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Hope DRG's gonna take this, and I think there's a good chance. Jjakji hasn't been that impressive recently, I don't see DRG losing to Polt (who I'd guess is going to beat Puzzle [edit: not so sure about this now that I think about it]) and DRG is coming off a very convincing win against MKP. sC or Puzzle might come up from the lower bracket to the final, which could put a different spin on things, though.
On February 13 2012 05:33 Severian wrote: Hope DRG's gonna take this, and I think there's a good chance. Jjakji hasn't been that impressive recently, I don't see DRG losing to Polt (who I'd guess is going to beat Puzzle [edit: not so sure about this now that I think about it]) and DRG is coming off a very convincing win against MKP. sC or Puzzle might come up from the lower bracket to the final, which could put a different spin on things, though.
All of these replays are like a month old, so think about how well the players will do in that context.
On February 13 2012 05:49 opterown wrote: doubt the replays are a month old, i think some of the final matches were played in the last two days since they had to move it back and such
Really? If that's the case then Polt should lose badly.
OMG jjakji vs. DRG. Holy fuck bro. I don't really know how true this is but didn't DRG help jjakji prepare against Leenock in the GSL November 2011 Code A Finals?
On February 13 2012 15:09 Brootalbro wrote: OMG jjakji vs. DRG. Holy fuck bro. I don't really know how true this is but didn't DRG help jjakji prepare against Leenock in the GSL November 2011 Code A Finals?
On February 13 2012 17:09 Baffels wrote: Daybreak: Will be surprised if Puzzle doesn't try an immortal bust or 7 gate. Hope polt was feeling better when these games were played.
You can never count polt out regardless of how he is feeling though
On February 13 2012 17:09 Baffels wrote: Daybreak: Will be surprised if Puzzle doesn't try an immortal bust or 7 gate. Hope polt was feeling better when these games were played.
You can never count polt out regardless of how he is feeling though
Yeah but, even healthy holding this kind of play from a protoss is really hard. Oh well hopefully he has 4 more chances at it.
On February 13 2012 17:09 Baffels wrote: Daybreak: Will be surprised if Puzzle doesn't try an immortal bust or 7 gate. Hope polt was feeling better when these games were played.
You can never count polt out regardless of how he is feeling though
Yeah but, even healthy holding this kind of play from a protoss is really hard. Oh well hopefully he has 4 more chances at it.
Hahaha what was that puzzle? Jeez talk about hero 2 base play. Has nothing prepared after he fails to break Polts front door. So inspiring. Honestly, someone needs to talk to PartinG and plan for an extended game instead of using it as a fall back. I mean really I have seen his macro style, its just him and MC don't want to play an extended game and its really annoying. T_T
On February 13 2012 17:42 Fionn wrote: You have the best TvPer vs. best PvTer and best ZvTer vs. best TvZer and only 2,000 views. Great tournament.
I didn't realize Oz and MMA were playing today
You can't honestly still think Oz has the best PvT when he was the only Protoss to lose to a terran in the Ro16. Oh and MMA's TvZ has been solved + Show Spoiler +
On February 13 2012 17:42 Fionn wrote: You have the best TvPer vs. best PvTer and best ZvTer vs. best TvZer and only 2,000 views. Great tournament.
I didn't realize Oz and MMA were playing today
You can't honestly still think Oz has the best PvT when he was the only Protoss to lose to a terran in the Ro16. Oh and MMA's TvZ has been solved + Show Spoiler +
6 pool
haha it's tough to say who is best pvt. MC is looking really strong right now. Some people will go ahead and say Parting is the best especially after beating jjakji in 2 bo3. I just wanted to pick 2 players that werent playing to make a light joke.
nice game 5. Hoping for Polt to win because I think marineking will have an easier time advancing vs Puzzle than in a rematch with Polt who already 2-0d him
I wonder if Terrans are expanding way too conservatively vs a P turtling on 3 bases. Protoss are getting way too good at turtling to just kill them with pressure/drops/multi-attacks. Polt had complete mapcontrol for quite a while, but didn't take a 4th until he lost it. You could probably play it Zerg-style and just take a ton of bases everywhere
I would like to see a little bit of nerfs to Protoss efficenicy late game... their ability to instantly remax with a warp in of like 30 chargelots and high templars while producing triple robo collosus is disgusting..
On February 13 2012 18:20 Lann555 wrote: I wonder if Terrans are expanding way too conservatively vs a P turtling on 3 bases. Protoss are getting way too good at turtling to just kill them with pressure/drops/multi-attacks. Polt had complete mapcontrol for quite a while, but didn't take a 4th until he lost it. You could probably play it Zerg-style and just take a ton of bases everywhere
You are tempted to expand more vs this style of play but there is always the danger that if you overexpand, or do it earlier the toss can move out and kill you. Also, IMHO, Terran has to put pressure constantly cause at the end of the day, how much money you have in the bank doesn;t matter. If the toss has enough to remax just once after trading armies you are dead.
Now that is some sick macro PvT. Puzzle did work with those Templar, baiting ghosts at the right times and just coating the map with storms. His massive APM does wonders with those templar.
On February 13 2012 18:18 dragonborn wrote: Polt lose because his emp's was not good
still amazing game thought.
feedback pretty good spell. 1 HT for 4 ghosts good stuff.
What about EMP and Snipe? They can take out more than 4 HT. -.-
I really would like to see a cooldown on storm. Blanket storms is just way too strong..
Blanket storms comes from having lots of HTs, not from having no cooldown. Also, Puzzle kept his HTs alive and pooled energy - something that should be rewarded.
On February 13 2012 18:20 vthree wrote: the EMP nerf was too much, so hard to land good EMP compared to storms
EMP has the same radius as storm
yet not nearly as effective
They're perfectly effective if they hit, and hitting is merely a matter of radius.
"if they hit". collosus and zealots have something to say about that.
maybe we'll see some ghost in medivac play in the future haha.
I'd like to see mass PF in the middle with ghosts and nukes. So Terran can constantly nuke Protoss' expos while defensive nuking if they try to engage the PF.
On February 13 2012 18:20 vthree wrote: the EMP nerf was too much, so hard to land good EMP compared to storms
EMP has the same radius as storm
yet not nearly as effective
They're perfectly effective if they hit, and hitting is merely a matter of radius.
but the EMP needs to be on the HT's where the storms just need to hit the terran army. more room for error with storms
Storms don't even need to hit. Placing them in front of an advancing army is almost better as the terran has to stop and wait while the rest of the army catches up. Hell in that game Puzzle lost every engagement but, Polt couldn't finish it because he had storms just waiting to drop behind his retreating force. This allowed to him re-max and gain the advantage.
This is a clear weakness of marauder hellion - if you don't do damage you are left poorly prepared for fast mutalisks, and apparently forcing 6 spine crawlers isn't enough damage to justify it.
DRG was just spinning jjakji around his finger all game
Wow Jjakji looked horrible. DRG as always was a beast with his Mutas but Jjakji just did everything wrong. His turret timing was pretty much suicide right there, and then he just handed over free reign of everything over to DRG.
I agree it's been pretty even, but not in winning the GSL. It's like BW all over again. Winrates are fine and all, but last time a Protoss won a GSL tourney (highest level of play, no?) was in June.
On February 13 2012 18:42 Oboeman wrote: This is a clear weakness of marauder hellion - if you don't do damage you are left poorly prepared for fast mutalisks, and apparently forcing 6 spine crawlers isn't enough damage to justify it.
DRG was just spinning jjakji around his finger all game
I think it was fine, it's just that he didn't make any turrets on time.
If he did that marauder/hellion push, it would've been worse. There was no way he could've done damage to DRG at that time. (besides forcing spines)
lol,its so sad to see terran whine after protoss won a series.
lol, and protoss never whined about 1-1-1?
The fact is Terran dominating protoss since game released.
No it's not?
yes it is.
im not sure if i watched same GSL with you...
"My race was UP for a long time so now it deserves it's turn to be OP"
No. That isn't how it works.
So you say protoss is OP,thats why blizzard nerfing terran in new patches?
None of the changes will affect GSL TvP/PvT. Gold bases are already out of GSL and snipe was ridiculously rare. I guess the phoenix buff could maybe do something but I doubt it.
