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On May 02 2012 20:17 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 20:15 Havik_ wrote:On May 02 2012 20:14 Eufouria wrote:
SuperNoVa is the most overrated 'underrated' player in the GSL. Very well said, and I would have to agree. I totally disagree. He only gets like 3% votes to advance and such...the people who say he's ludicrously good are the smart vocal minority.
He got like 3% votes that one time in the Ro32 last season and since then every time he plays the casters go "And here is SuperNoVa, a very underrated Terran.".
edit: My point is, if everyone seems to think a player is underrated, are they really underrated?
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I really hope HerO crushes SuperNoVa. Then I love PartinG but a Liquid semifinal would be epic  And why not a PvP in the finals ? That would be fun imo
EDIT : mixed up with matches. I meant I love Squirtle
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On May 02 2012 20:17 Sakray wrote:MVP is gonna get absolutely trashed in Ro4 if he cheese like he did. And he's gonna do it. It's fucking disgusting to see what he did, since he knows that he won't go past Ro4 and that Naniwa deserved the spot way more than him. It's funny how everyone trashed the guy who reported Destiny for racial slurs because he 1 base all-in'd him, but when it's MVP he is a total genius, the best player of the planet, and Naniwa played like a retard because he's a total noob. I find it really funny
MVP only needed one more game to advance so trying to cheese and get one win out of the three chances that he had was actually really smart. If Naniwa didn't dig himself in a hole early in the series then MVP would have to play more standard macro games since cheesing would come at a higher risk and less reward.
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On May 02 2012 20:17 Sakray wrote:MVP is gonna get absolutely trashed in Ro4 if he cheese like he did. And he's gonna do it. It's fucking disgusting to see what he did, since he knows that he won't go past Ro4 and that Naniwa deserved the spot way more than him. It's funny how everyone trashed the guy who reported Destiny for racial slurs because he 1 base all-in'd him, but when it's MVP he is a total genius, the best player of the planet, and Naniwa played like a retard because he's a total noob. I find it really funny
I'm pretty sure he cheesed cause he was fighting Nani specifically. I don't know if that's really disgraceful... in fact I'd call it intelligent.
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On May 02 2012 20:11 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 20:10 0ne wrote:On May 02 2012 20:09 Hall0wed wrote:On May 02 2012 20:08 Fragile51 wrote:On May 02 2012 20:08 imMUTAble787 wrote:
hopefully Parting vs Hero grand finals That would be Sick actually. Parting vs. Squirtle way better Do you really want a PvP finals? We had like 5 TvTs. Plus PvP is the only matchup we never had a finals for. Yes it's gonna be terrible and super quick, but even though everyone is bitching about protoss, we haven't seen a protoss champion for over a year now, it's about damn time. Also no terran winning two times in a row is a nice change for once.
They could make it a BO15........
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On May 02 2012 20:20 sparklyresidue wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 20:17 Sakray wrote:MVP is gonna get absolutely trashed in Ro4 if he cheese like he did. And he's gonna do it. It's fucking disgusting to see what he did, since he knows that he won't go past Ro4 and that Naniwa deserved the spot way more than him. It's funny how everyone trashed the guy who reported Destiny for racial slurs because he 1 base all-in'd him, but when it's MVP he is a total genius, the best player of the planet, and Naniwa played like a retard because he's a total noob. I find it really funny I'm pretty sure he cheesed cause he was fighting Nani specifically. I don't know if that's really disgraceful... in fact I'd call it intelligent.
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On May 02 2012 20:11 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 20:02 KristofferAG wrote:On May 02 2012 20:00 Exarl25 wrote:On May 02 2012 19:57 iky43210 wrote:On May 02 2012 19:56 MCXD wrote:On May 02 2012 19:55 iky43210 wrote:On May 02 2012 19:53 xN.07)MaK wrote:On May 02 2012 19:51 iky43210 wrote:On May 02 2012 19:45 SolidZeal wrote:
Well, justice will be served, MVP vs PartinG... roflstomp
Still kinda hope that Oz can come back to make a few epic PvP's.
