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On February 17 2012 21:09 Otolia wrote:Group A - 12:00Group A seems rather straight-forward : one korean training in the US known for its TvP, a strong ukrainian terran and 2 protoss outsiders. However I don't think it will be that easy for PuMa, TiTaN is capable of beating and show good TvP and Kas is above him right now. Left alone is Welmu, not really a dark horse and a little bit outclassed by the rest of the tournament. Pass : Kas & Winner of TiTaN vs. PuMa
huh
Puma lives in Korea and always has. He spent a couple weeks at the EG house last year but that is it. He has amazing TvP and should easily make it out of the group.
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On February 17 2012 21:09 Otolia wrote:Group B - 13:00Ah Stephano, the foreigner powerhouse, the devil child, the person on par with NaNiwa for the flak he gets from the community. Yeah, that Stephano and the rest of the group. It seems rather insulting from me to say that he is on another level then MaNa, Happy and NightEnd but there is little room to discussion. That said, his last two big tournaments were god-awful. Dreamhack was disappointing and in HSC 4 he was more interested in having fun with Bling than winning. I guess that's fine but the checks aren't going to the bank by themselves. If you remember well NightEnd beat him at the DH Winter, I don't think it will happen this time. MaNa will once again lose against Stephano and Happy won't be solid or innovative enough. After Stephano everything is possible .. MaNa is traditionnaly stronger than Happy and NightEnd but he seems to lose steam this days. Happy is little more than a solid player and he lacks the spark that will make him a tremendous terran. And NightEnd is somewhat of a darkhorse. Pass : Stephano & ???? (My bet on NightEnd)
Although NightEnd got further than Stephano, NightEnd did not beat Stephano at DreamHack Winter. They did not play. Unless this is wrong http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/DreamHack_Winter_2011
They did play at HSC4 and Shoutcraft Invitational 4 in Jan 2012 and Stephano beat NightEnd on both occasions.
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TaeJa is going to obliterate the competition.
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Russian Federation1849 Posts
All groups apart from group F look sick.
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On February 17 2012 21:09 Otolia wrote:
Group C - 14:00 Moon ReaL BRAT_OK ClouD What is Moon capable of ? He is the same as in WC3 ? That will be his time to show us. His opposition while good isn't top tier and if he doesn't go 6-0 in his group, it will be a failure for a korean that known. ReaL is gimmicky but very ballsy, Brat_OK is a macro terran but lacking creativity and ClouD is creative but awfully tricky to play. ReaL doesn't have a good PvT so I will favor both EU terrans over him. ClouD is a uncanny TvTer and that will be his main advantage however he is not as solid as Brat_OK so he might lose to a protoss 2 base timing from ReaL.
Pass : Moon & Brat_OK
ReaL actually has quite good PvT, his PvZ isn't as strong. At IEM he nerly defeated Supernova after having a 2-0 lead, but then he got nervous or something. I think Moon and ReaL will advance even though I also would really like ClouD and ReaL to advance.
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I hate it how I need to have a Failbook account to participate in competitions.
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On February 17 2012 22:45 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 21:09 Otolia wrote:Group B - 13:00Ah Stephano, the foreigner powerhouse, the devil child, the person on par with NaNiwa for the flak he gets from the community. Yeah, that Stephano and the rest of the group. It seems rather insulting from me to say that he is on another level then MaNa, Happy and NightEnd but there is little room to discussion. That said, his last two big tournaments were god-awful. Dreamhack was disappointing and in HSC 4 he was more interested in having fun with Bling than winning. I guess that's fine but the checks aren't going to the bank by themselves. If you remember well NightEnd beat him at the DH Winter, I don't think it will happen this time. MaNa will once again lose against Stephano and Happy won't be solid or innovative enough. After Stephano everything is possible .. MaNa is traditionnaly stronger than Happy and NightEnd but he seems to lose steam this days. Happy is little more than a solid player and he lacks the spark that will make him a tremendous terran. And NightEnd is somewhat of a darkhorse. Pass : Stephano & ???? (My bet on NightEnd) Although NightEnd got further than Stephano, NightEnd did not beat Stephano at DreamHack Winter. They did not play. Unless this is wrong http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/DreamHack_Winter_2011They did play at HSC4 and Shoutcraft Invitational 4 in Jan 2012 and Stephano beat NightEnd on both occasions.
