- Best of 5 -- 4 BO1 1v1s -- If tied after all 4 games there is a BO3 Ace Match - Players are picked before the match is started and picked based on the given map - 7 Week Season - Top 4 are seeded into Playoffs
Possibly the most one-sided cw ever. FXO is already a good deal better than Quantic as a team, but with Quantic sending out their "b-team" (i.e. not Nani, SaSe, Apocalypse) and FXO sending their top guns I can't see Quantic even coming close to taking a map.
I think if anyone takes a game for quantic in this series it will be Destiny, just because choya's pvz is his weakest matchup and Destiny's been doing that weird mass spines muta thing lately that will probably throw choya off.
Or I could be completely wrong.
I'm really confused about Flo v Oz though... not saying she shouldn't play, but against fucking Oz who is a PvT monster? Ouch.
I respect FXO for always using their best players in team-leagues unlike some other teams. I was hoping to see how SaSe/Naniwa/Apocalypse stack up against premier koreans but instead we get B-teamers...
On February 09 2012 09:32 tribulator wrote: I think if anyone takes a game for quantic in this series it will be Destiny, just because choya's pvz is his weakest matchup and Destiny's been doing that weird mass spines muta thing lately that will probably throw choya off.
Or I could be completely wrong.
I'm really confused about Flo v Oz though... not saying she shouldn't play, but against fucking Oz who is a PvT monster? Ouch.
Choya's allin will hit way before Destiny can get any number of Spines or Mutas... :p
i hope to god oz plays flo, they should just have a camera on his face watching his reactions as the game goes on, but ya FXO has this easily, shame quantic didnt pull out there a team for this
Props to FXO for bringing out their A team each time even though they can probably still clinch the playoffs (with a few losses though I'll bet) even with their B team.
But I wonder what's going to happen when they clinch the spot for the playoffs. hmmm.
On February 09 2012 10:24 obsKura wrote: Quantic cannot be serious with their choice of players... you don't put out B teamers/players if you're up against Leenock, Oz and GuMiHo...
Quantic is essentially eliminated from making the playoffs anyways. Why not let some of their lesser players get some exposure?
It obviously won't go to a game 4, but that is the most hilariously lop sided match up in SC2 history I think, minus the various Korean who played through the MLG open brackets last season.
On February 09 2012 10:24 obsKura wrote: Quantic cannot be serious with their choice of players... you don't put out B teamers/players if you're up against Leenock, Oz and GuMiHo...
Quantic is essentially eliminated from making the playoffs anyways. Why not let some of their lesser players get some exposure?
And what is the reason behind let them get totally crushed? they pretty much getting fed to the wolves, that's a bad kind of exposure I think.
On February 09 2012 10:28 _Mittens wrote: I'm sad the 4th game is flo v Oz.
It obviously won't go to a game 4, but that is the most hilariously lop sided match up in SC2 history I think, minus the various Korean who played through the MLG open brackets last season.
Well, there was that Losira vs Ailuj match at MLG...
On February 09 2012 10:28 _Mittens wrote: I'm sad the 4th game is flo v Oz.
It obviously won't go to a game 4, but that is the most hilariously lop sided match up in SC2 history I think, minus the various Korean who played through the MLG open brackets last season.
Well, there was that Losira vs Ailuj match at MLG...
.... really?
Did you not read far enough to see that I wrote "minus the various Koreans who played through the MLG open brackets last season"?
I think because of their 0-3 score they have nothing to lose, if im not mistaken agh and theognis always play on the team league. So the only risk they are taking here is sending out Flo, but more power to Quantic for recruiting girl players and giving her some playtime, not like the other teams.
On February 09 2012 10:28 _Mittens wrote: I'm sad the 4th game is flo v Oz.
It obviously won't go to a game 4, but that is the most hilariously lop sided match up in SC2 history I think, minus the various Korean who played through the MLG open brackets last season.
Well, there was that Losira vs Ailuj match at MLG...
.... really?
Did you not read far enough to see that I wrote "minus the various Koreans who played through the MLG open brackets last season"?
Well that one was a bit more than the rest of the open bracket matches, especially since it was played on the main stage and cast live for everyone to see..
On February 09 2012 10:28 _Mittens wrote: I'm sad the 4th game is flo v Oz.
It obviously won't go to a game 4, but that is the most hilariously lop sided match up in SC2 history I think, minus the various Korean who played through the MLG open brackets last season.
Well, there was that Losira vs Ailuj match at MLG...
.... really?
Did you not read far enough to see that I wrote "minus the various Koreans who played through the MLG open brackets last season"?
Well that one was a bit more than the rest of the open bracket matches, especially since it was played on the main stage and cast live for everyone to see..
On February 09 2012 12:11 Valikyr wrote: If Flo beats Oz...Let's just say I'll become her biggest fan then
No, you'll get in line with the rest of us.
Anyway, never underestimate anyone's chance of beating anyone in a single sc2 game.
I know in a Bo1 anything can happen....
But that's only b/c these players are still roughly at the same league with each other and top Koreans in actuality just aren't THAT far from mediocre Koreans or top foreigners. However, if players of vastly different calibre meets, that's a different story.
A good example with Bo1 would be Ostojiy or other Grandmasters in the CSL where they just don't lose to random mid-high masters.
That said, yes it's possible, but don't overestimate her chances either because they are as grim as people suggest.
I hope Quantic can pull 1 upset as I would love to see flo play against one of the world's top Protoss. One-sided? Absolutely, but it is interesting to see that Quantic is willing to basically throw a match to give her a chance to compete.
im not 100% sure how NASTL works but, is this match not important to quantic? as in, they can afford to lose a match without it affecting how they advance
I wish qauntic would use Darkcell and Inka in team leagues. Both are very underated and have a lot of potential. I feel like if they aren't going to put out there best these would be the guys that should be playing.
On February 09 2012 13:37 VPCursed wrote: im not 100% sure how NASTL works but, is this match not important to quantic? as in, they can afford to lose a match without it affecting how they advance
You're correct, quantic can't make the playoffs even if they win the rest of their matches so the matchs are irrelevent for them, but the other team is certainly catching a break imo.
Mother of god, that is the worst line up I have ever seen, what about SaSe who was just in the ESV finals, Naniwa, dont really need to talk about his success, Apocalypse, used to be on IM. This make 0 sense it me.
Well. Talk about the 'nothing to lose' strategy. Well at least it'll be fun rooting for Quantic while watching the train wreck (even if its a Korean player's reputation going down in flames).
Well, I won't be rooting for Destiny. I always love seeing his armies torn asunder in tourney matches.
I wanna see Flo beat Oz. anyway, I bet Gumiho will rely on cheese like he always does just like how he beat Mvp. I still dislike gumiho for cheesing mvp.
