When: Friday, Mar 09 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Friday, Mar 09 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Format
This double-elimination tournament features 16 teams from around the world and is an All-Kill team format. This match is being played for the Grand Final. If Prime is the first team to defeat everyone on the opposing team's roster (5 wins, or a best of 9), they will win the tournament and earn $9,000 for first place. If NSHoSeo defeats Prime in the best of 9, they will reset the series and play another best of 9 series, since the tournament is double elimination and Prime has not yet lost a series. If NSHoSeo manages to win two best of 9 series against Prime, they will win the tournament and claim the $9,000 first prize.
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The First Game for this match of IPL Team Arena Challenge 2 is on Friday, Mar 09 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Friday, Mar 09 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Annyeong < Cloud Kingdom (Whoops) > Tassadar Maru < Antiga Shipyard > Tassadar Maru < Daybreak > Seal MarineKing < Shattered Temple > Seal MarineKing < Calm Before the Storm > Sage MarineKing < Tal'Darim Altar > Jjakji Creator < Darkness Falls > Jjakji Byun < Shakuras Plateau > Jjakji Congratulations to NSHoSeo, winning 5-3 and forcing an entirely new bo9 set! The winner of this one takes it all!
Maru < Atlantis Spaceship > Sculp Maru < Daybreak > Seal Byun < Shattered Temple > Seal Byun < Tal'Darim Altar > Sage Byun < Calm Before the Storm > Jjakji Creator < Terminus > Jjakji Creator < Shakuras Plateau > Tassadar Congratulations to Prime, winning 5-2 and taking FIRST PLACE AND $9,000!!! NSHoSeo had an insanely good run as well, but will take second place and $4,000! Thanks for watching IPL Team Arena Challenge 2 and tune into our SXSW showmatches on Friday and Saturday on http://www.ign.com/ipl !
On March 09 2012 02:05 Fionn wrote: HoSeo can take one set, but I don't know about two.
The Kings and Creator are too solid in almost all the match-ups to be taken down two Bo9's.
"The Kings" as in MK and Byun? Do we have any reason to believe that Byun should be taken in such high consideration?
MarineKing said recently Byun is the best Prime player. Also he has been to a GSL semifinal more recently than MarineKing. Byun always has a bunch of accounts atop the Korean Grandmaster ladder.
For example, he's currently #1 in Korea with a 75% on the Grandmaster ladder. The guy is insanely good.
On March 09 2012 02:05 Fionn wrote: HoSeo can take one set, but I don't know about two.
The Kings and Creator are too solid in almost all the match-ups to be taken down two Bo9's.
"The Kings" as in MK and Byun? Do we have any reason to believe that Byun should be taken in such high consideration?
MarineKing said recently Byun is the best Prime player. Also he has been to a GSL semifinal more recently than MarineKing. Byun always has a bunch of accounts atop the Korean Grandmaster ladder.
For example, he's currently #1 in Korea with a 75% on the Grandmaster ladder. The guy is insanely good.
So, he's just another ace for Prime, as if MKP and Creator were not enough. If this is true, it means that they just didn't need to use him so far.
I think Creator is actually the biggest challenge for NSHS. I agree, Byun is amazing and so is MKP but I think NSHS would have the biggest challenge with a good protoss. Still rooting for NSHS. Hopefully Jjakji can pull off a good build or Sage somehow does some good pvp. Also, I think Seal can do a good zvt.
The last two times the teams have met have ended 6-3 (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=307503) and 5-2 (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=312930) both to Prime, it's hard to see NSH winning this
On March 09 2012 02:05 Fionn wrote: HoSeo can take one set, but I don't know about two.
The Kings and Creator are too solid in almost all the match-ups to be taken down two Bo9's.
"The Kings" as in MK and Byun? Do we have any reason to believe that Byun should be taken in such high consideration?
MarineKing said recently Byun is the best Prime player. Also he has been to a GSL semifinal more recently than MarineKing. Byun always has a bunch of accounts atop the Korean Grandmaster ladder.
For example, he's currently #1 in Korea with a 75% on the Grandmaster ladder. The guy is insanely good.
So, he's just another ace for Prime, as if MKP and Creator were not enough. If this is true, it means that they just didn't need to use him so far.
They did use him vs Ret, he wasn't particularly convincing (though won and did one of the sickest marine splits I've seen in a while) but you might attribute that to some cross server issues I guess. Ret causing problems for a lot of good Terrans lately in general too.
Byun's always been awesome so I'm very happy seeing him be so highly regarded again.
i think ive got to root for NSH on this one. Theyve shown to be the more well rounded team i think. Prime seems to have maybe 3 players that can win games in this matchup, whereas NSH has shown around 6 who can win consistently.
Prime murdered NSHS in the GSTL. Maybe they'll actually just send out marineking 1st or 2nd to see how much damage he can do and clean up with creator. My 5-3 earlier might have been too generous. There's always a chance for NSHS to win this. They are a very strong team, but Prime's best players are on fire lately.
On March 09 2012 02:05 Fionn wrote: HoSeo can take one set, but I don't know about two.
The Kings and Creator are too solid in almost all the match-ups to be taken down two Bo9's.
"The Kings" as in MK and Byun? Do we have any reason to believe that Byun should be taken in such high consideration?
MarineKing said recently Byun is the best Prime player. Also he has been to a GSL semifinal more recently than MarineKing. Byun always has a bunch of accounts atop the Korean Grandmaster ladder.
For example, he's currently #1 in Korea with a 75% on the Grandmaster ladder. The guy is insanely good.
well that's ladder.
I would be cautious by judging about byuns skill atm. We just haven't seen that much out of him. But Creator, Marineking and the others should be enough to take this. Noone except for Jjakji could really impress lately.
Pretty funny how both NSHoseo and Prime were not invited, and actually had to qualify to make it into this tournament. Hope this means that more team leagues will invite them in the future, at least im sure IPL will, concidering the entertaining matches they provided this season.
On March 09 2012 05:02 Azuroz wrote: Pretty funny how NSHoseo was one of the teams that were not invited and actually qualified to make it into this tournament. Hope this means that more team leagues will invite them in the future, atleast im sure IPL will, concidering the entertaining matches they provided this season. Hoseo fighting!
Prime also qualified through the qualifiers. In fact i think Hoseo beat Prime in the finals of the qualifiers.
On March 09 2012 05:02 Azuroz wrote: Pretty funny how NSHoseo was one of the teams that were not invited and actually qualified to make it into this tournament. Hope this means that more team leagues will invite them in the future, atleast im sure IPL will, concidering the entertaining matches they provided this season. Hoseo fighting!
Prime also qualified through the qualifiers. In fact i think Hoseo beat Prime in the finals of the qualifiers.
Realized that just as i wrote it, good job by both of them!
On March 09 2012 02:05 Fionn wrote: HoSeo can take one set, but I don't know about two.
The Kings and Creator are too solid in almost all the match-ups to be taken down two Bo9's.
"The Kings" as in MK and Byun? Do we have any reason to believe that Byun should be taken in such high consideration?
MarineKing said recently Byun is the best Prime player. Also he has been to a GSL semifinal more recently than MarineKing. Byun always has a bunch of accounts atop the Korean Grandmaster ladder.
For example, he's currently #1 in Korea with a 75% on the Grandmaster ladder. The guy is insanely good.
I'm pretty sure that Byun isn't the best Prime player. It's like when DRG said that NesTea is still better than him, achievements wise it may be true but skillwise (current skill and it will probably stay as it is since NesTea is kinda "slow") DongRaeGu is better. They respect each other very much and Byun doesn't get recognition because of his "actions" so MKP reminds us that he is a total beast, thing that he'll show when you'll see him play. Oh and Prime will crush NsHoseo, but since there are two bo9 I hope that Creator & MarineKing will let their teammates play, wanna see some Byun & Maru actions :D. edit : WTF did I wrote lol, so many typos
On March 09 2012 05:30 Lovedoll wrote: Aren't Bumblebee and Terious the same player? Both names are listed on the Prime roster, lol.
Yes they are, or he is. Prime only has 3 zergs and their coach Gerrard also plays zerg but he is the coach so I'm not sure if he really counts as a player
On March 09 2012 05:23 Cosmos wrote: There is only one complain about this, it is only bo9 bo11 or even 13 (!) would be possible with theses teams and would be so epic
Keep in mind that if NSHoseo wins the first match they'll play a second Bo9 as well!
