• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:29
CEST 05:29
KST 12:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202538Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments3[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced55BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams11
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins EWC 2025 The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Interview with Chris "ChanmanV" Chan Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 Classic: "It's a thick wall to break through to become world champ"
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars
Brood War
General
Nobody gona talk about this year crazy qualifiers? [BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder How do the new Battle.net ranks translate? BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread 9/11 Anniversary Possible Al Qaeda Attack on 9/11 Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 537 users

[Code A] RO24 Day 1 GSL 2012 Season 2 - Page 38

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 36 37 38 39 40 53 Next
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 15 2012 11:43 GMT
#741
On May 15 2012 20:40 Thrombozyt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 20:35 FreudianTrip wrote:
That 3 Spine response from seeing a single Barracks is one of the coolest reads I've seen.


I'm very sure that the barracks wasn't the trigger. He floated the top OL to the natural at the same time, saw no expand and smelled the all-in.


dem ferrarilords op
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
milesfacade
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom799 Posts
May 15 2012 11:43 GMT
#742
Alive's tvz was poor pre-patch so I expect the patch has only increased the chances of a leenock 2-0.
Jlei
Profile Joined November 2011
97 Posts
May 15 2012 11:43 GMT
#743
On May 15 2012 20:42 Pure-SC2 wrote:
I feel like Leenock hasn't been able to regain his dominance from a few months ago, while alive has been consistently strong (though does still have derp days).

I put my LB on alive.


He's Zerg under the new patch. He will win.
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
May 15 2012 11:43 GMT
#744
On May 15 2012 20:42 Pure-SC2 wrote:
I feel like Leenock hasn't been able to regain his dominance from a few months ago, while alive has been consistently strong (though does still have derp days).

I put my LB on alive.


Eh, Leenock should win this. He's still top TvZ while Alive is average TvZ
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
May 15 2012 11:44 GMT
#745
On May 15 2012 20:43 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 20:40 Thrombozyt wrote:
On May 15 2012 20:35 FreudianTrip wrote:
That 3 Spine response from seeing a single Barracks is one of the coolest reads I've seen.


I'm very sure that the barracks wasn't the trigger. He floated the top OL to the natural at the same time, saw no expand and smelled the all-in.


dem ferrarilords op


LOL!!!!!!!! Anyways Leenock should take this 2-0.
Play your best
tns
Profile Joined June 2011
1054 Posts
May 15 2012 11:44 GMT
#746
TvZ is now : zerg knows everything... all ins terran are done, how will Mvp win now >o<

b4p did not listen to khaldor "FLANK!"
firebathero miss u♥! http://youtu.be/AXkoG9GnpcM - 1998/11/30 to 2001/05/18 BW stabilized! - WoL v.alpha HotS v.beta LotD v.gamma... summer 2017 SC3 (sc1remastered)
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
May 15 2012 11:45 GMT
#747
Go alive lol. Nobody sane believes in you, but let's see.
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
May 15 2012 11:45 GMT
#748
On May 15 2012 20:40 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 20:33 vndods wrote:
On May 15 2012 20:33 GreyKnight wrote:
That sort of push is just crappy...did jjakji give up or something. 1base tvz all ins are just crap now.

TvZ is hard since the patch.

Usual LR stuff :
protoss or zerg losing : they played bad/sloppy
terran losing : patch incriminated

Jjakji is a great player but he didn't play at his best here whereas Symbol was just very strong. And for what I've seen in IronSquid, he was just better than Jjakji here, that's it. If Jjakji played at his best (close to MMA TvZ imo), he would have won like MMA did.



You must be new here

I think Jjakji's build wasn't too good. Symbol made those 3 spines because he did not see an expansion (despite scouting most of the places where it would have been).

It is worrying to see that Symbol was pushing creep while hellions were actively trying to deny it. Jjakji lost 2 hellions and killed 0 tumors (the first tumor to die fell to 2 scv's he brought with his push).
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-15 11:46:53
May 15 2012 11:45 GMT
#749
On May 15 2012 20:36 SergioCQH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 20:33 vndods wrote:
On May 15 2012 20:33 GreyKnight wrote:
That sort of push is just crappy...did jjakji give up or something. 1base tvz all ins are just crap now.

TvZ is hard since the patch.


TvZ early game is harder since the patch, with all-ins more easily scouted by faster overlords and more easily held by queens with greater range. So Jjakji decides to go for an all-in dependent on scouting denial.

It's far harder to deny creep spread and the resulting map control that allows for the massive economy explosion into the already superior late game so an early all in isn't such a bad idea. Kind of bad all in, but there you go.