On February 09 2012 09:32 tribulator wrote: I think if anyone takes a game for quantic in this series it will be Destiny, just because choya's pvz is his weakest matchup and Destiny's been doing that weird mass spines muta thing lately that will probably throw choya off.
Or I could be completely wrong.
I'm really confused about Flo v Oz though... not saying she shouldn't play, but against fucking Oz who is a PvT monster? Ouch.
Plus Destiny has been sharpening his mind with lots of League of Legends play so his micro is going to be untouchable. Choya is going to get beat so bad he'll probably stop playing SC for a bit.
On February 09 2012 14:23 AnusPirate wrote: Destiny beat Choya LOL I lurked his match history how wrong are you guys.
Here are his games. seems his P v Z is by far his best match up.
All: 51-72 (41.46%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L L W W L L L L L | View Games vT: 12-24 (33.33%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L L L L L L L L L | View Games vZ: 10-22 (31.25%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L W W W L W L L L | View Games vP: 29-26 (52.73%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L W W W W L L L W W | View Games
On February 09 2012 12:11 Valikyr wrote: If Flo beats Oz...Let's just say I'll become her biggest fan then
He would have to win multiple GSL's to make up for that loss.
Well, there was this one guy called EffOrt in Brood War. He once lost a game to ToSsGirL then 2 years later he took down God in the OSL finals, so your scenario is not impossible.
On February 09 2012 12:11 Valikyr wrote: If Flo beats Oz...Let's just say I'll become her biggest fan then
He would have to win multiple GSL's to make up for that loss.
Well, there was this one guy called EffOrt in Brood War. He once lost a game to ToSsGirL then 2 years later he took down God in the OSL finals, so your scenario is not impossible.
Yeah but that was like in '08 or something like that, where Tossgirl had been a progamer for awhile and effort was playing one of his first televised matches if I remember right. This is a bit of a different scenario. I really can't see quantic getting anything here
On February 09 2012 12:11 Valikyr wrote: If Flo beats Oz...Let's just say I'll become her biggest fan then
He would have to win multiple GSL's to make up for that loss.
Well, there was this one guy called EffOrt in Brood War. He once lost a game to ToSsGirL then 2 years later he took down God in the OSL finals, so your scenario is not impossible.
wow, FXO's not pulling any punches. I think a one-sided match can be as interesting as a close, evenly matched one. Then again qxc did defeat IM singehandedly... though that was all-kill format. Who knows what could happen!
Someone posted spoilers to this on reddit. I won't post them here but for anyone who wants to know the results can go check. It's in the thread about quantic vs fxo and just scroll down the comments till you see the image link of the players match history.
On February 09 2012 12:11 Valikyr wrote: If Flo beats Oz...Let's just say I'll become her biggest fan then
He would have to win multiple GSL's to make up for that loss.
Well, there was this one guy called EffOrt in Brood War. He once lost a game to ToSsGirL then 2 years later he took down God in the OSL finals, so your scenario is not impossible.
Wow, Quantic is going to get slaughtered. Even a 1-3 loss would be a huge upset looking at the matchups. Destiny is the only one who I can see winning his game.
(Actually, this could be a smart way to get players good enough for competition in other team leagues, i.e. use NASTL for training players who then compete much more effectively in IPLTAC2 and potentially GSTL).
well Quantic is already 3-0 down so why not try others as they are awlready pretty much out? Sase was only oen taking agames anyway! Nani hasnt played? Make sense.
On February 09 2012 18:34 Yonnua wrote: LOL Quantic not taking NASTL seriously?
(Actually, this could be a smart way to get players good enough for competition in other team leagues, i.e. use NASTL for training players who then compete much more effectively in IPLTAC2 and potentially GSTL).
Maybe other players have something going on. Don't bm a team when you don't know shit okay?
On February 09 2012 18:34 Yonnua wrote: LOL Quantic not taking NASTL seriously?
(Actually, this could be a smart way to get players good enough for competition in other team leagues, i.e. use NASTL for training players who then compete much more effectively in IPLTAC2 and potentially GSTL).
Maybe other players have something going on. Don't bm a team when you don't know shit okay?
Umm, I'm not bming them? I literally just said that I think it's a smart call to put emphasis on the korean team league they're involved in, rather than using their best players in the NASTL. Sase and Naniwa are being used by StartaleQ at the moment, which is most likely why they aren't spending their time in this, where they'd need to prepare for matches. Instead they can focus on helping Startale win GSTL.What part of that is bm?
idk whats going on with all the hate, YES the probabilities and statistic def favor FXO still the games haven't been played so anything can happen and that means ANYTHING, also I find it fairly offensive on calling out all the players loosing outright, they deserve their share of applause for going vs this beastly of a team, if anything it is a great exposure and/or learning experience for players from quantic who are less exposed...
On February 10 2012 00:55 Danika wrote: idk whats going on with all the hate, YES the probabilities and statistic def favor FXO still the games haven't been played so anything can happen and that means ANYTHING, also I find it fairly offensive on calling out all the players loosing outright, they deserve their share of applause for going vs this beastly of a team, if anything it is a great exposure and/or learning experience for players from quantic who are less exposed...
Quantic's only chance is if theognis can magically beat gumiho. Destiny vs Choya is tough to call, but can go either way. Flo vs Oz would be cool to watch.
On February 10 2012 05:43 ampson wrote: Quantic's only chance is if theognis can magically beat gumiho. Destiny vs Choya is tough to call, but can go either way. Flo vs Oz would be cool to watch.
Why? To see how bad Flo is going to lose? She got 4-0'd by Aprodithe, and Oz is easily top 4 Protoss in the world, the only way she can win is if Oz goes for like a 15 nexus, and she goes 2 rax marine-scv all-in.
OH and according to TLDP she is 0-4 with a 0% win-rate in TvP. Against NA Protoss'
On February 10 2012 05:43 ampson wrote: Quantic's only chance is if theognis can magically beat gumiho. Destiny vs Choya is tough to call, but can go either way. Flo vs Oz would be cool to watch.
Why? To see how bad Flo is going to lose? She got 4-0'd by Aprodithe, and Oz is easily top 4 Protoss in the world, the only way she can win is if Oz goes for like a 15 nexus, and she goes 2 rax marine-scv all-in.
OH and according to TLDP she is 0-4 with a 0% win-rate in TvP. Against NA Protoss'
On February 10 2012 00:55 Danika wrote: idk whats going on with all the hate, YES the probabilities and statistic def favor FXO still the games haven't been played so anything can happen and that means ANYTHING, also I find it fairly offensive on calling out all the players loosing outright, they deserve their share of applause for going vs this beastly of a team, if anything it is a great exposure and/or learning experience for players from quantic who are less exposed...
