Well, Supernova is a Code S player and Real isn't even near the level of the top tier toss players in EU (Bling, TITAN, Bischu, Socke etc.). Even in EU he's known for being a notorious cheeser who doesn't really win macro games against anyone, and he's beating supernova (a guy who beat MC in GSL just some weeks ago). It doesn¨t really make any sense.

I'd be the same if Catz was winning a bo5 against aLive or something.

supernova almost lost to slivko. got completely outplayed and won cause slivko made 1 bad decision of basetradeing.
you overrate the shit out of him and you make it sound like real is some super noob. real practise with mma and in general has sick builds with sick execution.

Real is not a supernoob, but he's not near the top tier EU protosses. I'm not overrating SuperNoVa, but anyone who has watched SuperNoVas usual play knows his playing below his standards by far. Real practicing with MMA? that's a really stupid argument since SuperNoVa practices with pretty much all of the korean top tier players.

Real has played better in 2012 than any other EU Protoss.

i dont really like ReaL but this guy has a point :D, he did get pretty good results. i guess he is pretty on par with Feast?

Both MaNa and Naniwa are better than Feast. The thing is, neither of them did participate in any tournaments so far.Feast is, in my opinion, slightly ahead of ReaL, just as Grubby is. They qualified for some major events coming soon, we should wait to say things like this. Also, ReaLs performance in HSC4 was terrible, he played a ton of sloppy games :/

I wouldnt really compare players like Sase, Nani, and ToD with the EU players any longer, because it seems to be huge gap between them.
But looking at the latest months, IMO the european top protosses are Grubby, Nightend, Pomi, Feast, Socke etc.

MaNa is still europeans top protoss in my opinion if you eliminate the korean europeans like Nani

Yes I agree, I meant if you consider recent results. Mana is IMO the best non korean protoss(excl people who live in korea).

JustPassingBy

10776 Posts

February 11 2012 17:11 GMT

#412

sigh... so many mistakes by real... <.<

ZeromuS

Canada13389 Posts

February 11 2012 17:11 GMT

#413

On February 12 2012 02:10 vndods wrote:
upgrades are good, but splash damage is better.

Yeah once the food counts reach around 130 for terran you need to have splash damage

Mowr

Sweden791 Posts

February 11 2012 17:11 GMT

#414

Good series for showing map control means winning.

Tarotis

Germany1931 Posts

February 11 2012 17:11 GMT

#415

SuperNova has 1300 overmins, why isnt he just building more raxes :/

MVTaylor

United Kingdom2893 Posts

February 11 2012 17:11 GMT

#416

On February 12 2012 02:07 mvtaylor wrote:
3/3 upgrades in to colossus in to storm in to gg - happening

Phew, thank god for that. If ReaL had got away with 15 minute 3/3 I'd have lost faith in... whatever. If he didn't just let the expo die he may have won....

woob

United Kingdom1322 Posts

February 11 2012 17:11 GMT

#417

with mass zealot/storm/archon real wins

without supernova just crushes him

this is why i hate p

Asha

United Kingdom38256 Posts

February 11 2012 17:11 GMT

#418

On February 12 2012 02:10 vndods wrote:
upgrades are good, but splash damage is better.

having half decent mining is useful too heh.

SuperNova making less mistakes and crushing Real these last two games. Wonder if we'll see Real go for shenanigans in game 5 or whether he'll play standard.

LovE-

United States1963 Posts

February 11 2012 17:11 GMT

#419

manner mules ftw

Seraphone

United Kingdom1219 Posts

February 11 2012 17:11 GMT

#420

On February 12 2012 02:02 Eee wrote:

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Well Bischu hasnt really played any events in 2012, and I'd consider Sockes run in HSC 4 more impressive than Reals (Who IMO was very lucky with his groups).
Maybe I didnt really give the best example of players, but I wouldnt consider Real up there with the top tosses in EU.
If we're talking about 2012 I'd say Feast, Pomi and Grubby have been a lot more impressive than Real so far.

Wrong again.

Real has gone Ro4 at IEM Sao Paolo.
Ro8 at HSC4.

The only only other event this year has been IEM Kiev.

No way did another EU Protoss play better than that.

Whether he's better or not overall he's played the best Starcraft in 2012.