I agree it's been pretty even, but not in winning the GSL. It's like BW all over again. Winrates are fine and all, but last time a Protoss won a GSL tourney (highest level of play, no?) was in June.
I agree it's been pretty even, but not in winning the GSL. It's like BW all over again. Winrates are fine and all, but last time a Protoss won a GSL tourney (highest level of play, no?) was in June.
I think it was in May that MC won?
He's talking about when Puzzle won Code A. The last time protoss won Code S was GSL March.
I'm slightly ashamed I am participating in this off topic balance whine discussion.
I agree it's been pretty even, but not in winning the GSL. It's like BW all over again. Winrates are fine and all, but last time a Protoss won a GSL tourney (highest level of play, no?) was in June.
I agree it's been pretty even, but not in winning the GSL. It's like BW all over again. Winrates are fine and all, but last time a Protoss won a GSL tourney (highest level of play, no?) was in June.
I think it was in May that MC won?
He's talking about when Puzzle won Code A. The last time protoss won Code S was GSL March.
I'm slightly ashamed I am participating in this off topic balance whine discussion.
I don't really consider myself balance whining. But I would like a SOMEWHAT even distribution of GSL wins between races. At least more than 1 champion of a certain race for an entire year, that's all.
I agree it's been pretty even, but not in winning the GSL. It's like BW all over again. Winrates are fine and all, but last time a Protoss won a GSL tourney (highest level of play, no?) was in June.
I agree it's been pretty even, but not in winning the GSL. It's like BW all over again. Winrates are fine and all, but last time a Protoss won a GSL tourney (highest level of play, no?) was in June.
I agree it's been pretty even, but not in winning the GSL. It's like BW all over again. Winrates are fine and all, but last time a Protoss won a GSL tourney (highest level of play, no?) was in June.
I think it was in May that MC won?
He's talking about when Puzzle won Code A. The last time protoss won Code S was GSL March.
I'm slightly ashamed I am participating in this off topic balance whine discussion.
I don't really consider myself balance whining. But I would like a SOMEWHAT even distribution of GSL wins between races. At least more than 1 champion of a certain race for an entire year, that's all.
While that would be nice, there's only going to be 5 Code S tournament this year so that's impossible =p
I agree it's been pretty even, but not in winning the GSL. It's like BW all over again. Winrates are fine and all, but last time a Protoss won a GSL tourney (highest level of play, no?) was in June.
Actually, I think it was March with MC... But I think just looking at winners can be misleading because 1 or 2 dominate players can skew results. I think looking at Top 4 or 8 is probably slightly better. For the 2nd half of 2011, it was obvious Terran dominance. I think it had a lot to do with the 1-1-1 and early ghosts. With both of these not as effectively now, it shows there might be some issues with late game TvP. Maybe terrans need to innovate or maybe some changes are needed. Also realize the map pool and the gold mine nerf also made terrans weaker. There are more maps which are easier to hold 3 bases.
I agree it's been pretty even, but not in winning the GSL. It's like BW all over again. Winrates are fine and all, but last time a Protoss won a GSL tourney (highest level of play, no?) was in June.
I agree it's been pretty even, but not in winning the GSL. It's like BW all over again. Winrates are fine and all, but last time a Protoss won a GSL tourney (highest level of play, no?) was in June.
I think it was in May that MC won?
He's talking about when Puzzle won Code A. The last time protoss won Code S was GSL March.
I'm slightly ashamed I am participating in this off topic balance whine discussion.
I don't really consider myself balance whining. But I would like a SOMEWHAT even distribution of GSL wins between races. At least more than 1 champion of a certain race for an entire year, that's all.
While that would be nice, there's only going to be 5 Code S tournament this year so that's impossible =p
Well I'd be fine with 1 champ if it's 1/5, which is slightly better than 1/7.
I agree it's been pretty even, but not in winning the GSL. It's like BW all over again. Winrates are fine and all, but last time a Protoss won a GSL tourney (highest level of play, no?) was in June.
Actually, I think it was March with MC... But I think just looking at winners can be misleading because 1 or 2 dominate players can skew results. I think looking at Top 4 or 8 is probably slightly better. For the 2nd half of 2011, it was obvious Terran dominance. I think it had a lot to do with the 1-1-1 and early ghosts. With both of these not as effectively now, it shows there might be some issues with late game TvP. Maybe terrans need to innovate or maybe some changes are needed. Also realize the map pool and the gold mine nerf also made terrans weaker. There are more maps which are easier to hold 3 bases.
I'm talking about Puzzle winning code A, and really I only argued that because if I said march some raving Terran would point out that Puzzle won code A in June.
I think that counter was worth it. There was no way DRG's army could've beat the Terran's and that counter bought him enough time to get Infestors and Ultras out.
I continue my dislike of Ultralisks. I feel like more zergs should use them like how protoss uses collossi, once they tech to something to counter them (mauraders) switch to BLs or back to mutas or something.
On February 13 2012 19:03 Zdrastochye wrote: I continue my dislike of Ultralisks. I feel like more zergs should use them like how protoss uses collossi, once they tech to something to counter them (mauraders) switch to BLs or back to mutas or something.
On February 13 2012 19:03 Zdrastochye wrote: I continue my dislike of Ultralisks. I feel like more zergs should use them like how protoss uses collossi, once they tech to something to counter them (mauraders) switch to BLs or back to mutas or something.
why attack from one angle only with ultralisks? When you have 9 ultras you probably shouldn't have more than 3-4 in one spot every, so have a bunch of them come from the other side in a flank.
DRG was pretty far behind all game long after his first failed attack, but he still could have made more out of the ultralisk push.
Why does DRG keep A-moving his army into a fortified terran position backed by a PF?
Because if you can't break the middle on Antiga as Z, you will eventually lose anyways. Everything is funnel through there and you expansions will just get taken down since it is so hard to move your army without going through the middle
While the surprise Ultras were cute at first, they just will not do anything for you if you are attacking into a fortified Terran at a planetary. DRG was pretty screwed no matter what he did once he made Ultras there, no econ to successfully tech switch. >_<
On February 13 2012 19:04 Azzur wrote: Why does DRG keep A-moving his army into a fortified terran position backed by a PF?
That's the way zvt antigua works, if terran gets the center it's pretty much over for Z as terran can just sit back and take out one base after another.
On February 13 2012 19:04 Azzur wrote: Why does DRG keep A-moving his army into a fortified terran position backed by a PF?
That's the way zvt antigua works, if terran gets the center it's pretty much over for Z as terran can just sit back and take out one base after another.
No one ever drops the main base of the terran to spread him out first, before hitting the centre? That's a long way for units to run.
On February 13 2012 19:04 Azzur wrote: Why does DRG keep A-moving his army into a fortified terran position backed by a PF?
That's the way zvt antigua works, if terran gets the center it's pretty much over for Z as terran can just sit back and take out one base after another.
No one ever drops the main base of the terran to spread him out first, before hitting the centre? That's a long way for units to run.
Or flanking -> as in attacking from both sides migth help...
Almost every Terran seems to do some variation of that low ground 2 rax on bel'shir nowadays. Just seems unnecessarily risky to get such a late pool on the map with that in mind?
On February 13 2012 19:13 Asha` wrote: Almost every Terran seems to do some variation of that low ground 2 rax on bel'shir nowadays. Just seems unnecessarily risky to get such a late pool on the map with that in mind?
With zergs starting to 6 pool with some regularity, proxy 11/11 is quickly becoming a risky build!
On February 13 2012 19:03 Zdrastochye wrote: I continue my dislike of Ultralisks. I feel like more zergs should use them like how protoss uses collossi, once they tech to something to counter them (mauraders) switch to BLs or back to mutas or something.
that is the stupidest analogy ive ever heard.
Lol why? It's spot on.
because zergs used to do that. They would go broodlords then switch to ultras when terran got a ton of vikings. Then terrans realized that so they just started to use ghosts. they found out ghosts were way better and hardcounter both Brood lords and ultras... oh and they counter mutas aswell.
On February 13 2012 19:03 Zdrastochye wrote: I continue my dislike of Ultralisks. I feel like more zergs should use them like how protoss uses collossi, once they tech to something to counter them (mauraders) switch to BLs or back to mutas or something.
that is the stupidest analogy ive ever heard.