In fact they played at DH but Steph did two 6pools since the games were not streamed and he was already out of the group
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It was versus Cloud, not NightEnd.
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A: Puma, Kas B: Stephano, Happy (take a look at Happys record the last month) C: Pretty even group, Cloud has been strong lately, Moon is the big ?, in doubt bet on Koreans: Moon, ReaL D: HerO, Select E: JYP, Satiini F: Taeja, elfi (if Taeja overcomes his nerve issues, he is the absolute favourite to take the whole thing) G: Lucky, Strelok/Bly H: Polt, TLO (yeah, betting TLO again!)
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Just watched the VODs from ESVtv GP finals... TaeJa looks scary in TvT... If he can play live it's his tournament to lose!
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On February 17 2012 03:29 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 02:54 StrafeJD wrote:On February 17 2012 02:05 fortheGG wrote:On February 17 2012 01:29 StrafeJD wrote: Predictions to advance
A - PuMa, Kas - look out for Titan B - Happy, NightEnD - look out for MaNa or Stephano, very even group C - ReaL, BRAT_OK - look out for Moon D - HerO, SeleCT - look out for nobody, this group should be rapped up by HerO and Select E - JYP, White-Ra - look out for nobody, this group should be rapped up by JYP and White-Ra. F - elfi, (alive, if he makes it out of Grand prix 1) - look out for Adelscott G - Lucky, Strelok - look out for nobody, this group should be rapped up by Lucky and Strelok. H - Polt, BlinG - look out for nobody, this group should be rapped up by Polt and BlinG. Can't see how you'd think both Mana / Stephano wouldn't make it out of that group. Because Stephano went 1-6 in the second group stage of dreamhack winter 2011 and has done nothing good sense then. And MaNa was practicing a lot, but he goes to school so hasn't been able to get a great amount of practice lately. Since the beginnig of the year, Stephano won Scan Invitational 3 7-0, Shoutcraft Invitational 13-3 and eOSL Winter 13-4, making him the highest earning foreigner in the new year, with about twice as much as the 2/3 place got (Kas/Dimaga). "Nothing good"?
I don't consider those as good. I expect him to win qualifiers but until he performs in a large live tournament, he is the underdog in group B
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On February 18 2012 01:22 StrafeJD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 03:29 Xoronius wrote:On February 17 2012 02:54 StrafeJD wrote:On February 17 2012 02:05 fortheGG wrote:On February 17 2012 01:29 StrafeJD wrote: Predictions to advance
A - PuMa, Kas - look out for Titan B - Happy, NightEnD - look out for MaNa or Stephano, very even group C - ReaL, BRAT_OK - look out for Moon D - HerO, SeleCT - look out for nobody, this group should be rapped up by HerO and Select E - JYP, White-Ra - look out for nobody, this group should be rapped up by JYP and White-Ra. F - elfi, (alive, if he makes it out of Grand prix 1) - look out for Adelscott G - Lucky, Strelok - look out for nobody, this group should be rapped up by Lucky and Strelok. H - Polt, BlinG - look out for nobody, this group should be rapped up by Polt and BlinG. Can't see how you'd think both Mana / Stephano wouldn't make it out of that group. Because Stephano went 1-6 in the second group stage of dreamhack winter 2011 and has done nothing good sense then. And MaNa was practicing a lot, but he goes to school so hasn't been able to get a great amount of practice lately. Since the beginnig of the year, Stephano won Scan Invitational 3 7-0, Shoutcraft Invitational 13-3 and eOSL Winter 13-4, making him the highest earning foreigner in the new year, with about twice as much as the 2/3 place got (Kas/Dimaga). "Nothing good"? I don't consider those as good. I expect him to win qualifiers but until he performs in a large live tournament, he is the underdog in group B Stop trolling, you're alone in your little world it seems He won more big LAN events than the 3 other guys of the group combined...