Oh and I'm calling it right now, PartinG vs HerO in the finals. I don't know why people like artosis and LR constantly counts out MVP. He's still the most accomplished sc2 player to date, and have been in code S for a very long time. Even last season he was only 1 game away from making into round of 8. And a season before that in round of 4 He probably been in round of 4 or higher more than he has not Because we have eyes, and this is not the MVP we were used to. Call it carpal tunnel, call it PvT era or w/e. Everything not a 3-0 or 3-1 for parting will be a big surprise for me. Using your eyes is deceptive, especially there aren't that many games you can see per season. How do you count someone out who has constantly been able to get into the round of 4 or higher nearly every season? Because he never had to use blind cheese almost 3 games in a row to do it before? "blind" cheese against someone who is known for going constantly forge expand 4 times in a row against zerg despite losing to 6 pool 3 times in the same game set? Naniwa is not known for being flexible with his build. why would you not exploit that MVP is probably the best sc2 player out there that use specific build against players and play mind games Who the fuck doesn't open FFE every PvZ? That's a stupid example, might as well say he isn't flexible because he always opens 9 Pylon. Going FFE in PvZ is normal, Going FFE in a PvZ where you've been cheesed by that exact player more than once is stupid. NaNi isn't good at holding off cheese, people know this and abuse this. There's nothing wrong with continuing to FFE. If you throw down extra cannons an FFE can hold roach rushes.
I'm a Naniwa fan and it's pretty obvious that his biggest weakness is fighting cheese and his inability to adapt builds. Even going back to TSL3 final vs Thorzain, in game 1 he scouted 2rax and continued to 1 gate FE, which at that time was fairly unsafe (TZ ended up cancelling and going for 1/1/1). At MLG after being roach rushed 4 times he decided to FFE on Xel'naga Caverns which is by far the worst FFE map; I'm fairly sure it's actually impossible to hold a roach rush on XNC.
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Aiur fighting!! Go Hero and Squirtle!! And MVP is going to get wrecked by PartinG. Parting plays so safe, so that cheesy nonsense he did to Naniwa wont work vs him.
Actually, I think MVP will actually throw in some eco cheese (greedy builds) with strong timings in the mid game. So if Parting goes too conservative, he will be playing from behind. Also the way PartinG is playing, he might still be able to hold off the timing and win.
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woot MVP!! so gosu
MVP Interview:
You relied heavily on strategy not once but twice. Was it because of your wrist? Some other problem?
I am of the opinion that you should be punished for risky play. If you get greedy with me, you will get punished. Naniwa is a player who has a risky early game and gets a good economy. Those strategies were a response to that.
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Hope that Parting will find some way to deal with MVP's all in.
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Wrong on both my LBs, but happily wrong. Nice to see PartinG stepping up his PvP!
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Really sad that Naniwa lost and how the series turned out but can't critize Mvp for doing what he did. You play to win and he won fair and square. Let's see how he fares against Parting's PvT.
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It's too bad Naniwa lost, but I think he plays way too greedily. He plays a lot like squirtle, and it's no coincidence they're at the same house. Naniwa will be sitting there stonefaced and calling a player's bluff while their workers are traversing the map. His 2 base all-ins will be strong, but he has weaknesses early because he keeps getting knocked out of tournaments due to this. Things like IEM Kiev versus Zenio, MLG Providence versus Leenock stand out. He was ramping up for the world's most awesome 2 base all-ins and got killed being way too greedy.
I think Naniwa needs to play some poker. He also needs riskier practice partners. Startale has amazing Protoss, and great variety and skill in Curious and July as Zergs. However, Bomber is their only stand-out Terran and he plays so amazingly safe and macro-oriented. Most of the top Terran these days know that they have to play risky and take bold chances. Examples like alive stand out.
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MVP only needed one more game to advance so trying to cheese and get one win out of the three chances that he had was actually really smart.
Actually, even in g2, it was the best opportunity to cheese for MVP.