On February 09 2012 18:34 Yonnua wrote: LOL Quantic not taking NASTL seriously?
(Actually, this could be a smart way to get players good enough for competition in other team leagues, i.e. use NASTL for training players who then compete much more effectively in IPLTAC2 and potentially GSTL).
Maybe other players have something going on. Don't bm a team when you don't know shit okay?
Umm, I'm not bming them? I literally just said that I think it's a smart call to put emphasis on the korean team league they're involved in, rather than using their best players in the NASTL. Sase and Naniwa are being used by StartaleQ at the moment, which is most likely why they aren't spending their time in this, where they'd need to prepare for matches. Instead they can focus on helping Startale win GSTL.What part of that is bm?
It's surprising how eager choya was to walk stalkers into crawlers. Why? He had everything he needed to handle the mutalisks. Oh well. Ready to see what Flo has.
On February 10 2012 12:11 Shellshock1122 wrote: Nice we get to see Flo. Solid win Destiny
Rofl? Mass mutas and spines = solid win.
Interesting.
Yeah, you have to play certain play styles to get a solid win. Some strategies just don't earn solid wins and are undeserving of recognition. ... Rolf?
On February 10 2012 12:11 Shellshock1122 wrote: Nice we get to see Flo. Solid win Destiny
Rofl? Mass mutas and spines = solid win.
Interesting.
destiny does always seem to use the most annoying strats which take the least skill to execute. i have 0 doubt he'll be massing infestors and bls in every game soon behind mass sunkens without attacking a p for 20 minutes. i personally think that kind of passive play is not a good way to improve (and mass mutas are passive, though I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying it!). but you can't deny the dude played a long game in which he had to make a ton of decisions and came out the victor.
On February 10 2012 12:11 Shellshock1122 wrote: Nice we get to see Flo. Solid win Destiny
Rofl? Mass mutas and spines = solid win.
Interesting.
A win is a win. Tbh, not abusing mass muta/spine vs. P would be a stupid decision, it's so ridiculously strong. No hard feelings for destiny doing what he had to do.
On February 10 2012 12:23 Trowa127 wrote: Lol one gate expo into 3 gates into your dead? With that much tech behind it, double forge and twilight. Dayum.
On February 10 2012 12:11 Shellshock1122 wrote: Nice we get to see Flo. Solid win Destiny
Rofl? Mass mutas and spines = solid win.
Interesting.
Yeah, you have to play certain play styles to get a solid win. Some strategies just don't earn solid wins and are undeserving of recognition. ... Rolf?
You are misunderstanding i think; it was a win. Win is a win - obviously. But i took issue with the word "solid", because there is nothing solid about massing a single unit.
Usually the sign of a player outclassing an other one is to kill someone with pressure. (but well anyway there are not that many foreign player that Oz doesn't outclas :D) But still not as funny as MC winning in a DT rush in PvP without making a single DT :D
On February 10 2012 12:14 MisterFred wrote: Flo gets her shot. Hell, if she just makes the game close it's a major PR win.
Yeah who cares about competitive matches.
It's all 'bout the PR!
Quantic have mentioned many times before that they want a team that is entertaining and has personality, competitiveness is just one of the requirements.
awww, too bad, I wanted an upset so bad... but the outcome was definitely to be expected... I want to see Sase more, he doesn't stream much anymore either
On February 10 2012 12:24 kubiks wrote: Usually the sign of a player outclassing an other one is to kill someone with pressure. But still not as funny as MC winning in a DT rush in PvP without making a single DT :D
Or in TSL3 where he beat his first opponent with 3-Gate pressure
On February 10 2012 12:22 QxGRockEr wrote: darkcell..............................explain this to me please..............................you should know the question
On February 10 2012 12:14 MisterFred wrote: Flo gets her shot. Hell, if she just makes the game close it's a major PR win.
Yeah who cares about competitive matches.
It's all 'bout the PR!
Quantic have mentioned many times before that they want a team that is entertaining and has personality, competitiveness is just one of the requirements.
Thanks for the heads up. I'll stop wasting my time with watching any Quantic player from now. Except NaNiWa because he's clearly not about that.
On February 10 2012 12:24 kubiks wrote: Usually the sign of a player outclassing an other one is to kill someone with pressure. (but well anyway there are not that many foreign player that Oz doesn't outclas :D) But still not as funny as MC winning in a DT rush in PvP without making a single DT :D
On February 10 2012 12:11 Shellshock1122 wrote: Nice we get to see Flo. Solid win Destiny
Rofl? Mass mutas and spines = solid win.
Interesting.
Yeah, you have to play certain play styles to get a solid win. Some strategies just don't earn solid wins and are undeserving of recognition. ... Rolf?
You are misunderstanding i think; it was a win. Win is a win - obviously. But i took issue with the word "solid", because there is nothing solid about massing a single unit.
Why? His build seemed pretty solid to me. It's really not as easy as it seems. One slip up can cost you like 1300 gas worth of mutas. Besides even players like MC and MKP mass one unit and win all the time. In fact I would say its even easier to mass stalkers and mass marines than it is to mass mutas.
On February 10 2012 12:11 Shellshock1122 wrote: Nice we get to see Flo. Solid win Destiny
Rofl? Mass mutas and spines = solid win.
Interesting.
Yeah, you have to play certain play styles to get a solid win. Some strategies just don't earn solid wins and are undeserving of recognition. ... Rolf?
You are misunderstanding i think; it was a win. Win is a win - obviously. But i took issue with the word "solid", because there is nothing solid about massing a single unit.
Yes, of course! So it isn't a solid win because he built a lot of mutas! I guess I should take that into account, every player who wins doing muta/spine crawler, shouldn't really be considered a good player because it's just abusing a unit! Genius! Destiny is such a dirty player.
On February 10 2012 12:14 MisterFred wrote: Flo gets her shot. Hell, if she just makes the game close it's a major PR win.
Yeah who cares about competitive matches.
It's all 'bout the PR!
Quantic have mentioned many times before that they want a team that is entertaining and has personality, competitiveness is just one of the requirements.
Thanks for the heads up. I'll stop wasting my time with watching any Quantic player from now. Except NaNiWa because he's clearly not about that.
Is SaSe, the first ever non-korean in the final of the ESV korean weekly not competitive either no??....
On February 10 2012 12:24 kubiks wrote: Usually the sign of a player outclassing an other one is to kill someone with pressure. (but well anyway there are not that many foreign player that Oz doesn't outclas :D) But still not as funny as MC winning in a DT rush in PvP without making a single DT :D
what match was that?
MC vs Naniwa at an MLG ? I think.
The 3gate pressure MC win was first round TSL, MC vs Ciara. That was sadder than this match, because Ciara literally had no units and didn't gg out.
