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what would have happened at mlg if:
huk would have won against drg -> huk vs mkp finals
Finals:
first "bo3" -> actually a extended bo7 with MKP 2:0 in the lead
then i.e. huks wins this 4:2
now we have 2 options:
1.) huk won the tournament overall without MKP ever dropping to the lower bracket! he would just be eliminated with losing his first match (i cant really believe this)
or
2.) MKP drops to the losers bracked (like he did against drg now) and the will play another "bo3". But this would have been their third "bo3". Would this then be actually a Bo11 with huk 4:2 in the lead?
this case actually never happened so far, does anyone know FOR SURE how this would have been handled (good explaination and maybe sources)?
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On February 27 2012 10:35 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 10:27 StarStruck wrote:On February 27 2012 10:21 yoshi245 wrote:On February 27 2012 10:18 Derity wrote:
despite the big players, this kind of event should not be repeated, especially not as a ppv event.
MKP wins a stacked event, no hype, no applause, a boring interview, not even a prize ceremony.
why bring players there. could as well be played online. If anything, a huge event like MLG Providence is more worthy of adopting a PPV model, I'm too frugal to buy it unless it was $10. But $20 for this event didn't seem all that great (and I managed fine just reading Play-by-Play's). yes, like I said many times over. Show me why you are bringing them down in the first place. Did they? Honest answer, no. Although, the quality of the games was very, very good. I hope they got a lot of promotional materials out of them for the upcoming events but we really didn't see anything noteworthy of why they were there. Lan/latency would be great. Yet we still have players d/cing and MLG tried to accomodate and give them the best conditions to play. We could have seen the talent used a little more better. Grubby and Sheth casting was a nice addition. Dont even compare the disconnect we saw to cross server play. Cross server play should never be used honestly. It puts everything into a big crap shoot. Also certain players would be playing at horrible times. Tgose two reasons alone make it worth it to fly the players in
I didn't? They are two separate things as I said. LAN and latency go along way. The thing is Blizzard is still dropping the ball on this and MLG felt it necessary to fly everyone there. -_-
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On February 27 2012 10:44 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 10:38 XRaDiiX wrote:On February 27 2012 10:33 Pr0wler wrote:On February 27 2012 10:30 XRaDiiX wrote:On February 27 2012 10:21 Astro-Penguin wrote:On February 27 2012 10:19 XRaDiiX wrote:
MKP is the best SC2 player in the world he was supposed to win Code S this season but the Genius and the Protoss Deathball happened with Colossus plus storm massive so strong 2 base Protoss X_X.
So MKP is the true Dong he will win Code S next season noone can beat him in TvZ and TvT you watch he will destroy everyone. What? Sorry but what games are you watching, Genius totally outclassed MarineKing in their final games.... such ignorant statements. He will win next season of Code S trust me he only lost to a gimicky 2 base Deathball. He won't make the same mistake again MKP will show to all those who deny his true power that he is the true master. And Choya will win the next Code S after that... Trust me ! MKP just outsmarted DRG, that's it. I wouldn't read too much into it. Lol he is the best player in the world you seem mad he was superior he is the best Korean on ladder with the highest win percentage always. 80% Korean Ladder is amazing. Also he has nerve issues at live events when he overcomes that he will smash everyone into the ground. Could apply that bias and argument to any player. I mean, if you hadn't have quoted someone talking about MKP when you said "he" I could have inferred you were talking about aLive. Protoss deathball been happening for months now and MKP has had a good record against Protoss the entire time, so I don't quite get your argument anyway unless every loss is someone elses fault other than MKPs? You can keep blaming stuff like nerves, Protoss, MVPtheultimateMKProadblock, etc but GSL champions overcome all of that and then some. Not being all anti-MKP here (because honestly MKP definitely has the talent and skill to be at the top), but the bias is a little too biased for my bias =P
Don't let them get to you. This place is about what have you done latly and in GSL. MKP's bank account and silvers and now golds speak for themselves. Top 3 terran easy.
