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[Code S] "The Chosen 8" 2012 GSL Season 2 Day 2 - Page 94

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Altern
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1053 Posts
May 03 2012 11:39 GMT
#1861
We've had plenty of TvT's, one ZvZ (Nestea v Losira) and now we might get a PvP finals!
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
May 03 2012 11:40 GMT
#1862
On May 03 2012 20:37 GodOfWar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 20:33 Talin wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:30 Arceus wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:29 Talin wrote:
Can't wait for HerO to destroy this guy.

ppl claim that Squirtle got a 100% PvP. And hes really that good in mirror


And none of the Ps he beat were HerO (since like a year ago). Hero's fundamentals are way better, as long as he doesn't get mindfucked by builds it won't even be close. Squirtle can't even land a freaking forcefield. -_-


dont fool yourself, Squirtle has best PvP right now, he owned MC, Oz etc...

Just another step to the throne.


And that matters now ? I mean do they play right now ? Nope so let's save these "Facts" for after the game, i like to see HerO get time to prepare aswell and then hit it off against Squirtle doing the same.
After the results we can say who's got the better pvp, for now it's impossible to say.
noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
May 03 2012 11:40 GMT
#1863
MVP will lose in a painful way and the finals will be a pure build order poker between squirtle and parting
at least mvp will be remembered in patch notes :x
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
May 03 2012 11:40 GMT
#1864
On May 03 2012 20:38 sc2holar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 20:33 Jaegeru wrote:
Most likely going to be a PvP finals, this is going to be the worst GSL final ever.

PvP is a good matchup nowdays, get with the times.

It's still the worst mu in sc2 by a decent margin...
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
May 03 2012 11:40 GMT
#1865
legend of the spring imo
post to be
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 03 2012 11:40 GMT
#1866
I'm still laughing to myself about how some posters were saying Mvp is playing bad this season yet he's the last Terran alive.

Ro4 should be really good.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
May 03 2012 11:40 GMT
#1867
On May 03 2012 20:38 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 20:36 Doublemint wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:33 Spiner wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:30 Doublemint wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:28 Azzur wrote:
Terran 0-6 today


A good day it was

But I am astonished how Taeja let the last game slip out of his hands - baserace should have favored him quite a bit.


How would the basetrade favor taeja? Squirtle had the better army and has forcfields to block ramps.


He had OC, production and almost even worker count, while Squirtle had a better army but had to rebuild practically everything - you tell me?

Yeah, Taeja messed up pretty badly. If he'd just played it out somewhat normally and macro'd up he'd have been fine. Squirtle was the one who should have been on a clock, but Taeja was giving him defenders advantage.

I think he just didn't realise he was actually ahead until it was too late.


yeah, that medivac dropping one marine... he really wanted to know whether or not it was 2base or 1base;
I really dislike how he did neither scan, nor use supply drop, but was banking up 3 mules while half of his SCVs were idle and waiting for more money to build more depots
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
May 03 2012 11:40 GMT
#1868
On May 03 2012 20:37 Ktk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 20:33 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:24 SolidMustard wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:18 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:16 SolidMustard wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:12 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:10 SolidMustard wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:04 CursivE wrote:
I love how when MKP or MVP win it's because they are beasts (which they are) but when Toss wins it's all thinly veiled balance whine. HerO and Squirtle are both in boss mode lately, it's got little to do with balance.


Dude... Hero and Squirtle are good, but look at the whole picture of this season of Code S :
- Ro32: 7/10 protoss make it through vs. 7/15 for terran
- Ro16: 5/7 protoss vs. 3/7 terran with a protoss taking first place in all groups
- Ro8: all protoss win except Naniwa who played against the most successful player in the history of sc2 and GSL.

That doesn't mean all these protoss players are unskilled or don't deserve, but it's being blind to affirm there is not a balance problem.

(And I don't even mention the misery that is zerg right now)


Then explain to me this:

Edit: Whoops, wrong stat. Let's try this again.

http://www.gomtv.net/records/index.gom?searchType=3&race=T&vsrace=P&season=2012&leaguetype=20&leagueid=27062&gamever=0&mapid=0


I'm (obviously) talking about the current state of the game. What happened with different patches and different metagames is entirely irrelevant to consider current balance. The recent Code S seasons, on the other end, are THE most relevant data.