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On February 18 2012 01:22 StrafeJD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 03:29 Xoronius wrote:On February 17 2012 02:54 StrafeJD wrote:On February 17 2012 02:05 fortheGG wrote:On February 17 2012 01:29 StrafeJD wrote: Predictions to advance
A - PuMa, Kas - look out for Titan B - Happy, NightEnD - look out for MaNa or Stephano, very even group C - ReaL, BRAT_OK - look out for Moon D - HerO, SeleCT - look out for nobody, this group should be rapped up by HerO and Select E - JYP, White-Ra - look out for nobody, this group should be rapped up by JYP and White-Ra. F - elfi, (alive, if he makes it out of Grand prix 1) - look out for Adelscott G - Lucky, Strelok - look out for nobody, this group should be rapped up by Lucky and Strelok. H - Polt, BlinG - look out for nobody, this group should be rapped up by Polt and BlinG. Can't see how you'd think both Mana / Stephano wouldn't make it out of that group. Because Stephano went 1-6 in the second group stage of dreamhack winter 2011 and has done nothing good sense then. And MaNa was practicing a lot, but he goes to school so hasn't been able to get a great amount of practice lately. Since the beginnig of the year, Stephano won Scan Invitational 3 7-0, Shoutcraft Invitational 13-3 and eOSL Winter 13-4, making him the highest earning foreigner in the new year, with about twice as much as the 2/3 place got (Kas/Dimaga). "Nothing good"? I don't consider those as good. I expect him to win qualifiers but until he performs in a large live tournament, he is the underdog in group B
Happy was in Dreamhack Ro32 like Stephano. He didnt play other live events after that. Nightend was top4 dreamhack, but went out in first groupstage at HSC and IEM Kiev. So they clearly have to be favourites over Stephano due to their strong live performances? You haters are ridiculous.
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On February 18 2012 01:37 Ylrahc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 01:22 StrafeJD wrote:On February 17 2012 03:29 Xoronius wrote:On February 17 2012 02:54 StrafeJD wrote:On February 17 2012 02:05 fortheGG wrote:On February 17 2012 01:29 StrafeJD wrote: Predictions to advance
A - PuMa, Kas - look out for Titan B - Happy, NightEnD - look out for MaNa or Stephano, very even group C - ReaL, BRAT_OK - look out for Moon D - HerO, SeleCT - look out for nobody, this group should be rapped up by HerO and Select E - JYP, White-Ra - look out for nobody, this group should be rapped up by JYP and White-Ra. F - elfi, (alive, if he makes it out of Grand prix 1) - look out for Adelscott G - Lucky, Strelok - look out for nobody, this group should be rapped up by Lucky and Strelok. H - Polt, BlinG - look out for nobody, this group should be rapped up by Polt and BlinG. Can't see how you'd think both Mana / Stephano wouldn't make it out of that group. Because Stephano went 1-6 in the second group stage of dreamhack winter 2011 and has done nothing good sense then. And MaNa was practicing a lot, but he goes to school so hasn't been able to get a great amount of practice lately. Since the beginnig of the year, Stephano won Scan Invitational 3 7-0, Shoutcraft Invitational 13-3 and eOSL Winter 13-4, making him the highest earning foreigner in the new year, with about twice as much as the 2/3 place got (Kas/Dimaga). "Nothing good"? I don't consider those as good. I expect him to win qualifiers but until he performs in a large live tournament, he is the underdog in group B Stop trolling, you're alone in your little world it seems He won more big LAN events than the 3 other guys of the group combined... Indeed. I'm not a stephano fan, but I still think the group is his to lose (and I do think its a VERY solid group).
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Wont miss MLG at all. cant wait to watch this
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Moon has never lost a Bo3 vs Terran outside of Korea. He's a beeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaast.
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Lol "ESV TV Grand Prix Winner" so Taeja has a 50% chance of getting that spot.
