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A call by the refs that everyone hates? Seems like esports just took a step toward being closer to physical sports!
It's impossible to say whether or not StarTale would have won. I think PartinG had that game, but the call was made. I don't think it's quite fair to say Prime's win is completely invalid. There are many many sports championships that are also invalid, if that is the case. Sometimes bad calls are made, and obsessing about what might have happened is pretty futile. Well, except using this as a rallying cry for a LAN-solution.
I strongly disagree with MKP hate. What choice does he have? The judges declare a rematch. To throw a game would be incredibly disrespectful to fans, the judges/gsl, and fans.
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On April 08 2012 13:06 Xarles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:02 SuperYo1000 wrote:On April 08 2012 13:01 Whitewing wrote:
Staretale got horribly robbed. Pretty much. This was pretty much as worthless a win as a worthless win could be So it would have been much better if StarTale won despite Prime defeating them in Ro6? Which didn't include MKP taking any victories if I might add.
your missing the point. I dont remember startale losing and then getting a regame card for a second chance. It was a huge win for parting against a titan and then its taken from him. Yes I agree that it in no way has anything to do with marineking. Still doesnt mean that this wasn't total bs
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On April 08 2012 13:09 fcb10 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:08 MaNaVoId wrote:On April 08 2012 13:06 Argolis wrote:
MKP = The first sc2 bonjwa Not when he needs lost to parting nad got the cheek to ask for regame how do u know he asked for it?
You think the referees did not consult the opinions of the teams, on the stream we saw the referees discussing with the teams? He certainly could have turned it down like how bomber did when he was given a free win after a game vs mana when he was certainly going to win, this shows the differences between prime and startale in the integrity of their playeers.
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On April 08 2012 13:10 Kettchup wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote:
After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.
GG, WP, Foxer! MKP had an army advantage in the Bomber match when Bomber thought he had it won, of course no one would be against a regame in that scenario. There was a clear route to victory for MKP, go and kill him really fast. There was no route to victory in the Parting game. MKP had nothing.
Except about 10+ production buildings in his base and superior micro. But we'll leave that out I guess.
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On April 08 2012 12:45 Cassel_Castle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 12:44 RaiKageRyu wrote:
I feel like Prime would had more chances with their lineup to beat Parting than StarTale beating having players beating MarineKing.
Exactly, Creator still had a chance to pull things through for Prime, ST does not have the equivalent of Creator.
You're forgetting that Bomber is that kind of caliber that can also just destroy everyone like Marineking did, they had a very close game. If it ended up with Marineking eliminated in the PartinG match and PartinG was knocked out the game after Bomber comes out and potentially can eliminate the rest of the Prime team.
The ruling in the Marineking/PartinG game was poorly done in my eyes. Going over the replay of what units was out, their production capabilities, the positioning of their armies and the army value graph at the end of the game. It speaks to PartinG being HEAVILY favored to win a few minutes after the actual drop.
If there is going to ever be a ruling where it is not a regame and the game actually should be given to a certain player, when is it ever going to happen if this was not qualifying?
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On April 08 2012 13:07 Kamwah wrote:
I find it funny that people can't see what's logically fair...
...if Parting was going to win then he would have won the rematch...
that, uh, doesn't logically follow at all
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On April 08 2012 13:09 DivinitySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:07 Femari wrote:On April 08 2012 13:06 Argolis wrote:
MKP = The first sc2 bonjwa lol no lol yes?
mkp is damn good. but if he is the first bonjwa, that term really doesnt mean much.
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If that was Kespa though, Parting = automatic win. Jaedong vs Flash was much closer game when that black out happened than MKP vs Parting. Oh well. GG's though
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On April 08 2012 13:07 darkcloud8282 wrote:
Considering how many progamers considered the game won for Parting, it's disappointing to see GOM decide for a regame. I had my bets on Startale to win and I'm disappointing in the outcome being decided like this.. sigh.
Parting wins that game 9 times out of 10, I'd say. But MarineKing was still in it and he still had a minute chance, in such an important match I'm not surprised that the referees wanted to go for a re-game. I think it would have been better to make it a Bo3 with Parting up by 1 game though, weighting in the advantage he had at that point while still maintaining that MarineKing had potential to come back.