On February 10 2012 12:24 kubiks wrote: Usually the sign of a player outclassing an other one is to kill someone with pressure. (but well anyway there are not that many foreign player that Oz doesn't outclas :D) But still not as funny as MC winning in a DT rush in PvP without making a single DT :D
wait, what? lol did that really happen?
I remember MC doing a normal 3 gate expand and attacking with it like a 4 gater would, killing the poor zerg and making him ragequit. It reminded me of a person trying to pick up an insect but accidentally killing it.
But DT rush into no DTs is whole another level of amazing o.O
On February 10 2012 12:11 Shellshock1122 wrote: Nice we get to see Flo. Solid win Destiny
Rofl? Mass mutas and spines = solid win.
Interesting.
Yeah, you have to play certain play styles to get a solid win. Some strategies just don't earn solid wins and are undeserving of recognition. ... Rolf?
You are misunderstanding i think; it was a win. Win is a win - obviously. But i took issue with the word "solid", because there is nothing solid about massing a single unit.
Yeah, nothing solid about his mechanics or decision making. ... He played a good game and played well. Saying he "just made one unit" is a poor way to break down a game of SC2.
On February 10 2012 12:14 MisterFred wrote: Flo gets her shot. Hell, if she just makes the game close it's a major PR win.
Yeah who cares about competitive matches.
It's all 'bout the PR!
Quantic have mentioned many times before that they want a team that is entertaining and has personality, competitiveness is just one of the requirements.
No that's not true at all... Competition takes precedence over everything -_-.
On February 10 2012 12:11 Shellshock1122 wrote: Nice we get to see Flo. Solid win Destiny
Rofl? Mass mutas and spines = solid win.
Interesting.
Yeah, you have to play certain play styles to get a solid win. Some strategies just don't earn solid wins and are undeserving of recognition. ... Rolf?
You are misunderstanding i think; it was a win. Win is a win - obviously. But i took issue with the word "solid", because there is nothing solid about massing a single unit.
Why? His build seemed pretty solid to me. It's really not as easy as it seems. One slip up can cost you like 1300 gas worth of mutas. Besides even players like MC and MKP mass one unit and win all the time. In fact I would say its even easier to mass stalkers and mass marines than it is to mass mutas.
Ya, Choya badly misplayed the defense of that. Despite being on 4 bases.
On February 10 2012 12:11 Shellshock1122 wrote: Nice we get to see Flo. Solid win Destiny
Rofl? Mass mutas and spines = solid win.
Interesting.
Yeah, you have to play certain play styles to get a solid win. Some strategies just don't earn solid wins and are undeserving of recognition. ... Rolf?
You are misunderstanding i think; it was a win. Win is a win - obviously. But i took issue with the word "solid", because there is nothing solid about massing a single unit.
Yes, of course! So it isn't a solid win because he built a lot of mutas! I guess I should take that into account, every player who wins doing muta/spine crawler, shouldn't really be considered a good player because it's just abusing a unit! Genius! Destiny is such a dirty player.
I don't often call people retarded, but you are coming awfully close.
Nowhere in my post did i reference Destiny's ability; i did not even mention his name. I didn't call him dirty, nor did i imply anything of the sort. I understand hearing negative words when you are a fanboy can spin you into a frenzy, but please do not exaggerate too much <--- passive aggressive smiley.
I actually enjoy watching Destiny for his ingenuity and innovation - i just didn't like this particular strategy; massing spines and mutas is definitely not solid; it relies on almost perfect control which Destiny managed this game. He played it fantastically, that doesn't mean the strategy isn't sub-optimal.
edit: eugh that came out more aggressive than intended; sorry but i hope you still get what i was trying to say
On February 10 2012 12:33 bkrow wrote: I actually enjoy watching Destiny for his ingenuity and innovation - i just didn't like this particular strategy; massing spines and mutas is definitely not solid; it relies on almost perfect control which Destiny managed this game. He played it fantastically, that doesn't mean the strategy isn't sub-optimal.
Welcome to the 2012 metagame...
There are probably more muta spine ling players on korean ladder than fast third roach expands nowadays. It is completely solid and more than tried/tested.
On February 10 2012 12:14 MisterFred wrote: Flo gets her shot. Hell, if she just makes the game close it's a major PR win.
Yeah who cares about competitive matches.
It's all 'bout the PR!
Quantic have mentioned many times before that they want a team that is entertaining and has personality, competitiveness is just one of the requirements.
Thanks for the heads up. I'll stop wasting my time with watching any Quantic player from now. Except NaNiWa because he's clearly not about that.
Why is that a bad thing though? Personality makes the game more fun to watch. It doesn't mean Quantic don't care about being competitive, it only means that they additionally want their players to be interesting or fan favorites.
On February 10 2012 12:14 MisterFred wrote: Flo gets her shot. Hell, if she just makes the game close it's a major PR win.
Yeah who cares about competitive matches.
It's all 'bout the PR!
Quantic have mentioned many times before that they want a team that is entertaining and has personality, competitiveness is just one of the requirements.
No that's not true at all... Competition takes precedence over everything -_-.
Well I didn't say competitiveness is below the other two, just that to make a good team (from a business standpoint as well, take note) competitiveness alone won't suffice.
On February 10 2012 12:11 Shellshock1122 wrote: Nice we get to see Flo. Solid win Destiny
Rofl? Mass mutas and spines = solid win.
Interesting.
Yeah, you have to play certain play styles to get a solid win. Some strategies just don't earn solid wins and are undeserving of recognition. ... Rolf?
You are misunderstanding i think; it was a win. Win is a win - obviously. But i took issue with the word "solid", because there is nothing solid about massing a single unit.
Yes, of course! So it isn't a solid win because he built a lot of mutas! I guess I should take that into account, every player who wins doing muta/spine crawler, shouldn't really be considered a good player because it's just abusing a unit! Genius! Destiny is such a dirty player.
I don't often call people retarded, but you are coming awfully close.
Nowhere in my post did i reference Destiny's ability; i did not even mention his name. I didn't call him dirty, nor did i imply anything of the sort. I understand hearing negative words when you are a fanboy can spin you into a frenzy, but please do not exaggerate too much <--- passive aggressive smiley.
I actually enjoy watching Destiny for his ingenuity and innovation - i just didn't like this particular strategy; massing spines and mutas is definitely not solid; it relies on almost perfect control which Destiny managed this game. He played it fantastically, that doesn't mean the strategy isn't sub-optimal.
edit: eugh that came out more aggressive than intended; sorry but i hope you still get what i was trying to say
I just don't understand this, how can you say a 30 minute game victory isn't solid. You even say the strategy employed requires perfect control, this just sounds like what any other top tier player would do, have confidence on their control, and use the strategy they deem would most probably give them the win. If this isn't a solid win, I don't know what you would call one. Maybe the 1-1-1?
