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Lockitupv2
Profile Joined March 2012
United States496 Posts
May 20 2012 15:40 GMT
#6121
Who won this
firebathero < Entombed Valley > Reality

It doesnt say in the OP, neither is bold.
That's right folks, I definitely heard an ethnic twang in that voice, so everyone put your guesses on the screen. It's everyone's favorite game, it's Guess the Minority!!!
ryx
Profile Joined March 2006
Philippines38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 15:54:56
May 20 2012 15:41 GMT
#6122
On May 21 2012 00:32 Saechiis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 00:12 Durp wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:27 ryx wrote:
Protoss can still win with an "A-move" and is "simplest" to play at the lower levels, Zerg can still overrun everyone else if they're left alon to macro up enough, and Terran still has the weakest race without knowledge but can own all of the other races with a high enough skill ceiling... Things haven't changed that much.

This is a stupid, incorrect mindset.

Here's a newsflash, at the lower levels, ANY race can "A-MOVE" to wins, because the lower levels are filled with poor macro, and a larger army alone will win games.

There are countless discussions, threads, and vods of players sitting at home massing probes/drones etc and then moving out with no micro at all. In fact, there was a thread about a guy making masters league only 1-aing mass stalker, without ever microing, ever.

The lower level problems aren't the race, it's the quality of player. In the lower levels, no race is "simple," or those players would be out of bronze league.

Please do not bring your balance whine into these threads.


Obviously we're not talking about bronze noobs here. These are still high masters players on KR with GM level macro and map awareness. When Protoss players go 9-1 amongst a relatively new player base I think that definitely shows something about the initial learning curves of the races. I definitely think those stats are going to even out when the Zerg and Terran players get better though.


Agreed. That's kinda all I was trying to get at. As it is, assuming that all of these players have near-impeccable mechanics (which they all kinda do), it seems that Toss is easiest to play for them right now. It's important to note that these Toss players are smart enough to use ff's properly and to get their AoE damage out quick and enough not to get crushed by Terrans with stim timings/drops too btw. Shows you that these guys are kinda special cuz they skipped that Gold-Plat level play weakness haha I REALLY hope that all of the Pros don't switch to Toss all of a sudden just cuz they want to get better faster. We really need a lot of good zergs to start playing and also I don't want Toss to get nerfed cuz of the Proleagues :D The Terrans will catch up fast.
***To Korea With Love***
Weemoed
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands741 Posts
May 20 2012 15:43 GMT
#6123
On May 21 2012 00:40 Lockitupv2 wrote:
Who won this
firebathero < Entombed Valley > Reality

It doesnt say in the OP, neither is bold.


Reality won.
Bring me to space, and let me wander there forever
Clafou
Profile Joined November 2010
Belgium921 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 15:44:25
May 20 2012 15:44 GMT
#6124
On May 21 2012 00:40 Lockitupv2 wrote:
Who won this
firebathero < Entombed Valley > Reality

It doesnt say in the OP, neither is bold.



Reality won. Like IRL.

Edit : Ninja'd
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
May 20 2012 15:52 GMT
#6125
Any recommended games?

I've watched JD vs Sun, Flash vs Effort, FBH vs Reality, Effort vs Motive and Roro vs Stardust. Any other recommended games?

And based on today's games, does anyone really look like a really good SC2 player at the moment (looks like Effort and Motive are like really good)
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AXygnus
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Portugal1008 Posts
May 20 2012 15:54 GMT
#6126
On May 21 2012 00:52 pdd wrote:
Any recommended games?

I've watched JD vs Sun, Flash vs Effort, FBH vs Reality, Effort vs Motive and Roro vs Stardust. Any other recommended games?

And based on today's games, does anyone really look like a really good SC2 player at the moment (looks like Effort and Motive are like really good)


You could check the SPL threads in the BW section, they have ratings for every game, I think. At least SKT vs T8 does.
"To create, to recreate. To create, to recreate. Down to the last seed, I stand with a dark stare. Still silent. Still frighteningly silent."
Baozer
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden159 Posts
May 20 2012 15:55 GMT
#6127
Looks like protoss is the most easy race to adapt to!
Ollie
Profile Joined October 2011
United States144 Posts
May 20 2012 15:58 GMT
#6128
On May 21 2012 00:52 pdd wrote:
Any recommended games?

I've watched JD vs Sun, Flash vs Effort, FBH vs Reality, Effort vs Motive and Roro vs Stardust. Any other recommended games?