I'm sure Terrans will figure something out. Or I hope they will. But it's a bit much to expect them to figure it out all that quickly when the entire game plan has been to take map control early to stop the economy explosion and creep spread, which is now very difficult.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
May 15 2012 11:45 GMT
#750
On May 15 2012 20:43 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 20:40 Thrombozyt wrote:
On May 15 2012 20:35 FreudianTrip wrote:
That 3 Spine response from seeing a single Barracks is one of the coolest reads I've seen.


I'm very sure that the barracks wasn't the trigger. He floated the top OL to the natural at the same time, saw no expand and smelled the all-in.


dem ferrarilords op

you cant even be sure if they scouted you because all u see is a flare that you cant even see if u blink in the wrong moment
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-15 11:47:39
May 15 2012 11:46 GMT
#751
On May 15 2012 20:39 Tsubbi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 20:37 Asha` wrote:
On May 15 2012 20:35 Tsubbi wrote:
why do a push like that now that zerg defense is a bit better, just continue playing 3 orbital hellion banshee builds


More incentive to make queens now and they wreck triple orbital hellion/banshee. I do think it's more sensible to still hope they mess up defending that than to risk it all on a one base push though.

Still, Symbol is a great addition to Code S and Jjakji should be able to make it back through the up and downs.


no need to do damage with anything, just pressure, scouting info etc while macroing


I guess we'll have to agree to disagree as usual =p

I just feel if you're holding off hellion/banshee with queens (0 larva) and a few spores you're in such a good position. T won't do anything outside of macro up till trying to hit a 2-2 timing before Hive, they can't really be aggressive once their early harass is shut down since none of the units make up the core army, and the Z is free to use any extra queens built to just dominate the map with creep.

It's a stable build, but if you don't get anything out of it you just end up relying on small timing window to hit before you're dealing with a lategame onslaught.

I'm interested to see if aLive does the 1 rax -> 5/6 rax builds that he did vs NesTea a lot at iron squid rather than a hellion build. Seemed an interesting way to still put on midgame pressure, but vulnerable if the zerg gets a good read on it.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
May 15 2012 11:46 GMT
#752
"U sixpoll?"
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
May 15 2012 11:47 GMT
#753
Leenock going full retard
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
Ausfailia
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia123 Posts
May 15 2012 11:47 GMT
#754
Expecting leenock to win, but aLive's TvZ isn't too shabby - should be a good series.
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
May 15 2012 11:47 GMT
#755
Gogo Leenock.
Liquipedia"Expert"
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-15 11:47:35
May 15 2012 11:47 GMT
#756
Lol 6pool
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
May 15 2012 11:47 GMT
#757
omg pulling an idra
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
May 15 2012 11:47 GMT
#758
you 6pool?
Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
May 15 2012 11:47 GMT
#759
Leenock wants to prove he doesn't need the new queens.

All that prep time
"Every time I visit community sites, I'm just embarrassed. There's so much witch hunting and name calling and arguing and gossip. Misogynist comments against women. It's just embarrassing." – Tasteless
Soyuz
Profile Joined July 2011
Hong Kong996 Posts
May 15 2012 11:47 GMT
#760
On May 15 2012 20:40 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 20:33 vndods wrote:
On May 15 2012 20:33 GreyKnight wrote:
That sort of push is just crappy...did jjakji give up or something. 1base tvz all ins are just crap now.

TvZ is hard since the patch.

Usual LR stuff :
protoss or zerg losing : they played bad/sloppy
terran losing : patch incriminated

Jjakji is a great player but he didn't play at his best here whereas Symbol was just very strong. And for what I've seen in IronSquid, he was just better than Jjakji here, that's it. If Jjakji played at his best (close to MMA TvZ imo), he would have won like MMA did.



Well you can't blame that type of response, P and Z have been buffed quite a lot recently, while T has honestly become weaker and weaker with every patch.

Hopefully we find something new, turns out finding out about ghosts was bad.
Prev 1 36 37 38 39 40 53 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 7h 31m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 180
SpeCial 57
StarCraft: Brood War
ggaemo 124
NaDa 68
Sexy 47
Bale 37
Icarus 10
Dota 2
monkeys_forever1159
League of Legends
JimRising 723
febbydoto10
Counter-Strike
semphis_27
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor184
Other Games
summit1g10900
shahzam2072
ViBE231
Maynarde137
Livibee98
NeuroSwarm92
RuFF_SC260
WinterStarcraft29
JuggernautJason25
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1207
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH204
• Hupsaiya 72
• practicex 23
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 202
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift5751
• Rush1256
• Lourlo588
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
7h 31m
OSC
20h 31m
Stormgate Nexus
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
LiuLi Cup
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
HCC Europe
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.