get gas on that base till almost the end though.

Terran doesn't need gas in TvP, he needs minerals.


what about for ghosts, they are heavy on gas.....by next weekend literally everyone will have practiced their vP that it will be so different.

Ghosts cost as much gas as a mutalisk. And zergs get 20 mutas and 50 banelings off 6 gasses. Terran at that stage of the game is getting 10 ghosts tops. You don't need 8 gas for that. You see those GSL Terrans floating 2500 gas late game with 0 minerals? That's cos they actually got additional unneeded gasses.

When you getting 8 marines and 6 marauders at a time, that's over 1000 minerals and 150 gas. Add in 5 ghosts? Now it's over 2000 minerals and 650 gas. Terrans don't need gas after certain upgrades are obtained. and have no good gas sink


Ravens are pretty good, but the thing is they're easily countered and they take up Starports...
"To create, to recreate. To create, to recreate. Down to the last seed, I stand with a dark stare. Still silent. Still frighteningly silent."
`dunedain
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
657 Posts
May 20 2012 14:33 GMT
#6098
On May 20 2012 23:16 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 23:13 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:08 Plexa wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:08 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:06 Plexa wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
classic is the best SC2 terran I've seen so far, its weird.

mmm reality beats him out I think. He wasn't that impressive because you need to keep in mind his hidden base was propping up his economy and he could barely keep up with flying.


he didn't even get gas on that base till almost the end though.

Terran doesn't need gas in TvP, he needs minerals.


what about for ghosts, they are heavy on gas.....by next weekend literally everyone will have practiced their vP that it will be so different.

Actually, when ghosts went from 100/200 to 150/150 some terran players called it a nerf because they now cost more minerals (which took away from the terrans core army). 4 gases (main/nat) is enough for 3 bases of minerals


Actually ghosts cost 200/100 now, not 150/150.
Quite a big mineral nerf.
"In order to be created, a work of art must first make use of the dark forces of the soul." ~Albert Camus
CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 14:36:31
May 20 2012 14:34 GMT
#6099
On May 20 2012 23:30 Greentellon wrote:
Feedback based on today:

As a SC2 fan, I feel like PS really really REALLY needs an English stream. I often use SC2 matches as background noises and when watching PL, I often suddenly noticed that match had already started a long ago. Also BW is almost unwatchable for me without English casting. I don't know who the players are, I don't know the metagame etc. In all this a caster would help, but now I'm left to just watching what happens.

This almost felt like watching random players ladder. If they had casters I could understand, it wouldn't have felt that way I think.


Dude watch a restream. Sayle's is pretty good. The other ones won't be bad either. Kespa allows restreams


At least Effort and Best won. The rest was kinda anti climactic
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
May 20 2012 14:34 GMT
#6100
On May 20 2012 23:29 Micket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 23:13 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:08 Plexa wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:08 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:06 Plexa wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
classic is the best SC2 terran I've seen so far, its weird.

mmm reality beats him out I think. He wasn't that impressive because you need to keep in mind his hidden base was propping up his economy and he could barely keep up with flying.


he didn't even get gas on that base till almost the end though.

Terran doesn't need gas in TvP, he needs minerals.


what about for ghosts, they are heavy on gas.....by next weekend literally everyone will have practiced their vP that it will be so different.

Ghosts cost as much gas as a mutalisk. And zergs get 20 mutas and 50 banelings off 6 gasses. Terran at that stage of the game is getting 10 ghosts tops. You don't need 8 gas for that. You see those GSL Terrans floating 2500 gas late game with 0 minerals? That's cos they actually got additional unneeded gasses.

When you getting 8 marines and 6 marauders at a time, that's over 1000 minerals and 150 gas. Add in 5 ghosts? Now it's over 2000 minerals and 650 gas. Terrans don't need gas after certain upgrades are obtained. and have no good gas sink

Maybe they should go for 20 ghosts and 15 vikings as Empire.Happy does... Last time I saw him doing this he stomped the protoss army pretty badly
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