And based on today's games, does anyone really look like a really good SC2 player at the moment (looks like Effort and Motive are like really good)


JangBi looked rather strong. Soulkey also seemed to know the game pretty well, he just made some wrong decisions in a base trade.
Oz | HerO | Creator | Stork | DRG | Soulkey | Jaedong | Sniper | Byun | TaeJa | Fantasy
Arc1
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland849 Posts
May 20 2012 15:59 GMT
#6129
On May 21 2012 00:52 pdd wrote:
Any recommended games?

I've watched JD vs Sun, Flash vs Effort, FBH vs Reality, Effort vs Motive and Roro vs Stardust. Any other recommended games?

And based on today's games, does anyone really look like a really good SC2 player at the moment (looks like Effort and Motive are like really good)


I liked Iris vs JangBi.
Nothing to add.
Zheega
Profile Joined June 2011
Slovenia180 Posts
May 20 2012 16:00 GMT
#6130
Protoss is just good late-game and has to be properly countered - or picked apart in mid-game. And protoss players know that they have a better chance late-game so they play passive.

Anyway, are there any natizen reactions yet?
JSy
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
149 Posts
May 20 2012 16:11 GMT
#6131
The VODs not being in order on http://www.youtube.com/esportstv was annoying me. Here they are in order and spoiler-free.

SK Telecom T1 vs Team 8

1st half. Brood War

Fantasy (T) vs Jaehoon (P) on Neo Jade
n.Die_soO (Z) vs Sea (T) on Neo Ground Zero
Bisu (P) vs Movie (P) on Neo Electric Circuit

2nd half. StarCraft 2

BeSt (P) vs Sang (aka terminator) (P) on Entombed Valley
Rain (aka By.Sun) (P) vs Jaedong (Z) on Ohana
YeOngJae (T) vs BaBy (T) on Antiga Shipyard
Ace match
+ Show Spoiler +
not played

___

CJ Entus vs KT

1st half. Brood War

Horang2 (P) vs Stats (P) on Neo Jade
Leta (T) vs Wooki (P) on Neo Ground Zero
Hydra (Z) vs Crazy-Hydra (Z) on Neo Electric Circuit

2nd half. StarCraft 2

BByong (T) vs Motive (P) on Entombed Valley
herO(jOin) (P) vs BarrackS (T) on Ohana
EffOrt (Z) vs Flash (T) on Antiga Shipyard
Ace match
+ Show Spoiler +
EffOrt (Z) vs Motive (P) on Cloud Kingdom

___

Air Force ACE vs Samsung KHAN

1st half. Brood War

Great (Z) vs Juni (Z) on Neo Ground Zero
Kal (P) vs TurN (T) on New Sniper Ridge
Peace (Z) vs Stork (P) on Neo Jade


2nd half. StarCraft 2

StarDust (P) vs Roro (Z) on Ohana
Iris (T) vs Jangbi (P) on Cloud Kingdom
firebathero (P) vs Reality (T) on Entombed Valley
Ace match
+ Show Spoiler +
not played

___

STX Soul vs Woongjin Stars

1st half. Brood War

Calm (Z) vs Light (T) on Neo Ground Zero
mini (P) vs Zero (Z) on New Sniper Ridge
Last (T) vs free (P) on Neo Jade

2nd half. StarCraft 2

Bogus (T) vs sHy (P) on Ohana
Trap (P) vs Neo.G_Soulkey (Z) on Cloud Kingdom
Classic (T) vs Flying (P) on Entombed Valley
Ace match
+ Show Spoiler +
not played
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
May 20 2012 16:13 GMT
#6132
Are the vods uploaded on esportstv yet?
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
roymarthyup
Profile Joined April 2010
1442 Posts
May 20 2012 16:57 GMT
#6133
wait is it true that kespa essentially told the players to please do a no-rush style in their sc2 games?


that might explain why flash went super fast 3cc against effort
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
May 20 2012 17:00 GMT
#6134
On May 21 2012 01:13 Steveling wrote:
Are the vods uploaded on esportstv yet?

look at the post above yours, someone put them all up nicely for you
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 20 2012 17:02 GMT
#6135
On May 21 2012 01:57 roymarthyup wrote:
wait is it true that kespa essentially told the players to please do a no-rush style in their sc2 games?


that might explain why flash went super fast 3cc against effort



You really believe that kind of rumor man?