Yeah, man. The updated stats are THIS season of the GSL.


The set score is pretty even, and it wouldn't be if it wasn't for the Code A matches (which I consider less relevant than code S)

Also, watch for season 1 : 60% set wins for Protoss vs T
http://www.gomtv.net/records/index.gom?searchType=3&race=P&vsrace=T&season=2012&leaguetype=20&leagueid=27060&gamever=1.4.3&mapid=0

So, please...


Why should Code A be less relevant than Code S, though? I mean, I agree that it's a bit less relevant, but it's still the GSL. I fail to see what the problem is if there are about 6-7 tip-top Protoss players looking extremely strong while a ton of weaker Tosses fall in Code A, which is, I might add, still a ridiculously high-level tournament.

Oh, and you might want to take a closer look at what you linked before you talk about stats. I'll let you figure out your mistake. Here's a big hint

http://www.gomtv.net/records/index.gom?searchType=3&race=P&vsrace=T&season=2012&leaguetype=20&leagueid=27060&gamever=1.4.2&mapid=0


Check out the maps on your own stats.
Top 3 for Terran are:
Calm before the storm 4-0
Crossfire 7-2
TDA 2-1

Top 3 for Protoss are
Daybreak 72.2%( 13 W / 5 L )
Metropolis 66.7%( 6 W / 3 L )
ESV_Cloud Kingdom 57.1%( 4 W / 3 L )

You can see all the Terran favored maps are phased out meaning those are legacy wins. They don't really win like that anymore.


Uhhh... you can talk about maps all you want, but the fact is that the winrates are still near 50-50 in PvT. -_-;;
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 03 2012 11:40 GMT
#1869
On May 03 2012 20:40 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 20:38 sc2holar wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:33 Jaegeru wrote:
Most likely going to be a PvP finals, this is going to be the worst GSL final ever.

PvP is a good matchup nowdays, get with the times.

It's still the worst mu in sc2 by a decent margin...

ZvZ wants a word with you.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
May 03 2012 11:41 GMT
#1870
On May 03 2012 20:40 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 20:38 sc2holar wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:33 Jaegeru wrote:
Most likely going to be a PvP finals, this is going to be the worst GSL final ever.

PvP is a good matchup nowdays, get with the times.

It's still the worst mu in sc2 by a decent margin...

Well, there is ZvZ. . .it's pretty close these days, I'd say.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
May 03 2012 11:41 GMT
#1871
On May 03 2012 20:24 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
watching terrans die to protoss is depressing :3 awesome :D


There, fixed it for ya!
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 11:41:51
May 03 2012 11:41 GMT
#1872
On May 03 2012 20:40 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 20:40 Scarecrow wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:38 sc2holar wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:33 Jaegeru wrote:
Most likely going to be a PvP finals, this is going to be the worst GSL final ever.

PvP is a good matchup nowdays, get with the times.

It's still the worst mu in sc2 by a decent margin...

ZvZ wants a word with you.


ZvZ is miles better than PvP? :O

Just watch some of the awesome series from the EWM recently <3
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
May 03 2012 11:41 GMT
#1873
On May 03 2012 20:39 Amlitzer wrote:
If we end up with a PvP finals it will be the death of GOM. The only good that could come from it is hopefully blizzard will get their act together and stop needlessly buffing them already.


Pffft, people were saying the same when it was GomTvTvT and Gom is still fine.

"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
May 03 2012 11:41 GMT
#1874
On May 03 2012 20:40 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 20:37 GodOfWar wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:33 Talin wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:30 Arceus wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:29 Talin wrote:
Can't wait for HerO to destroy this guy.

ppl claim that Squirtle got a 100% PvP. And hes really that good in mirror


And none of the Ps he beat were HerO (since like a year ago). Hero's fundamentals are way better, as long as he doesn't get mindfucked by builds it won't even be close. Squirtle can't even land a freaking forcefield. -_-


dont fool yourself, Squirtle has best PvP right now, he owned MC, Oz etc...

