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00Visor
4337 Posts
On March 07 2012 01:57 Wroshe wrote: Nerchio won't advance if Elfi wins because his game score will be worse. if Hasuobs loses, we have 4 players 3-2, doesnt direct results between these 4 than matter? | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
On March 07 2012 02:00 msjakofsky wrote: didn't elfi destroy huk with those lightning speed hands? isn't it ironic "Good brain", as MC would have said.  | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On March 07 2012 02:01 KiNGxXx wrote: You're the guy who does stuff without much thought behind it imo. ? | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
On March 07 2012 02:00 msjakofsky wrote: didn't elfi destroy huk with those lightning speed hands? isn't it ironic Not at all, he's mocking PvP, why would it be ironic that he lost in a matchup he thinks is stupid? | ||
Poopi
France12911 Posts
On March 07 2012 01:59 cyclone4tw wrote: I'm surprised that someone like Huk can't understand PvP. I'll explain him how Elfi microed during that fight on 1st game: 1) He sent the zealots/immortals in front not clumped too much. 2) Once he got a 15-20 supply lead only from this positional advantage, he blinked in with his stalkers to snipe the Colossus/Immortals then he blinked back once his Stalkers were starting to die. MC didn't do much during that fight other than a-move. No offense to Huk, but l2p. Ain't u the guy who said that foreigners were better than koreans? Still wanting to claim that by trying to prove that pvp isn't random? (come on, Feast > Hero, MC losing a lot of pvp to foreigners, etc, etc...) | ||
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cyclone4tw
Russian Federation32 Posts
On March 07 2012 02:00 Seraphone wrote: I'm glad the Huk has completely shut down guys like you who think PvP isn't luck. Nice to know I don't need to keep explaining this to people. He didn't shut down anyone. He's just blaming his poor results on PvP's luck. Oz is another player that proves PvP is not about luck. | ||
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NanowaX
Germany190 Posts
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nweb
198 Posts
On March 07 2012 02:00 msjakofsky wrote: didn't elfi destroy huk with those lightning speed hands? isn't it ironic He is just salty because using your brain > smashing your keyboard as fast as possible in pvp. | ||
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Wroshe
Netherlands1051 Posts
On March 07 2012 02:01 00Visor wrote: if Hasuobs loses, we have 4 players 3-2, doesnt direct results between these 4 than matter? Only when all 3 players have the same map score, which is impossible as HasuObs has lost not enough maps for that to possibly happen. | ||
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zocktol
Germany1928 Posts
On March 07 2012 02:00 msjakofsky wrote: didn't elfi destroy huk with those lightning speed hands? isn't it ironic We all know, that it has nothing to do to win in PvP. Hence the extremely high win rate of MC until not long ago in PvP. | ||
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Meself
Estonia552 Posts
On March 07 2012 01:59 cyclone4tw wrote: I'm surprised that someone like Huk can't understand PvP. I'll explain him how Elfi microed during that fight on 1st game: 1) He sent the zealots/immortals in front not clumped too much. 2) Once he got a 15-20 supply lead only from this positional advantage, he blinked in with his stalkers to snipe the Colossus/Immortals then he blinked back once his Stalkers were starting to die. MC didn't do much during that fight other than a-move. No offense to Huk, but l2p. That's definitely uncalled for. From TLPD Huk has ~64% PvP versus at least as good opposition. | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On March 07 2012 02:01 cyclone4tw wrote: He didn't shut down anyone. He's just blaming his poor results on PvP's luck. Oz is another player that proves PvP is not about luck. Huk is good at PvP. He won an entire tournament on the back of his PvP. Like any Protoss he also has lost plenty PvP's but seen as he won Homestory Cup and MLG Orlando almost entirely on the back of his PvP he's clearly good at it. | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
On March 07 2012 02:01 nweb wrote: He is just salty because using your brain > smashing your keyboard as fast as possible in pvp. Elfi got the advantage to be able to do that by playing slightly greedier without scouting though. That's not necessarily a better decision, that's what makes PvP coinflippy. You can't scout your opponent and react, you just execute your build and hope yours is superior. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On March 07 2012 02:01 cyclone4tw wrote: He didn't shut down anyone. He's just blaming his poor results on PvP's luck. Oz is another player that proves PvP is not about luck. Oz lost 2-0 to Huk.. Everyone knows PvP has the greatest luck factor. It also happens to be the matchup with the highest amount of foreigner upsets. Wonder if thats a coincidence.. | ||
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cyclone4tw
Russian Federation32 Posts
On March 07 2012 02:03 Meself wrote: That's definitely uncalled for. From TLPD Huk has ~64% PvP versus at least as good opposition. I'm not saying that Huk isn't a good player. He should try to understand how Elfi won that match instead of saying it was luck. | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On March 07 2012 02:03 zefreak wrote: Oz lost 2-0 to Huk.. Everyone knows PvP has the greatest luck factor. It also happens to be the matchup with the highest amount of foreigner upsets. Wonder if thats a coincidence.. I believe the issue in this discussion is that not everyone has the same definition of "luck" when it comes to PvP. | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On March 07 2012 02:03 Heavenly wrote: Elfi got the advantage to be able to do that by playing slightly greedier without scouting though. That's not necessarily a better decision, that's what makes PvP coinflippy. You can't scout your opponent and react, you just execute your build and hope yours is superior. Elfi also isn't expected to win. He can lose in the group stages here (just like he does at most LAN's) and no one cares. Where as MC has to win because he's MC. So Elfi takes a lot of risks because he has nothing to lose. | ||
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Snettik
Finland186 Posts
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cassurai
Singapore307 Posts
PvP is the matchup that has the greatest element of luck involved. It doesn't mean that there isn't skill involved. It's like poker. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
On March 07 2012 01:59 zefreak wrote: For all of his fans I really dislike Elfi's play, he seems to have poor timings and just sort of does stuff without much thought behind it. thats what you call drunken master ;P . Do stuff the opponent can't understand. Lots of bw a teamers fell for that against no names playing something that was just bad decision making, was really funny. I love the protoss group, so many different pvp styles clashing together its really entertaining. And i watched bw zvz when it was muta vs muta into gg. | ||
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