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On February 17 2012 21:09 Otolia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Group A - 12:00Group A seems rather straight-forward : one korean training in the US known for its TvP, a strong ukrainian terran and 2 protoss outsiders. However I don't think it will be that easy for PuMa, TiTaN is capable of beating and show good TvP and Kas is above him right now. Left alone is Welmu, not really a dark horse and a little bit outclassed by the rest of the tournament. Pass : Kas & Winner of TiTaN vs. PuMa Group B - 13:00Ah Stephano, the foreigner powerhouse, the devil child, the person on par with NaNiwa for the flak he gets from the community. Yeah, that Stephano and the rest of the group. It seems rather insulting from me to say that he is on another level then MaNa, Happy and NightEnd but there is little room to discussion. That said, his last two big tournaments were god-awful. Dreamhack was disappointing and in HSC 4 he was more interested in having fun with Bling than winning. I guess that's fine but the checks aren't going to the bank by themselves. If you remember well NightEnd beat him at the DH Winter, I don't think it will happen this time. MaNa will once again lose against Stephano and Happy won't be solid or innovative enough. After Stephano everything is possible .. MaNa is traditionnaly stronger than Happy and NightEnd but he seems to lose steam this days. Happy is little more than a solid player and he lacks the spark that will make him a tremendous terran. And NightEnd is somewhat of a darkhorse. Pass : Stephano & ???? (My bet on NightEnd) Group C - 14:00What is Moon capable of ? He is the same as in WC3 ? That will be his time to show us. His opposition while good isn't top tier and if he doesn't go 6-0 in his group, it will be a failure for a korean that known. ReaL is gimmicky but very ballsy, Brat_OK is a macro terran but lacking creativity and ClouD is creative but awfully tricky to play. ReaL doesn't have a good PvT so I will favor both EU terrans over him. ClouD is a uncanny TvTer and that will be his main advantage however he is not as solid as Brat_OK so he might lose to a protoss 2 base timing from ReaL. Pass : Moon & Brat_OK Group D - 15:00After a dissapointing performance in ESWC, sYz is back. He has been somewhat discreet lately so I'm wondering he if can get out of this group though he is a respectable mid-tier EU. Speaking of huge letdown, HerO shouldn't lose here. That said, the common excuses for his losses are his nerves so I don't know ... he might see too much finnish girls and lose his head ... After some thought that's the only excuse he will have if he doesn't pass. I love SeleCT, he is a serious player and a smart guy (a really smart guy) and I think he is above Seiplo and sYz, the former being also a mid-tier EU. Pass : HerO (jinx) & SeleCT Group E - 16:002 protoss, 2 terrans ? I can see where this is going. JYP should pass if he can win against White-Ra (which is not a given), he should win against DieStar because the polish terran has a horrible PvT on top of his nerves issues (not HerO-like though), Satiini (strongly reinforcing the argument I have with my finnish friends that finnish lacks creativity) should also lose. That leaves us with DieStar losing against White-Ra too and out, and Satiini as a wild-card. Because of karma, I'm going to bet on protosses, GSL is the thermometer of SC2 and Protosses have been doing great. Pass : JYP & White-Ra Group F - 17:00Did you watch the ESV Grand Prix ? If no, you are dumb because it was AWESOME. Props to them. So Taeja won, which while unsurprising proves that he isn't the last of SlayerS terrans. I'm going to be buyest and say this will be his international break-out. Elfi has a good PvP and Jinro is coming back and Adelscott really wants to stick with the french ideology of the Maginot line (except Germans always got around it - aren't they smart) of not-scouting. I can't foresee the results of Jinro vs. elfi so I'm going with elfi because his name is Samuli and if it's doesn't make you laugh then you are cold as ice. Pass: Taeja (6-0) & elfi Group G - 18:00Interesting group, perhaps the most interesting for me. Bly is an online beast but never did anything major. Bischu is a strong Protoss but inconsistent and Strelok isn't as strong as he was (though he is extra nice and considerate). Lucky had a good IPL3 and has proven to be a strong Code A (almost Code S). He should be the favorite here because he is korean but the others can take him with good odds. I'll go with Bischu this time. No special reasons, pure guts. Pass : Lucky & Bisch Group H - 19:00TLO is fun and has improce since his switch to Zerg but he is still only a mid-tier EU, PhoeNix isn't as good as his teammate ReaL and will struggle against Polt and BlinG. Polt should take this group easily even though he is having issues in Korea. So the obvious second finisher is BlinG. Pass : Polt & BlinG
Great post. I agree with most of the choices; the only two changes, I would make, are: First I would chose TLO over Bling, maybe I am a bit biased here, because I am german, but recent events + Show Spoiler + made me think, he has really improved. Also I think, bly should win his group, if he doesn´t have nerve issues, he has one of the top ZvZ in Europe and top-european ZvZ (Dimaga 3-2, Stephano 8-0 against korean zergs offline) has a history of beating korean ZvZ.