Lol why? It's spot on.
because zergs used to do that. They would go broodlords then switch to ultras when terran got a ton of vikings. Then terrans realized that so they just started to use ghosts. they found out ghosts were way better and hardcounter both Brood lords and ultras... oh and they counter mutas aswell.
And then zergs started using infestors and bringing queens for transfusion...
On February 13 2012 19:03 Zdrastochye wrote: I continue my dislike of Ultralisks. I feel like more zergs should use them like how protoss uses collossi, once they tech to something to counter them (mauraders) switch to BLs or back to mutas or something.
that is the stupidest analogy ive ever heard.
Lol why? It's spot on.
because zergs used to do that. They would go broodlords then switch to ultras when terran got a ton of vikings. Then terrans realized that so they just started to use ghosts. they found out ghosts were way better and hardcounter both Brood lords and ultras... oh and they counter mutas aswell.
And hey look, huge nerfs to ghosts in TvZ, so I guess I'm just ahead of the curve?
On February 13 2012 19:24 Lann555 wrote: Once again Jjaki will lose because he is too cheap to build turrets. Don't really get it, since DRG almost always plays very heavy muta-style
Jjakji lost not because of the mutas but because DRG's early 2-base muta was good against Jjakji's build.
On February 13 2012 19:24 Lann555 wrote: Once again Jjaki will lose because he is too cheap to build turrets. Don't really get it, since DRG almost always plays very heavy muta-style
DRG doesn't almost always play heavy muta style.He have been mixing up with infestors+lings or roaches+ lings+banes drop. He used to play heavy muta but not so much.he have shown more diversity.
On February 13 2012 19:03 Zdrastochye wrote: I continue my dislike of Ultralisks. I feel like more zergs should use them like how protoss uses collossi, once they tech to something to counter them (mauraders) switch to BLs or back to mutas or something.
that is the stupidest analogy ive ever heard.
Lol why? It's spot on.
because zergs used to do that. They would go broodlords then switch to ultras when terran got a ton of vikings. Then terrans realized that so they just started to use ghosts. they found out ghosts were way better and hardcounter both Brood lords and ultras... oh and they counter mutas aswell.
And hey look, huge nerfs to ghosts in TvZ, so I guess I'm just ahead of the curve?
ok so your using my argument of ghosts countering both bl's and ultras as a part of yours? you dont make any sense.
On February 13 2012 19:03 Zdrastochye wrote: I continue my dislike of Ultralisks. I feel like more zergs should use them like how protoss uses collossi, once they tech to something to counter them (mauraders) switch to BLs or back to mutas or something.
that is the stupidest analogy ive ever heard.
Lol why? It's spot on.
because zergs used to do that. They would go broodlords then switch to ultras when terran got a ton of vikings. Then terrans realized that so they just started to use ghosts. they found out ghosts were way better and hardcounter both Brood lords and ultras... oh and they counter mutas aswell.
And hey look, huge nerfs to ghosts in TvZ, so I guess I'm just ahead of the curve?
ok so your using my argument of ghosts countering both bl's and ultras as a part of yours? you dont make any sense.
Ghosts do very well against both of them, I wouldn't lie to you and say they don't, but I will still stand behind my statement after the next patch, will you?
And I said switch so that they can be countered. If they get mass ghost then don't keep making BLs and ultras?
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
I think Parting might be as good as Jjakji. Puzzle is good vs T, but not fantastic against Z - what's wrong with having a good MU?
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
But his PvZ really isn't anything that great, thus keeping him from being one of those great players.
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011.
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011.
Puzzle won Code A and was in the quarterfinals last season.
No Protoss in 2011 even made a GSL final except for MC and Inca. Puzzle is easily a top five Protoss and is right there with MC, Parting, Oz and Genius.
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011.
won a GSL code A and played round of 8 in last GSL.
This make you top 3 protoss since MC is only protoss/GSL champion...
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
Eh Puzzle isn't top 3 Toss but you should just ignore that guy. I have seen his posts before, he is just a troll/balance whiner.
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011.
He won Code A in 2011 and got two all-kills in the ZOTAC team invitational.
And Puzzle being far from Top 3? Ridiculous. Top 3, no. Far from it, no. MC, Oz, Genius, PartinG...who else is there?
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011.
Puzzle won Code A and was in the quarterfinals last season.
No Protoss in 2011 even made a GSL final except for MC and Inca. Puzzle is easily a top five Protoss and is right there with MC, Parting, Oz and Genius.
How can you call Genius top 5? Sure when he's hot he's hot, but he slumped for an entire year before returning to form? Far too inconsistent. I'd say HerO would take a "top 5" spot over Genius.
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011.
Puzzle won Code A and was in the quarterfinals last season.
No Protoss in 2011 even made a GSL final except for MC and Inca. Puzzle is easily a top five Protoss and is right there with MC, Parting, Oz and Genius.
Agreed. People shouldn't delude themselves into implied balance whining by stating the skill level of the Protoss players that beat strong Terrans as being lower than it actually is. Puzzle is a very strong, albeit, inconsistent player. In fact, I'd say that MC, Parting, Oz, Genius, and Puzzle is a perfect list of top 5 Protoss right now. No surprise that they can beat top Terrans since they are also top players.
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011.
To be fair, he won Code A and he's doing really well in code S currently.
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011.
He won Code A in 2011 and got two all-kills in the ZOTAC team invitational.
And Puzzle being far from Top 3? Ridiculous. Top 3, no. Far from it, no. MC, Oz, Genius, PartinG...who else is there?
I'm not disagreeing but Puzzle doesn't seem to play very well in macro games. He's riding on the protoss metagame and doing constant all ins. I dunno I feel like he's a very weak player and will fall out to Code A next season unless he really changes it up.
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011.
He won Code A in 2011 and got two all-kills in the ZOTAC team invitational.
And Puzzle being far from Top 3? Ridiculous. Top 3, no. Far from it, no. MC, Oz, Genius, PartinG...who else is there?
I'm not disagreeing but Puzzle doesn't seem to play very well in macro games. He's riding on the protoss metagame and doing constant all ins. I dunno I feel like he's a very weak player and will fall out to Code A next season unless he really changes it up.
did you see Polt vs Puzzle @taldarim altar?
Puzzle have strong macro and game sense.Also SuperNoVa vs Puzzle @DayBreak,one of the best unit control i've ever seen.
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011.
Puzzle won Code A and was in the quarterfinals last season.
No Protoss in 2011 even made a GSL final except for MC and Inca. Puzzle is easily a top five Protoss and is right there with MC, Parting, Oz and Genius.
How can you call Genius top 5? Sure when he's hot he's hot, but he slumped for an entire year before returning to form? Far too inconsistent. I'd say HerO would take a "top 5" spot over Genius.
Strongly disagree. HerO has yet to even do well in Code A while Genius currently has a hitlist that includes DRG, Nestea, MKP, and sC. That is a damn impressive hitlist. Genius clearly has shown through some amazing decisionmaking and calm play that he has great control of his nerves in the both, something that HerO has clearly lacked. Don't get me wrong - I like HerO and he's an amazing player when his nerves aren't killing him. He's capable of hanging with the best when he's playing his best. But Genius has shown the mental strength to excel in Code S, while HerO flounders in Code A. HerO has a ways to go in terms of mental toughness before he's ready to tackle the GSL.
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011.
Puzzle won Code A and was in the quarterfinals last season.
No Protoss in 2011 even made a GSL final except for MC and Inca. Puzzle is easily a top five Protoss and is right there with MC, Parting, Oz and Genius.
How can you call Genius top 5? Sure when he's hot he's hot, but he slumped for an entire year before returning to form? Far too inconsistent. I'd say HerO would take a "top 5" spot over Genius.
Strongly disagree. HerO has yet to even do well in Code A while Genius currently has a hitlist that includes DRG, Nestea, MKP, and sC. That is a damn impressive hitlist. Genius clearly has shown through some amazing decisionmaking and calm play that he has great control of his nerves in the both, something that HerO has clearly lacked. Don't get me wrong - I like HerO and he's an amazing player when his nerves aren't killing him. He's capable of hanging with the best when he's playing his best. But Genius has shown the mental strength to excel in Code S, while HerO flounders in Code A. HerO has a ways to go in terms of mental toughness before he's ready to tackle the GSL.