People are continuously arguing "Mutalisks take no skillz!!!" or "Mutalisks are sooo Gosu!!" I'll be honest, I play Terran. I have very little insight into the PvZ/ZvP metagame, but I know a lot of Protoss players complain about Mutalisks being "OP." After watching the game Destiny played and the game Destiny played vs MaNa (basically the same strat, for those of you who didn't see).
Now I want to ask a question, if anybody has a deep knowledge of the PvZ metagame I'd be really interested in hearing your response, but just out of curiosity:
What is Protoss supposed to do against that?
I know that Muta play can die to aggressive Protoss players, but I don't see anyway that that Muta ball can die unless Destiny makes a major miss-micro and flies them through a Storm or Blink Stalkers. And, if the Protoss cannot kill those Mutalisks, then suddenly they can't ever move out of their base without that attack becoming an all-in.
I'm sure that there are a plethora of timings, cheeses, and all-ins that counter Mutalisk play, but is there any way for a Protoss to win a game against a Zerg who goes Mutalisk without that Zerg making a major mistake? Destiny is a good player, but I know for a fact that he is not at the mechanical level of MaNa or Choya, so how is it that he can win such convincing games against them?
Again, these are merely my observations from having watched some PvZs. Generally, whenever Protoss players cry imba I just laugh because deep down we all know that PvT is a broken match-up but I actually fail to see the proper response to that.
I know that I personally am sometimes found in a situation in TvZ where if I attack, I have to win, because I'm losing my entire base. So I'd be really interested to hear from any Zergs or Protoss players who know how to beat this Muta ball without doing some cheesy one or two base build and without the Zerg having a major micro error. Thanks!
On February 10 2012 12:53 The Final Boss wrote: People are continuously arguing "Mutalisks take no skillz!!!" or "Mutalisks are sooo Gosu!!" I'll be honest, I play Terran. I have very little insight into the PvZ/ZvP metagame, but I know a lot of Protoss players complain about Mutalisks being "OP." After watching the game Destiny played and the game Destiny played vs MaNa (basically the same strat, for those of you who didn't see).
Now I want to ask a question, if anybody has a deep knowledge of the PvZ metagame I'd be really interested in hearing your response, but just out of curiosity:
What is Protoss supposed to do against that?
I know that Muta play can die to aggressive Protoss players, but I don't see anyway that that Muta ball can die unless Destiny makes a major miss-micro and flies them through a Storm or Blink Stalkers. And, if the Protoss cannot kill those Mutalisks, then suddenly they can't ever move out of their base without that attack becoming an all-in.
I'm sure that there are a plethora of timings, cheeses, and all-ins that counter Mutalisk play, but is there any way for a Protoss to win a game against a Zerg who goes Mutalisk without that Zerg making a major mistake? Destiny is a good player, but I know for a fact that he is not at the mechanical level of MaNa or Choya, so how is it that he can win such convincing games against them?
Again, these are merely my observations from having watched some PvZs. Generally, whenever Protoss players cry imba I just laugh because deep down we all know that PvT is a broken match-up but I actually fail to see the proper response to that.
I know that I personally am sometimes found in a situation in TvZ where if I attack, I have to win, because I'm losing my entire base. So I'd be really interested to hear from any Zergs or Protoss players who know how to beat this Muta ball without doing some cheesy one or two base build and without the Zerg having a major micro error. Thanks!
Storms. Like... a Parting amount of them. No zerg will split his muta ball up, so you just storm them wherever you can. Also note that you can't go mutas like that on every map, you need lots of dead space to be able to flee from blink stalkers.
On February 10 2012 12:53 The Final Boss wrote: People are continuously arguing "Mutalisks take no skillz!!!" or "Mutalisks are sooo Gosu!!" I'll be honest, I play Terran. I have very little insight into the PvZ/ZvP metagame, but I know a lot of Protoss players complain about Mutalisks being "OP." After watching the game Destiny played and the game Destiny played vs MaNa (basically the same strat, for those of you who didn't see).
Now I want to ask a question, if anybody has a deep knowledge of the PvZ metagame I'd be really interested in hearing your response, but just out of curiosity:
What is Protoss supposed to do against that?
I know that Muta play can die to aggressive Protoss players, but I don't see anyway that that Muta ball can die unless Destiny makes a major miss-micro and flies them through a Storm or Blink Stalkers. And, if the Protoss cannot kill those Mutalisks, then suddenly they can't ever move out of their base without that attack becoming an all-in.
I'm sure that there are a plethora of timings, cheeses, and all-ins that counter Mutalisk play, but is there any way for a Protoss to win a game against a Zerg who goes Mutalisk without that Zerg making a major mistake? Destiny is a good player, but I know for a fact that he is not at the mechanical level of MaNa or Choya, so how is it that he can win such convincing games against them?
Again, these are merely my observations from having watched some PvZs. Generally, whenever Protoss players cry imba I just laugh because deep down we all know that PvT is a broken match-up but I actually fail to see the proper response to that.
I know that I personally am sometimes found in a situation in TvZ where if I attack, I have to win, because I'm losing my entire base. So I'd be really interested to hear from any Zergs or Protoss players who know how to beat this Muta ball without doing some cheesy one or two base build and without the Zerg having a major micro error. Thanks!
Did you watch Nestea vs Genius yesterday? It made me cry Ultra-sized Zerg tears ;_;
On February 10 2012 12:53 The Final Boss wrote: People are continuously arguing "Mutalisks take no skillz!!!" or "Mutalisks are sooo Gosu!!" I'll be honest, I play Terran. I have very little insight into the PvZ/ZvP metagame, but I know a lot of Protoss players complain about Mutalisks being "OP." After watching the game Destiny played and the game Destiny played vs MaNa (basically the same strat, for those of you who didn't see).
Now I want to ask a question, if anybody has a deep knowledge of the PvZ metagame I'd be really interested in hearing your response, but just out of curiosity:
What is Protoss supposed to do against that?
I know that Muta play can die to aggressive Protoss players, but I don't see anyway that that Muta ball can die unless Destiny makes a major miss-micro and flies them through a Storm or Blink Stalkers. And, if the Protoss cannot kill those Mutalisks, then suddenly they can't ever move out of their base without that attack becoming an all-in.
I'm sure that there are a plethora of timings, cheeses, and all-ins that counter Mutalisk play, but is there any way for a Protoss to win a game against a Zerg who goes Mutalisk without that Zerg making a major mistake? Destiny is a good player, but I know for a fact that he is not at the mechanical level of MaNa or Choya, so how is it that he can win such convincing games against them?