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On April 08 2012 13:08 lolmlg wrote:
lol @ people suggesting that a regame tainted the series. It's a regame, it's not like the referees gave an unfair ruling. If you're a Parting fan you probably think he had the game won, but the fact is that the game wasn't over yet. We saw SO MANY insane comebacks in this weekend, you can't just say that they should have awarded Parting the game when both players had tons of bases and supply. If MarineKing had forfeited the regame, then we could all sit here calling him a true gentleman. But first and foremost he's an e-sportsman and he came to win.
how you comeback from 4 base economy , when you just lost 3 barracks ( production structure ) AS A TERRAN not as zerg or protoss that can make army faster , with 3 marauders and 6 vikings vs 1 colossi 10 zealots 6 stalkers 5 high templars ? HOW ??????????
forgot to add : 4 base mkp vs 5 base parting .
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I love the Startale tears. 
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On April 08 2012 13:09 DivinitySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:07 Femari wrote:On April 08 2012 13:06 Argolis wrote:
MKP = The first sc2 bonjwa lol no lol yes?
You might want to figure out what that term means. Also winning a GSL is actually kind of important if you want to get that label
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On April 08 2012 13:03 Gnaix wrote:
So this is what happens when you get a re-game instead of a loss. Flash probably would've taken that MSL from JD as well if they gave him a re-game.
I remember this match. That time Flash is still not considered god, but rivalry between Jaedong & Flash.
Glad he become stronger after that. I have something to learn from Flash.
Ah...It is pity Flash did not play SC2. For me I feel this way,
I hope ForGG get fast result soon keke
And, what really happened that cause regame?
I only noe it is DC, but from the forum content I can only feel Partting is 1 click away from win?
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I was there when there was sound issues.
I was there when Wolf didn't do this bit in rehearsals.
I was there when a regame was awarded with only 3 marauders remaining.
I was there when RedditKingPrime tore the passion out of those from alternative starcraft communities.
I was there when Mike Morhaime saw the reality of the lack of LAN.
I was there. And so were you. Never forget.
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On April 08 2012 13:10 theplagueman wrote:
Some relevant math I did:
149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP
Parting:
79 Probes
Army:
70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply
6 stalkers = 12 supply
53 supply remaining
8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply
53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining
18 zealots ~ = 36 supply
Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD.
MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
As a top masters Protoss, I can say with 100% confidence that unless parting had an aneurism, and even then, MKP would have lost the game. I can respect the judge's decision, but as a player I would be FURIOUS to win a game vs another teams ace player in the finals of the most important team league in the world, and then be forced to re-game.
I just saw this post on Reddit, are u the same guy?
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/rypj0/s_army_supply_mkp_v_parting/
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On April 08 2012 13:08 MCMXVI wrote:
Congrats StarTale, the *real* GSTL S1 champions :D
No matter how many times you or other people post shit like this in the thread it will not change the result. MKP played great, won the regame, and the next 3 games. Prime won based fair and square based on the system and rules of the game and the tournament.
Marineking had to regame against Stephano yesterday and lost it but won the series. If ST was really the better team they would've overcome the setback.
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Prime is a much better team, there's nothing else to say.
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On April 08 2012 13:10 theplagueman wrote:
Some relevant math I did:
149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP
Parting:
79 Probes
Army:
70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply
6 stalkers = 12 supply
53 supply remaining
8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply
53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining
18 zealots ~ = 36 supply
Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD.
MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
As a top masters Protoss, I can say with 100% confidence that unless parting had an aneurism, and even then, MKP would have lost the game. I can respect the judge's decision, but as a player I would be FURIOUS to win a game vs another teams ace player in the finals of the most important team league in the world, and then be forced to re-game.
Do you know if marinekings production was 99% done?
Heh.
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I don't care so much about the controversal re-game since MKP still had to beat bomber,squirtle and curious.
I think the lack of cheering from the crowd bothers me more. Even though it looked like a full event, the crowd didn't sound all that loud.
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On April 08 2012 13:10 Corrosive wrote:
So apparently parting was only up 30 supply in the game where he was dropped? I mean, yeah, the chances that marineking was going to come back were very little, but i didn't see the drop, i assumed it was like 80 supply to 200 supply and all of marinekings stuff was dead. Also, the production that parting was killing was outside of marinekings natural, if marineking rallied his in-base production away from partings army and was able to gather up a pretty good force, he may have had a chance to come back. This is why he was awarded a regame.
Agreed, people really don't understand that when disconnects happen they only award wins if they're 110% sure that one player had the game won. MKP vs Parting, even though 95% of the time Parting had it cinched you can't discount that 5% even though it still blows.
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