Alright then I counter your Genius argument with Naniwa. Yet another struggling code A, but has beat all those you mentioned before (not sure about sC) AND has beaten MVP. Or even Huk. I'm not calling Genius bad, but I reallllly don't think he's deserving of top 5 unless you only highlight his play in 1 month out of like 15.
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011.
He won Code A in 2011 and got two all-kills in the ZOTAC team invitational.
And Puzzle being far from Top 3? Ridiculous. Top 3, no. Far from it, no. MC, Oz, Genius, PartinG...who else is there?
I'm not disagreeing but Puzzle doesn't seem to play very well in macro games. He's riding on the protoss metagame and doing constant all ins. I dunno I feel like he's a very weak player and will fall out to Code A next season unless he really changes it up.
I do think that Puzzle can be rather cheesy and really enjoys his all-ins. But he's won a Code A and has gotten deep in the GSL in the past, while he's currently in the Ro8 fresh off of 2-0ing his Ro16 group, so while you may not like his style of play, there's no denying that it's effective. His epic 5th game against Polt also showed that he's perfectly capable of strong macro games. He's getting stomped by DRG right now, but hey, DRG is the best Zerg in the world at the moment, no shame in losing to such a great player
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011.
Puzzle won Code A and was in the quarterfinals last season.
No Protoss in 2011 even made a GSL final except for MC and Inca. Puzzle is easily a top five Protoss and is right there with MC, Parting, Oz and Genius.
How can you call Genius top 5? Sure when he's hot he's hot, but he slumped for an entire year before returning to form? Far too inconsistent. I'd say HerO would take a "top 5" spot over Genius.
Alright then I counter your Genius argument with Naniwa. Yet another struggling code A, but has beat all those you mentioned before (not sure about sC) AND has beaten MVP. Or even Huk. I'm not calling Genius bad, but I reallllly don't think he's deserving of top 5 unless you only highlight his play in 1 month out of like 15.
Currently based on recent performance,Genius would definitely take the top 5.Hero is barely Code A and he did not even qualify out of his group at IEM Kiev.His performance recently is not being good whereas Genius is performing well in the GSL Code S. Strongly disagree. HerO has yet to even do well in Code A while Genius currently has a hitlist that includes DRG, Nestea, MKP, and sC. That is a damn impressive hitlist. Genius clearly has shown through some amazing decisionmaking and calm play that he has great control of his nerves in the both, something that HerO has clearly lacked. Don't get me wrong - I like HerO and he's an amazing player when his nerves aren't killing him. He's capable of hanging with the best when he's playing his best. But Genius has shown the mental strength to excel in Code S, while HerO flounders in Code A. HerO has a ways to go in terms of mental toughness before he's ready to tackle the GSL.
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011.
Puzzle won Code A and was in the quarterfinals last season.
No Protoss in 2011 even made a GSL final except for MC and Inca. Puzzle is easily a top five Protoss and is right there with MC, Parting, Oz and Genius.
How can you call Genius top 5? Sure when he's hot he's hot, but he slumped for an entire year before returning to form? Far too inconsistent. I'd say HerO would take a "top 5" spot over Genius.
Alright then I counter your Genius argument with Naniwa. Yet another struggling code A, but has beat all those you mentioned before (not sure about sC) AND has beaten MVP. Or even Huk. I'm not calling Genius bad, but I reallllly don't think he's deserving of top 5 unless you only highlight his play in 1 month out of like 15.
Currently based on recent performance,Genius would definitely take the top 5.Hero is barely Code A and he did not even qualify out of his group at IEM Kiev.His performance recently is not being good whereas Genius is performing well in the GSL Code S. Strongly disagree. HerO has yet to even do well in Code A while Genius currently has a hitlist that includes DRG, Nestea, MKP, and sC. That is a damn impressive hitlist. Genius clearly has shown through some amazing decisionmaking and calm play that he has great control of his nerves in the both, something that HerO has clearly lacked. Don't get me wrong - I like HerO and he's an amazing player when his nerves aren't killing him. He's capable of hanging with the best when he's playing his best. But Genius has shown the mental strength to excel in Code S, while HerO flounders in Code A. HerO has a ways to go in terms of mental toughness before he's ready to tackle the GSL.
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011.
Puzzle won Code A and was in the quarterfinals last season.
No Protoss in 2011 even made a GSL final except for MC and Inca. Puzzle is easily a top five Protoss and is right there with MC, Parting, Oz and Genius.
How can you call Genius top 5? Sure when he's hot he's hot, but he slumped for an entire year before returning to form? Far too inconsistent. I'd say HerO would take a "top 5" spot over Genius.
Demolished nerds last team league, most feared player in group selections.
HerO has no results in Korea and is even more inconsistent than Genius. You see, when you talk about who's top X, you have to actually have facts and not just "well, I like him more".
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011.
Puzzle won Code A and was in the quarterfinals last season.
No Protoss in 2011 even made a GSL final except for MC and Inca. Puzzle is easily a top five Protoss and is right there with MC, Parting, Oz and Genius.
How can you call Genius top 5? Sure when he's hot he's hot, but he slumped for an entire year before returning to form? Far too inconsistent. I'd say HerO would take a "top 5" spot over Genius.
Strongly disagree. HerO has yet to even do well in Code A while Genius currently has a hitlist that includes DRG, Nestea, MKP, and sC. That is a damn impressive hitlist. Genius clearly has shown through some amazing decisionmaking and calm play that he has great control of his nerves in the both, something that HerO has clearly lacked. Don't get me wrong - I like HerO and he's an amazing player when his nerves aren't killing him. He's capable of hanging with the best when he's playing his best. But Genius has shown the mental strength to excel in Code S, while HerO flounders in Code A. HerO has a ways to go in terms of mental toughness before he's ready to tackle the GSL.
Alright then I counter your Genius argument with Naniwa. Yet another struggling code A, but has beat all those you mentioned before (not sure about sC) AND has beaten MVP. Or even Huk. I'm not calling Genius bad, but I reallllly don't think he's deserving of top 5 unless you only highlight his play in 1 month out of like 15.
The part about struggling with Code A is the important part. Don't forget that he started showing great play before Code S even began - he 4-0'd his Up/Down group to get into Code S. Top Koreans clearly value Code S the most out of any other tournament in the world, and thus I find that it's best to use GSL results to judge players, with other tournaments being secondary. Still relevant - but secondary. Play in the GSL is the pinnacle of preparation and practice. I guarantee you that when Naniwa beat MVP and Nestea and MLG, MVP and Nestea were miles less prepared than when they play in the GSL.
I can see your point, and I think it all comes down to us valuing different things. If you want to weight non-GSL achievements as much as GSL achievements, then fine, you can make arguments for why perhaps Naniwa or HerO is a top 5 Protoss right now, but I feel that since GSL is the most prestigious, most sought, highest-level tournament in the world, results from that matter the most. That's why we've been calling Nestea the best Zerg in the world for most of last year - his GSL results have been great, despite performing pretty badly in foreign tournaments.
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011.
Puzzle won Code A and was in the quarterfinals last season.
No Protoss in 2011 even made a GSL final except for MC and Inca. Puzzle is easily a top five Protoss and is right there with MC, Parting, Oz and Genius.
How can you call Genius top 5? Sure when he's hot he's hot, but he slumped for an entire year before returning to form? Far too inconsistent. I'd say HerO would take a "top 5" spot over Genius.
Demolished nerds last team league, most feared player in group selections.
HerO has no results in Korea and is even more inconsistent than Genius. You see, when you talk about who's top X, you have to actually have facts and not just "well, I like him more".
I liked puzzle in the past because he has the best forcefields (yes, even better than mc's). But after seeing his games over the past year, i find he's similar to MC, good micro and decision making in engagements but questionable decisions in terms of the overall game. I feel these type of players can easily get near 60% win rate, but to win gsls, they need some luck and good pre-game preparations. Parting is definitely the toss to watch in the future even if he doesn't do well in this gsl.
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011.
Puzzle won Code A and was in the quarterfinals last season.
No Protoss in 2011 even made a GSL final except for MC and Inca. Puzzle is easily a top five Protoss and is right there with MC, Parting, Oz and Genius.