On another note, very impressive how good these guys are given the amount of time they've played. I was particularly impressed with some of the decision-making, like when they would retreat from a fight to retain their advantage rather than pressing forward in an unwinnable fight.
Diizzy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States828 Posts
May 20 2012 17:04 GMT
#6136
On May 21 2012 01:57 roymarthyup wrote:
wait is it true that kespa essentially told the players to please do a no-rush style in their sc2 games?


that might explain why flash went super fast 3cc against effort


lol yea the first sc2 game was pretty much a 1 base rush. i doubt they told players to do that. its just broodwar players favor macro games more than all-in/cheese.
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
May 20 2012 17:09 GMT
#6137
Gotta give these guys credit. They are playing two games competitively at the same time, yet everyone bashes them like they are diamond players.
sheaRZerg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States613 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 17:09:55
May 20 2012 17:09 GMT
#6138
Wow...these guys weren't kidding when they said they thought protoss was strong in sc2.

Every ZvP I saw the zerg decides to try to base race whenever protoss attacks :/
"Dude, just don't listen to what I say; listen to what I mean." -Sean Plott
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
May 20 2012 17:10 GMT
#6139
On May 21 2012 02:04 Diizzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 01:57 roymarthyup wrote:
wait is it true that kespa essentially told the players to please do a no-rush style in their sc2 games?


that might explain why flash went super fast 3cc against effort


lol yea the first sc2 game was pretty much a 1 base rush. i doubt they told players to do that. its just broodwar players favor macro games more than all-in/cheese.


Cheeses tend to be better when you know your opponent. If you have no idea what to expect, the normal thinking is to play standard. For example, every single protoss I believe went robo quickly, for that quick observer for a very safe style. Whereas you see a lot of tosses skipping them in GSL and foreign tournament. And it's also the same in BW when protosses play. But in a new, unfamiliar situation, the players felt they should play safe rather than risky.

Of course, given the protoss imba so far, I wouldn't be surprised to see some 2Rax and 111 play in the near future.
Meh
ppdealer
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada163 Posts
May 20 2012 17:18 GMT
#6140
On May 21 2012 01:11 JSy wrote:
The VODs not being in order on http://www.youtube.com/esportstv was annoying me. Here they are in order and spoiler-free.

SK Telecom T1 vs Team 8

1st half. Brood War

Fantasy (T) vs Jaehoon (P) on Neo Jade
n.Die_soO (Z) vs Sea (T) on Neo Ground Zero
Bisu (P) vs Movie (P) on Neo Electric Circuit

2nd half. StarCraft 2

BeSt (P) vs Sang (aka terminator) (P) on Entombed Valley
Rain (aka By.Sun) (P) vs Jaedong (Z) on Ohana
YeOngJae (T) vs BaBy (T) on Antiga Shipyard
Ace match
+ Show Spoiler +
not played

___

CJ Entus vs KT

1st half. Brood War

Horang2 (P) vs Stats (P) on Neo Jade
Leta (T) vs Wooki (P) on Neo Ground Zero
Hydra (Z) vs Crazy-Hydra (Z) on Neo Electric Circuit

2nd half. StarCraft 2

BByong (T) vs Motive (P) on Entombed Valley
herO(jOin) (P) vs BarrackS (T) on Ohana
EffOrt (Z) vs Flash (T) on Antiga Shipyard
Ace match
+ Show Spoiler +
EffOrt (Z) vs Motive (P) on Cloud Kingdom

___

Air Force ACE vs Samsung KHAN

1st half. Brood War

Great (Z) vs Juni (Z) on Neo Ground Zero
Kal (P) vs TurN (T) on New Sniper Ridge
Peace (Z) vs Stork (P) on Neo Jade


2nd half. StarCraft 2

StarDust (P) vs Roro (Z) on Ohana
Iris (T) vs Jangbi (P) on Cloud Kingdom
firebathero (P) vs Reality (T) on Entombed Valley
Ace match
+ Show Spoiler +
not played

___

STX Soul vs Woongjin Stars

1st half. Brood War

Calm (Z) vs Light (T) on Neo Ground Zero
mini (P) vs Zero (Z) on New Sniper Ridge
Last (T) vs free (P) on Neo Jade

2nd half. StarCraft 2

Bogus (T) vs sHy (P) on Ohana
Trap (P) vs Neo.G_Soulkey (Z) on Cloud Kingdom
Classic (T) vs Flying (P) on Entombed Valley
Ace match
+ Show Spoiler +
not played


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