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The time has come for our next Winners Round 2 match of the IGN Pro League Team Arena Challenge 2!
When: Friday, Feb 17 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Friday, Feb 17 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Format
This double-elimination tournament features 16 teams from around the world and is an All-Kill team format. This match is being played for Winners Round 2. The first team to defeat everyone on the opposing team's roster (5 wins, or a best of 9), will move on in the Winners Bracket, while the loser will drop down into the Losers Bracket. Keep in mind that this has a $20,000 prize pool, and only six teams will make it to the money!
![[image loading]](http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3086/mouzicon.png) Mousesports ThorZaIN HeRoMaRinE  MorroW biGs  HasuObs MaNa ![[image loading]](http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7745/ogsicon.png) Old Generations TOP Ensnare Gon TheStC Supernova Fin Illusion TheWind JookTo Luvsic Cezanne JongMi InCa Spunky VINES
The First Game for this match of IPL Team Arena Challenge 2 is on Friday, Feb 17 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Friday, Feb 17 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Poll: Who Will Win?!Mousesports (47) 53% Old Generations (41) 47% 88 total votes Your vote: Who Will Win?! (Vote): Mousesports
(Vote): Old Generations
Results!+ Show Spoiler [Mouz vs oGs Results] +biGs < Atlantis Spaceship > JookTo
HasuObs < Terminus > JookTo
HasuObs < Tal'Darim Altar > Luvsic
HasuObs < Daybreak > VINES
ThorZaIN < Shattered Temple > VINES
MorroW < Sanshorn Mist AE > VINES
MaNa < Shakuras Plateau > VINES
oGs wins 5-2 and moves on to WR3! Mousesports falls to LR2.
The playlist for this series is now on YouTube! Watch here: Mouz vs oGs bo9
Map List
Terminus SE
Darkness Falls
Sanshorn Mist
Atlantis Spaceship
Shakuras Plateau
Calm Before the Storm
Shattered Temple
Antiga Shipyard (Cross Only)
Daybreak
Tal’Darim Altar
All the maps can be found on NA, EU, or KR by searching for IPLMap!
The first map will be on a set rotation, and then it is loser's pick.
Casters
This week's games will be commentated by CatsPajamas, Doa, HDStarCraft, PainUser, and/or AskJoshy!
Viewer Prizes!
Each night we will be giving away IPL merchandise on the stream, so tune in and participate for your chance to win!
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
While oGs by all logic should win mousesports just don't lose foreign team leagues therefore mouz shall win and I don't know how.
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well, oGs doing historically bad in teamleagues. With their small but very skilled lineup, mouz can definately take this.
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Hasu and Mana aren't playing their best in the last 2 month (especially against Zerg) and I don't know what to expect from Morrow. Because of that I don't see mouz winning here, but I hope they can make it.
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Unfortunately the result has already been spoiled by Hasu when they were casting at Takes House.
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Uhm, PM me results then if You can.
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On February 17 2012 03:54 vdale wrote:
Hasu and Mana aren't playing their best in the last 2 month (especially against Zerg) and I don't know what to expect from Morrow. Because of that I don't see mouz winning here, but I hope they can make it.
It's ok Thorzain will just all-kill
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dat line up. even though thorzain is amazing, if ogs bring the big guns i cant see them losing
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United States13143 Posts
On February 17 2012 03:36 Fusilero wrote:
While oGs by all logic should win mousesports just don't lose foreign team leagues therefore mouz shall win and I don't know how.
Yeah, this, although mouz seems to have lost a little of their mojo recently(not doing great in NASTL at least).
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Super hyped for this, even though I don't think Mousesports can take it.
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I would love to see Mouz take this. They are not favored in my opinion, but I think having beaten Slayers, col-MVP and all killing QIM last TAC, Mouz could definitely take the win over oGs.
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ALSO don't forget that it's Thursday, so Scanner Sweep is today! Geoff iNcontroL Robinson joins us as a permanent host starting with today's show. At 4 p.m. Pacific (one hour before the games begin), CatsPajamas, Doa, and iNcontroL will talk about this week's StarCraft 2 events and go over the freshest IPL Power Rankings!
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On February 17 2012 08:02 IGNProLeague wrote:
ALSO don't forget that it's Thursday, so Scanner Sweep is today! Geoff iNcontroL Robinson joins us as a permanent host starting with today's show. At 4 p.m. Pacific (one hour before the games begin), CatsPajamas, Doa, and iNcontroL will talk about this week's StarCraft 2 events and go over the freshest IPL Power Rankings!
Awesome, glad to see that Incontrol will be joining Scanner Sweep permanently. Any guests this week?
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Scanner Sweep is live now! Come watch CatsPajamas, Doa, iNcontroL, and Frank Fields, our SC2 Ops Manager!
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i think oGs will take this, would be nice to see some mouz players kicking ass though
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On February 17 2012 09:01 IGNProLeague wrote:
Scanner Sweep is live now! Come watch CatsPajamas, Doa, iNcontroL, and Frank Fields, our SC2 Ops Manager!
Tuned in a bit late. Did Frank Fields make any official statement on Reign's disbandment?
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Damn, Incontrol dropping some really inspirational stuff about overcoming losses and defeat.
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Pretty poor quality to not mention Reign disbanding.
EDIT: Wooo, go Geoff
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On February 17 2012 10:01 IGNProLeague wrote:mouz vs oGs is beginning now! Come join us on the stream! http://www.ign.com/ipl
biGs vs Jookto ZvZ to start off.
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United States13143 Posts
Well, that was a disappointing ending to game 1.
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Mouz wont even win a game
oGs 5-0
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mmh, why put Hasu against a Zerg?
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Love IPL but is there anyone else who just can't stand CatsPJs casting sometimes?
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why did people vote mouz?
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On February 17 2012 10:21 aRyuujin wrote:
why did people vote mouz?
Why wouldn't they?