Just another step to the throne.


And that matters now ? I mean do they play right now ? Nope so let's save these "Facts" for after the game, i like to see HerO get time to prepare aswell and then hit it off against Squirtle doing the same.
After the results we can say who's got the better pvp, for now it's impossible to say.


Pretty sure Squirtle is favored over Hero.
Hero PvZ and PvT is sick but PvP is his weakest match-up.
Squirtle has the best PvP currently.
Play your best
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
May 03 2012 11:41 GMT
#1875
On May 03 2012 20:37 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 20:33 Rainfall7711 wrote:
Isn't it ironic. I remember a few months back everyone was sick of Terrans and TvT. Protoss dominates most Terran one season everyone gets pitch forks about balance and are now rooting for the Terran LOL.

Because objectively speaking, TvT is actually a decent matchup, we were only sick of it because we had too much of it. PvP on the other hand...

Stop this "PvP sucks" mentality thats been around since the Beta. The matchup has evolved alot and the days of 4gate vs 4gate are far gone.

PvP is actually one of the most skill-intensive matchups in the game. And definitely the most Micro intensive. The only part about PvP thats not so entertaining is the lategame (colossus vs colossus, best spread wins)
you no take candle
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 11:43:04
May 03 2012 11:42 GMT
#1876
On May 03 2012 20:39 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 20:37 Talin wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:36 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:35 Talin wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:35 Asha` wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:33 Talin wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:30 Arceus wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:29 Talin wrote:
Can't wait for HerO to destroy this guy.

ppl claim that Squirtle got a 100% PvP. And hes really that good in mirror


And none of the Ps he beat were HerO (since like a year ago). Hero's fundamentals are way better, as long as he doesn't get mindfucked by builds it won't even be close. Squirtle can't even land a freaking forcefield. -_-


Squirtle is better than HerO lol


In which segment of the game is Squirtle better than HerO specifically?


PvP, obviously. I love Hero, but there's not really any case for him being better than Squirtle in PvP.


PvP is a matchup, not a segment of the game. -_-

What is Squirtle specifically better at, skill wise?


Timing attacks and better understanding of the match-up.


...and preparation time until the finals can easily make that aspect of the game more even when you know the opponent ahead of time.

When it comes to mechanics and multitasking, Squirtle can basically sit down, it's not even within the realm of possibility that he can match HerO in those. And that's not something you can learn in a week either.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
May 03 2012 11:42 GMT
#1877
On May 03 2012 20:40 cam connor wrote:
legend of the spring imo


Hah this was pretty cute :D
Revolutionist fan
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
May 03 2012 11:42 GMT
#1878
On May 03 2012 20:38 sc2holar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 20:33 Jaegeru wrote:
Most likely going to be a PvP finals, this is going to be the worst GSL final ever.

PvP is a good matchup nowdays, get with the times.

I preferred watching sick micro 4 gate vs sick micro 4 gate over '"pzzzt pzzzt pzzzt" oh I guess you didn't have 2 robos like me' like it is now.

Its bearable mid game but the lategame is fucking terrible to watch.
Jaegeru
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom676 Posts
May 03 2012 11:42 GMT
#1879
Going to have a PvP finals that will probably last less than an hour.

"Protoss at the pro-level are doing well, but not at the very top of the pro-level." -David Kim.
MVP on winning his Fourth GSL - "Yeah I know the routine, take the flowers and cheque, I will kiss the trophy for the photo"
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
May 03 2012 11:42 GMT
#1880
On May 03 2012 20:40 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 20:40 Scarecrow wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:38 sc2holar wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:33 Jaegeru wrote:
Most likely going to be a PvP finals, this is going to be the worst GSL final ever.

PvP is a good matchup nowdays, get with the times.

It's still the worst mu in sc2 by a decent margin...

ZvZ wants a word with you.


ZvZ is awesome, not one of those sissy "hiding inside my base until I have 10000000000 tanks/colossus" matchups.
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