How can you call Genius top 5? Sure when he's hot he's hot, but he slumped for an entire year before returning to form? Far too inconsistent. I'd say HerO would take a "top 5" spot over Genius.
Strongly disagree. HerO has yet to even do well in Code A while Genius currently has a hitlist that includes DRG, Nestea, MKP, and sC. That is a damn impressive hitlist. Genius clearly has shown through some amazing decisionmaking and calm play that he has great control of his nerves in the both, something that HerO has clearly lacked. Don't get me wrong - I like HerO and he's an amazing player when his nerves aren't killing him. He's capable of hanging with the best when he's playing his best. But Genius has shown the mental strength to excel in Code S, while HerO flounders in Code A. HerO has a ways to go in terms of mental toughness before he's ready to tackle the GSL.
Alright then I counter your Genius argument with Naniwa. Yet another struggling code A, but has beat all those you mentioned before (not sure about sC) AND has beaten MVP. Or even Huk. I'm not calling Genius bad, but I reallllly don't think he's deserving of top 5 unless you only highlight his play in 1 month out of like 15.
The part about struggling with Code A is the important part. Don't forget that he started showing great play before this tournament even began - he 4-0'd his Up/Down group to get into Code S. Top Koreans clearly value Code S the most out of any other tournament in the world, and thus I find that it's best to use GSL results to judge players, with other tournaments being secondary. Still relevant - but secondary. Play in the GSL is the pinnacle of preparation and practice. I guarantee you that when Naniwa beat MVP and Nestea and MLG, MVP and Nestea were miles less prepared than when they play in the GSL.
I can see your point, and I think it all comes down to us valuing different things. If you want to weight non-GSL achievements as much as GSL achievements, then fine, you can make arguments for why perhaps Naniwa or HerO is a top 5 Protoss right now, but I feel that since GSL is the most prestigious, most sought, highest-level tournament in the world, results from that matter the most. That's why we've been calling Nestea the best Zerg in the world for most of last year - his GSL results have been great, despite performing pretty badly in foreign tournaments.
To be fair, I'm only valuing non-GSL performances because that's the only place where someone who's struggling in code A will ever play an MVP, or a DRG, etc. I don't really care about foreigners beating foreigners, but if you beat a top Korean at an offline event, I think it's noteworthy.
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011.
won a GSL code A and played round of 8 in last GSL.
This make you top 3 protoss since MC is only protoss/GSL champion...
and yet again he is in round of 8 GSL.
agreed, top 3 Toss right now
1) SK.MC 2) PartinG 3) Puzzle / Genius
others like HuK or Naniwa have felt behind way too much to be considered top tier material, also Oz hasnt impressed much since GSL November.
On February 13 2012 19:39 VoirDire wrote: If JJ just built his aggressive bunker earlier he would've won. Anyway, we get to see DRG vs puzzle now :D
I am fine with DRG beating these top terrans, he as good as them, what I am not fine with is puzzle/parting beating jjakji/mvp, good thing I don't get to see this baffling scenario.
Are you kidding me?
Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players.
Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011.
won a GSL code A and played round of 8 in last GSL.
This make you top 3 protoss since MC is only protoss/GSL champion...
and yet again he is in round of 8 GSL.
agreed, top 3 Toss right now
1) SK.MC 2) PartinG 3) Puzzle / Genius
others like HuK or Naniwa have felt behind way too much to be considered top tier material, also Oz hasnt impressed much since GSL November.
PartinG is still need to prove himself.Puzzle played back to back round of 8 in GSL.
On February 13 2012 20:14 Zdrastochye wrote: I'm fine with that. I'm just really against Genius as being a top 5 protoss. If he actually is top 5, then there are only 4 good protoss in the world.
I dunno. I feel like playing amazing Starcraft consistently for a month straight is enough to prove yourself, and that's really what Genius has done. 4-0'd his Up/Down group, and proceeded to beat strong Terrans like MKP and sC, along with the 2 best Zergs in the world, not to mention he was picked last in the group stages, which says a lot about how the other Korean players perceive him. But I've made my case as well as I can, if you have a different standard for evaluating deservingness of top-5 status then that's fine.
On February 13 2012 20:14 Zdrastochye wrote: I'm fine with that. I'm just really against Genius as being a top 5 protoss. If he actually is top 5, then there are only 4 good protoss in the world.
I dunno. I feel like playing amazing Starcraft consistently for a month straight is enough to prove yourself, and that's really what Genius has done. 4-0'd his Up/Down group, and proceeded to beat strong Terrans like MKP and sC, along with the 2 best Zergs in the world, not to mention he was picked last in the group stages, which says a lot about how the other Korean players perceive him. But I've made my case as well as I can, if you have a different standard for evaluating deservingness of top-5 status then that's fine.
Yeah that's fine, agree to disagree. My standards are that if you haven't won a single tournament since Oct of 2010, you're not a top 5 anything.
Zdrastochye, you do realize that if there was only one mayor event and you would be consistently in the top 5 you wouldn't have to win it EVER to be in the top 5? You just have to be at least fifth all the time.
If we will decide the mayor event is GSL then as long as you have only 4 better tosses you are in the top 5.
On February 13 2012 20:14 Zdrastochye wrote: I'm fine with that. I'm just really against Genius as being a top 5 protoss. If he actually is top 5, then there are only 4 good protoss in the world.
I dunno. I feel like playing amazing Starcraft consistently for a month straight is enough to prove yourself, and that's really what Genius has done. 4-0'd his Up/Down group, and proceeded to beat strong Terrans like MKP and sC, along with the 2 best Zergs in the world, not to mention he was picked last in the group stages, which says a lot about how the other Korean players perceive him. But I've made my case as well as I can, if you have a different standard for evaluating deservingness of top-5 status then that's fine.
Yeah that's fine, agree to disagree. My standards are that if you haven't won a single tournament since Oct of 2010, you're not a top 5 anything.
Then there is no point debating any further.Is Parting your top 5?
On February 13 2012 20:14 Zdrastochye wrote: I'm fine with that. I'm just really against Genius as being a top 5 protoss. If he actually is top 5, then there are only 4 good protoss in the world.
I dunno. I feel like playing amazing Starcraft consistently for a month straight is enough to prove yourself, and that's really what Genius has done. 4-0'd his Up/Down group, and proceeded to beat strong Terrans like MKP and sC, along with the 2 best Zergs in the world, not to mention he was picked last in the group stages, which says a lot about how the other Korean players perceive him. But I've made my case as well as I can, if you have a different standard for evaluating deservingness of top-5 status then that's fine.
Yeah that's fine, agree to disagree. My standards are that if you haven't won a single tournament since Oct of 2010, you're not a top 5 anything.
Then there is no point debating any further.Is Parting your top 5?
I feel like by those standards, top 5 consists of MC and Huk
On February 13 2012 20:14 Zdrastochye wrote: I'm fine with that. I'm just really against Genius as being a top 5 protoss. If he actually is top 5, then there are only 4 good protoss in the world.
I dunno. I feel like playing amazing Starcraft consistently for a month straight is enough to prove yourself, and that's really what Genius has done. 4-0'd his Up/Down group, and proceeded to beat strong Terrans like MKP and sC, along with the 2 best Zergs in the world, not to mention he was picked last in the group stages, which says a lot about how the other Korean players perceive him. But I've made my case as well as I can, if you have a different standard for evaluating deservingness of top-5 status then that's fine.
Yeah that's fine, agree to disagree. My standards are that if you haven't won a single tournament since Oct of 2010, you're not a top 5 anything.
Then there is no point debating any further.Is Parting your top 5?
I feel like by those standards, top 5 consists of MC and Huk
marineking is top 5 toss. he beat mma in that showmatch :D
On February 13 2012 20:14 Zdrastochye wrote: I'm fine with that. I'm just really against Genius as being a top 5 protoss. If he actually is top 5, then there are only 4 good protoss in the world.
I dunno. I feel like playing amazing Starcraft consistently for a month straight is enough to prove yourself, and that's really what Genius has done. 4-0'd his Up/Down group, and proceeded to beat strong Terrans like MKP and sC, along with the 2 best Zergs in the world, not to mention he was picked last in the group stages, which says a lot about how the other Korean players perceive him. But I've made my case as well as I can, if you have a different standard for evaluating deservingness of top-5 status then that's fine.