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United States13143 Posts
On February 17 2012 10:21 aRyuujin wrote:
why did people vote mouz?
Look at how mouz did in TAC1. They won something like 3 matches against Korean teams fielding their top lineups. mouz has been extremely good in teamleagues for the past 6 months or so.
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On February 17 2012 10:19 TheDougler wrote:
Love IPL but is there anyone else who just can't stand CatsPJs casting sometimes?
Yes. He laughs at everything and generally just says what is happening on the screen.
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Wow, just sat in that storm. All mutas weakened
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more votes for mouz
hahah)
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T_T looks like one of my pvzs. lol
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Slow, painful, death of any standard PvZ game on larger map. Even if he does kill JookTo's army, guess what? 40 mother fucking spines behind them.
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What a crazy engagement there. Go Hasuobs!
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Hasu needs a mothership. Broods are just so good. I hope mouz can pull this out.
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Lol clutch mothership by hasu with jookto having no detection with his army.
14 ultra remax for jookto o:
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Didnt expect Hasu to win on that map in those positions
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Ultras sux in ZvP 
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God what a game! Come on Hasuobs!!!!
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Wanna lose a game you had won? Remax on Ultras.
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If protoss wins this i'm going to cry
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mm that many ultras, with 1 overseer and just some fungals. Weird choice there. But such nice control from hasu.
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On February 17 2012 10:43 turamn wrote:
Wanna lose a game you had won? Remax on Ultras.
Oh god that was so bad. But np good for hasu ! go !
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I don't know if I've ever seen anyone make any number of Ultralisks and thought, "Oh man, X Ultras! That's gonna close out the game." Man....they suck lol
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On February 17 2012 10:43 zefreak wrote:
If protoss wins this i'm going to cry
Because he looked like he was dead 10 minutes ago?
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6k bank and not maxed
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On February 17 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote:6k bank and not maxed
Gas man, Gas...
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Such an insane game right now...
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On February 17 2012 10:49 Kieds wrote:Gas man, Gas...
Make 5 hatcheries and do constantt ling runbyes
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On February 17 2012 10:50 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 10:49 Kieds wrote:On February 17 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote:6k bank and not maxed Gas man, Gas... Make 5 hatcheries and do constantt ling runbyes
Agreed, it would keep him on the defence instead of wandering around the creep
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This is one of the best PvZs that I have ever seen. I wonder if Hasu can make a big stargate transition to win it.
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hasu would kill for some voidrays now
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United States13143 Posts
On February 17 2012 10:51 chasmofcrisis wrote:
This is one of the best PvZs that I have ever seen. I wonder if Hasu can make a big stargate transition to win it.
Looks to me like Hasu just wants to starve jookto out.
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On February 17 2012 10:52 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 10:51 chasmofcrisis wrote:
This is one of the best PvZs that I have ever seen. I wonder if Hasu can make a big stargate transition to win it. Looks to me like Hasu just wants to starve jookto out.
Yeah, I wonder if he can hold out long enough though. You know its getting crazy lategame when you have feedback going down on queens.
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hasu looking good with his over 2k gas
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Thorzain, Morrow, Hasu
mouz is the spoon-team
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Once Hasu has enough voids and attacks, he will win.
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United States97276 Posts
wow 100 kill colossus lol
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100 kill colossus named Calvin :D
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All depends on the engagement now...
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Hasu is such a boss, he takes such good cares of his units they get over 100 kills. :D
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United States13143 Posts
On February 17 2012 10:55 chasmofcrisis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 10:52 Elyvilon wrote:On February 17 2012 10:51 chasmofcrisis wrote:
This is one of the best PvZs that I have ever seen. I wonder if Hasu can make a big stargate transition to win it. Looks to me like Hasu just wants to starve jookto out. Yeah, I wonder if he can hold out long enough though. You know its getting crazy lategame when you have feedback going down on queens.
I think he's going to pull it off; he mined from that middle left base that jookto has now for a while, and I feel like he's been more efficient than jookto in most of the major battles.
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On February 17 2012 10:56 aurum510 wrote:
Once Hasu has enough voids and attacks, he will win.
I saw him go carrier in a similar game lately.
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Perfect everything by Hasu.
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lol Calvin betrays Hasouobs  Calvinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn nooooooooo
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lol another colossus with 145 kills
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There needs to be a new map named Calvin XD
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Calvin, you've been replaced!
Jookto gas-starved right now...
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Hasu neeeds to mass archons now. His gas is so high, and all that Jookto can build is lings.
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noooo calvin
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On February 17 2012 11:00 zefreak wrote:
what a stupid game
What part of this is stupid
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hasu should go carrier/mothership/archon
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this got boring 30minutes ago...
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On February 17 2012 11:00 mrtomjones wrote:What part of this is stupid
I'd rather watch a dozen two base timings than an hour long tech to double deathball battle that ends in 10 seconds via archon toilet
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On February 17 2012 11:01 chipmonklord17 wrote:
hasu should go carrier/mothership/archon
FUCK YEA carriers
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On February 17 2012 11:02 Jotoco wrote:
this got boring 30minutes ago...
i think it was super exciting until the last 10 min.
especially when jookto split his ultras and tried to do his damage
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On February 17 2012 11:02 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:00 mrtomjones wrote:On February 17 2012 11:00 zefreak wrote:
what a stupid game What part of this is stupid I'd rather watch a dozen two base timings than an hour long tech to double deathball battle that ends in 10 seconds via archon toilet
If you didn't notice the archon toilet did not end the game.
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On February 17 2012 11:00 mrtomjones wrote:What part of this is stupid
One thing I've learned watching starcraft 2 for the past year is that there is always someone that thinks a game is stupid. Even in the gsl games where the recommended polls is almost 100 % YES!!!!! there is the one person going "meh that wasn't anything special."
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Can you imagine DRG and Genius ever playing a game like this? I can't.
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This has to be an early contender for game of the year. Full action for an hour, multiple archon toilets, lots of slick micro, CALVIN, BILL and a nearly mined out Terminus.