On March 09 2012 05:23 Cosmos wrote: There is only one complain about this, it is only bo9 bo11 or even 13 (!) would be possible with theses teams and would be so epic
Keep in mind that if NSHoseo wins the first match they'll play a second Bo9 as well!
On March 09 2012 04:44 Shellshock1122 wrote: Prime murdered NSHS in the GSTL. Maybe they'll actually just send out marineking 1st or 2nd to see how much damage he can do and clean up with creator. My 5-3 earlier might have been too generous. There's always a chance for NSHS to win this. They are a very strong team, but Prime's best players are on fire lately.
Yes, but these matches are quite volatile because so many players can suddenly go on a "hot streak". Gumiho all-killed NSHoseo, and it really seemed like FXO was just leagues ahead of NSHoseo. But then in the rematch, NSHoseo is able to convincingly beat FXO in revenge. I guess it is just whichever players have a good day.
NSHoSeo has been all-killed by three different terrans in past weeks, so they have a big problem with dealing with terrans. Between Maru, MarineKing and Byun, they are going to struggle in these set(s).
On March 09 2012 07:43 Leifish wrote: MKP is arguably the best player in the world right now. There's no stopping him.
Its hard to say comparatively. He wasn't convincing vs Genuis in Code S (though he did manage a 3-2 scoreline overall), DRG made him look bad in that group as well, but MKP was much more competitive in the Arena final, and we haven't really seen MKP play MMA for a while.
As far as form line goes though, he's right up there with DRG. All of his matchups are looking very solid (TvT and TvP especially). I'm still a little iffy about his TvZ, even after his win over DRG, but its still solid nonetheless.
One thing though is he has to be full of confidence at the moment. I can't wait to see how he does at MLG, IPL and GSL S2.
On March 09 2012 07:43 Leifish wrote: MKP is arguably the best player in the world right now. There's no stopping him.
Its hard to say comparatively. He wasn't convincing vs Genuis in Code S (though he did manage a 3-2 scoreline overall), DRG made him look bad in that group as well, but MKP was much more competitive in the Arena final, and we haven't really seen MKP play MMA for a while.
As far as form line goes though, he's right up there with DRG. All of his matchups are looking very solid (TvT and TvP especially). I'm still a little iffy about his TvZ, even after his win over DRG, but its still solid nonetheless.
One thing though is he has to be full of confidence at the moment. I can't wait to see how he does at MLG, IPL and GSL S2.
It's too soon atm, he will be if he can deliver in IPL or GSL, particularly GSL. If he can play to his best abilities though, he is really really scary good but he has had problems in important matches in the past, let's hope this MLG victory is a new start
On March 09 2012 07:43 Leifish wrote: MKP is arguably the best player in the world right now. There's no stopping him.
Its hard to say comparatively. He wasn't convincing vs Genuis in Code S (though he did manage a 3-2 scoreline overall), DRG made him look bad in that group as well, but MKP was much more competitive in the Arena final, and we haven't really seen MKP play MMA for a while.
As far as form line goes though, he's right up there with DRG. All of his matchups are looking very solid (TvT and TvP especially). I'm still a little iffy about his TvZ, even after his win over DRG, but its still solid nonetheless.
One thing though is he has to be full of confidence at the moment. I can't wait to see how he does at MLG, IPL and GSL S2.
It's too soon atm, he will be if he can deliver in IPL or GSL, particularly GSL. If he can play to his best abilities though, he is really really scary good but he has had problems in important matches in the past, let's hope this MLG victory is a new start
Something that I've noticed MKP has gotten much better at is composure and knowing when to pull the trigger. Specifically in his TvP and TvT, he just seems more patient and willing to wait for the right opportunity.
On March 09 2012 07:43 Leifish wrote: MKP is arguably the best player in the world right now. There's no stopping him.
Its hard to say comparatively. He wasn't convincing vs Genuis in Code S (though he did manage a 3-2 scoreline overall), DRG made him look bad in that group as well, but MKP was much more competitive in the Arena final, and we haven't really seen MKP play MMA for a while.
As far as form line goes though, he's right up there with DRG. All of his matchups are looking very solid (TvT and TvP especially). I'm still a little iffy about his TvZ, even after his win over DRG, but its still solid nonetheless.
One thing though is he has to be full of confidence at the moment. I can't wait to see how he does at MLG, IPL and GSL S2.
It's too soon atm, he will be if he can deliver in IPL or GSL, particularly GSL. If he can play to his best abilities though, he is really really scary good but he has had problems in important matches in the past, let's hope this MLG victory is a new start
Something that I've noticed MKP has gotten much better at is composure and knowing when to pull the trigger. Specifically in his TvP and TvT, he just seems more patient and willing to wait for the right opportunity.
Yes like in his games against Happy, but the true test will be against Mvp. If he can overcome him he'll deliver his potential
kinda funny how the tl writers still bash mkp's tvt and praise his tvz when his tvt this year is 80% and his tvz is 60% haha. seal's probably their best bet against mkp. mkp fighting!
On March 09 2012 07:43 Leifish wrote: MKP is arguably the best player in the world right now. There's no stopping him.
Its hard to say comparatively. He wasn't convincing vs Genuis in Code S (though he did manage a 3-2 scoreline overall), DRG made him look bad in that group as well, but MKP was much more competitive in the Arena final, and we haven't really seen MKP play MMA for a while.
As far as form line goes though, he's right up there with DRG. All of his matchups are looking very solid (TvT and TvP especially). I'm still a little iffy about his TvZ, even after his win over DRG, but its still solid nonetheless.
One thing though is he has to be full of confidence at the moment. I can't wait to see how he does at MLG, IPL and GSL S2.
It's too soon atm, he will be if he can deliver in IPL or GSL, particularly GSL. If he can play to his best abilities though, he is really really scary good but he has had problems in important matches in the past, let's hope this MLG victory is a new start
Something that I've noticed MKP has gotten much better at is composure and knowing when to pull the trigger. Specifically in his TvP and TvT, he just seems more patient and willing to wait for the right opportunity.
Yes like in his games against Happy, but the true test will be against Mvp. If he can overcome him he'll deliver his potential
Absolutely. His TvT looked amazing in Ro32. People seem to have the misconception that his TvT is average, but that's only because MVP has made him look bad on multiple occasions (who hasn't MVP made look bad?). His TvT has always been solid, but now especially, its looking really good.
I didn't see his games vs Puma in the Iron Squid tourny, but apparently he demolished him.
On March 09 2012 08:13 GunPaladin wrote: MKP & Creator have this in the bag
Maru and Byun will have their say too if they get a shot, honestly I think Prime might put one of them up first to have their shot at the all kill, especially with a backup series
i think NSHS has this. If you look, aside from their 5-0 loss to gumiho, the team that has done best against them was --- Dignitas. Scoring 3 wins.
NSHS's players are all very solid in multiple matchups, where as Prime's members all have weakness. NSHS has the ability to go beyond sniping, able to send players with confidence in winning 2 or even 3 games at a time. Yes Creator is cool, and so is MKP
but jjakji game 1 --> NSHS wins
GO NSHS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gl to both teams though
(did i post too much caps in this post? I was recently banned for too much all caps, and I hope i'm not going overboard here >.<)
very good match ! hope it will be close, but as always in matches "prime vs ..." - almost impossible to stop all of marineking + creator + maru + bboongbboong atm
On March 09 2012 09:42 TheNessman wrote: NSHS FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i think NSHS has this. If you look, aside from their 5-0 loss to gumiho, the team that has done best against them was --- Dignitas. Scoring 3 wins.
NSHS's players are all very solid in multiple matchups, where as Prime's members all have weakness. NSHS has the ability to go beyond sniping, able to send players with confidence in winning 2 or even 3 games at a time. Yes Creator is cool, and so is MKP
but jjakji game 1 --> NSHS wins
GO NSHS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gl to both teams though
(did i post too much caps in this post? I was recently banned for too much all caps, and I hope i'm not going overboard here >.<)
They certainly won't want to be all-killed again by MKP like they were a few weeks ago. The biggest problem for them is they have to win 2 Bo9's. Even if they manage the scrape out of the first, its still a really big ask.
Couldn't have asked for a better finals! Two teams that may not receive all the hype, but when it comes to team leagues NSH and Prime are as close to complete packages as you can get. Go New Star!