Yeah that's fine, agree to disagree. My standards are that if you haven't won a single tournament since Oct of 2010, you're not a top 5 anything.
Then there is no point debating any further.Is Parting your top 5?
I feel like by those standards, top 5 consists of MC and Huk
Puzzle and HerO (Code A and Dreamhack) too, I guess.
On February 13 2012 20:24 Zdrastochye wrote: My standards are that if you haven't won a single tournament since Oct of 2010, you're not a top 5 anything.
Top 5 players who have not won a single tournament since October 2010?
I think there is an error for the match Puzzle vs DRG, Puzzle actually won one game on Antiga Shipyard (so he finally lost 3-1, 4-0 is not possible on a BO5).
On February 13 2012 20:43 WigglingSquid wrote: Jjakji proxied barracks, factory, starport and the LR is filled with Top X protoss babbling? Please. -__-
Harder for SC to land a scan and see everything :p... was definitely lolworthy placement
On February 13 2012 20:42 Severian wrote: 75.5% winrate (37-12) for DRG in 2012 so far. Lost a Bo3 to Genius and a Bo1 to Creator. Won everything else.
Er... a Bo3 loss and a Bo1 loss doesn't add up to 12 losses?
On February 13 2012 20:42 Severian wrote: 75.5% winrate (37-12) for DRG in 2012 so far. Lost a Bo3 to Genius and a Bo1 to Creator. Won everything else.
Er... a Bo3 loss and a Bo1 loss doesn't add up to 12 losses?
He's only lost a bo3 and a bo1 as series. He's won the rest but dropped a few maps along the way.
On February 13 2012 20:43 samurai80 wrote: I think there is an error for the match Puzzle vs DRG, Puzzle actually won one game on Antiga Shipyard (so he finally lost 3-1, 4-0 is not possible on a BO5).
On February 13 2012 20:43 samurai80 wrote: I think there is an error for the match Puzzle vs DRG, Puzzle actually won one game on Antiga Shipyard (so he finally lost 3-1, 4-0 is not possible on a BO5).
Woops, thanks.
Also, shouldn't the opening post say for grand finals, Winner of Set 3 vs Winner of Set 7 instead of Set 5 vs Set 7? And for set 7, I think it is supposed to be loser of set 3 vs winner of set 6? Although now that I'm staring at it it looks very confusing haha
Jjakji's clearly been working on his TvT. Too bad that nobody knows how to play TvP past the 15 minute mark anymore. =P Edit: not a balance whine, just stating that it must have been frustrating for him to fall to Protoss players in the RO16, rather than his old weakness.
On February 13 2012 21:06 WigglingSquid wrote: Jjakji's clearly been working on his TvT. Too bad that nobody knows how to play TvP past the 15 minute mark anymore. =P
aLive doing fairly good in TvP, though his TvT and TvZ are even more exceptional.
Most top Terrans seem to struggle against Protoss, there are maybe only 2-3 who can compete with the Top Protoss players.
Jjakji's pretty good at TvT for someone who's not supposed to be =)
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really loved Polt's 1 marine in a bunker at the bottom of his ramp, perfect way to nullify the areas that mkp's build could really pressure. Just not enough marines after the reaper opening to deal with the banshee effectively.
man hellion marauder is such a smart decision on this map against what polt usually opens with, totally metagaming him here, hope for a good game though, I don't think this will straight up kill polt if he micros well
edit: polts sees no scvs, saw the double hellions at a gas first timing earlier, and clumps his marines and doesn't pull his scvs?
On February 13 2012 21:36 Badfatpanda wrote: man hellion marauder is such a smart decision on this map against what polt usually opens with, totally metagaming him here, hope for a good game though, I don't think this will straight up kill polt if he micros well
edit: polts sees no scvs, saw the double hellions at a gas first timing earlier, and clumps his marines and doesn't pull his scvs?
Wow, look at that. TWO unit names with more than 5 letters, you're improving. :D
I wonder if after these games Polt knows how it feels to play against himself? Lol, MKPs TvT is all about these timing attacks.
On February 13 2012 21:51 Ketch wrote: Funny thing is, Polt beat Marineking 2-0 in the upper bracket, but loses 2-0 in the lower bracket... Marineking vs Jjakji now!
On February 13 2012 21:51 Ketch wrote: Funny thing is, Polt beat Marineking 2-0 in the upper bracket, but loses 2-0 in the lower bracket... Marineking vs Jjakji now!
90 sec commercial breaks with twitch aren't really working out in germany at least as i saw the same freaking commercial for the 114th time today and it's annoying the crap out of me :D
On February 13 2012 21:51 Ketch wrote: Funny thing is, Polt beat Marineking 2-0 in the upper bracket, but loses 2-0 in the lower bracket... Marineking vs Jjakji now!
lost 3-0 in lower
This game was probably played while Polt was sick
Marineking also has been playing really good TvT lately
I have a feeling MarineKing's TvT has skyrocketed at the expense of his TvZ... he's taken out a lot of good terrans lately (alive, theSTC, supernova, polt, etc) but fallen to quite a few zergs (losira, DRG). hmmm.
On February 13 2012 22:10 opterown wrote: I have a feeling MarineKing's TvT has skyrocketed at the expense of his TvZ... he's taken out a lot of good terrans lately (alive, theSTC, supernova, polt, etc) but fallen to quite a few zergs (losira, DRG). hmmm.
losira and drg have always been pretty good against him iirc except that one aol. he still 2-0d leenock in this tourney
When MKP/Polt played the first time, it was marine-tank and Polt was better at marine-tank. In this series, MarineKing just meta-fucking-gamed Polt to hell.
On February 13 2012 22:10 opterown wrote: I have a feeling MarineKing's TvT has skyrocketed at the expense of his TvZ... he's taken out a lot of good terrans lately (alive, theSTC, supernova, polt, etc) but fallen to quite a few zergs (losira, DRG). hmmm.
losira and drg have always been pretty good against him iirc except that one aol. he still 2-0d leenock in this tourney
MKP also dropped a lot of maps during the KSL open, and lost to violet and delphi in HSC DRG and MVP are like MKP's bane right now haha. Pity he couldn't make it out of his group - if Parting could take out DRG, MKP would've had a solid chance to take the GSL
On February 13 2012 22:10 opterown wrote: I have a feeling MarineKing's TvT has skyrocketed at the expense of his TvZ... he's taken out a lot of good terrans lately (alive, theSTC, supernova, polt, etc) but fallen to quite a few zergs (losira, DRG). hmmm.
losira and drg have always been pretty good against him iirc except that one aol. he still 2-0d leenock in this tourney
MKP also dropped a lot of maps during the KSL open, and lost to violet and delphi in HSC DRG and MVP are like MKP's bane right now haha. Pity he couldn't make it out of his group - if Parting could take out DRG, MKP would've had a solid chance to take the GSL
the delphi games were a result of greed, but yea he definitely isnt as dominant vZ. Everyone's tvp has been down except mma because it was hard to go down from 40% win rate so winning half his games is still an improvement lol
That was so nice by Jjakji, pulling back the bulk of his marines and just letting a small squad hit the CC so mkp came over to defend and then barreling in with everything.
marineking shouldnt have gone to the third. if he had chilled for like 5 sec for siege he could have deflected the push >.> we are back to old marineking tvt
On February 13 2012 22:21 Shellshock1122 wrote: marineking shouldnt have gone to the third. if he had chilled for like 5 sec for siege he could have deflected the push >.> we are back to old marineking tvt
No, Jjakji was very smart and only revealed about 8 marines at the building 3rd of MKP. Once MKP sent his army down to deflect it he stimmed in with all his marines.
On February 13 2012 22:21 Shellshock1122 wrote: marineking shouldnt have gone to the third. if he had chilled for like 5 sec for siege he could have deflected the push >.> we are back to old marineking tvt
No, Jjakji was very smart and only revealed about 8 marines at the building 3rd of MKP. Once MKP sent his army down to deflect it he stimmed in with all his marines.
ye i didnt think about it until after i read asha's post
On February 13 2012 22:21 Shellshock1122 wrote: marineking shouldnt have gone to the third. if he had chilled for like 5 sec for siege he could have deflected the push >.> we are back to old marineking tvt
No, Jjakji was very smart and only revealed about 8 marines at the building 3rd of MKP. Once MKP sent his army down to deflect it he stimmed in with all his marines.
ye i didnt think about it until after i read asha's post
And this is how you play TvP nowadays... take advantage of Terran's earlygame strengths, and make sure Protoss doesn't reach lategame mass splash units.