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On February 27 2012 10:26 tzui wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 10:14 nam nam wrote:On February 27 2012 10:10 kyllinghest wrote:On February 27 2012 10:07 polishedturd wrote:On February 27 2012 10:05 red4ce wrote:
Yeah marineking can only cheese and can't win a macro game huh? rofl, are you serious? randomly hides a third cc while floating 500 gas and now he's the king of macro In the early game spending 500 gas i no problem for terran, its just a few units and a few upgrades. Its not 500 "random" gas collected because its funny. Not if you haven't got any minerals... He was essentially at 0 minerals while floating 500 gas. I do like his greedy strategy but it was certainly not optimized. If you make a 10 muta timing u have 100/800 min/gas and this is optimize too. Im sure MKP is better than you in judging and executing optimized builds
Or he just fucked up...Maybe he just decided halfway through that he was going to double expo...
There are a plethora of reasons that may account for it. But more likely than not, that build was not optimized.
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Dont see why people moan about there not being a prize ceremony, its not like you paid $20 to watch a prize ceremony.
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here goes the argument about whos top terran again. when will people get over it.
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On February 27 2012 10:38 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 10:33 Pr0wler wrote:On February 27 2012 10:30 XRaDiiX wrote:On February 27 2012 10:21 Astro-Penguin wrote:On February 27 2012 10:19 XRaDiiX wrote:
MKP is the best SC2 player in the world he was supposed to win Code S this season but the Genius and the Protoss Deathball happened with Colossus plus storm massive so strong 2 base Protoss X_X.
So MKP is the true Dong he will win Code S next season noone can beat him in TvZ and TvT you watch he will destroy everyone. What? Sorry but what games are you watching, Genius totally outclassed MarineKing in their final games.... such ignorant statements. He will win next season of Code S trust me he only lost to a gimicky 2 base Deathball. He won't make the same mistake again MKP will show to all those who deny his true power that he is the true master. And Choya will win the next Code S after that... Trust me ! MKP just outsmarted DRG, that's it. I wouldn't read too much into it. Lol he is the best player in the world you seem mad he was superior he is the best Korean on ladder with the highest win percentage always. 80% Korean Ladder is amazing. Also he has nerve issues at live events when he overcomes that he will smash everyone into the ground.
obviously trolling..ignore him
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On February 27 2012 10:49 Sc2Null wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 10:38 XRaDiiX wrote:On February 27 2012 10:33 Pr0wler wrote:On February 27 2012 10:30 XRaDiiX wrote:On February 27 2012 10:21 Astro-Penguin wrote:On February 27 2012 10:19 XRaDiiX wrote:
MKP is the best SC2 player in the world he was supposed to win Code S this season but the Genius and the Protoss Deathball happened with Colossus plus storm massive so strong 2 base Protoss X_X.
So MKP is the true Dong he will win Code S next season noone can beat him in TvZ and TvT you watch he will destroy everyone. What? Sorry but what games are you watching, Genius totally outclassed MarineKing in their final games.... such ignorant statements. He will win next season of Code S trust me he only lost to a gimicky 2 base Deathball. He won't make the same mistake again MKP will show to all those who deny his true power that he is the true master. And Choya will win the next Code S after that... Trust me ! MKP just outsmarted DRG, that's it. I wouldn't read too much into it. Lol he is the best player in the world you seem mad he was superior he is the best Korean on ladder with the highest win percentage always. 80% Korean Ladder is amazing. Also he has nerve issues at live events when he overcomes that he will smash everyone into the ground. obviously trolling..ignore him
Its not a troll i've been watching since GSL season 1 he is the True Dong.!
I believe he is the best player in the world Currently out classing everyone he can and has the ability to beat any player.
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On February 27 2012 10:48 Robson13 wrote:
Dont see why people moan about there not being a prize ceremony, its not like you paid $20 to watch a prize ceremony.
i paid $20 expecting there to be a prize ceremony at the end because thats the perfect way to close of the tournament off
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On February 27 2012 10:48 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 10:44 bittman wrote:On February 27 2012 10:38 XRaDiiX wrote:On February 27 2012 10:33 Pr0wler wrote:On February 27 2012 10:30 XRaDiiX wrote:On February 27 2012 10:21 Astro-Penguin wrote:On February 27 2012 10:19 XRaDiiX wrote:
MKP is the best SC2 player in the world he was supposed to win Code S this season but the Genius and the Protoss Deathball happened with Colossus plus storm massive so strong 2 base Protoss X_X.