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Carrier has arrived!
*Edit*
Goddamnit ^
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On February 17 2012 11:03 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:02 zefreak wrote:On February 17 2012 11:00 mrtomjones wrote:On February 17 2012 11:00 zefreak wrote:
what a stupid game What part of this is stupid I'd rather watch a dozen two base timings than an hour long tech to double deathball battle that ends in 10 seconds via archon toilet If you didn't notice the archon toilet did not end the game.
only normal toilet can stop this game (someone goes and the enemy unpause and kills him)
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On February 17 2012 11:03 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:02 zefreak wrote:On February 17 2012 11:00 mrtomjones wrote:On February 17 2012 11:00 zefreak wrote:
what a stupid game What part of this is stupid I'd rather watch a dozen two base timings than an hour long tech to double deathball battle that ends in 10 seconds via archon toilet If you didn't notice the archon toilet did not end the game.
I'm not complaining about the archon toilet specifically, I just think this game is boring and the quality of play by both is kind of poor
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Is that air armor level 3?
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Sick move by both sides there.
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Cool neural, too bad he didn't capitalize
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holy shit that was the sickest exchange ive ever seen wooooooooooowwwwwwwww
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Did JookTo kill a base while Hasu was teleported?
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Jookto's out of gas, Hasu just needs to survive.
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Jookto is not minning gas
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Jookto doesnt have anymore gas income..
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HasuObs just has less resources lost.
This game is very boring...
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How is he going to make banelings when he's stuck on 4 gas?
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Jookto should have just attacked his army, insta remax and finish it like 30 minutes ago when Hasuobs was on one mining base with 0 bank
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On February 17 2012 11:07 Gamegene wrote:
HasuObs just has less resources lost.
This game is very boring...
some ppl just have to make everything bad.
jookto has to take both middle expands from hasu by creeping and spine-crawlering forward slowly.
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This was just Jookto losing a won game in a painfully slow fashion
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On February 17 2012 11:08 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:07 Gamegene wrote:
HasuObs just has less resources lost.
This game is very boring... some ppl just have to make everything bad. jookto has to take both middle expands from hasu by creeping and spine-crawlering forward slowly.
Well I have to agree though to at least some extent...this should have been over once the Zerg decided to max with Ultras - that's just so incredibly bad. Hasu could have easily ended this quite some time ago.
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Hasu needs to carrier slow push... he can afford it..
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On February 17 2012 11:09 zefreak wrote:
This was just Jookto losing a won game in a painfully slow fashion
For real. zzzzzzzzz. Some cool moments, but mostly just 35 minutes of armies posturing in the middle of the map
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jesus christ, hasuobs. just a-move and afk.
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Sup with 190 kill colossus? Sick nerg baller.
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jeez
mouz needs to rename themselves to THSM (the horribly slow murderers)
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY CHANGE BETWEEN NOW AND TWENTY MINUTE FROM NOW
GO ATTACK
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I had to get up from bed to post this - send 20 freaking lings and kill the production buildings omg ;o
As for Hasu, Thorzain would be proud.
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This game would be over if Jookto had focused down that freaking nexus before the mothership popped. That mothership is the only reason Hasu is alive
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They should've named the second Colossus Hobbes >.>
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I think that the only thing that has been seen less then carriers is there fleet beacon intercepter upgrade, hasu might as well get it
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Does he have the fast interceptor launch upgrade?
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Wow Hasu.... it was GG 5-10 minutes ago with an A-move army... why would he let him mine? Like frick come on.
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United States13143 Posts
This would've been a great game if hasu had attacked 30 minutes ago.
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If Hasu loses this game both players should be removed from their teams lol
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It's been a while since I have seen this many carriers in SC2.
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On February 17 2012 11:15 mrtomjones wrote:
Wow Hasu.... it was GG 5-10 minutes ago with an A-move army... why would he let him mine? Like frick come on.
Yeah, everything is getting worse by waiting.
He gave up the base. He donated some carriers. Now finally a annoying ling runby to his base.
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Infinite health broodlord
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On February 17 2012 11:16 Elyvilon wrote:
This would've been a great game if hasu had attacked 30 minutes ago.
Agreed. I was loving it until they ended up in this spot....
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On February 17 2012 11:15 NPF wrote:
Does he have the fast interceptor launch upgrade?
yes he upgraded it about an eternity ago ^^
for the love of god... somebody attack
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On February 17 2012 11:14 tree.hugger wrote:
WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY CHANGE BETWEEN NOW AND TWENTY MINUTE FROM NOW
GO ATTACK
I second this motion. I've been sitting here for 35 mins now waiting to take a shit.
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On February 17 2012 11:17 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:15 mrtomjones wrote:
Wow Hasu.... it was GG 5-10 minutes ago with an A-move army... why would he let him mine? Like frick come on. Yeah, everything is getting worse by waiting. He gave up the base. He donated some carriers. Now finally a annoying ling runby to his base.
The funny thing is that everything you just said applies equally to Jookto 50 minutes ago
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...omg... he is maxed.... what does he have to gain from sitting there.........
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On February 17 2012 11:17 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:17 00Visor wrote:On February 17 2012 11:15 mrtomjones wrote:
Wow Hasu.... it was GG 5-10 minutes ago with an A-move army... why would he let him mine? Like frick come on. Yeah, everything is getting worse by waiting. He gave up the base. He donated some carriers. Now finally a annoying ling runby to his base. The funny thing is that everything you just said applies equally to Jookto 50 minutes ago
Well Jookto was actually attacking, hasu just pulled off a very nice hold.
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JookTo is just making sure Hasu is tired when he finally wins. That way oGs should have an easy win next match.
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Just go and kill him goddamnit. Spoon protoss indeed.