Again, these are merely my observations from having watched some PvZs. Generally, whenever Protoss players cry imba I just laugh because deep down we all know that PvT is a broken match-up but I actually fail to see the proper response to that.
I know that I personally am sometimes found in a situation in TvZ where if I attack, I have to win, because I'm losing my entire base. So I'd be really interested to hear from any Zergs or Protoss players who know how to beat this Muta ball without doing some cheesy one or two base build and without the Zerg having a major micro error. Thanks!
Storms. Like... a Parting amount of them. No zerg will split his muta ball up, so you just storm them wherever you can. Also note that you can't go mutas like that on every map, you need lots of dead space to be able to flee from blink stalkers.
I feel like to get to the point where you have a enough storms for that to be true, you need to have the economy, and Mutalisks shut down expansions.
That's another thing I've realized about that sort of strategy, it seemed even more effective on Tal'Darim Altar. I think it's great to tailor certain strategies for specific maps, but if a strategy is so good on a map where it becomes almost impossible to beat, then I think there may be a problem. It seemed that the short distance form main to third on Tal'Darim Altar made it almost impossible (I know that's a different game then the Destiny v Choya game, but the game I'm thinking about was Destiny vs MaNa in IPL TAC 2 and it pertains to the discussion).
On February 10 2012 12:53 The Final Boss wrote: People are continuously arguing "Mutalisks take no skillz!!!" or "Mutalisks are sooo Gosu!!" I'll be honest, I play Terran. I have very little insight into the PvZ/ZvP metagame, but I know a lot of Protoss players complain about Mutalisks being "OP." After watching the game Destiny played and the game Destiny played vs MaNa (basically the same strat, for those of you who didn't see).
Now I want to ask a question, if anybody has a deep knowledge of the PvZ metagame I'd be really interested in hearing your response, but just out of curiosity:
What is Protoss supposed to do against that?
I know that Muta play can die to aggressive Protoss players, but I don't see anyway that that Muta ball can die unless Destiny makes a major miss-micro and flies them through a Storm or Blink Stalkers. And, if the Protoss cannot kill those Mutalisks, then suddenly they can't ever move out of their base without that attack becoming an all-in.
I'm sure that there are a plethora of timings, cheeses, and all-ins that counter Mutalisk play, but is there any way for a Protoss to win a game against a Zerg who goes Mutalisk without that Zerg making a major mistake? Destiny is a good player, but I know for a fact that he is not at the mechanical level of MaNa or Choya, so how is it that he can win such convincing games against them?
Again, these are merely my observations from having watched some PvZs. Generally, whenever Protoss players cry imba I just laugh because deep down we all know that PvT is a broken match-up but I actually fail to see the proper response to that.
I know that I personally am sometimes found in a situation in TvZ where if I attack, I have to win, because I'm losing my entire base. So I'd be really interested to hear from any Zergs or Protoss players who know how to beat this Muta ball without doing some cheesy one or two base build and without the Zerg having a major micro error. Thanks!
Storms. Like... a Parting amount of them. No zerg will split his muta ball up, so you just storm them wherever you can. Also note that you can't go mutas like that on every map, you need lots of dead space to be able to flee from blink stalkers.
I feel like to get to the point where you have a enough storms for that to be true, you need to have the economy, and Mutalisks shut down expansions.
That's another thing I've realized about that sort of strategy, it seemed even more effective on Tal'Darim Altar. I think it's great to tailor certain strategies for specific maps, but if a strategy is so good on a map where it becomes almost impossible to beat, then I think there may be a problem. It seemed that the short distance form main to third on Tal'Darim Altar made it almost impossible (I know that's a different game then the Destiny v Choya game, but the game I'm thinking about was Destiny vs MaNa in IPL TAC 2 and it pertains to the discussion).
It's the same way that we see Protoss keeping hts in their bases to shut down mid game drop play in PvT with feedbacks, you can do the same thing vs Z without having to bounce an army between three bases. Sure you'll lose the ht if the Z is committed to doing damage with that poke, but if he keeps eating storms at the expense of taking out a couple ht and a pylon or so, he'll eventually have a bunch of red mutas.
On February 10 2012 12:53 The Final Boss wrote: People are continuously arguing "Mutalisks take no skillz!!!" or "Mutalisks are sooo Gosu!!" I'll be honest, I play Terran. I have very little insight into the PvZ/ZvP metagame, but I know a lot of Protoss players complain about Mutalisks being "OP." After watching the game Destiny played and the game Destiny played vs MaNa (basically the same strat, for those of you who didn't see).
Now I want to ask a question, if anybody has a deep knowledge of the PvZ metagame I'd be really interested in hearing your response, but just out of curiosity:
What is Protoss supposed to do against that?
I know that Muta play can die to aggressive Protoss players, but I don't see anyway that that Muta ball can die unless Destiny makes a major miss-micro and flies them through a Storm or Blink Stalkers. And, if the Protoss cannot kill those Mutalisks, then suddenly they can't ever move out of their base without that attack becoming an all-in.
I'm sure that there are a plethora of timings, cheeses, and all-ins that counter Mutalisk play, but is there any way for a Protoss to win a game against a Zerg who goes Mutalisk without that Zerg making a major mistake? Destiny is a good player, but I know for a fact that he is not at the mechanical level of MaNa or Choya, so how is it that he can win such convincing games against them?
Again, these are merely my observations from having watched some PvZs. Generally, whenever Protoss players cry imba I just laugh because deep down we all know that PvT is a broken match-up but I actually fail to see the proper response to that.
I know that I personally am sometimes found in a situation in TvZ where if I attack, I have to win, because I'm losing my entire base. So I'd be really interested to hear from any Zergs or Protoss players who know how to beat this Muta ball without doing some cheesy one or two base build and without the Zerg having a major micro error. Thanks!
Storms. Like... a Parting amount of them. No zerg will split his muta ball up, so you just storm them wherever you can. Also note that you can't go mutas like that on every map, you need lots of dead space to be able to flee from blink stalkers.
I feel like to get to the point where you have a enough storms for that to be true, you need to have the economy, and Mutalisks shut down expansions.
That's another thing I've realized about that sort of strategy, it seemed even more effective on Tal'Darim Altar. I think it's great to tailor certain strategies for specific maps, but if a strategy is so good on a map where it becomes almost impossible to beat, then I think there may be a problem. It seemed that the short distance form main to third on Tal'Darim Altar made it almost impossible (I know that's a different game then the Destiny v Choya game, but the game I'm thinking about was Destiny vs MaNa in IPL TAC 2 and it pertains to the discussion).
Choya did not have great decision-making in my opinion, and he should not have let Destiny get to that point of mass mutas and mass spines. The Storms and Blink Stalkers were destroying the mutas, but then Choya decided to base-race against mutas into a wall of spines.