So MKP is the true Dong he will win Code S next season noone can beat him in TvZ and TvT you watch he will destroy everyone. What? Sorry but what games are you watching, Genius totally outclassed MarineKing in their final games.... such ignorant statements. He will win next season of Code S trust me he only lost to a gimicky 2 base Deathball. He won't make the same mistake again MKP will show to all those who deny his true power that he is the true master. And Choya will win the next Code S after that... Trust me ! MKP just outsmarted DRG, that's it. I wouldn't read too much into it. Lol he is the best player in the world you seem mad he was superior he is the best Korean on ladder with the highest win percentage always. 80% Korean Ladder is amazing. Also he has nerve issues at live events when he overcomes that he will smash everyone into the ground. Could apply that bias and argument to any player. I mean, if you hadn't have quoted someone talking about MKP when you said "he" I could have inferred you were talking about aLive. Protoss deathball been happening for months now and MKP has had a good record against Protoss the entire time, so I don't quite get your argument anyway unless every loss is someone elses fault other than MKPs? You can keep blaming stuff like nerves, Protoss, MVPtheultimateMKProadblock, etc but GSL champions overcome all of that and then some. Not being all anti-MKP here (because honestly MKP definitely has the talent and skill to be at the top), but the bias is a little too biased for my bias =P Don't let them get to you. This place is about what have you done latly and in GSL. MKP's bank account and silvers and now golds speak for themselves. Top 3 terran easy.
Totally agree, plus he's among the youngest players out there, still only 18 so he could still have big upside.
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On the whole, I prefer their traditional format, especially because of the live audience.
I loved their new player with the multiview-layout-options, even if it still has its flaws (e.g. not enough keyboard-shortcuts). The VODs are almost spoiler-free now. "Almost", because twitch tends to list associated videos, so you're occasionally confronted with a link to the game-3-VOD after just having watched the first game of a BO3-series, thus spoiling the result of the second game. But it's much better than the clunky all-in-one-player-solution they used before, where you were forced to choose your games from a grid of thumbnails and inevitably spoiling half of the tournament right from the start.
Concerning their business model, I fail to see why they just didn't offer the 240p and 360p for free, supported by ads between the matches. If you believe Sundance, they did it this way to test the market and the feasibility of a PPV-model. This probably would have worked much better with a more effective paywall though, but I guess they got their data nevertheless.
Having watched both, I'd have to say that I enjoyed Assembly and Arena likewise and for different reasons. But had I not gotten sick and been unable/unwilling to go out this weekend, MLG Arena wouldn't have been worth 20$ to me, especially when compared to other SC2-events (the "movie-theatre-and-popcorn"-comparisons aren't that convincing).
I don't care how many people they fly across oceans, in the end you have to evaluate the enjoyment you get out of their product in relation to other products of the same category.
Something everyone has to figure out for him-/herself I guess. 
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Rob people want to see their champions bask in the glory on the stage with their trophies holding it up nice and high.
People stick around for them as its a crowning achievement because the player earned it.
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On February 27 2012 10:39 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 10:37 Xercen wrote:On February 27 2012 10:09 werynais wrote:
One of the biggest tournaments of 2012? You sure JP? Its only 10K after all! only 10k but the tournament had the best players in the world with very few exceptions. It was as stacked as the gsl in terms of the level of competition No it wasn't. Take a look at both pools. You can't seriously tell me that this bracket compares to Code S. It was stacked no doubt, probably the most stacked we've seen at a foreign event, but not as high class across the field as Code S. Not saying that's a bad thing or anything, but its true.
Yes, you can. It's as stacked as Code S. All of the players in Code S participated in the MLG Korean qualifiers so only the best went to the arena.