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On February 17 2012 11:18 mrtomjones wrote:
...omg... he is maxed.... what does he have to gain from sitting there.........
funny thing is, he couldve a-moved when he was at 200/200 vs 120/200 and remaxed with whatever composition he wanted even if he lost every single unit.
just unreal
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United States13143 Posts
So is there any upgrade that protoss can get that hasu hasn't gotten yet?
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Why doesn't he just throw a vortex and pick off units during its duration. Then do it again. Then again. And so on..
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If he can vortex the queens he'll roll through
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WHY jookto why if you've already sat for 2 hours just let him attack into you -_-
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THANKS JOOKTO
holy shit that was unnecessary long
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United States9244 Posts
Haha best use of mass recall I've ever seen
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Send VINES for a cannon rush now please
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United States97276 Posts
Holy shit 253 kill colossus O_o
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On February 17 2012 11:21 Talin wrote:
WHY jookto why if you've already sat for 2 hours just let him attack into you -_-
Probably just as annoyed and bored as we were.
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Holy fuck.
Edit: wow people were bored? What the hell is wrong with you!? That was epic muta vs blink stalker battles into an epic hold at the nexus, into a crazy half map vs half map positional battle, into a pretty much never before seen unit composition for protoss (seriously, that was like 9 carriers!) into a battle over the last base with gas! How th SWEET CRIMENY is that not entertaining!?
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wtf did I just watch lol so glad I only came in for the last 15 minutes
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Noooooo! Not another Zerg! T.T
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On February 17 2012 11:19 Elyvilon wrote:
So is there any upgrade that protoss can get that hasu hasn't gotten yet?
Probably a few.... Warp prism speed likely since I dont remember any from when I started watching, possibly observer speed...
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On February 17 2012 11:22 Whoranzone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:21 Talin wrote:
WHY jookto why if you've already sat for 2 hours just let him attack into you -_- Probably just as annoyed and bored as we were.
Speak for yourself, I was entertained.
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WILLIAAAAAAAAAMMMMMM
Someone needs to screencap that hero
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On February 17 2012 11:15 mrtomjones wrote:
Wow Hasu.... it was GG 5-10 minutes ago with an A-move army... why would he let him mine? Like frick come on.
did you know that the players acutally DONT SEE how much fucking gas or mins the other player has? jookto could very well be on 7k and 4k and you just throw away the game with a "a move".
do you guys even PLAY the game or do you just watch and give stupid comments?
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
Only goody can out-do-nothing Hasu. Nice try Jookto.
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the legend of bill, fishuu needs to do some art lol
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how hardcore badass would luvsic be if he just six pooled this mother fucker after that
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Jookto should have left the game earlier. Hasu didn't know how many units and how much money Jookto had, he couldn't scout, but Jookto saw Hasu's army because of the changlings.
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Such a cool game. Really smart of Jookto to use all those minerals on queens, I'm surprised that I haven't seen that before. Zerglings and Spines have pretty negligible late game value, but queens brought him back into that.
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On February 17 2012 11:17 Pulimuli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:15 NPF wrote:
Does he have the fast interceptor launch upgrade? yes he upgraded it about an eternity ago ^^ for the love of god... somebody attack
Ah I missed it. Thanks for being more observant than me.
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Poll: Reccomend Hasuobs vs Jookto?If you have a lot of fucking time (52) 64% Yes (25) 31% No (4) 5% 81 total votes Your vote: Reccomend Hasuobs vs Jookto? (Vote): No
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): If you have a lot of fucking time
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Now I now what BeastyQT meant when he said Hasu bored him to death.
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Confused as to how there is still progamer zergs that think maxing on pure ultra is a good idea in any matchup unless the game is already won x.x.
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On February 17 2012 11:23 turamn wrote:
how hardcore badass would luvsic be if he just six pooled this mother fucker after that
Hasuobs had a great comeback in that game, but he let it drag out. But if you remember the beginning of the game (a long time ago), he was quite behind and the mutas had a "contain" on him. It was great to see him make the comeback.
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If Jookto keeps staying at his defensive position would this be a draw in the end?
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On February 17 2012 11:23 turamn wrote:
how hardcore badass would luvsic be if he just six pooled this mother fucker after that
o0
better be grateful for these sort of games, instead of offending the players..
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That was one of the most genuinely interesting starcraft 2 games I think has ever been played, as much as I dislike vortex, HasuObs played that brilliantly and so did JookTo with that infestor move. I love that Hasu either thought ahead of time that if he moved out he could recall back in his stalkers and bait JookTo into something other than a draw. Like I think he probably could have just rushed in when there was an 80 supply difference but he can't really tell that when you looked at the sheer amount of stuff JookTo had.
edit: I would dare to say that people who didn't enjoy that game as it was 'dragging on' probably weren't that into BW or worse, thought BW TvT was boring.
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On February 17 2012 11:22 TheDougler wrote:
Holy fuck.
Edit: wow people were bored? What the hell is wrong with you!? That was epic muta vs blink stalker battles into an epic hold at the nexus, into a crazy half map vs half map positional battle, into a pretty much never before seen unit composition for protoss (seriously, that was like 9 carriers!) into a battle over the last base with gas! How th SWEET CRIMENY is that not entertaining!?
Quoting my edit because by the time I finished writing it we were on a new page.
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On February 17 2012 11:23 turamn wrote:
how hardcore badass would luvsic be if he just six pooled this mother fucker after that
man, cool down please... even if you are bored, say you are bored, dont judge on players decisions because most of you simply dont know what they talk about.
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On February 17 2012 11:24 Champloo wrote:
Now I now what BeastyQT meant when he said Hasu bored him to death.
You only now figured this out? t.t
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Sick recall at the end by HasuObs. I think Jookto was baited into attacking when he saw the stalkers were away from the main army.
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On February 17 2012 11:26 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:24 Champloo wrote:
Now I now what BeastyQT meant when he said Hasu bored him to death. You only now figured this out? t.t
Hasuobs = spoon toss?
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God that was an awesome game. Seems like carriers have a role after all 
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On February 17 2012 11:25 TheDougler wrote:
Holy fuck.
