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opterown
Australia54785 Posts
On May 15 2012 20:40 Thrombozyt wrote: I'm very sure that the barracks wasn't the trigger. He floated the top OL to the natural at the same time, saw no expand and smelled the all-in. dem ferrarilords op | ||
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milesfacade
United Kingdom799 Posts
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Jlei
97 Posts
On May 15 2012 20:42 Pure-SC2 wrote: I feel like Leenock hasn't been able to regain his dominance from a few months ago, while alive has been consistently strong (though does still have derp days). I put my LB on alive. He's Zerg under the new patch. He will win. | ||
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
On May 15 2012 20:42 Pure-SC2 wrote: I feel like Leenock hasn't been able to regain his dominance from a few months ago, while alive has been consistently strong (though does still have derp days). I put my LB on alive. Eh, Leenock should win this. He's still top TvZ while Alive is average TvZ | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
LOL!!!!!!!! Anyways Leenock should take this 2-0. | ||
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tns
1054 Posts
b4p did not listen to khaldor  "FLANK!" | ||
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On May 15 2012 20:40 samurai80 wrote: Usual LR stuff : protoss or zerg losing : they played bad/sloppy terran losing : patch incriminated Jjakji is a great player but he didn't play at his best here whereas Symbol was just very strong. And for what I've seen in IronSquid, he was just better than Jjakji here, that's it. If Jjakji played at his best (close to MMA TvZ imo), he would have won like MMA did. You must be new here  I think Jjakji's build wasn't too good. Symbol made those 3 spines because he did not see an expansion (despite scouting most of the places where it would have been). It is worrying to see that Symbol was pushing creep while hellions were actively trying to deny it. Jjakji lost 2 hellions and killed 0 tumors (the first tumor to die fell to 2 scv's he brought with his push). | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On May 15 2012 20:36 SergioCQH wrote: TvZ early game is harder since the patch, with all-ins more easily scouted by faster overlords and more easily held by queens with greater range. So Jjakji decides to go for an all-in dependent on scouting denial. It's far harder to deny creep spread and the resulting map control that allows for the massive economy explosion into the already superior late game so an early all in isn't such a bad idea. Kind of bad all in, but there you go. I'm sure Terrans will figure something out. Or I hope they will. But it's a bit much to expect them to figure it out all that quickly when the entire game plan has been to take map control early to stop the economy explosion and creep spread, which is now very difficult. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
you cant even be sure if they scouted you because all u see is a flare that you cant even see if u blink in the wrong moment | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On May 15 2012 20:39 Tsubbi wrote: no need to do damage with anything, just pressure, scouting info etc while macroing I guess we'll have to agree to disagree as usual =p I just feel if you're holding off hellion/banshee with queens (0 larva) and a few spores you're in such a good position. T won't do anything outside of macro up till trying to hit a 2-2 timing before Hive, they can't really be aggressive once their early harass is shut down since none of the units make up the core army, and the Z is free to use any extra queens built to just dominate the map with creep. It's a stable build, but if you don't get anything out of it you just end up relying on small timing window to hit before you're dealing with a lategame onslaught. I'm interested to see if aLive does the 1 rax -> 5/6 rax builds that he did vs NesTea a lot at iron squid rather than a hellion build. Seemed an interesting way to still put on midgame pressure, but vulnerable if the zerg gets a good read on it. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
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Ausfailia
Australia123 Posts
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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Sea_Food
Finland1612 Posts
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
All that prep time  | ||
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Soyuz
Hong Kong996 Posts
On May 15 2012 20:40 samurai80 wrote: Usual LR stuff : protoss or zerg losing : they played bad/sloppy terran losing : patch incriminated Jjakji is a great player but he didn't play at his best here whereas Symbol was just very strong. And for what I've seen in IronSquid, he was just better than Jjakji here, that's it. If Jjakji played at his best (close to MMA TvZ imo), he would have won like MMA did. Well you can't blame that type of response, P and Z have been buffed quite a lot recently, while T has honestly become weaker and weaker with every patch. Hopefully we find something new, turns out finding out about ghosts was bad. | ||
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