On February 10 2012 12:53 The Final Boss wrote: People are continuously arguing "Mutalisks take no skillz!!!" or "Mutalisks are sooo Gosu!!" I'll be honest, I play Terran. I have very little insight into the PvZ/ZvP metagame, but I know a lot of Protoss players complain about Mutalisks being "OP." After watching the game Destiny played and the game Destiny played vs MaNa (basically the same strat, for those of you who didn't see).
Now I want to ask a question, if anybody has a deep knowledge of the PvZ metagame I'd be really interested in hearing your response, but just out of curiosity:
What is Protoss supposed to do against that?
I know that Muta play can die to aggressive Protoss players, but I don't see anyway that that Muta ball can die unless Destiny makes a major miss-micro and flies them through a Storm or Blink Stalkers. And, if the Protoss cannot kill those Mutalisks, then suddenly they can't ever move out of their base without that attack becoming an all-in.
I'm sure that there are a plethora of timings, cheeses, and all-ins that counter Mutalisk play, but is there any way for a Protoss to win a game against a Zerg who goes Mutalisk without that Zerg making a major mistake? Destiny is a good player, but I know for a fact that he is not at the mechanical level of MaNa or Choya, so how is it that he can win such convincing games against them?
Again, these are merely my observations from having watched some PvZs. Generally, whenever Protoss players cry imba I just laugh because deep down we all know that PvT is a broken match-up but I actually fail to see the proper response to that.
I know that I personally am sometimes found in a situation in TvZ where if I attack, I have to win, because I'm losing my entire base. So I'd be really interested to hear from any Zergs or Protoss players who know how to beat this Muta ball without doing some cheesy one or two base build and without the Zerg having a major micro error. Thanks!
Storms. Like... a Parting amount of them. No zerg will split his muta ball up, so you just storm them wherever you can. Also note that you can't go mutas like that on every map, you need lots of dead space to be able to flee from blink stalkers.
I feel like to get to the point where you have a enough storms for that to be true, you need to have the economy, and Mutalisks shut down expansions.
That's another thing I've realized about that sort of strategy, it seemed even more effective on Tal'Darim Altar. I think it's great to tailor certain strategies for specific maps, but if a strategy is so good on a map where it becomes almost impossible to beat, then I think there may be a problem. It seemed that the short distance form main to third on Tal'Darim Altar made it almost impossible (I know that's a different game then the Destiny v Choya game, but the game I'm thinking about was Destiny vs MaNa in IPL TAC 2 and it pertains to the discussion).
Yea its a really good strategy on taldarim, because the zerg has so many expansions to take and the protoss has difficulty getting a 4th. But on this map, choya was only behind 1 base for a majority of the game. Also mutalisks are very gas heavy and you cant use them in direct engagements until you get a very large amount of them. Choya was defending pretty well until the part of the game where he lost that first mothership and his army was out of position so he couldnt defend his main. If he had his mothership he could have done things like go snipe expansions and recall back to prevent the base trade. Also he needed more archons to go along with the high templars.
got to say that i am really disappointed with quantic not playing one of their top players. even if they were out of the playoffs something i am not at all convinced of they still should of played. this isn't quite as bad as dignitas forfeiting their fifth game last tournament but it left the same bad taste in my mouth.
On February 10 2012 14:31 magicallypuzzled wrote: got to say that i am really disappointed with quantic not playing one of their top players. even if they were out of the playoffs something i am not at all convinced of they still should of played. this isn't quite as bad as dignitas forfeiting their fifth game last tournament but it left the same bad taste in my mouth.
hope quantic don't make a habbit of this.
pretty sure they didnt want to play because they are in korea and get lag on NA servers.
On February 10 2012 14:31 magicallypuzzled wrote: got to say that i am really disappointed with quantic not playing one of their top players. even if they were out of the playoffs something i am not at all convinced of they still should of played. this isn't quite as bad as dignitas forfeiting their fifth game last tournament but it left the same bad taste in my mouth.
hope quantic don't make a habbit of this.
pretty sure they didnt want to play because they are in korea and get lag on NA servers.
Where did you hear this from? I'm pretty sure FXO would have gladly played on the Korean server considering their team is in Korea.
On February 10 2012 12:53 The Final Boss wrote: People are continuously arguing "Mutalisks take no skillz!!!" or "Mutalisks are sooo Gosu!!" I'll be honest, I play Terran. I have very little insight into the PvZ/ZvP metagame, but I know a lot of Protoss players complain about Mutalisks being "OP." After watching the game Destiny played and the game Destiny played vs MaNa (basically the same strat, for those of you who didn't see).
Now I want to ask a question, if anybody has a deep knowledge of the PvZ metagame I'd be really interested in hearing your response, but just out of curiosity:
What is Protoss supposed to do against that?
I know that Muta play can die to aggressive Protoss players, but I don't see anyway that that Muta ball can die unless Destiny makes a major miss-micro and flies them through a Storm or Blink Stalkers. And, if the Protoss cannot kill those Mutalisks, then suddenly they can't ever move out of their base without that attack becoming an all-in.
I'm sure that there are a plethora of timings, cheeses, and all-ins that counter Mutalisk play, but is there any way for a Protoss to win a game against a Zerg who goes Mutalisk without that Zerg making a major mistake? Destiny is a good player, but I know for a fact that he is not at the mechanical level of MaNa or Choya, so how is it that he can win such convincing games against them?
Again, these are merely my observations from having watched some PvZs. Generally, whenever Protoss players cry imba I just laugh because deep down we all know that PvT is a broken match-up but I actually fail to see the proper response to that.
I know that I personally am sometimes found in a situation in TvZ where if I attack, I have to win, because I'm losing my entire base. So I'd be really interested to hear from any Zergs or Protoss players who know how to beat this Muta ball without doing some cheesy one or two base build and without the Zerg having a major micro error. Thanks!
Did you watch Nestea vs Genius yesterday? It made me cry Ultra-sized Zerg tears ;_;
That is not even remotely similar situations. Genius opened Stargate and was pumping out Phoenix while Nestea was stuck on 2-base economy.
On February 10 2012 14:31 magicallypuzzled wrote: got to say that i am really disappointed with quantic not playing one of their top players. even if they were out of the playoffs something i am not at all convinced of they still should of played. this isn't quite as bad as dignitas forfeiting their fifth game last tournament but it left the same bad taste in my mouth.
hope quantic don't make a habbit of this.
Why? Do you get angry watching GSTL when they put out players other than their aces? Its a good way for their less experienced players to test themselves vs some high level players in a competitive environment to see how they stack up. I for one enjoy seeing relatively lesser known players face off vs known quantities. Its win win for Quantic in my opinion, their players get experience, they get to see where they stand relative to korean pros, they get exposure for their lesser players, and no one expects them to win, so if they lose everyone's expectations are met, if they win, it would be a pretty big deal and a lot of buzz would be generated because of it. Good decision if you ask me.
