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On April 08 2012 13:11 xsnac wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:08 lolmlg wrote:
lol @ people suggesting that a regame tainted the series. It's a regame, it's not like the referees gave an unfair ruling. If you're a Parting fan you probably think he had the game won, but the fact is that the game wasn't over yet. We saw SO MANY insane comebacks in this weekend, you can't just say that they should have awarded Parting the game when both players had tons of bases and supply. If MarineKing had forfeited the regame, then we could all sit here calling him a true gentleman. But first and foremost he's an e-sportsman and he came to win. how you comeback from 4 base economy , when you just lost 3 barracks ( production structure ) AS A TERRAN not as zerg or protoss that can make army faster , with 3 marauders and 6 vikings vs 1 colossi 10 zealots 6 stalkers 5 high templars ? HOW ?????????? forgot to add : 4 base mkp vs 5 base parting .
Your summary of the situation at the end of that game is entirely inaccurate. Just a heads up.
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MKP bonjwa?? HAHAHAAHA!! I guess that makes MVP, NesTea, MC, MMA, Leenock, and DRG bonjwas too then. You can't dominate for a month or 2 and be bonjwa. The Bonjwas stay at their peak elo/winrates for at least a year. If MKP is in the top 3 of everything he enters for the next year or so, maybe you can call him Bonjwa.
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Apparently, the disconnect was not due to lack of LAN, so the entire blame for this would go to the refs.
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There is a silver lining to this disconnect
Remember when MVP and Nestea had to play close pos Shattered at Blizzcon to the complete embarassment of Blizzard?
Now that they have personally witnessed *why* LAN is necessary in high profile SC matches they'll finally get on the ball on this issue.
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On April 08 2012 13:08 lolmlg wrote:
lol @ people suggesting that a regame tainted the series. It's a regame, it's not like the referees gave an unfair ruling. If you're a Parting fan you probably think he had the game won, but the fact is that the game wasn't over yet. We saw SO MANY insane comebacks in this weekend, you can't just say that they should have awarded Parting the game when both players had tons of bases and supply. If MarineKing had forfeited the regame, then we could all sit here calling him a true gentleman. But first and foremost he's an e-sportsman and he came to win.
"We've seen lots of comebacks" does not imply that a comeback is possible in ANY situation, just as "MKP is good at comebacks" does not imply that MKP can come back in ANY situation. Just stupid, stupid logic. People at some level realise that if they analysed the MKP v Parting game then it is a clear parting win, so they ignore that game and point to a bunch of other games that involved comebacks instead.
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Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
On April 08 2012 13:08 lolmlg wrote:
lol @ people suggesting that a regame tainted the series. It's a regame, it's not like the referees gave an unfair ruling. If you're a Parting fan you probably think he had the game won, but the fact is that the game wasn't over yet. We saw SO MANY insane comebacks in this weekend, you can't just say that they should have awarded Parting the game when both players had tons of bases and supply. If MarineKing had forfeited the regame, then we could all sit here calling him a true gentleman. But first and foremost he's an e-sportsman and he came to win.
I don't see how you think it (it being the actual disconnect, not the decision) doesn't affect how the series would have otherwise played out. If nothing else, how does it affect the mentality and mindset of the people involved? MSL Flash vs Jaedong power outage clearly showed what happens to a player when things like this happen (for the non-BW initiated, Flash had a total mental breakdown in what was otherwise a series he had a very strong showing in).
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On April 08 2012 13:10 theplagueman wrote:
Some relevant math I did:
149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP
Parting:
79 Probes
Army:
70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply
6 stalkers = 12 supply
53 supply remaining
8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply
53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining
18 zealots ~ = 36 supply
Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD.
MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
As a top masters Protoss, I can say with 100% confidence that unless parting had an aneurism, and even then, MKP would have lost the game. I can respect the judge's decision, but as a player I would be FURIOUS to win a game vs another teams ace player in the finals of the most important team league in the world, and then be forced to re-game.
You seem to be just quoting reddit so I'll post the same thing I post there:
The keypoint here is if MKP had no chance at all, counting warp cycles, Parting's units positions, time until MKP's next cycle come out, how much space MKP had to regroup. You can only know this if you had access to the replay.
If counting all of these factors, MKP had any chance at all for coming back they had to do a regame or else they would be changing their own rules.
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Well that does it then, Imma just going to have to be mkp anti-fan now.
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On April 08 2012 13:13 HGurryp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:12 Nick_54 wrote:On April 08 2012 13:08 MCMXVI wrote:
Congrats StarTale, the *real* GSTL S1 champions :D No matter how many times you or other people post shit like this in the thread it will not change the result. MKP played great, won the regame, and the next 3 games. Prime won based fair and square based on the system and rules of the game and the tournament. Marineking had to regame against Stephano yesterday and lost it but won the series. If ST was really the better team they would've overcome the setback. LOL MAN, everyone know this, but the problem is, HE LOST THE FIRST GAME
Then why did he continue to play? If he had lost he should have been out and unable to play the remainder of the games.