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On February 18 2012 00:34 AIOL! wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 22:45 revel8 wrote:On February 17 2012 21:09 Otolia wrote:Group B - 13:00Ah Stephano, the foreigner powerhouse, the devil child, the person on par with NaNiwa for the flak he gets from the community. Yeah, that Stephano and the rest of the group. It seems rather insulting from me to say that he is on another level then MaNa, Happy and NightEnd but there is little room to discussion. That said, his last two big tournaments were god-awful. Dreamhack was disappointing and in HSC 4 he was more interested in having fun with Bling than winning. I guess that's fine but the checks aren't going to the bank by themselves. If you remember well NightEnd beat him at the DH Winter, I don't think it will happen this time. MaNa will once again lose against Stephano and Happy won't be solid or innovative enough. After Stephano everything is possible .. MaNa is traditionnaly stronger than Happy and NightEnd but he seems to lose steam this days. Happy is little more than a solid player and he lacks the spark that will make him a tremendous terran. And NightEnd is somewhat of a darkhorse. Pass : Stephano & ???? (My bet on NightEnd) Although NightEnd got further than Stephano, NightEnd did not beat Stephano at DreamHack Winter. They did not play. Unless this is wrong http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/DreamHack_Winter_2011They did play at HSC4 and Shoutcraft Invitational 4 in Jan 2012 and Stephano beat NightEnd on both occasions. In fact they played at DH but Steph did two 6pools since the games were not streamed and he was already out of the group
NightEnd did not play Stephano at DreamHack. If Stephano 6 pooled someone. It was not NightEnd. It might have been Cloud who is Terran. NightEnd and Stephano were never in the same groups.
AFAIK Stephano has played NightEnd 4 times in tournaments and won all 4 times. They were Shoutcraft Invitational 4, Home Story Cup 4, ESWC 2011, and Intel Chllenge Super Cup 8. Maybe they have met in other tournaments, but all their tourney meetings so far that I have been able to find, have resulted in a Stephano victory. This alone should make him favourite in their games in this tournament. It is hardly controversial to state Stephano would be the bookies favourite to beat NightEnd. Upsets can happen though.