On February 13 2012 23:07 SeaSwift wrote: And this is how you play TvP nowadays... take advantage of Terran's earlygame strengths, and make sure Protoss doesn't reach lategame mass splash units.
On February 13 2012 23:08 Heimatloser wrote: gsl should introduce a lower bracket, thats where mkp plays at his best. he would become second way more often;-)
On February 13 2012 23:07 SeaSwift wrote: And this is how you play TvP nowadays... take advantage of Terran's earlygame strengths, and make sure Protoss doesn't reach lategame mass splash units.
"Q: Do you see any possibility of you winning the competition? A: I think I have a better chance than I did last season. Hopefully, all the remaining Zergs in the competition are eliminated. Then after that, all the Terrans should be eliminated. Oh, with the exception of MarineKing.
(T/N from the Chinese translation: What Puzzle means is that he wants MC and Parting to advance from Group C, and Genius and MarineKing to advance from Group D, because he isn't afraid of MarineKing.)"
These tournaments look so different than GSL. I guess Marineking, with his high ladder ranking is better used to this mass gaming, than some of his opponents.....
On February 13 2012 23:20 Ketch wrote: These tournaments look so different than GSL. I guess Marineking, with his high ladder ranking is better used to this mass gaming, than some of his opponents.....
tbh, in my point of view the fact that you have one week to prepare a match in GSL is really bad. I mean in sc2 where metagame, bo lose and all these tricks matter so much, skill is relegated to a second plan.
While in this kind of tournament, games are more standard and overall better. But in the end this is my opinion.
MKP hit his plateau last month again, and he's now in his descent to hell mode. See ya in 4 months again, MKP. His problem is that at his plateau he can destroy anyone, then he becomes cocky and do dumb stuff, and he loses. I really hoped this time the vicious circle would not repeat.
It's hard to see how MKP is going to turn this around. DRG could basically all in every game and be pretty sure to win at least one game and he's got a larger chance by just playing standard.
On February 13 2012 23:33 Nouar wrote: A one map advantage in a bo7 feels light to me, for the wb winner... Anyway, i hope for good games !!! Gogo drg
It's a joke. 2 x Bo5 is what would be "even". This basically equates to a 3 game lead.
Hoe does this equate to a 3 game lead >_>
marineking getting owned so far.
Actually, in a lot of other sports they do this winners/losers bracket differently. In my sport (beachvolleybal), they put the highest 2 of the wb and the highest two of the lb in the semifinals, and complete the tournament from there.... so there is no advantage at all for wb's. Just saying that happens as well...
Ok so, If anyone is wondering I will be emailing all winners tomorrow, maybe the next day due to valentines day (chances of being allowed on pc by gf are very slim) All the VODs will be up on twitch within a few hours and youtube www.youtube.com/fxopenesports shortly
On February 14 2012 00:12 FXOpen wrote: Ok so, If anyone is wondering I will be emailing all winners tomorrow, maybe the next day due to valentines day (chances of being allowed on pc by gf are very slim) All the VODs will be up on twitch within a few hours and youtube www.youtube.com/fxopenesports shortly
16 hours in the office today = time for bed
- Unstable
Well done Unstable and the other caster, I watched every secound I could! I just love the FXOpen tournaments! Keep them coming
On February 13 2012 23:33 Nouar wrote: A one map advantage in a bo7 feels light to me, for the wb winner... Anyway, i hope for good games !!! Gogo drg
It's a joke. 2 x Bo5 is what would be "even". This basically equates to a 3 game lead.
Having to win two bo5 is not equal to a 3-0 lead in a bo7.
It's equal to a 3-0 lead in a bo11. It's anywhere from 1-0 to 3-0 in a bo7 since you can lose 3games straight and still be even. (you still have to win 3 though)
1-0 is far from enough, but more could mean a 20min finals. Please tournament organizers, stick with the 2 series rule when you have a LB.
DRG seriously has MKP locked down, its like he doesn't even have to try and crushes MKP.
I dunno about having the final now....on a Monday afternoon in Europe, it seems like a strange timeslot. At least break until next weekend and hype it a bit, then broadcast on Friday/Saturday or Sunday. Just seemed a bit anticlimatic for Unstable to say "oh yeah, we're heading into the grand final now, back in a few seconds" and boom, its on. Maybe there was a need to get it over with considering its all done with replays though. Sick tourney nonetheless.
On February 14 2012 00:28 Klonere wrote: DRG seriously has MKP locked down, its like he doesn't even have to try and crushes MKP.
I dunno about having the final now....on a Monday afternoon in Europe, it seems like a strange timeslot. At least break until next weekend and hype it a bit, then broadcast on Friday/Saturday or Sunday. Just seemed a bit anticlimatic for Unstable to say "oh yeah, we're heading into the grand final now, back in a few seconds" and boom, its on. Maybe there was a need to get it over with considering its all done with replays though. Sick tourney nonetheless.
The broadcast was supposed to happen yesterday but Raelcun fell ill, and next weekend wasnt an option so it was best of a bad situation.
In regards to the shall we say "debate" on the finals. Next time we will most likely do group stage round robin into single elim. that way there is no shitty situation at the end anyway. I think that is the most fair option. Because the 2x bo5's etc can be very very difficult to go into as the LB player, and can force really bad games because they might just be along the lines of "ugh over it" that was the thought process behind our finals as while we need to keep it fair, we also wanted the best possible games for the finals aswell.
Nice tournament, overall. I think the production values should be upped a bit, as others stated, but the invites were solid and most of the games I watched were nice enough. To me, it often feels like the players are not trying too hard, but I am afraid that is unavoidable when the GSL is around. (Or it might just be a mistaken impression on my side.) Are the players told the broadcast date beforehand, at least?
With that said, all the best to FXO with the followup. Buy Wolf a better mic and I'll surely tune-in whenever possible. =P
That comeback from MKP <3, he still has the best TvP in the world, and his TvT really improved, even though aLive, Polt, Jjakji and Happy are not the best TvTers, he seems unstoppable in every TvT. DRG is as monstruous as ever but every terran struggles in TvZ right now so... not so unexpected result
rofl at the fail that is MKP. 4-0'ed by the man drg. although to be honest i wish aLive had come further into the tournament. that would've made things interesting. esp since aLive 2-0'ed drg in the IPL qualifiers.
On February 14 2012 00:38 Poopi wrote: That comeback from MKP <3, he still has the best TvP in the world, and his TvT really improved, even though aLive, Polt, Jjakji and Happy are not the best TvTers, he seems unstoppable in every TvT. DRG is as monstruous as ever but every terran struggles in TvZ right now so... not so unexpected result
MMA and MVP would like to have a word.XD Terran winrate percentage against Zerg have always been favoring Terran since the beginnings of the GSL.-.- Terran dun struggle in TvZ especially Korean Terrans.DRG is on beast mode.
This makes me even more proud of aLive for beating DRG 2-1 in the IPL4 qualifier, he's looked so dominant in everything recently :D Congrats DRG, and good to see MKP putting up a good fight in the rest of the tourney
On February 14 2012 00:35 WigglingSquid wrote: Nice tournament, overall. I think the production values should be upped a bit, as others stated, but the invites were solid and most of the games I watched were nice enough. To me, it often feels like the players are not trying too hard, but I am afraid that is unavoidable when the GSL is around. (Or it might just be a mistaken impression on my side.) Are the players told the broadcast date beforehand, at least?
With that said, all the best to FXO with the followup. Buy Wolf a better mic and I'll surely tune-in whenever possible. =P
I'm curious as to how you feel the production value can be upped. Only thing that can really think of to be done is going from 720p to 1080p (which is doable, just has cost), we had high definition overlays, intros and win animations. Wolf has just purchased a new mic today too !