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On February 27 2012 10:47 Stoffelhase wrote:
what would have happened at mlg if:
huk would have won against drg -> huk vs mkp finals
Finals:
first "bo3" -> actually a extended bo7 with MKP 2:0 in the lead
then i.e. huks wins this 4:2
now we have 2 options:
1.) huk won the tournament overall without MKP ever dropping to the lower bracket! he would just be eliminated with losing his first match (i cant really believe this)
or
2.) MKP drops to the losers bracked (like he did against drg now) and the will play another "bo3". But this would have been their third "bo3". Would this then be actually a Bo11 with huk 4:2 in the lead?
this case actually never happened so far, does anyone know FOR SURE how this would have been handled (good explaination and maybe sources)?
1 happens. MKP lost 4 games. So it's sort of like losing 2 bo3's. It's not elegant and I would prefer separate series, but that's what would happen.
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But the competition there was as strong as it comes
Great foreign tournament, but be serious. Slightly over 3% of the players in this tournament were Drewbie.
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Oooo too bad I didn't get to catch the finals.. Will have to watch the vods.. Will the PoV vids e available as well?
Congrats MKP though!
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On February 27 2012 10:50 ydeer1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 10:48 Robson13 wrote:
Dont see why people moan about there not being a prize ceremony, its not like you paid $20 to watch a prize ceremony. i paid $20 expecting there to be a prize ceremony at the end because thats the perfect way to close of the tournament off
What are you really missing out on though? JP would ask "how do you feel?" and Marineking would reply "It feels great to have won blahblahblah" The they would give him a cheque. The end. Does that really influence your decision to spend $20?
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On February 27 2012 10:42 Irre wrote:
Great event I really enjoyed it. So happy to see MKP finally win something and solidify that he belongs in the top tier and not just as an afterthought. Was really disappointed that tastosis didn't build up any enthusiasm to his win. It was a huge deal and it was kind of lame how underplayed it was. Games were fantastic all weekend, the first time i really enjoyed watching PvZ ( Ret vs Huk game 1 omgomg or DRG vs Parting on Taldarim), and really thought that everyone was playing their A game ( with the exception of MVP and Nestea what the hell happened with them?)
The one point artosis made really struck me today though: is MKP not even reaching his potential due to lack of top tier practice? I tend to not think so but it was an interesting point..
Well said. I thought considering the amount of content we got, the quality of the content, and then the final result (biased :D), the event was well worth $20.
I find that interesting as well. I don't really know what MKP's practise routine is like, or who he practises with, but it is interesting to imagine his potential if he switched to a team with higher calibre players to practise with. No disrespect to Prime, they're a great team, but they don't really have any other top tier players like teams such as SlayerS, IM etc.
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On February 27 2012 10:51 StarStruck wrote:
Rob people want to see their champions bask in the glory on the stage with their trophies holding it up nice and high.
People stick around for them as its a crowning achievement because the player earned it.
I get that and i would also like there to be a prize ceremony but my comment was more aimed at the people saying they wouldnt buy it again because there wasnt a prize ceremony.
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On February 27 2012 10:51 Spaceneil8 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 10:39 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On February 27 2012 10:37 Xercen wrote:On February 27 2012 10:09 werynais wrote:
One of the biggest tournaments of 2012? You sure JP? Its only 10K after all! only 10k but the tournament had the best players in the world with very few exceptions. It was as stacked as the gsl in terms of the level of competition No it wasn't. Take a look at both pools. You can't seriously tell me that this bracket compares to Code S. It was stacked no doubt, probably the most stacked we've seen at a foreign event, but not as high class across the field as Code S. Not saying that's a bad thing or anything, but its true. Yes, you can. It's as stacked as Code S. All of the players in Code S participated in the MLG Korean qualifiers so only the best went to the arena.
Yeah you get the top 8 from the korean qualifiers and then 8 from.. north american qualifiers? And european qualifiers too. Its not as stacked as Code S because its ALL the koreans instead of 8 of them and then an assortment of foreigners among whom the vast majority of which drop out early. It's not hard to understand.
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