Edit: wow people were bored? What the hell is wrong with you!? That was epic muta vs blink stalker battles into an epic hold at the nexus, into a crazy half map vs half map positional battle, into a pretty much never before seen unit composition for protoss (seriously, that was like 9 carriers!) into a battle over the last base with gas! How th SWEET CRIMENY is that not entertaining!?
There were so many amazing moments in this game. That stall that led to the mothership, the amazing neural then vortex then feedback situation and tons of fucking carriers making their mark. I am so fucking pumped even though Hasu could have ended the game a little earlier; there is nothing wrong with being safe.
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On February 17 2012 11:28 RageCommodore wrote:God that was an awesome game. Seems like carriers have a role after all
If only...if only
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United States1050 Posts
On February 17 2012 11:24 gardinho wrote:Poll: Reccomend Hasuobs vs Jookto?If you have a lot of fucking time (52) 64% Yes (25) 31% No (4) 5% 81 total votes Your vote: Reccomend Hasuobs vs Jookto? (Vote): No
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): If you have a lot of fucking time
Haha, this is awesome.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On February 17 2012 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:26 tree.hugger wrote:On February 17 2012 11:24 Champloo wrote:
Now I now what BeastyQT meant when he said Hasu bored him to death. You only now figured this out? t.t Hasuobs = spoon toss?
HasuObs is like the Rubber Spatula Toss.
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To be honest, they both played defensively while using small groups of units to try and do damage. I worry that this will be the retarded development of PvZ in the future. Attack = death, so let's wait.
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On February 17 2012 11:23 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:15 mrtomjones wrote:
Wow Hasu.... it was GG 5-10 minutes ago with an A-move army... why would he let him mine? Like frick come on. did you know that the players acutally DONT SEE how much fucking gas or mins the other player has? jookto could very well be on 7k and 4k and you just throw away the game with a "a move". do you guys even PLAY the game or do you just watch and give stupid comments?
What he can see is that there is no way that he is maxed, has no mining(at one point), and he can see his own supply at 200 and minerals/gas both well over 2k. Jookto had about 140-150 supply for ages. A progamer should be able to tell when there is 50 supply of units not being used and notice after 20 minutes that he isnt making anything else.
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On February 17 2012 11:31 m0ck wrote:
To be honest, they both played defensively while using small groups of units to try and do damage. I worry that this will be the retarded development of PvZ in the future. Attack = death, so let's wait.
Retarded? I like play styles that reward the player who multitasks better.
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On February 17 2012 11:29 chasmofcrisis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:25 TheDougler wrote:
Holy fuck.
Edit: wow people were bored? What the hell is wrong with you!? That was epic muta vs blink stalker battles into an epic hold at the nexus, into a crazy half map vs half map positional battle, into a pretty much never before seen unit composition for protoss (seriously, that was like 9 carriers!) into a battle over the last base with gas! How th SWEET CRIMENY is that not entertaining!? There were so many amazing moments in this game. That stall that led to the mothership, the amazing neural then vortex then feedback situation and tons of fucking carriers making their mark. I am so fucking pumped even though Hasu could have ended the game a little earlier; there is nothing wrong with being safe.
And even the final battle was STILL pretty epic. The recall, the feedbacks on the queens.
Oh! And that one bunch of fungles at the penultimate battle which killed like six carriers with help from the corrupters. Like seriously how was that NOT just a fucking SWEET game. We finally got to see what PvZ looks like when played out about as much humanly possible!
But as the casters was saying, the most epic moment was the EPIC hold at that base. That might be the most epic hold I've seen, edging out Naniwa vs Thorzain in TSL 3 where Naniwa forvefielded Thorzains ramp so thorzain airlifts his army peice by peice while microing against the assault.
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On February 17 2012 11:25 Fandango wrote:
That was one of the most genuinely interesting starcraft 2 games I think has ever been played, as much as I dislike vortex, HasuObs played that brilliantly and so did JookTo with that infestor move. I love that Hasu either thought ahead of time that if he moved out he could recall back in his stalkers and bait JookTo into something other than a draw. Like I think he probably could have just rushed in when there was an 80 supply difference but he can't really tell that when you looked at the sheer amount of stuff JookTo had.
edit: I would dare to say that people who didn't enjoy that game as it was 'dragging on' probably weren't that into BW or worse, thought BW TvT was boring.
Are you kidding me? I watch plenty of BW and that game was definitely not the most interesting SC2 match. There were so many confusing choices made by Jookto, many other zergs would have won that game 40 minutes in. The match was a mess but looks deeper than it is because of cute micro tricks and such. If you want to see actually high level ZvP watch Genius vs DRG ro32.
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team mouSpoon Sports.
ThorZaIN
HasuObs
MorroW
Spooning since 2010.
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On February 17 2012 11:36 dragonborn wrote:
team mouSpoon Sports.
ThorZaIN
HasuObs
MorroW
Spooning since 2010.
Spoonsports FIGHTING
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Jesus christ only 1-1? That must have been a long game since I left at what looked like about 3/4 through the game.
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On February 17 2012 11:36 dragonborn wrote:
team mouSpoon Sports.
ThorZaIN
HasuObs
MorroW
Spooning since 2010.
Goody should join.
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On February 17 2012 11:37 Chicane wrote:
Jesus christ only 1-1? That must have been a long game since I left at what looked like about 3/4 through the game.
hour and a half actually
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On February 17 2012 11:37 Chicane wrote:
Jesus christ only 1-1? That must have been a long game since I left at what looked like about 3/4 through the game.
yea.... + Show Spoiler +
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Well that was a sudden GG. He was behind, but come on, at least go for an all out attack or something. Mouz leading!
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nice gg timing 
really good defense and smart play hasu
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Luvsic feared the spoon kill and gged
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United States97276 Posts
Hasuobs all kill! He's out of his slump
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On February 17 2012 11:38 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:36 dragonborn wrote:
team mouSpoon Sports.