On March 09 2012 10:05 Meiffeltower wrote: wait what?.. not in map pool?.. players decide themselves?.. hmmm
I think it's a good call from the refs/IGN to allow it, CK is a standard enough map that wasn't played when TAC started, if both teams agree it's better for everyone imo.
For the map choice, since it was the very first map they played and it is in fact already added to our Tournament of Champions and IPL4 Map Pools, we're fine with it. =)
On March 09 2012 10:09 IGNProLeague wrote: For the map choice, since it was the very first map they played and it is in fact already added to our Tournament of Champions and IPL4 Map Pools, we're fine with it. =)
Good choice since it seems to be a fairly balanced map.
On March 09 2012 09:42 TheNessman wrote: NSHS FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i think NSHS has this. If you look, aside from their 5-0 loss to gumiho, the team that has done best against them was --- Dignitas. Scoring 3 wins.
NSHS's players are all very solid in multiple matchups, where as Prime's members all have weakness. NSHS has the ability to go beyond sniping, able to send players with confidence in winning 2 or even 3 games at a time. Yes Creator is cool, and so is MKP
but jjakji game 1 --> NSHS wins
GO NSHS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gl to both teams though
(did i post too much caps in this post? I was recently banned for too much all caps, and I hope i'm not going overboard here >.<)
They certainly won't want to be all-killed again by MKP like they were a few weeks ago. The biggest problem for them is they have to win 2 Bo9's. Even if they manage the scrape out of the first, its still a really big ask.
On March 09 2012 10:21 Type|NarutO wrote: If Maru wins I guess NSHS will send out Seal on one of the macro maps while I think if Tassadar wins Prime is going to send out MKP already.
Just wanted to thank you for your insightful posts during this team league. They were really appreciated.
Its 'too early' too tell but Maru didn't see gas at the natural of the Protoss so that usually could mean that there will be a very agressive gateway-push or immortal-gateway push coming. Since we already have a robo it obviously could be another style.
If you are going for blink and a double forge you don't really need the extra gases right away, but can add them after the robo. (Genius GSL build is kind of similar, 1 gate expand but usually with 1 gas into 3 gate robo , double observer, double forge, immortals... don't call me out on that exactly)
Edit: Man Tassadar is kind of... strange. I think this two base either storm/zealot or archon/zealot style is a bit outdated since its just a lot worse without the khaldarin amulet.
Maru is playing it exactly right. He did scan (I think) the templar tech and knows he cannot press the issue, yet he already has his third base up and I think I even saw a double ebay. So even if he cannot press the issue or go for the kill, he can turtle exactly like he is doing with bunkers and wait until he has ghosts and better upgrades and move out.
Obviously you still have to get scouting information, because you have to either hit before double robo is added OR add vikings (+upgrades) beforehand.
What the FUCK was Tassadar thinking, he's getting a third, yeah he's behind economically but attacking into THAT WALL? Come on you're better than that >.>
Dang maru has really good upgrades, and another drop deying the 3rd but Now pusyhing in with the big army as well!! Nice storm but there is SO MUCH BIO and not enough for tass, Maru moving in and
On March 09 2012 10:21 Type|NarutO wrote: If Maru wins I guess NSHS will send out Seal on one of the macro maps while I think if Tassadar wins Prime is going to send out MKP already.
Just wanted to thank you for your insightful posts during this team league. They were really appreciated.
On March 09 2012 10:32 Type|NarutO wrote: Losing the third was very unnecessary from Maru, but he still is in good shape especially if you consider he's 2-2 against 1-0-1 ?
i think it was 2 armor from tassadar. +1 attack was still researching
On March 09 2012 10:21 Type|NarutO wrote: If Maru wins I guess NSHS will send out Seal on one of the macro maps while I think if Tassadar wins Prime is going to send out MKP already.
Just wanted to thank you for your insightful posts during this team league. They were really appreciated.
On March 09 2012 10:21 Type|NarutO wrote: If Maru wins I guess NSHS will send out Seal on one of the macro maps while I think if Tassadar wins Prime is going to send out MKP already.
Just wanted to thank you for your insightful posts during this team league. They were really appreciated.
On March 09 2012 10:32 Type|NarutO wrote: Losing the third was very unnecessary from Maru, but he still is in good shape especially if you consider he's 2-2 against 1-0-1 ?
I believe his delay in lifting it was due to the drop occurring at the exact second Tassadar decided to engage his third.
On March 09 2012 10:21 Type|NarutO wrote: If Maru wins I guess NSHS will send out Seal on one of the macro maps while I think if Tassadar wins Prime is going to send out MKP already.
Just wanted to thank you for your insightful posts during this team league. They were really appreciated.
Maru vs Seal should be a good match. Daybreak is also a very good map for Seal to take the victory and I'll really look into how Maru playes it out there. In my opinion Seal is going to take the game and Prime is probably going to send out BBoongBBoong because
- he's good in ZvZ - he's good in ZvP
also the mirror-match up allows Prime to pick (steal) a map that would be good for NSHS' ace Jjakji. Just my thoughts^^! Obviously since its Prime it could always be Creator or MKP-_-; but I'm saying most likely is BBoongBBoong. Second choice would be MKP.
I wonder why Prime has been using Annyeong instead of Bboongbboong. I always through Bboongbboong was better. Maybe he's not available? I feel like their top 5 should consist of Bbbb, Maru, MKP, Creator, and allegedly Byun
On March 09 2012 10:37 Type|NarutO wrote: Maru vs Seal should be a good match. Daybreak is also a very good map for Seal to take the victory and I'll really look into how Maru playes it out there. In my opinion Seal is going to take the game and Prime is probably going to send out BBoongBBoong because
- he's good in ZvZ - he's good in ZvP
also the mirror-match up allows Prime to pick (steal) a map that would be good for NSHS' ace Jjakji. Just my thoughts^^!
Oh yea I forgot bboongboong was pretty good at zvz but I feel like sending out bb 3rd eliminates any chance that Byun is used. Marineking could have just been hyping him though. Their last 2 would most likely be Marineking and Creator. I can't see Prime sitting one of them. I guess there's a possibility of Byun instead of Creator if it comes down to Jjakji vs Last player for Prime with a 4-4 score or something, but even then... Creator is strong vs T
On March 09 2012 10:37 Type|NarutO wrote: Maru vs Seal should be a good match. Daybreak is also a very good map for Seal to take the victory and I'll really look into how Maru playes it out there. In my opinion Seal is going to take the game and Prime is probably going to send out BBoongBBoong because
- he's good in ZvZ - he's good in ZvP
also the mirror-match up allows Prime to pick (steal) a map that would be good for NSHS' ace Jjakji. Just my thoughts^^!
Oh yea I forgot bboongboong was pretty good at zvz but I feel like sending out bb 3rd eliminates any chance that Byun is used. Marineking could have just been hyping him though. Their last 2 would most likely be Marineking and Creator. I can't see Prime sitting one of them. I guess there's a possibility of Byun instead of Creator if it comes down to Jjakji vs Last player for Prime with a 4-4 score or something, but even then... Creator is strong vs T
If Prime has Creator left and their opponent is Terran, especially Jjakji I cannot see them not choose Creator.
On March 09 2012 10:37 Type|NarutO wrote: Maru vs Seal should be a good match. Daybreak is also a very good map for Seal to take the victory and I'll really look into how Maru playes it out there. In my opinion Seal is going to take the game and Prime is probably going to send out BBoongBBoong because
- he's good in ZvZ - he's good in ZvP
also the mirror-match up allows Prime to pick (steal) a map that would be good for NSHS' ace Jjakji. Just my thoughts^^!
Oh yea I forgot bboongboong was pretty good at zvz but I feel like sending out bb 3rd eliminates any chance that Byun is used. Marineking could have just been hyping him though. Their last 2 would most likely be Marineking and Creator. I can't see Prime sitting one of them. I guess there's a possibility of Byun instead of Creator if it comes down to Jjakji vs Last player for Prime with a 4-4 score or something, but even then... Creator is strong vs T
If Prime has Creator left and their opponent is Terran, especially Jjakji I cannot see them not choose Creator.
I guess you have ot have faith in your top players instead of always trying to play the opponent's weakness. Creator has top tier PvT but I guess that recent loss to NaDa is just nagging me. You're probably right, though
I do really like what Maru is doing besides sending his first hellion(s) behind the mineral line. Seal usually tends to play a very creep heavy (no problem in terms of defence for you) style with a lot of zerglings and a few banelings and delayed tech. So basically he's not going to hit you early and especially not VERY early with mutalisks!