I might have explained myself poorly there. I think that 720p with a decent bitrate is absolutely fine, about the golden standard as far as free streams go. The overlays and intros/transitions were also very good, with the exception of the in-game FXOpen logo on the right side of the screen: Blizzard's UI is a cacophony of clutter which wastes a lot of screen estate and little can be done about it, which is why I think it would be better to "cram" all the sponsors in some space that would be wasted anyway (the Razer logo covering the bottom right menu if fine, for example). Alas, without tournament support from the devs, it is the organizer who needs to minimize damage.
What I think could be improved upon are audio quality and the pre/post-game stage, so to say. Both casters should go through very similar mics and processing; well, I suppose that you could achieve the same result without identical equipment, but my point is that when the casters sound very differently, the effect can be quite unpleasant. On the other subject, it would be nice to have a brief intro/hype to the most important games, and a short analysis after each set. The fact that the commercial break happens almost immediately after the gg and the next game is started with little to no introduction makes the thing feel a bit rushed, at least to me. You might want to check other online events out: I think that IPL and the MLG qualifiers got this part of their broadcasts right.
I hope I was a bit clearer now. And against, best of luck for your future events. ^^
On February 14 2012 00:38 Poopi wrote: That comeback from MKP <3, he still has the best TvP in the world, and his TvT really improved, even though aLive, Polt, Jjakji and Happy are not the best TvTers, he seems unstoppable in every TvT. DRG is as monstruous as ever but every terran struggles in TvZ right now so... not so unexpected result
MMA and MVP would like to have a word.XD Terran winrate percentage against Zerg have always been favoring Terran since the beginnings of the GSL.-.- Terran dun struggle in TvZ especially Korean Terrans.DRG is on beast mode.
Mvp is no longer a top TvZ anymore... He badly lost to Leenock two times, struggled a lot against Lucky and even lost versus NesTea (they are teammates and the games were weird but still...), maybe he will recover his form but it's a bad example. MMA is almost the only one who consistently does good against zerg in the GSL, but he still struggled in the foreign tournaments (MLG vs Leenock and IPL vs Lucky for example), but when you look at a lot of terrans performance, they don't do that well against zergs
On February 14 2012 00:35 WigglingSquid wrote: Nice tournament, overall. I think the production values should be upped a bit, as others stated, but the invites were solid and most of the games I watched were nice enough. To me, it often feels like the players are not trying too hard, but I am afraid that is unavoidable when the GSL is around. (Or it might just be a mistaken impression on my side.) Are the players told the broadcast date beforehand, at least?
With that said, all the best to FXO with the followup. Buy Wolf a better mic and I'll surely tune-in whenever possible. =P
I'm curious as to how you feel the production value can be upped. Only thing that can really think of to be done is going from 720p to 1080p (which is doable, just has cost), we had high definition overlays, intros and win animations. Wolf has just purchased a new mic today too !
The production values is quite good IMO and the only thing holding back this tournament is the advertising, it doesn't seem to be reconigzed by the more casual portion of spectators.
Great series between DRG and puzzle. Watching the rebroadcast. I wonder if the final game was winnable for puzzle beyond a certain point. Perhaps if he had left his void ray to threaten the spawningpool/extractor and gone for the third earlier he could have eliminated? I suppose It would still depend on whether DRG realized it and left his queens there.
drg so good. would be really shocked if he doesnt even win at least one gsl this year hard to take four games off of him in a seven game series (except if you are mma)
On February 14 2012 00:35 WigglingSquid wrote: Nice tournament, overall. I think the production values should be upped a bit, as others stated, but the invites were solid and most of the games I watched were nice enough. To me, it often feels like the players are not trying too hard, but I am afraid that is unavoidable when the GSL is around. (Or it might just be a mistaken impression on my side.) Are the players told the broadcast date beforehand, at least?
With that said, all the best to FXO with the followup. Buy Wolf a better mic and I'll surely tune-in whenever possible. =P
I'm curious as to how you feel the production value can be upped. Only thing that can really think of to be done is going from 720p to 1080p (which is doable, just has cost), we had high definition overlays, intros and win animations. Wolf has just purchased a new mic today too !
I might have explained myself poorly there. I think that 720p with a decent bitrate is absolutely fine, about the golden standard as far as free streams go. The overlays and intros/transitions were also very good, with the exception of the in-game FXOpen logo on the right side of the screen: Blizzard's UI is a cacophony of clutter which wastes a lot of screen estate and little can be done about it, which is why I think it would be better to "cram" all the sponsors in some space that would be wasted anyway (the Razer logo covering the bottom right menu if fine, for example). Alas, without tournament support from the devs, it is the organizer who needs to minimize damage.
What I think could be improved upon are audio quality and the pre/post-game stage, so to say. Both casters should go through very similar mics and processing; well, I suppose that you could achieve the same result without identical equipment, but my point is that when the casters sound very differently, the effect can be quite unpleasant. On the other subject, it would be nice to have a brief intro/hype to the most important games, and a short analysis after each set. The fact that the commercial break happens almost immediately after the gg and the next game is started with little to no introduction makes the thing feel a bit rushed, at least to me. You might want to check other online events out: I think that IPL and the MLG qualifiers got this part of their broadcasts right.
I hope I was a bit clearer now. And against, best of luck for your future events. ^^
Your points do make sense and I agree to an extent. The FXOpen logo is something that cant be removed due to the nature of replay casting and every event really just needs to make the best of a bad situation. In regards to everything else, I will say I agree completely however it was simply unavoidable due to the low staffing and budget of the event. FXOBoSs will be doing a complete write up in more detail tomorrow after we get the final statistics from twitch etc.
I just want to state my opinion that I would have watched, but Wolf casted. I do not believe Wolf to be of any value as a caster and previously decided to refuse to watch something with him casting. It is my opinion, and maybe others, that the game entertainment would go a lot better with a different caster. Please make this change. Thank you.
On February 14 2012 00:38 Poopi wrote: That comeback from MKP <3, he still has the best TvP in the world, and his TvT really improved, even though aLive, Polt, Jjakji and Happy are not the best TvTers, he seems unstoppable in every TvT. DRG is as monstruous as ever but every terran struggles in TvZ right now so... not so unexpected result
MMA and MVP would like to have a word.XD Terran winrate percentage against Zerg have always been favoring Terran since the beginnings of the GSL.-.- Terran dun struggle in TvZ especially Korean Terrans.DRG is on beast mode.
Mvp is no longer a top TvZ anymore... He badly lost to Leenock two times, struggled a lot against Lucky and even lost versus NesTea (they are teammates and the games were weird but still...), maybe he will recover his form but it's a bad example. MMA is almost the only one who consistently does good against zerg in the GSL, but he still struggled in the foreign tournaments (MLG vs Leenock and IPL vs Lucky for example), but when you look at a lot of terrans performance, they don't do that well against zergs
This is silly. MVP not a top tvz player because of his performance agaisnt 3 strong opponents, 1 of which he beat? His losses against leenock were close, at least his gsl semifinals series, and leenock has arguably the best or second best zvt in the world. Against lucky and nestea he looked very strong even if they were hard fought series. And besides, if MMA is the only player who does better in tvz, then its not like 2nd best tvz in the world is "not a top tvz anymore."
MKP such a boss beasting through the lower bracket, but DRG is the best player in the world right now, so what can you do. DRG is in form and unbeatable right now. Hope we get a DRG/MC GSL finals with DRG finally winning his first GSL, cause he sure deserves it!
On February 14 2012 05:28 Canucklehead wrote: MKP such a boss beasting through the lower bracket, but DRG is the best player in the world right now, so what can you do. DRG is in form and unbeatable right now. Hope we get a DRG/MC GSL finals with DRG finally winning his first GSL, cause he sure deserves it!
I think MMA vs DRG would be more interesting, those guys are probably #1 and #2 in the world right now, and easily the best of their respective match-ups.
DRG's early game is just sooooo solid I'm in shock. His extra early queens in ZvT are just incredibly helpful in holding back pushes and transfusing, then spreading a bunch of creep tumors. I'm definitely gonna have to start adopting his style.
wow didnt not expect that strong of a result from+ Show Spoiler +
DRG. Glad that least mkp got 2nd...again
Bit sad that there arent replays. Least there is 12hours of vods. but why are you guys with own3d? not twitch? just curious since own3d vods dont work well with my phone.
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