• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:46
CET 16:46
KST 00:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down14ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League65Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.167
StarCraft 2
General
No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development Evil Geniuses - shutting down How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted
Tourneys
ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Do we even care about balance? [Recap] 0-6 Defeat for Mong's Team BW General Discussion Rollback Netcode in Brood War Bot on ladder
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [BSL23] RO24 Group C Small VOD Thread 2.0 2v2v2v2 Tournament
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6925 users

[IPL4] Day 1 Live Report - Page 214

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 212 213 214 215 216 584 Next
This is not the place to talk about LoL viewership.

This is also not a place to caster bash/balance whine/flame, etc.

Please don't argue about how many views LoL has, or which game is better, or we will be upset.
(added page 174)

Also, lay off Scarlett please. (added page 227)
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
April 06 2012 21:13 GMT
#4261
On April 07 2012 06:13 AsnSensation wrote:
Im confused about the frontpage, did a girl rly beat a prime player


Yes, yes she did
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
April 06 2012 21:13 GMT
#4262
On April 07 2012 06:11 ceaRshaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 06:10 Whitewing wrote:
On April 07 2012 06:08 TheBanana wrote:
On April 07 2012 05:59 Megabuster123 wrote:
On April 07 2012 05:55 Zealot Orgy wrote:
On April 07 2012 05:54 Whitewing wrote:
On April 07 2012 05:54 HowardRoark wrote:
Stephano, the best foreigner in the world vs the best player in the world. This is JUST AMAZING!


We can call MKP the best player in the world when he wins a GSL.


You sir, have retarded standards.

Na, when he wins the GSL then he can be called the best.

Till then we'll see how he does.


So if someone hypothetically outperforms GSL-winners in more tournaments than vice versa(tournaments that mostly consists of the same players at the top), they can't be called the best because the name of the tournament is wrong?


The format matters.

In GSL, you know your opponent in advance and can practice for him, plan for him, and your condition is great and you can show your best.

In other tournaments, other factors than pure skill come into play. That's fine, there's nothing wrong with that, it's part of being a good player to do well in them.

I just, personally, think that he should be able to win in a tournament of GSL format before we should announce him as the best like it's a fact.



Winning with a strategy vs a specific player is actually easier than facing him randomly in fast format tournament and relying on pure skill vs pure skill.


Not really, that player is doing the same thing vs. you. Either way it's irrelevant, the format is different and allows for different types of strategies and skills, and I feel that the best player in the world, if we want to declare someone as that, should be someone who wins in both formats.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
najreteip
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium4158 Posts
April 06 2012 21:13 GMT
#4263
On April 07 2012 06:13 AsnSensation wrote:
Im confused about the frontpage, did a girl rly beat a prime player

yes
I have no quote!
Sargonian
Profile Joined February 2012
United States164 Posts
April 06 2012 21:13 GMT
#4264
I'm not even a mod but can you people PLEASE stop asking "Hey wtf MVP lost to Rumkake?" Fricking read people it's stated on every other page that he didn't show u guys r spamming at this point
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
April 06 2012 21:13 GMT
#4265
White-ra's actually trying to do some kind of FFE against a Terran
¯\_(シ)_/¯
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
April 06 2012 21:13 GMT
#4266
woop mech tvp
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
iamcup
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland58 Posts
April 06 2012 21:13 GMT
#4267
On April 07 2012 06:04 darkscream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 06:02 iamcup wrote:
Oh man... i love white-ra but how can a pro like him make such a huge and a simple error like killing his army for nothing when he had the time and a change to pull out of the fight. It just seemed he was so intent on aggressive play he went way overboard...


Not only that, both games he move-commanded his sentries into spine crawlers, losing them all

I'd hate to say nerves, but what else could it be?