So Maru can sit or take his 3rd base and also get tanks early on and thats exactly what he's doing. He doesn't really need a high marine count early on as there won't be mass ling pressure or sorts of it! loving it. Especially the double-ebay.
maru playing really really greedy -_- . seal trying to get good creep spread. +1 cara for Seal. 1/1 coming for Maru. Finally building more barracks and fact and starport. 2 tanks beyond that. Seal going spire and getting baneling speed as well as a 3rd. and now +1 attack. and burrow.
Naruto, what do you think the better option for a 3rd is? The forward or side one? I guess since he already has an orbital he should fly that CC to the side base and put a planetary at the middle/forward base?
Maru has 2-2 on the way and the Zerg is working on 1-0 for zerglings. If Maru hits a good timing with 2-2 and a good tank count and doesn't fall apart to some sort of mass-muta play, he's in very good shape and it will be very dangerous for Seal. I think his best bet would be either
a) mutalisks picking out tanks of the army b) investing into a massive 200/200 (or as much as he can get until that timing) baneling/zergling/muta army and hit Maru hard while he defends c) still get his tech up while he's doing so
Because if he sits on an upgrade disadvantage and techs he could easily die to a timing push.
On March 09 2012 10:45 Shellshock1122 wrote: Naruto, what do you think the better option for a 3rd is? The forward or side one? I guess since he already has an orbital he should fly that CC to the side base and put a planetary at the middle/forward base?
When I'm playing like Polt usuall does with his initial six hellions I'm always taking the side-3rd base. I don't really like the forward base. Not only is it less - mineral patches and less gas, but its also shorter for the Zerg to reinforce and can be attacked from 3 angles.
Front, Top, Bottom.
While you can only attack the side base from either 1 side or going through the natural area and then down... so , I would prefer the side with a supply wall.
So these 6min 3rd CCs in TvZ seem extremely common these days - is it not possible to bust these with like a roach or baneling all-in? I don't think I've even see people try
Seal is playing it exactly right, besides a few so-so engagements, he's doing completely sick! He got his tech and drone count up while still getting enough army to defend or even pressure, absolute brilliant play. Now he has to work on not-dying before infestor/broodlord.
On March 09 2012 10:50 TheNessman wrote: seal wins hahahahahahhahhhahahahah you can't just play like that against a zerg???? no pressure until 3 attack
seal just built a few infestors broods and banes, and wiped out all of marus army.
Mainly the whole " Fast 33 CC but never take the third " failure. :/
On March 09 2012 10:50 Type|NarutO wrote: Calm before the Storm or Shattered I guess.
Do you want to play Seal on CBTS though? I know it would be good to get rid of the map for someone like Sage but Seal seems much stronger the later the game gets. Marineking beat him quick last time by just 2 raxing him on Belshir beach. Im thinking shattered
On March 09 2012 10:50 Type|NarutO wrote: Calm before the Storm or Shattered I guess.
Do you want to play Seal on CBTS though? I know it would be good to get rid of the map for someone like Sage but Seal seems much stronger the later the game gets. Marineking beat him quick last time by just 2 raxing him on Belshir beach. Im thinking shattered
On March 09 2012 10:50 TheNessman wrote: seal wins hahahahahahhahhhahahahah you can't just play like that against a zerg???? no pressure until 3 attack
seal just built a few infestors broods and banes, and wiped out all of marus army.
Mainly the whole " Fast 33 CC but never take the third " failure. :/
On March 09 2012 10:50 Type|NarutO wrote: Calm before the Storm or Shattered I guess.
Do you want to play Seal on CBTS though? I know it would be good to get rid of the map for someone like Sage but Seal seems much stronger the later the game gets. Marineking beat him quick last time by just 2 raxing him on Belshir beach. Im thinking shattered
Yes, your statement makes more sense. Also CBTS is very good for Creator to fall back on against a possible Jjakji!
On March 09 2012 10:50 TheNessman wrote: seal wins hahahahahahhahhhahahahah you can't just play like that against a zerg???? no pressure until 3 attack
seal just built a few infestors broods and banes, and wiped out all of marus army.
Mainly the whole " Fast 33 CC but never take the third " failure. :/
I would never go pool first against MKP. Yes obviously you will have earlier zerglings and your 'expansion' will not be bunkerrushed. The thing is that someone like MKP with his insanely well controlled marines could abuse that fact that you lack larva, wait a bit more and force you to spend all your larva non-stop on zerglings.
Due to that he can either damage you besides not bunkerrushing OR catch you offguard and kill you, because you only made six lings.
On March 09 2012 10:57 Type|NarutO wrote: I would never go pool first against MKP. Yes obviously you will have earlier zerglings and your 'expansion' will not be bunkerrushed. The thing is that someone like MKP with his insanely well controlled marines could abuse that fact that you lack larva, wait a bit more and force you to spend all your larva non-stop on zerglings.
Due to that he can either damage you besides not bunkerrushing OR catch you offguard and kill you, because you only made six lings.
Which is pretty much what is happening without Marineking even attacking yet
Maru clearly didn't read The Terran Baneling-Mine Handler's Manual, where the following is clearly stated.
Should intelligence suggest that the Zerg researched burrow technology while banelings have hitherto been spotted in the Field of Operations, you shall adhere to the following guidelines: option 1. Scan before every chokepoint, before and after engagements, and upon the Zerg exhibiting baiting or other suspicious behaviour; option 2. Build a Raven unit, ref. Drazerk's Approach to Terran Detection & Support, Drazerk et al.; option 3. Keep your hands nearby the key "G".
On March 09 2012 10:57 Type|NarutO wrote: I would never go pool first against MKP. Yes obviously you will have earlier zerglings and your 'expansion' will not be bunkerrushed. The thing is that someone like MKP with his insanely well controlled marines could abuse that fact that you lack larva, wait a bit more and force you to spend all your larva non-stop on zerglings.
Due to that he can either damage you besides not bunkerrushing OR catch you offguard and kill you, because you only made six lings.
Which is pretty much what is happening without Marineking even attacking yet
Essentially, yes. I'm really weirded out to see Seal making so many lings here.
If MKP wins -> Sage on CBTS (he'll steal the map away from Creator and increase his chances as well). If Seal wins I guess it will be BBoongBBoong into Creator.
On March 09 2012 10:50 TheNessman wrote: seal wins hahahahahahhahhhahahahah you can't just play like that against a zerg???? no pressure until 3 attack
seal just built a few infestors broods and banes, and wiped out all of marus army.
Mainly the whole " Fast 33 CC but never take the third " failure. :/
MKP scans and takes oiut so much creep , moving in to take out a spine and an Evo chamber without any reaction. pre splitting the marines, leaving a few maruaders in the front
seal only has like 10 banesm moving in!!!!
ALL THE BANES DIE
MKP with like 10 more marines! More banes but nice target firign!!!! MKP backs off though as seal has just built 10 more lings.
a but some more banes actually do NO damage and jsut die. MKP with a strong army here and seal looking a little weak. BUT MKP decides to pull back probably because of no medivaks.
floating fact into the main, seal deciding to take the middle with some lings, but MKP taking the GOLD
On March 09 2012 11:02 Jyvblamo wrote: MKP actually had someone else do Challenge 29 for him, which is very strange considering it was just marine micro
What's funny is Challenge 29 is broken. If you move the 2 outer marines halfway back the zealots glitch and just walk back and forth between the marines until they die. 0 micro required
muats out but not doing any damage which is weird because MKPS army is out in the middle.... OH GOD MOVING IN SNIPES THE BANELING NEST WALKS INTO THE MAIN MARUADERS SOAKING UP SO MANY BANELING HITS OMG WOW GG
On March 09 2012 11:00 Noocta wrote: Oh, that's the 2rax into 4rax very late factory build that we saw in the day9 daily.
nice! what else has Day9 been talking about ? i haven't watched a daily in soooo long haha
He analized a lot of pro builds. Naniwa PvT style, Stephano lategame ZvP, etc. You should try to watch a few episode, there's a lot more content for higher player these days. ^^
On March 09 2012 11:00 Noocta wrote: Oh, that's the 2rax into 4rax very late factory build that we saw in the day9 daily.
nice! what else has Day9 been talking about ? i haven't watched a daily in soooo long haha
He analized a lot of pro builds. Naniwa PvT style, Stephano lategame ZvP, etc. You should try to watch a few episode, there's a lot more content for higher player these days. ^^
Gaaahh, the second MKP gained that ramp it was over, beautiful control by MKP, that's a tough position for any zerg, close by air on shattered against MKP and his early aggression into bio.