1) He was up 1-0
2) Naniwa is known to have a weak early game (compare with his excellent mid/late game)
3) It was Entombed Valley
If anything, it was a risk to cheese because it was so expected...
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On May 02 2012 20:17 Sakray wrote:
MVP is gonna get absolutely trashed in Ro4 if he cheese like he did. And he's gonna do it. It's fucking disgusting to see what he did, since he knows that he won't go past Ro4 and that Naniwa deserved the spot way more than him.
Please tell me you are not serious.
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On May 02 2012 20:20 sparklyresidue wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 20:17 Sakray wrote:MVP is gonna get absolutely trashed in Ro4 if he cheese like he did. And he's gonna do it. It's fucking disgusting to see what he did, since he knows that he won't go past Ro4 and that Naniwa deserved the spot way more than him. It's funny how everyone trashed the guy who reported Destiny for racial slurs because he 1 base all-in'd him, but when it's MVP he is a total genius, the best player of the planet, and Naniwa played like a retard because he's a total noob. I find it really funny I'm pretty sure he cheesed cause he was fighting Nani specifically. I don't know if that's really disgraceful... in fact I'd call it intelligent.
To be fair, MVP has been all-inning, cheesing most of his TvPs since day1. And i believe he will continue to do so.
He just doesn't seem to like playing for the late game in that match-up.
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MVP vs. Parting will be intense. MVP is going to have to prepare new builds if he wants to deal with Parting in a similar fashion to NaNiwa. Parting's strength is the lategame and obviously MVP has no intention of playing lategame. Going to be really interesting.
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On May 02 2012 20:16 Hall0wed wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 20:14 WArped wrote:On May 02 2012 20:11 aznball123 wrote:
HerO is my 2nd favorite player in sc2, but I only see him making it to ro4 at most. If it's Squirtle vs HerO he has an amazing chance to reach the final. You always have to account for nerves though with HerO. Parting is the guy to beat this season. Hero has a way better chance against Taeja than he does vs. Squirtle. I am fairly certain Squirtle would crush Hero in a BO5 PvP, and I really like Hero.
Yeah, Hero's PVP is frankly really bad right now. It's not even his micro, builds or mechanics. He just doesn't have the game sense in such a risk based matchup to punish or get away with risks.
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On May 02 2012 20:29 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 20:20 sparklyresidue wrote:On May 02 2012 20:17 Sakray wrote:MVP is gonna get absolutely trashed in Ro4 if he cheese like he did. And he's gonna do it. It's fucking disgusting to see what he did, since he knows that he won't go past Ro4 and that Naniwa deserved the spot way more than him. It's funny how everyone trashed the guy who reported Destiny for racial slurs because he 1 base all-in'd him, but when it's MVP he is a total genius, the best player of the planet, and Naniwa played like a retard because he's a total noob. I find it really funny I'm pretty sure he cheesed cause he was fighting Nani specifically. I don't know if that's really disgraceful... in fact I'd call it intelligent. To be fair, MVP has been all-inning, cheesing most of his TvPs since day1. And i believe he will continue to do so. He just doesn't seem to like playing for the late game in that match-up.
Read his interview and he mentioned he did not want to overexert his wrist and he knew Naniwa risky play and he exploited it
how Leenock did at Providence.
Tell me which Terran likes to play Toss in the late game.LOL
Rather end it in the mid or early game.
It was a smart call by MVP.
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On May 02 2012 20:17 Sakray wrote:MVP is gonna get absolutely trashed in Ro4 if he cheese like he did. And he's gonna do it. It's fucking disgusting to see what he did, since he knows that he won't go past Ro4 and that Naniwa deserved the spot way more than him. It's funny how everyone trashed the guy who reported Destiny for racial slurs because he 1 base all-in'd him, but when it's MVP he is a total genius, the best player of the planet, and Naniwa played like a retard because he's a total noob. I find it really funny
Number of major LAN's won by Naniwa - 0
Number of major LAN's won by MVP - 7.
Yeah...
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EPT