I have to agree with you, though with white-ra's tournament experience I would think he's immune to suchs ;-).
darkevilxe
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada346 Posts
April 06 2012 21:13 GMT
#4268
wait mvp lost? can somebody fill me in on this
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
April 06 2012 21:14 GMT
#4269
I'm dissappointed in no cannon rush.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
April 06 2012 21:14 GMT
#4270
omg mech
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
April 06 2012 21:14 GMT
#4271
On April 07 2012 06:13 darkevilxe wrote:
wait mvp lost? can somebody fill me in on this

He couldn't make it to the tournament.
kiss kiss fall in love
darkevilxe
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada346 Posts
April 06 2012 21:14 GMT
#4272
was he not able to get to the tourney? how did he lose to rumcake
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
April 06 2012 21:14 GMT
#4273
On April 07 2012 06:13 darkevilxe wrote:
wait mvp lost? can somebody fill me in on this

Keep up. He never came.
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
Demonaz
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1219 Posts
April 06 2012 21:14 GMT
#4274
Mech tvp, Artosis is at this moment somewhere shouting at the screen "YES YES YES"
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
April 06 2012 21:14 GMT
#4275
On April 07 2012 06:12 bouhko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 06:10 Whitewing wrote:
On April 07 2012 06:08 TheBanana wrote:
On April 07 2012 05:59 Megabuster123 wrote:
On April 07 2012 05:55 Zealot Orgy wrote:
On April 07 2012 05:54 Whitewing wrote:
On April 07 2012 05:54 HowardRoark wrote:
Stephano, the best foreigner in the world vs the best player in the world. This is JUST AMAZING!


We can call MKP the best player in the world when he wins a GSL.


You sir, have retarded standards.

Na, when he wins the GSL then he can be called the best.

Till then we'll see how he does.


So if someone hypothetically outperforms GSL-winners in more tournaments than vice versa(tournaments that mostly consists of the same players at the top), they can't be called the best because the name of the tournament is wrong?


The format matters.

In GSL, you know your opponent in advance and can practice for him, plan for him, and your condition is great and you can show your best.

In other tournaments, other factors than pure skill come into play. That's fine, there's nothing wrong with that, it's part of being a good player to do well in them.

I just, personally, think that he should be able to win in a tournament of GSL format before we should announce him as the best like it's a fact.

The thing is we might need a "best weekend tournament player" and "best GSL player" categories because it's really, really different metagame.

Also I don't know if having one week to train for a specific opponent amounts to "true skill". I would just say it's a different setting.


Or maybe we should just quit engaging in arguments that impossible to win? Right now it looks like there are top-tier players who peak at different times, and are affected by things like patches metagame etc. Why do we have this visceral need to declare someone as "the best"?
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
CTangent
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States125 Posts
April 06 2012 21:14 GMT
#4276
Oh shit... is MKP about to mech? SHOW US HOW IT IS DONE, MY KING
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
April 06 2012 21:14 GMT
#4277
This game makes no sense to me. They are literally breaking the metagame right now
www.superbeerbrothers.com
keeperton
Profile Joined December 2010
United States233 Posts
April 06 2012 21:14 GMT
#4278
Am I the only one that's been experiencing the stream etching at odd intervals the whole time it's been up?
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
April 06 2012 21:14 GMT
#4279
On April 07 2012 06:13 darkevilxe wrote:
wait mvp lost? can somebody fill me in on this


For the 10000 time, MVP didn't show up.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
April 06 2012 21:14 GMT
#4280
MEEECCHHHH!!! YEAH!
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Prev 1 212 213 214 215 216 584 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
FEL
19:00
ScienceCraft - Day 2
RotterdaM605
IndyStarCraft 498
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Serral 1625
RotterdaM 605
IndyStarCraft 498
Hui .271
Classic 46
MindelVK 17
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 46296
Calm 1541
Horang2 499
Larva 391
Snow 276
Stork 266
firebathero 231
ProTech149
Mind 109
Sexy 83
[ Show more ]
Last 69
Pusan 39
Shinee 35
ToSsGirL 28
Hm[arnc] 26
Creator 23
Rock 22
Sacsri 20
JYJ 17
Aegong 13
yabsab 8
Shine 7
Dota 2
Gorgc13625
qojqva2340
Cr1tdota863
Counter-Strike
fl0m3326
allub679
Other Games
singsing1824
B2W.Neo1552
Liquid`RaSZi1504
Beastyqt697
Mlord603
FrodaN483
DeMusliM262
KnowMe171
XaKoH 160
syndereN146
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL20778
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 7
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 32
• Adnapsc2 11
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• ChaeLyn 8
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3295
League of Legends
• Nemesis3121
• Jankos1452
Other Games
• Shiphtur316
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
7h 14m
WardiTV Weekly
20h 14m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1d 19h
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
GSL
4 days
Epic.LAN
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Epic.LAN
5 days
Yamato Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - GSC
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
BSL Season 23
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2026-27
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.