On March 09 2012 11:09 TheNessman wrote: I would say sage and san both have chances to beat MKP.
although that might just be me being a fanboy
San beat him recently. It's possible. CBTS is a good chance for Sage although MKP beat Parting on the map. That game was pretty funny because marineking didnt even scout and attacked the wrong base first
On March 09 2012 11:05 Shellshock1122 wrote: Last 2 times I've seen Seal vs Marineking it's just been brutally one sided
MKP is clearly a better overall player, but I also think that his play is almost a hard stylistic counter to Seal's. His bio pushes are microed flawlessly, particularly against ling/bane (with his excellent marauder shielding), and he is overall very aggressive during the early and mid game, where Seal seems to be less comfortable.
If Sage loses, I think they ought to send out San over Jjakji. TvT is Jjakji's weakest matchup plus San as the ace would have to deal with PvZ (BboongBboong) and PvP (Creator), which he is not entirely comfortable with. Is Tal'Darim still on the board?
I think NSHOSO need to take down MKP with one of their protoss and then having a shot at killing Creator in PvP. Jjakji can beat Creator but that's still his best match up.
On March 09 2012 11:12 CosmicSpiral wrote: If Sage loses, I think they would prefer to send out San over Jjakji.
Fun fact! Marineking is 6-2 all time vs Jjakji, 2-1 vs San Small sample size but both players will have their work cut out for them. Jjakji still didnt beat marineking in Code A when he was playing pretty mediocre TvT.
Marineking and Sage have only faced on 2 occasions in liquipedia recorded tournaments. Marineking defeated Sage in GSTL this season. Prior, Sage defeated Marineking 2-0, but that was waaaaaaaay back last June during the LG3D tourney that DRG won on the same day as the super tournament so it's pretty irrelevant
warp prism from sage gives vision of the high ground, manages to take out a bunker and some marines without taking any losses ! now going for the back but the SCVS just get a surround and thats too much for the sentries lol.
Gah. Can't fall behind in upgrades as protoss vs terran. Marineking prime hitting at 1/1 and then at 2/2 nice play even though Sage out multitasked him that game.
Jjakji needs to take out MKP for NSH to have a chance I think. San can finish it if Jjakji goes down after this, but MKP has to be gone before San comes in
On March 09 2012 11:25 MegaFonzie wrote: Jjakji needs to take out MKP for NSH to have a chance I think. San can finish it if Jjakji goes down after this, but MKP has to be gone before San comes in
Reaper / Hellion / Medivac into cloak banshee with expand, good build but if he goes combat shields first and a lot of barracks (and he really likes to do that) he will hold and win.
turret at the nat as wel, but another banshee shuts it down. and the turret at the main also not up! this banshee doing so much damange, a lot of mules for MKP means he doesn't have scans!
combat shields and +1 attack on the way for mkp but JJJ moving out with marines 2 tanks and some hellions!
On March 09 2012 11:32 Type|NarutO wrote: Reaper / Hellion / Medivac into cloak banshee with expand, good build but if he goes combat shields first and a lot of barracks (and he really likes to do that) he will hold and win.
So fucking greedy, he knows that a cloak followup is SOOOOOOO likely but delays his turrets forever can loses 15+ scvs...
On March 09 2012 11:32 Type|NarutO wrote: Reaper / Hellion / Medivac into cloak banshee with expand, good build but if he goes combat shields first and a lot of barracks (and he really likes to do that) he will hold and win.
Very good build against stim first tho. So hard to execute tho. You really need to nopt lose any reaper / hellions / banshee without doing worthy damage.
On March 09 2012 11:36 Shellshock1122 wrote: Damn I was busy watching something else. Marineking looks like he's down pretty bad
grats on 12k ><
Year Jjakji's banshee harass rolled MKP, although he probably saved the game for the time being by sniping 2 tanks with highground vision because Jjakji was too trigger happy
but MKPs nat is COMPLETELy shut down. JJJ even building a turret in the back, although its at the wrong angle to pick off the medvak but it GOES DOWN after some fast reactions.
even a bunker outside of MKPs nat.
JJJ looking good. idk what he's gonnd do next though.
On March 09 2012 11:36 Shellshock1122 wrote: Damn I was busy watching something else. Marineking looks like he's down pretty bad
grats on 12k ><
Year Jjakji's banshee harass rolled MKP, although he probably saved the game for the time being by sniping 2 tanks with highground vision because Jjakji was too trigger happy
AAAA and MKP tries to break but it doesn't work! And now MKP has like 0 units and JJJ drops the nat with a lot of marines! The tanks dealing w/ marauders and
Well CBTS is already down due to Sage's failed attempt at an MKP snipe, I'd imagine Creator is up next but Antiga and sanshorn really aren't that great PvT so I'd imagine Term maybe?
On March 09 2012 11:42 MegaFonzie wrote: Wow how did I miss that rule haha!
Potential second bo9 is awesome
T_T i missed that too...
i guess lol. doesn't make sense in a team league IMO.
in Bw (not trying to flame, just a comparison)
In the SPL finals, the playoffs were a bo3 bo7, so sometimes there was a 3rd best of 7 on a 3rd day.
But the FINALS. the finals were always ONE bo7. This was so that when it got to the ace match. the 7th match. the final match of the series.
It really was the last match.
there were no second chances.
--- end --- // ok just comparing!
it's always 2 series if bracket is full double elimination and player/team from loser bracket wins 1st series ^^ this and only this makes perfect sense
On March 09 2012 11:41 TheNessman wrote: who will prime send after creator? assuming JJJ wins obviously
Terious or BBoongBBoong I guess. Most likely BBBB
Why not GhostKing?
I just don't believe it will be Byun^^
why? Because other people say byun, you're the only one saying not byun!
Naruto sees things that most cannot. I said Byun but I trust Naruto's gut instinct. He's already made several correct predictions, not only players but maps as well.
On March 09 2012 11:42 MegaFonzie wrote: Wow how did I miss that rule haha!
Potential second bo9 is awesome
T_T i missed that too...
i guess lol. doesn't make sense in a team league IMO.
in Bw (not trying to flame, just a comparison)
In the SPL finals, the playoffs were a bo3 bo7, so sometimes there was a 3rd best of 7 on a 3rd day.
But the FINALS. the finals were always ONE bo7. This was so that when it got to the ace match. the 7th match. the final match of the series.
It really was the last match.
there were no second chances.
--- end --- // ok just comparing!
It's a double elimination tournament
i've gathered that.
I didn't watch bw but was SPL double elimination playoffs?
No. it was always 1 bo7 or something.
So it's hard to compare a single elimination tournament to a double elimination tournament. This is how double elimination typically works when you reach the finals. Prime hasn't lost a series yet. They are allowed 1 lost series. Imagine it almost as if they lost in the winner's bracket and are now in the loser's bracket
On March 09 2012 11:41 TheNessman wrote: who will prime send after creator? assuming JJJ wins obviously
Terious or BBoongBBoong I guess. Most likely BBBB
Why not GhostKing?
I just don't believe it will be Byun^^
why? Because other people say byun, you're the only one saying not byun!
Naruto sees things that most cannot. I said Byun but I trust Naruto's gut instinct. He's already made several correct predictions, not only players but maps as well.
that's what i'm starting to notice he seems like he knows his stuff!
I wish you could see win-loss for specific matchups on sc2 ranks. I'm curious to what Byun's strength's are. His NEXexcrement account is currently #1 GM
On March 09 2012 11:49 Shellshock1122 wrote: I wish you could see win-loss for specific matchups on sc2 ranks. I'm curious to what Byun's strength's are. His NEXexcrement account is currently #1 GM
On March 09 2012 11:49 Shellshock1122 wrote: I wish you could see win-loss for specific matchups on sc2 ranks. I'm curious to what Byun's strength's are. His NEXexcrement account is currently #1 GM
On March 09 2012 11:47 -_- wrote: fucking accurate description of creator prime's build and style by c's pjs. respect
care to say again? i have the casters on mute
I've studied cp's build in depth. cats pjs described it perfectly. 1 gate expo into 3 gate robo into double forge into colli (then archon immortal). cats pj hit it perfectly.