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United States23455 Posts
Honestly, I am a Prime fan. I wrote an article about how fucking amazing it was that a team that essentially lost most of their players, their only GSL champion, and all of their sponsors could take the self initiative and turn everything around by themselves, but the championship is tainted. MarineKing did four-kill Startale and he played excellent in those four games, but Parting looked to have that game won. Even if MKP did make a miracle comeback in some alternate universe, the whole final is still tainted because no one will ever look back at this final and go, 'Wow, MarineKing carried his team to victory and proved he isn't a choker!' People will go, 'Wow...remember when Startale got fucked over?"
GSTL Finals 1, "Wow, Squirtle beat MVP in an epic game, but Nestea saved IM! What an amazing finals!"
GSTL Finals 2, "Wow, MMA is a monster! How did he take down IM!? What an amazing finals!"
GSTL Finals 3, "Holy shit! MMA and DRG are fucking awesome! What an amazing finals!"
GSTL Finals 4, "MVP proved they can win without DRG! Not the best finals, but enjoyable!"
GSTL Finals 5, "what the fuck man mkp got fucking lucky. what a joke."
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Every one shut up and get sucked off.
Here are the graphs of partin vs mkp game 1.
A clear parting win, think not? You decide?
http://i.imgur.com/eQRd4.jpg
Gt skd off fgts
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nope this isnt tainted. nothing is 100% certain in sc2. especially with mkp's godlike micro
this is just beautiful. mkp wanted to prove to the world and defend prime's honor, REVERSE ALL KILL
haters gonna hate.
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On April 08 2012 13:11 vndods wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:10 Kettchup wrote:On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote:
After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.
GG, WP, Foxer! MKP had an army advantage in the Bomber match when Bomber thought he had it won, of course no one would be against a regame in that scenario. There was a clear route to victory for MKP, go and kill him really fast. There was no route to victory in the Parting game. MKP had nothing. Except about 10+ production buildings in his base and superior micro. But we'll leave that out I guess.
When protoss (or any race for that matter) get ontop of terran production facilities and have enough army to kill off the single file units streaming out the game is over. Judging by their army positions when Marineking lost his whole army, he was dead, absolutely dead. It was too close to his production facilities to make a new army in time.
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On April 08 2012 13:11 Replicate wrote:
A call by the refs that everyone hates? Seems like esports just took a step toward being closer to physical sports!
It's impossible to say whether or not StarTale would have won. I think PartinG had that game, but the call was made. I don't think it's quite fair to say Prime's win is completely invalid. There are many many sports championships that are also invalid, if that is the case. Sometimes bad calls are made, and obsessing about what might have happened is pretty futile. Well, except using this as a rallying cry for a LAN-solution.
I strongly disagree with MKP hate. What choice does he have? The judges declare a rematch. To throw a game would be incredibly disrespectful to fans, the judges/gsl, and fans.
well said  can't agree more with you.
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On April 08 2012 13:14 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
Well that does it then, Imma just going to have to be mkp anti-fan now.
Good luck, it's hard being an mkp anti-fan right now.
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On April 08 2012 13:11 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:07 darkcloud8282 wrote:
Considering how many progamers considered the game won for Parting, it's disappointing to see GOM decide for a regame. I had my bets on Startale to win and I'm disappointing in the outcome being decided like this.. sigh. Parting wins that game 9 times out of 10, I'd say. But MarineKing was still in it and he still had a minute chance, in such an important match I'm not surprised that the referees wanted to go for a re-game. I think it would have been better to make it a Bo3 with Parting up by 1 game though, weighting in the advantage he had at that point while still maintaining that MarineKing had potential to come back.
They decided for a regame because no one wants to get the blame for that, which is understandable I guess. But that doesn´t change what happenend and we all will have VODs soon. Bad decision. This will not change overnight.
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On April 08 2012 13:13 SeeKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:11 RJGooner wrote:On April 08 2012 13:09 DivinitySC2 wrote:On April 08 2012 13:07 Femari wrote:On April 08 2012 13:06 Argolis wrote:
MKP = The first sc2 bonjwa lol no lol yes? You might want to figure out what that term means. Also winning a GSL is actually kind of important if you want to get that label This. Still too early to call him a bonjwa. We need consistency and dominance. FOR AT LEAST A YEAR!
Remember what happened to the HerO hype? the ForGG hype?
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All I'm gonna say is...
The heater god (온풍신) has struck again!
Heater god (온풍신) = bonjwa
I think I'll love MKP even more with this drama. <3
It's fun to see people buttmad for stupid reasons.
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suddenly i miss MVP owning MKP just like any usual day
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In real sports bad calls happen, but in real sports(lets say soccer) the refs have 1 or 2 seconds to make the decision. In that case they thought about it for 20 minutes and still made the wrong decision just to please the crowd that doesn't care about fairness... GG WP! I have nothing more to say to GOM.
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