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On February 18 2012 03:49 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 21:09 Otolia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Group A - 12:00Group A seems rather straight-forward : one korean training in the US known for its TvP, a strong ukrainian terran and 2 protoss outsiders. However I don't think it will be that easy for PuMa, TiTaN is capable of beating and show good TvP and Kas is above him right now. Left alone is Welmu, not really a dark horse and a little bit outclassed by the rest of the tournament. Pass : Kas & Winner of TiTaN vs. PuMa Group B - 13:00Ah Stephano, the foreigner powerhouse, the devil child, the person on par with NaNiwa for the flak he gets from the community. Yeah, that Stephano and the rest of the group. It seems rather insulting from me to say that he is on another level then MaNa, Happy and NightEnd but there is little room to discussion. That said, his last two big tournaments were god-awful. Dreamhack was disappointing and in HSC 4 he was more interested in having fun with Bling than winning. I guess that's fine but the checks aren't going to the bank by themselves. If you remember well NightEnd beat him at the DH Winter, I don't think it will happen this time. MaNa will once again lose against Stephano and Happy won't be solid or innovative enough. After Stephano everything is possible .. MaNa is traditionnaly stronger than Happy and NightEnd but he seems to lose steam this days. Happy is little more than a solid player and he lacks the spark that will make him a tremendous terran. And NightEnd is somewhat of a darkhorse. Pass : Stephano & ???? (My bet on NightEnd) Group C - 14:00What is Moon capable of ? He is the same as in WC3 ? That will be his time to show us. His opposition while good isn't top tier and if he doesn't go 6-0 in his group, it will be a failure for a korean that known. ReaL is gimmicky but very ballsy, Brat_OK is a macro terran but lacking creativity and ClouD is creative but awfully tricky to play. ReaL doesn't have a good PvT so I will favor both EU terrans over him. ClouD is a uncanny TvTer and that will be his main advantage however he is not as solid as Brat_OK so he might lose to a protoss 2 base timing from ReaL. Pass : Moon & Brat_OK Group D - 15:00After a dissapointing performance in ESWC, sYz is back. He has been somewhat discreet lately so I'm wondering he if can get out of this group though he is a respectable mid-tier EU. Speaking of huge letdown, HerO shouldn't lose here. That said, the common excuses for his losses are his nerves so I don't know ... he might see too much finnish girls and lose his head ... After some thought that's the only excuse he will have if he doesn't pass. I love SeleCT, he is a serious player and a smart guy (a really smart guy) and I think he is above Seiplo and sYz, the former being also a mid-tier EU. Pass : HerO (jinx) & SeleCT Group E - 16:002 protoss, 2 terrans ? I can see where this is going. JYP should pass if he can win against White-Ra (which is not a given), he should win against DieStar because the polish terran has a horrible PvT on top of his nerves issues (not HerO-like though), Satiini (strongly reinforcing the argument I have with my finnish friends that finnish lacks creativity) should also lose. That leaves us with DieStar losing against White-Ra too and out, and Satiini as a wild-card. Because of karma, I'm going to bet on protosses, GSL is the thermometer of SC2 and Protosses have been doing great. Pass : JYP & White-Ra Group F - 17:00Did you watch the ESV Grand Prix ? If no, you are dumb because it was AWESOME. Props to them. So Taeja won, which while unsurprising proves that he isn't the last of SlayerS terrans. I'm going to be buyest and say this will be his international break-out. Elfi has a good PvP and Jinro is coming back and Adelscott really wants to stick with the french ideology of the Maginot line (except Germans always got around it - aren't they smart) of not-scouting. I can't foresee the results of Jinro vs. elfi so I'm going with elfi because his name is Samuli and if it's doesn't make you laugh then you are cold as ice. Pass: Taeja (6-0) & elfi Group G - 18:00Interesting group, perhaps the most interesting for me. Bly is an online beast but never did anything major. Bischu is a strong Protoss but inconsistent and Strelok isn't as strong as he was (though he is extra nice and considerate). Lucky had a good IPL3 and has proven to be a strong Code A (almost Code S). He should be the favorite here because he is korean but the others can take him with good odds. I'll go with Bischu this time. No special reasons, pure guts. Pass : Lucky & Bisch Group H - 19:00TLO is fun and has improce since his switch to Zerg but he is still only a mid-tier EU, PhoeNix isn't as good as his teammate ReaL and will struggle against Polt and BlinG. Polt should take this group easily even though he is having issues in Korea. So the obvious second finisher is BlinG. Pass : Polt & BlinG Great post. I agree with most of the choices; the only two changes, I would make, are: First I would chose TLO over Bling, maybe I am a bit biased here, because I am german, but recent events + Show Spoiler + made me think, he has really improved. Also I think, bly should win his group, if he doesn´t have nerve issues, he has one of the top ZvZ in Europe and top-european ZvZ (Dimaga 3-2, Stephano 8-0 against korean zergs offline) has a history of beating korean ZvZ.
Two players' records (including one series that happened months and months ago) is proof?
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