On March 09 2012 11:49 Shellshock1122 wrote: I wish you could see win-loss for specific matchups on sc2 ranks. I'm curious to what Byun's strength's are. His NEXexcrement account is currently #1 GM
On March 09 2012 11:47 -_- wrote: fucking accurate description of creator prime's build and style by c's pjs. respect
care to say again? i have the casters on mute
I've studied cp's build in depth. cats pjs described it perfectly. 1 gate expo into 3 gate robo into double forge into colli (then archon immortal). cats pj hit it perfectly.
On March 09 2012 11:49 Shellshock1122 wrote: I wish you could see win-loss for specific matchups on sc2 ranks. I'm curious to what Byun's strength's are. His NEXexcrement account is currently #1 GM
On March 09 2012 11:47 -_- wrote: fucking accurate description of creator prime's build and style by c's pjs. respect
care to say again? i have the casters on mute
I've studied cp's build in depth. cats pjs described it perfectly. 1 gate expo into 3 gate robo into double forge into colli (then archon immortal). cats pj hit it perfectly.
funnily, cp deviated from his build tho!
yeah must be mind games or something!
Usually he don't mindgame. That's why everyone is mindblowed, Creator never do something else. :d
On March 09 2012 11:49 Shellshock1122 wrote: I wish you could see win-loss for specific matchups on sc2 ranks. I'm curious to what Byun's strength's are. His NEXexcrement account is currently #1 GM
On March 09 2012 11:41 TheNessman wrote: who will prime send after creator? assuming JJJ wins obviously
Terious or BBoongBBoong I guess. Most likely BBBB
Why not GhostKing?
I just don't believe it will be Byun^^
why? Because other people say byun, you're the only one saying not byun!
Naruto sees things that most cannot. I said Byun but I trust Naruto's gut instinct. He's already made several correct predictions, not only players but maps as well.
I think neither Byun nor BBBB are as good as Jjakji and I don't know the map statistics by heart, but if there is another map that favors Zerg left they would give away a map-picking advantage against Jjakji. Obviously in TvT there usually is no advantage but if you can get one, why not choose to take it?
On March 09 2012 11:49 Shellshock1122 wrote: I wish you could see win-loss for specific matchups on sc2 ranks. I'm curious to what Byun's strength's are. His NEXexcrement account is currently #1 GM
A alll the colo Die , immortal goes down too but JJJ 's army is finally dying but now reinforcing but no medivaks now only vikings and jjj not looking too good???? this engagement
On March 09 2012 11:57 Noocta wrote: WHAT THE HELLLL
Jjakji killed ALL the zealots without even taking a colossus hit.
EMP on sentries....kite for days, Creator didn't really have a positional advantage in that engage either, Jjakji chose not to engage in the choke and was able to kite out of it after his stim up.
On March 09 2012 11:59 TheNessman wrote: the fact that JJJ is engaging and SUPPRESSING Creators Colossus count means that as the game goes later i would say he gets a bigger advantage.
creator finally warping in some sentries lol. only like 4 colo ?
oh nice and JJJ finds the nexus is he gonna get it??? YES forces the cancel
Jjakji has a huge problem, because he has no viking upgrades yet. Colossi with +3 armor (not even talking about shields) are really durable against 0/0 vikings.
On March 09 2012 11:59 TheNessman wrote: the fact that JJJ is engaging and SUPPRESSING Creators Colossus count means that as the game goes later i would say he gets a bigger advantage.
creator finally warping in some sentries lol. only like 4 colo ?
oh nice and JJJ finds the nexus is he gonna get it??? YES forces the cancel
Creator missed his timing imo. His strengh is getting a maxed army with 3-3 colossus chargelots archons before terrans can be 3-3 with ghost and vikings.
On March 09 2012 12:02 Noocta wrote: Creator missed his timing imo. His strengh is getting a maxed army with 3-3 colossus chargelots archons before terrans can be 3-3 with ghost and vikings.
forge snipe was pretty big. put his + attack upgrade far behind and he did his double forge later than normal so it was much later than usual
On March 09 2012 12:04 sitromit wrote: So if it goes to a 2nd best of 9, can the use the players again who lost the first time, or do they have to keep fielding only whoever is left?
On March 09 2012 12:04 sitromit wrote: So if it goes to a 2nd best of 9, can the use the players again who lost the first time, or do they have to keep fielding only whoever is left?
I would assume they can start with all their players back since it would be like the start of a whole new match that happens to start instantly after the first one
On March 09 2012 11:59 TheNessman wrote: the fact that JJJ is engaging and SUPPRESSING Creators Colossus count means that as the game goes later i would say he gets a bigger advantage.
creator finally warping in some sentries lol. only like 4 colo ?
oh nice and JJJ finds the nexus is he gonna get it??? YES forces the cancel
Yeah, it's like the opposite of TvP in BW where the protoss would want to do trade at smaller armies to keep the tank count low
horrible engagement by creator. all his melee united had to charge around rocks! I think it would've been a fair trade if creator had attacked in an open area.
On March 09 2012 11:59 TheNessman wrote: the fact that JJJ is engaging and SUPPRESSING Creators Colossus count means that as the game goes later i would say he gets a bigger advantage.
creator finally warping in some sentries lol. only like 4 colo ?
oh nice and JJJ finds the nexus is he gonna get it??? YES forces the cancel
Yeah, it's like the opposite of TvP in BW where the protoss would want to do trade at smaller armies to keep the tank count low
On March 09 2012 12:03 TheNessman wrote: byun T_T this guy is a cheater and isn't respectable IMO AFK for this game i don't care
He never cheated afaik, he just asked Coca to leave seeing as he was already seeded and Byun wanted a code A spot, he's really young, but shows promising play, idk why you wouldn't respect him but thats you're decision, no need to inform us >.>
If a second series is played, it would be a total series reset, all players available to both teams and all maps available as well. Except Cloud Kingdom, lololol.
And here I was thinking MKP is awesome as fuck. Then Jjakji comes out and destroys the Prime aces. Excited to see what Byun can bring to the table. If MKP says he is a beast then I believe it.
Yeah, I may also need to hit the hay for the next set.
I would really love it if the Grand Finals for the team arena could start a bit earlier. With the knowledge that it could be twice as long as the regular scheduled matches, it makes sense to place it earlier in the day.
Here we go again!! I love this format, leads to so many awesome matches.
Just hit 3:20 here in England but I'm not sleeping until this is all over. I really don't like watching rebroadcasts/VODs. So I do it the hardcore way!!!
On March 09 2012 12:21 TripTrip wrote: Here we go again!! I love this format, leads to so many awesome matches.
Just hit 3:20 here in England but I'm not sleeping until this is all over. I really don't like watching rebroadcasts/VODs. So I do it the hardcore way!!!
You've earned my respect for your hardcore dedication.
Every time I see that commercial I get butterflies. IPL doing serious work for E-Sports and gamers in general. Loved this entire IPLTAC and can't wait for this set and the next TAC!
On March 09 2012 12:06 IGNProLeague wrote: If a second series is played, it would be a total series reset, all players available to both teams and all maps available as well. Except Cloud Kingdom, lololol.
On March 09 2012 12:03 TheNessman wrote: byun T_T this guy is a cheater and isn't respectable IMO AFK for this game i don't care
He never cheated afaik, he just asked Coca to leave seeing as he was already seeded and Byun wanted a code A spot, he's really young, but shows promising play, idk why you wouldn't respect him but thats you're decision, no need to inform us >.>
You saying "no need to inform us" is me saying "no need to say you don't care about what i'm saying"
yes none of us NEED to post anything. But I want to point out that I can't believe he did that and that is awful that he did.
On March 09 2012 12:06 IGNProLeague wrote: If a second series is played, it would be a total series reset, all players available to both teams and all maps available as well. Except Cloud Kingdom, lololol.
On March 09 2012 12:03 TheNessman wrote: byun T_T this guy is a cheater and isn't respectable IMO AFK for this game i don't care
He never cheated afaik, he just asked Coca to leave seeing as he was already seeded and Byun wanted a code A spot, he's really young, but shows promising play, idk why you wouldn't respect him but thats you're decision, no need to inform us >.>
You saying "no need to inform us" is me saying "no need to say you don't care about what i'm saying"
yes none of us NEED to post anything. But I want to point out that I can't believe he did that and that is awful that he did.