ThorZaIN
HasuObs
MorroW
Spooning since 2010. Goody should join.
goody doesn't spoon, he just goes into his shell. Spooning would hint at minimal forms of aggression.
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Best series ever. Fuck these have been fun games.
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Luvsic: "oh hell no hasu, you're not taking my youth"
GG
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On February 17 2012 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:26 tree.hugger wrote:On February 17 2012 11:24 Champloo wrote:
Now I now what BeastyQT meant when he said Hasu bored him to death. You only now figured this out? t.t Hasuobs = spoon toss?
mouz in general is a spoon team, Thozain, Mana and Hasuobs are all to some degree "spoon" Even Morrow sometimes
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
On February 17 2012 11:40 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 17 2012 11:26 tree.hugger wrote:On February 17 2012 11:24 Champloo wrote:
Now I now what BeastyQT meant when he said Hasu bored him to death. You only now figured this out? t.t Hasuobs = spoon toss? mouz in general is a spoon team, Thozain, Mana and Hasuobs are all to some degree "spoon" Even Morrow sometimes
Morrow's not very spoony, he's the knife to Mana's fork + Hasu and T-Zain's spoons, to complete the cutlery.
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On February 17 2012 11:42 MCDayC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:40 mcc wrote:On February 17 2012 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 17 2012 11:26 tree.hugger wrote:On February 17 2012 11:24 Champloo wrote:
Now I now what BeastyQT meant when he said Hasu bored him to death. You only now figured this out? t.t Hasuobs = spoon toss? mouz in general is a spoon team, Thozain, Mana and Hasuobs are all to some degree "spoon" Even Morrow sometimes Morrow's not very spoony, he's the knife to Mana's fork + Hasu and T-Zain's spoons, to complete the cutlery.
did you watch him vs Puma in this very NASTL?
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Hasu must be practicing again.
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On February 17 2012 11:35 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:25 Fandango wrote:
That was one of the most genuinely interesting starcraft 2 games I think has ever been played, as much as I dislike vortex, HasuObs played that brilliantly and so did JookTo with that infestor move. I love that Hasu either thought ahead of time that if he moved out he could recall back in his stalkers and bait JookTo into something other than a draw. Like I think he probably could have just rushed in when there was an 80 supply difference but he can't really tell that when you looked at the sheer amount of stuff JookTo had.
edit: I would dare to say that people who didn't enjoy that game as it was 'dragging on' probably weren't that into BW or worse, thought BW TvT was boring. Are you kidding me? I watch plenty of BW and that game was definitely not the most interesting SC2 match. There were so many confusing choices made by Jookto, many other zergs would have won that game 40 minutes in. The match was a mess but looks deeper than it is because of cute micro tricks and such. If you want to see actually high level ZvP watch Genius vs DRG ro32.
I'm not remotely joking and your fake incredulation is just irritating. I state in the very line you're reacting to that I was talking about when it was dragging on, not before that. The situation that arose when zerg was behind but with well built up defence was heavily reminscent of split map TvT in BW where an obvious move can easily be dealt with so they were slowly trying to safely push each other around the map. It's not even a TvT specific thing, any BW matchup where there was a possibility of large scale map control resulted in these sort of fantastic situations where there's constant risk reward analysis and players really get to think about their possible options. I'm going with my initial comment on this one bub.
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On February 17 2012 11:29 chasmofcrisis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:25 TheDougler wrote:
Holy fuck.
Edit: wow people were bored? What the hell is wrong with you!? That was epic muta vs blink stalker battles into an epic hold at the nexus, into a crazy half map vs half map positional battle, into a pretty much never before seen unit composition for protoss (seriously, that was like 9 carriers!) into a battle over the last base with gas! How th SWEET CRIMENY is that not entertaining!? There were so many amazing moments in this game. That stall that led to the mothership, the amazing neural then vortex then feedback situation and tons of fucking carriers making their mark. I am so fucking pumped even though Hasu could have ended the game a little earlier; there is nothing wrong with being safe.
The first, like, 40 minutes of the game were awesome, especially when Hasu was trying to take his fourth and then stall for long enough for a mothership. After about 50-60 minutes in, Hasu just had a massive lead and his refusal to attack was frustrating to watch.
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On February 17 2012 11:43 Bagi wrote:
Hasu must be practicing again.
Well he is bootcamping with Socke, Delphi, DBS and other good German SC2 players in Takes Apartment for a week now while Take is on vacation.
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On February 17 2012 11:43 Bagi wrote:
Hasu must be practicing again.
haha..
hasu is a fkn mass gamer..
he is ingame for the whole day usually.
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What was CatsPajamas talking about with the assimilator. That didn't make sense at all to me.
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I bet we see a repeat of Hasuobs vs Grubby 200/200 double digit colossus mothership death ball
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Sometimes I hate dts lol.
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Not the place to hide a robo... especially when he scares the stalkers away to them.
It seems like he should just go for a forge to at least get a tie. It builds faster.
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United States97276 Posts
hasuobs cant make an observer and hes revealed. he loses
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Fantasy timing in my opinion. He could not build a robo because he was revealed, so he had no detection.
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always make a second observer if you are ahead in pvp. :/
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Vines with the total domination. bery gud
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
I gotta go to bed, but gogogogogo gl THHHHOOOORRZZZAAAAAIIIIIIINNNNNN.
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On February 17 2012 11:56 Bagration wrote:
Fantasy timing in my opinion. He could not build a robo because he was revealed, so he had no detection.
even if he did get the robo up he couldnt make an observer because he only had like 120 gas total before putting down the robo
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So is every game where someone stays a bit too long "fantasy gg timing" nowadays?
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On February 17 2012 11:59 nihlon wrote:
So is every game where someone stays a bit too long "fantasy gg timing" nowadays?
Fantasy GG is whenever a player has basically no chance of winning stays in the game. Hasuobs had no detection, no robo, no forge, and was revealed. That's basically an unwinnable situation.