Is it acceptable when people post 'Only Koreans left I'm not watching anymore' in LR threads?
I wanted you to realize that Byun didn't cheat, and only jokingly asked Coca to leave in a really, really retarded spontaneous decision that he regretted and got penalized for. Your previous posts seemed to show that you didn't have much knowledge of the situation.
Well this game was pretty 1 sided as soon as Sculp decided to engage with the scvs instead of stall more it went downhill for him
This makes me wonder what seal could have done with a better first round Code A draw. Maru is on the verge of being a Code S player potentially. Seal unfortunately went down 2-1 to Squirtle
I think his spine crawler didn't cover his ramp and that's why he had to sacrifice the zerglings/queen, but I can't actually tell since twitch.tv sometimes skips for 15 seconds. :o
Interesting that Sage picked Talderim instead of Calm before the Storm for a PvT. Looks like NsH is saving CbtS for marineking and they don't plan to use any terrans before marineking comes out.
On March 09 2012 13:08 NrGmonk wrote: Interesting that Sage picked Talderim instead of Calm before the Storm for a PvT. Looks like NsH is saving CbtS for marineking and they don't plan to use any terrans before marineking comes out.
They might be trying to mind-game Prime into using CBTS in a potential Creator vs JJakji situation so he could use a specialized build. Mind games yo.
Everything about that build was so awesome. He let the probe see the second rax that was upgrading concussive shell, and then cancelled it right after the probe died. He timed it so he would finish stim and combat shield at the same time the medivac and seige mode finished.
even if there were good storms, tanks counter hard vs HTs I think. No robo in PvT is always so risky cuz u cant know the build until terran pushes out. DTs could be a really good counter though..
On March 09 2012 13:08 NrGmonk wrote: Interesting that Sage picked Talderim instead of Calm before the Storm for a PvT. Looks like NsH is saving CbtS for marineking and they don't plan to use any terrans before marineking comes out.
They might be trying to mind-game Prime into using CBTS in a potential Creator vs JJakji situation so he could use a specialized build. Mind games yo.
Jjakji on CBtS now. They don't want a toss to snipe JJakji on CBtS.
Jjakji needs to be going high econ air superiority with his marauders, as Byun keeps gaining ground this is gonna be over as soon as Byun chooses to go for it.
Interesting, not sure if I've ever seen this marauder swarm style of play in TvT before - might only because Jjakji outmacroed Byun pretty handily though.
When Byun completely trapped Jjakji's army, it was pretty obvious that Jjakji's only move was to lift off everything. If Byun had kept some vikings near Jjakji's army, the moment Jjakji lifted, he coulda sniped some medivacs.
On March 09 2012 13:36 Dakkas wrote: So beasting Jjakji
Yo Artosis, mech is superior right?
Mech is superior, you just need to play it right, Byun didn't have enough defense in his main, even after he cut off Jjakji's army so that he needed either engage Byun straight up or base trade. It's not just the strategy, it's how you execute it.
On March 09 2012 13:36 Dakkas wrote: So beasting Jjakji
Yo Artosis, mech is superior right?
Mech is superior, you just need to play it right, Byun didn't have enough defense in his main, even after he cut off Jjakji's army so that he needed either engage Byun straight up or base trade. It's not just the strategy, it's how you execute it.
On March 09 2012 13:36 Dakkas wrote: So beasting Jjakji
Yo Artosis, mech is superior right?
Mech is superior, you just need to play it right, Byun didn't have enough defense in his main, even after he cut off Jjakji's army so that he needed either engage Byun straight up or base trade. It's not just the strategy, it's how you execute it.
I definitely don't want to get into a huge, drawn out argument on whether mech or bio is superior, but I don't think we can say whether bio or mech is superior to one or the other. There are unique circumstances when one style is superior over another, and it also depends on the map (bigger the map, the more bio-favored).
On March 09 2012 13:36 Dakkas wrote: So beasting Jjakji
Yo Artosis, mech is superior right?
Mech is superior, you just need to play it right, Byun didn't have enough defense in his main, even after he cut off Jjakji's army so that he needed either engage Byun straight up or base trade. It's not just the strategy, it's how you execute it.
So Polt, MMA and MKP are wrong in their TvT then?
I'm pretty sure i read Polt write somewhere he know Mech could be better, but he prefer and will play Bio the longer he can.
On March 09 2012 13:36 Dakkas wrote: So beasting Jjakji
Yo Artosis, mech is superior right?
Mech is superior, you just need to play it right, Byun didn't have enough defense in his main, even after he cut off Jjakji's army so that he needed either engage Byun straight up or base trade. It's not just the strategy, it's how you execute it.
So Polt, MMA and MKP are wrong in their TvT then?
I'm pretty sure i read Polt write somewhere he know Mech could be better, but he prefer and will play Bio the longer he can.
I'll direct you to what Bagration said. My point is that saying Mech is superior is like saying Robo-tech is better than Templar-tech
Byun also didn't really contest the 4th, 5th and 6th with hellions... Even if it was a base trade scenario, Jjajki had enough infrastructure/mining outside his main/nat/3rd with which to reproduce from. But for Byun, once his main was breached, it is gg.
On March 09 2012 13:36 Dakkas wrote: So beasting Jjakji
Yo Artosis, mech is superior right?
Mech is superior, you just need to play it right, Byun didn't have enough defense in his main, even after he cut off Jjakji's army so that he needed either engage Byun straight up or base trade. It's not just the strategy, it's how you execute it.
So Polt, MMA and MKP are wrong in their TvT then?
I think if anything the way MMA dismantled MVP, think bio into biomech depending on the map is much better. SC2 is just too fast paced for slow immobile mech. But really it's map dependent. I'm no pro, but that's the way it seems.
On March 09 2012 13:36 Dakkas wrote: So beasting Jjakji
Yo Artosis, mech is superior right?
Mech is superior, you just need to play it right, Byun didn't have enough defense in his main, even after he cut off Jjakji's army so that he needed either engage Byun straight up or base trade. It's not just the strategy, it's how you execute it.
So Polt, MMA and MKP are wrong in their TvT then?
MKP meched TvP against Genius in a tournament match. Is his play wrong? No, because it worked once. There is nobody capable of playing mech at a high level aside from Happy, MVP, and aLive of late. No one strategy is right or wrong, and I cannot honestly believe that you'd play this game and still make a comment like that. If you want to actually discuss this PM me, I don't want to derail the thread.
Keep in mind Polt recognized that Mech was superior to bio in an interview too.
Well, we have to remember maps are also getting bigger (likely in response to PvT 1-1-1 more than bio vs mech). Mech is great when there is one main path to attack. You can get turrets and move out. But with multiple paths, bio/bio mech's mobility becomes very advantageous. You NEED to do well with helion harrass to make Mech work (see GuMiho and Alive)
On March 09 2012 13:36 Dakkas wrote: So beasting Jjakji
Yo Artosis, mech is superior right?
Mech is superior, you just need to play it right, Byun didn't have enough defense in his main, even after he cut off Jjakji's army so that he needed either engage Byun straight up or base trade. It's not just the strategy, it's how you execute it.
Jjakji needs to take a risk at this point, just max out to the ideal comp as fast as possible and pull some scvs to buffer zealot damage or doom drop Creator's main or something. He cannot win this straight up
On March 09 2012 13:57 WigglingSquid wrote: Tassadar as closer? Weird choice.
You pretty much are left with Tassadar or San. San isnt very good at PvP. Tassadar must be more confident in the match up. Even if he manages to win this he still has to face Bboongbboong and/or marineking
Lmao it's mirin as in admiring, DoA was right. It's misc slang from bodybuilding.com, they're just trolling you guys. They said the gym is in Australia because that's where Zyzz was from, he was kind of the poster child for bb.com before his death.
On March 09 2012 13:59 delayed reflex wrote: Tassadar has a chance to take out Creator I suppose, but I would be shocked if he makes it through MKP and BboongBboong as well. Prime hwaiting!
I kind of hope he faces marineking so we can have another one of those moments where marineking sniffs out the all in and tassadar shows up with his 3 gate void ray to see 3 bunkers and is just like.... oh fuck. Nukes in the mineral line!!
warp prism 4 gate, he took guys off gas this should be interesting, really wanna see how Creator holds, this is such a pain in the ass to deal with, with 3 gates up on ladder
On March 09 2012 14:07 SC2NeCro wrote: Stupid and unfair that Hoseo has to win 2 best of 9s.
Not really. This is the most standard form of double elimination. So unfair that Hoseo lost 5-0 in the 2nd round of a tournament that Prime went undefeated in and got to continue to play until the finals. See?
I reckon that Creator is not going to lose this. Congratulations to Prime, and to NSHS for their amazing dark-horse run.
Also, thanks to IPL for the very nice tournament. (Even though I never really liked the extended series rule, meh.)
Not really. This is the most standard form of double elimination. So unfair that Hoseo lost 5-0 in the 2nd round of a tournament that Prime went undefeated in and got to continue to play until the finals. See?
Well, Hoseo has had to play two more matches than Prime.
On March 09 2012 14:10 WigglingSquid wrote: I reckon that Creator is not going to lose this. Congratulations to Prime, and to NSHS for their amazing dark-horse run.
Also, thanks to IPL for the very nice tournament. (Even though I never really liked the extended series rule, meh.)
Not really. This is the most standard form of double elimination. So unfair that Hoseo lost 5-0 in the 2nd round of a tournament that Prime went undefeated in and got to continue to play until the finals. See?
Well, Hoseo has had to play two more matches than Prime.
It's not extended series rule. It's standard double elimination rule
I must say, IPL seems to be at the top in terms of tournaments and the like now. Their production is ALWAYS amazing, they have insanely good casters that synergise so well (Especially Doa + CatsPyjama) and their games are always really good to watch.
Really enjoyed this TAC, it's at a really good time for myself as well. Keep it up, will definitely be buying stream passes to the upcoming IPL and the rest :D
On March 09 2012 14:14 mrgauva wrote: it's totally unfair for Hoseo.. better if it would expand Bo9 with 5-3 for Hoseo to Bo13 or Bo11 with 5-3 score ...
Congrats to prime, really impressed with the quality of the games and the production IGN is doing such a great job with everything I hope they continue the good work
Tassadar can't be that bad of a player,but he's god awful everytime I see him... Congratulations to Prime for winning, Creator and MKP carried them quite nicely
On March 09 2012 14:14 mrgauva wrote: it's totally unfair for Hoseo.. better if it would expand Bo9 with 5-3 for Hoseo to Bo13 or Bo11 with 5-3 score ...
Not it would not. Extended series are stupid.
Not to mention some teams don't have enough people for series going up that high. It would be unfair for players to pop up again in the same set as well. So not feasible.
On March 09 2012 14:10 WigglingSquid wrote: I reckon that Creator is not going to lose this. Congratulations to Prime, and to NSHS for their amazing dark-horse run.
Also, thanks to IPL for the very nice tournament. (Even though I never really liked the extended series rule, meh.)
Not really. This is the most standard form of double elimination. So unfair that Hoseo lost 5-0 in the 2nd round of a tournament that Prime went undefeated in and got to continue to play until the finals. See?
Well, Hoseo has had to play two more matches than Prime.
It's not extended series rule. It's standard double elimination rule
Yes, sorry, that is what I meant. In other competitions, does double elimination require a loser to go through more matches than a winner?
On March 09 2012 14:10 WigglingSquid wrote: I reckon that Creator is not going to lose this. Congratulations to Prime, and to NSHS for their amazing dark-horse run.
Also, thanks to IPL for the very nice tournament. (Even though I never really liked the extended series rule, meh.)
Not really. This is the most standard form of double elimination. So unfair that Hoseo lost 5-0 in the 2nd round of a tournament that Prime went undefeated in and got to continue to play until the finals. See?
Well, Hoseo has had to play two more matches than Prime.
It's not extended series rule. It's standard double elimination rule
Yes, sorry, that is what I meant. In other competitions, does double elimination require a loser to go through more matches than a winner?
Prime are such beasts in teamleagues recently. 2nd in GSTL4, 1st in KSL, 1st in IPL TAC2. It's very encouraging to see that at least one Korean team takes teamleagues seriously.
On March 09 2012 14:14 mrgauva wrote: it's totally unfair for Hoseo.. better if it would expand Bo9 with 5-3 for Hoseo to Bo13 or Bo11 with 5-3 score ...
It's totally fair, each team gets one match that they can lose. It might seem kind of awkward when those two series are back to back, though.
On March 09 2012 14:10 WigglingSquid wrote: I reckon that Creator is not going to lose this. Congratulations to Prime, and to NSHS for their amazing dark-horse run.
Also, thanks to IPL for the very nice tournament. (Even though I never really liked the extended series rule, meh.)
Not really. This is the most standard form of double elimination. So unfair that Hoseo lost 5-0 in the 2nd round of a tournament that Prime went undefeated in and got to continue to play until the finals. See?
Well, Hoseo has had to play two more matches than Prime.
It's not extended series rule. It's standard double elimination rule
Yes, sorry, that is what I meant. In other competitions, does double elimination require a loser to go through more matches than a winner?
Yes because the idea is to be rewarded more as you keep winning so you get a shorter path to the end as well as keeping your "extra life" as long as possible
Thank you so much to all of our viewers tonight and in previous nights. This Team Arena Challenge has produced some great story lines and some very memorable games and matches. Tomorrow IGN Pro League begins a series of live showmatches from the SXSW Screenburn exhibit in Austin, Texas. Saturday at 15:00 PST / 17:00 CST / 18:00 EST / Midnight CET, White-Ra vs Stephano bo9 for $5,000 will commence at the usual stream location, http://www.ign.com/ipl ! Tournament of Champions begins on Tuesday, so learn more about that here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=318304
Prime on their 1st place victory and $9,000 prize, and NSHoSeo for their 2nd place finish and $4,000 prize! NSHoSeo had some extremely memorable matches and I'm glad I got to watch all of it!
eh.. if you really wanted to do an extended series.. like MLG's BO3 -> BO7 (from 2 to 4 wins needed) it would have to be BO 9 to BO 19 (from 5 to 10 wins needed)
it's fine as it is.. it's standard double elimination anyway.
On March 09 2012 02:05 Fionn wrote: HoSeo can take one set, but I don't know about two.
The Kings and Creator are too solid in almost all the match-ups to be taken down two Bo9's.
"The Kings" as in MK and Byun? Do we have any reason to believe that Byun should be taken in such high consideration?
rofl we do now don't we
Well played by Prime! But the closeness of this series in the FINALS should show just how good Team Liquid was in this, guys. They took this farther than NSHS did. Not a better team, but man did Liquid play well
On March 09 2012 14:24 red4ce wrote: Prime are such beasts in teamleagues recently. 2nd in GSTL4, 1st in KSL, 1st in IPL TAC2. It's very encouraging to see that at least one Korean team takes teamleagues seriously.
I'd say all the Korean teams take team-leagues seriously, with maybe the exception of IM. SlayerS, recently hasn't been fielding their A team every time, but I think that's more because of players travelling than it is how they view the competition.
You also have to take into account that these teams all tend to have incredibly deep rosters (especially SlayerS) and internal rankings don't always reflect past results. Some of these "B-Teamers" are incredibly scary players, and in practice might be even scarier. You never know when one of the "ace players" might be having an off day, or is ill, etc. (especially in games played online with undisclosed dates of play).
I think the only team you can look at from IPL TAC 2 and say they didn't give it their all is coL.MVP, and you can't fault them because it's not that they weren't trying. They're trying to promote the Complexity side of the partnership more, as evidenced here, in NASTL, and EG's MCSL, something I have huge respect for them for.
So, IGN, when can Clash try to qualify for Team Arena Challenge 3?
ssome people are so dumb if it was extended series just imagine mouzsports in the final how are they gonna play extended if they only have like what 6-7 players on there team?
Prime won again =D. They are so ridiculously strong it's not even funny, props to Jjakji for managing to take the first set by beating the 3 aces. I hope though that their zergs still do well in internal rankings, weird that they didn't use them
Wow, looks like an awesome series. Congrats to Prime, they really are very very strong lately.
Happy that NSHS managed to take it to the second bo9, Jjakji running through Prime's ace line up at the tail end of that series was a nice thing to wake up to. Shame he couldn't repeat the performance hehe.
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Thanks IPL for a SICK event, going to have to catch the rebroadcast for sure =)
Next time (if there is a third of these) I'd love it if you could space the final couple of series a little bit so we can get some more HYPE for these, it has felt as though the conclusion very suddenly arrived with the games all being back to back to back.
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