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On February 17 2012 11:59 nihlon wrote:
So is every game where someone stays a bit too long "fantasy gg timing" nowadays?
Nowadays and for all the days.
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On February 17 2012 11:59 nihlon wrote:
So is every game where someone stays a bit too long "fantasy gg timing" nowadays?
Nope.
But that was fantasy gg timing because there was literally no way he could've won or forced a draw. He didn't have enough gas for robo AND observer. There was no way he can win, seriously. If that's not gg timing then I don't know what is.
EDIT: I take that back, he could've won if he built a forge and a cannon with his remaining ~300 minerals then Vines sent a single DT at a time then each stalker at once then each probe at once. As you can see, that's the only way, but no self-respecting pro would do that.
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Jookto, luvsic and now vines, How seriously do koreans take these leagues? their lineup so far is weak, where are the heavy hitters?
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Well, which heavy-hitters? This is about as good as it gets for oGs..
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On February 17 2012 12:07 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
Jookto, luvsic and now vines, How seriously do koreans take these leagues? their lineup so far is weak, where are the heavy hitters?
Preparing for their GSL and GSTL matches I would guess. It gives B-teamers good practice though...
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On February 17 2012 12:10 m0ck wrote:
Well, which heavy-hitters? This is about as good as it gets for oGs..
TheStC, Fin and Supernova are just scrubs.
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Are vines, jookto and luvsic? I never denigrated the players you're mentioning..
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This is why I hate Zealots as Terran.
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Hero vikings on the high ground.
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United States13143 Posts
mass landed vikings holding off that protoss attack was pretty funny.
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Hasuobs did try to build the robo...twice
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Vines did very well
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Pretty big win for VINES, let's AK now gogo
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On February 17 2012 12:20 Talin wrote:
Pretty big win for VINES, let's AK now gogo
You can't AK when 1 of ur teammates has already won.
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On February 17 2012 12:13 m0ck wrote:
Are vines, jookto and luvsic? I never denigrated the players you're mentioning..
You put them on the same level (or even lower) as vines, jookto and luvsic, and the players I mentioned are clearly a step above.
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On February 17 2012 12:17 CaptainCharisma wrote:
This is why I hate Zealots as Terran.
needs more marines x,x
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DAT COLLOSUS LOL. 'nuff said Should be a higher rank that Executor
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Pretty easy for Vines. Thorzain had way too many Ghosts and Marauders against that very Zealot heavy comp. EMP is good but then the ghosts just don't pull their weight against the health of the zealots. Needed the DPS of marines too.
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pretty scare how the b-teamers in korea take your our supestars in foreign teams
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On February 17 2012 12:24 Kira__ wrote:
pretty scare how the b-teamers in korea take your our supestars in foreign teams
It was worse in BW.
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I found that game hasuobs vs VINES pretty weird actually ;O just had to say that. Zerg just picked off anything he wanted
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On February 17 2012 12:24 Kira__ wrote:
pretty scare how the b-teamers in korea take your our supestars in foreign teams
its almost like korean teams dont jump on hype trains and take people for winning 1 stupid show match and actually scout and evaluate their pick ups as long term investments of both money and time.... or something
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On February 17 2012 12:21 kochujang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 12:13 m0ck wrote:
Are vines, jookto and luvsic? I never denigrated the players you're mentioning.. You put them on the same level (or even lower) as vines, jookto and luvsic, and the players I mentioned are clearly a step above.
Maybe overstated a bit, but the last I've seen from supernova and Finn does not put them a step above vines. Maybe theSTC is different, it's been a while since Ive seen a match of his.
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On February 17 2012 12:24 Kira__ wrote:
pretty scare how the b-teamers in korea take your our supestars in foreign teams
It's mixed results. Just because in some few cases a lesser known Korean can take out an established Foreigner, doesn't mean it's proof of lesser skilled Koreans > Top Notch foreigner. It's just certain situations the lesser known Korean can put up a better single game. After all, look what Thorzain did to QIM at finals of IPL TAC2. Took out at least 2 Code A level players, and a Code S former Terran as well.
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His ling was so close to scouting the proxy stargate
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What a scary timing. That attack from Vines came so fast, way faster than most 2 base attacks.
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On February 17 2012 12:26 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 12:24 Kira__ wrote:
pretty scare how the b-teamers in korea take your our supestars in foreign teams its almost like korean teams dont jump on hype trains and take people for winning 1 stupid show match and actually scout and evaluate their pick ups as long term investments of both money and time.... or something
What are you trying to say? Punctuation could help, maybe.
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Damn, Vines on a killing spree!
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United States13143 Posts
Go MaNa!
I don't think he'll be enough on his own, though.
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On February 17 2012 12:24 Kira__ wrote:
pretty scare how the b-teamers in korea take your our supestars in foreign teams
This is a little extreme. Vines beating Thorzain in a bo1 doesn't instantly show that our best are worse than their mediocre. Not two days ago, TLO beat the best two players (along with one of their top zergs) of the second best team in Korea (based solely on the last GSTL). Certainly, on a consistent basis the Koreans are a bit ahead of foreigners but your implicit claim that their worse are leagues better than our best is silly and absurd.
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not 1 zerg winning tonight...sad night for the swarm
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On February 17 2012 12:42 ninjamyst wrote:
not 1 zerg winning tonight...sad night for the swarm
Jookto won game 1...but it was a ZvZ
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So Heromarine is the only mouz player left if Mana goes down?
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United States13143 Posts
Forcefielding that robo was so smart.
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On February 17 2012 12:44 Whatson wrote:
So Heromarine is the only mouz player left if Mana goes down?
The match is over if Mana goes down.
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that was thinking on your feet at its finest, great hold
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Nice FF there and DT reaction by Mana
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United States97276 Posts
Vines really likes DTs. You can tell he's on the same team as InCa
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Holy shit, MaNa, amazing hold
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On February 17 2012 12:42 chasmofcrisis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 12:24 Kira__ wrote:
pretty scare how the b-teamers in korea take your our supestars in foreign teams This is a little extreme. Vines beating Thorzain in a bo1 doesn't instantly show that our best are worse than their mediocre. Not two days ago, TLO beat the best two players (along with one of their top zergs) of the second best team in Korea (based solely on the last GSTL). Certainly, on a consistent basis the Koreans are a bit ahead of foreigners but your implicit claim that their worse are leagues better than our best is silly and absurd.
Nope, Koreans are way more than a bit ahead. To think otherwise is silly, don't be blind.
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vines' armyi not scary at all.....
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Congrats oGs. Great 4 kill by Vines
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On February 17 2012 12:54 gradotude wrote:
vines' armyi not scary at all.....
Bet you feel smart..
Vines was way ahead
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Very well played by Vines, especially the final game.
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Wow. Great day for Vines.
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Lol didn't expect vines with 19% winrate NEARLY all killed mouz.
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On February 17 2012 12:42 chasmofcrisis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 12:24 Kira__ wrote:
pretty scare how the b-teamers in korea take your our supestars in foreign teams This is a little extreme. Vines beating Thorzain in a bo1 doesn't instantly show that our best are worse than their mediocre. Not two days ago, TLO beat the best two players (along with one of their top zergs) of the second best team in Korea (based solely on the last GSTL). Certainly, on a consistent basis the Koreans are a bit ahead of foreigners but your implicit claim that their worse are leagues better than our best is silly and absurd.
there is a reason why foreingers never go far in code A. You may underestimate code B players, but code B can beat code S sometimes, that means they can beat top foreingers too. Avenge and Maru are unknowns, but before Lucky beat Naniwa he was unknown too.
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On February 17 2012 12:55 Majynx wrote:
Wow. Great day for Vines.
Everyday is a good day for Vines.
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As a foreigner, this is pretty embarrassing. The best non-Korean team just got stomped by a B-teamer. I can't believe I ever thought Mouz had a chance.
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good showing by hasuobs, but even better showing by vines. kind of sad no1 was able to take him out, i dont think vines would be able to take out all of those 4 in a row every day.
gz oGs, seems like even mouz and empire are too week to keep up with the top korean teams. or... probably one of them will still be able to? we will see!
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On February 17 2012 13:28 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
As a foreigner, this is pretty embarrassing. The best non-Korean team just got stomped by a B-teamer. I can't believe I ever thought Mouz had a chance.
TLO almost all-killed Prime, does that means all Koreans should be embarrassed? I mean, he's hardly even a top foreigner currently...
Seriously, its a series of BO1's, don't read too much into it.
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On February 17 2012 13:28 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
As a foreigner, this is pretty embarrassing. The best non-Korean team just got stomped by a B-teamer. I can't believe I ever thought Mouz had a chance.
Vines may not be in the GSL, but he was sent out in GSTL, so obviously the team has faith in his abilities. Besides, the games with Hasuobs (if Hasuobs had made an additional observer) and Thorzain were very close.
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Singapore609 Posts
I strongly disagree that Vines is a standard of a B-teamer. He is by-far the strongest protoss in oGs after MC left. And most importantly, Vines is rank 1 GM on NA for FOREVER. You may say that's NA but he is also top 100 GM in KR server. Give vines some credit.
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looks like Vines been practicing with Inca alot =P
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I went to sleep after Vines beat HasuObs. I'm suprised that Vines won all the games, because he only won against Hasu just because he took a huge risk and hoped that Hasu didn't build a second observer and counted on killing the first one.
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maybe you wanna start the rebroadcast?
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On February 18 2012 02:47 Tppz! wrote:
maybe you wanna start the rebroadcast?
I thought it was just me and my pc good to know.
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Sorry folks, rebroadcast is running properly now. It seems 720 resolution is not working as it should, but 720+ and 480 look great!
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VINES is on fire lately, hopefully he's the new rising star of oGs
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On February 17 2012 14:07 warcralft wrote:
I strongly disagree that Vines is a standard of a B-teamer. He is by-far the strongest protoss in oGs after MC left. And most importantly, Vines is rank 1 GM on NA for FOREVER. You may say that's NA but he is also top 100 GM in KR server. Give vines some credit.
I believe Inca is better.
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On February 17 2012 14:07 warcralft wrote:
I strongly disagree that Vines is a standard of a B-teamer. He is by-far the strongest protoss in oGs after MC left. And most importantly, Vines is rank 1 GM on NA for FOREVER. You may say that's NA but he is also top 100 GM in KR server. Give vines some credit.
He's just another pretty good korean player who can't play in GSL consistently.
I give him credit for being better than any foreigner ofc.
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On February 17 2012 13:31 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 13:28 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
As a foreigner, this is pretty embarrassing. The best non-Korean team just got stomped by a B-teamer. I can't believe I ever thought Mouz had a chance. TLO almost all-killed Prime, does that means all Koreans should be embarrassed? I mean, he's hardly even a top foreigner currently... Seriously, its a series of BO1's, don't read too much into it.
Well... Prime WON that match, so no, there's no reason at all to be embarrassed.
Mouz on the other hand, LOST to the oGs all-star triumvirate of... jookto, Luvsic and VINES. So, no matter how I try to spin it, it was a poor performance by mouz.
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Why do people think if a player isn't in the gsl they're a b teamer, that's just a dumb mentality. Often times some of the best players have just had unlucky draws in code a qualifiers or just haven't hit a big break. People would have been calling partig a b teamer a month ago, it's not like his skill level drastically increased In one months time, he just hit his big break. Same can be said for drg, he was mvps best player even before making it into code a.
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Feel like oGs wanted to show that they don't only have Terrans.
It's sad Luvsic and Jookto are still pretty average TT
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The playlist for this series is now on YouTube! Watch here: Mouz vs oGs bo9
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