On February 10 2012 14:31 magicallypuzzled wrote: got to say that i am really disappointed with quantic not playing one of their top players. even if they were out of the playoffs something i am not at all convinced of they still should of played. this isn't quite as bad as dignitas forfeiting their fifth game last tournament but it left the same bad taste in my mouth.
hope quantic don't make a habbit of this.
pretty sure they didnt want to play because they are in korea and get lag on NA servers.
On February 10 2012 14:31 magicallypuzzled wrote: got to say that i am really disappointed with quantic not playing one of their top players. even if they were out of the playoffs something i am not at all convinced of they still should of played. this isn't quite as bad as dignitas forfeiting their fifth game last tournament but it left the same bad taste in my mouth.
hope quantic don't make a habbit of this.
pretty sure they didnt want to play because they are in korea and get lag on NA servers.
Do you have any evidence supporting this?
Yeah, this doesn't even make sense considering they were playing a Korean team. I would like an explanation as to why Quantic isn't taking this tournament as seriously as other teams. I mean FXO put out all their best players, and Quantic cannot put out NaNi or Sase? Maybe these games were filmed four and half months ago, though.
On February 10 2012 14:31 magicallypuzzled wrote: got to say that i am really disappointed with quantic not playing one of their top players. even if they were out of the playoffs something i am not at all convinced of they still should of played. this isn't quite as bad as dignitas forfeiting their fifth game last tournament but it left the same bad taste in my mouth.
hope quantic don't make a habbit of this.
pretty sure they didnt want to play because they are in korea and get lag on NA servers.
having players refuse or not want to play makes this even worse i don;t know why you thought saying that would make it better. even more disappointed then ever.
On February 10 2012 14:31 magicallypuzzled wrote: got to say that i am really disappointed with quantic not playing one of their top players. even if they were out of the playoffs something i am not at all convinced of they still should of played. this isn't quite as bad as dignitas forfeiting their fifth game last tournament but it left the same bad taste in my mouth.
hope quantic don't make a habbit of this.
Why? Do you get angry watching GSTL when they put out players other than their aces? Its a good way for their less experienced players to test themselves vs some high level players in a competitive environment to see how they stack up. I for one enjoy seeing relatively lesser known players face off vs known quantities. Its win win for Quantic in my opinion, their players get experience, they get to see where they stand relative to korean pros, they get exposure for their lesser players, and no one expects them to win, so if they lose everyone's expectations are met, if they win, it would be a pretty big deal and a lot of buzz would be generated because of it. Good decision if you ask me.
theres a difference between choosing a few lesser players when you know you can fall back to your aces if need be and picking all lesser players when you can't have a fall back plan due to the very nature of the setup. one is exposure the other is throwing games pure and simple and i am not interested in watching a team like that. Are they going to go 0-8 in the group with out a fight simply becuase they can't make the playoffs any more? who wants to see that?
On February 10 2012 14:31 magicallypuzzled wrote: got to say that i am really disappointed with quantic not playing one of their top players. even if they were out of the playoffs something i am not at all convinced of they still should of played. this isn't quite as bad as dignitas forfeiting their fifth game last tournament but it left the same bad taste in my mouth.
hope quantic don't make a habbit of this.
pretty sure they didnt want to play because they are in korea and get lag on NA servers.
having players refuse or not want to play makes this even worse i don;t know why you thought saying that would make it better. even more disappointed then ever.
well crap didn;t mean to triple post wish i knew how to delete post on here./
On February 10 2012 14:31 magicallypuzzled wrote: got to say that i am really disappointed with quantic not playing one of their top players. even if they were out of the playoffs something i am not at all convinced of they still should of played. this isn't quite as bad as dignitas forfeiting their fifth game last tournament but it left the same bad taste in my mouth.
hope quantic don't make a habbit of this.
Why? Do you get angry watching GSTL when they put out players other than their aces? Its a good way for their less experienced players to test themselves vs some high level players in a competitive environment to see how they stack up. I for one enjoy seeing relatively lesser known players face off vs known quantities. Its win win for Quantic in my opinion, their players get experience, they get to see where they stand relative to korean pros, they get exposure for their lesser players, and no one expects them to win, so if they lose everyone's expectations are met, if they win, it would be a pretty big deal and a lot of buzz would be generated because of it. Good decision if you ask me.
theres a difference between choosing a few lesser players when you know you can fall back to your aces if need be and picking all lesser players when you can't have a fall back plan due to the very nature of the setup. one is exposure the other is throwing games pure and simple and i am not interested in watching a team like that. Are they going to go 0-8 in the group with out a fight simply becuase they can't make the playoffs any more? who wants to see that?
Eh, there's been several gstl where a team have lost without having their top players participate (supposidly because they had gsl games sometime in the future but no one knows for sure). There's little difference unless you actually know why they quantic didn't produce theirs.
While I'm sure they had their reasons for their lineup I really do wish they could have put out their A lineup for this match, because to be honest I think they may have had a pretty decent shot at winning. Naniwa and Sase are both very capable of winning vs FXO's best and anything can happen if it goes to the ace match. While the individual win may not have meant much for this league, I think showing other big Leagues that your team puts up a fight despite what the results say could bode well in being considered for future team leagues. I think its also quite an accomplishment that Quantic could have been proud of to beat FXO when they put out this caliber of lineup.
Flo seemed really nervous against Oz, I think that caused the so quick victory. I don't think she should have lost there I mean 4 rax + bunkers as well highground against 3g pressure.
On February 11 2012 04:22 eYeball wrote: Flo seemed really nervous against Oz, I think that caused the so quick victory. I don't think she should have lost there I mean 4 rax + bunkers as well highground against 3g pressure.
pretty lame that this is the excuse people are going to use. She played bad, move command the marines back to the natural was a mistake. It is not like this was a LAN event, I am sure there was some pressure, but that excuse being used to support players playing bad is getting overused. Flo making a mistake because she is only a NA masters player and makes mistakes in her play (like all masters players) is normal. If a Code S player, or some top tier pro, makes a mistake like that then you can call it more likely nerves, but to me when an average player is making mistakes, its just because of inexperience/lack of knowledge.
tldr nerves are not an excuse for an average player making mistakes.
On February 11 2012 04:22 eYeball wrote: Flo seemed really nervous against Oz, I think that caused the so quick victory. I don't think she should have lost there I mean 4 rax + bunkers as well highground against 3g pressure.
pretty lame that this is the excuse people are going to use. She played bad, move command the marines back to the natural was a mistake. It is not like this was a LAN event, I am sure there was some pressure, but that excuse being used to support players playing bad is getting overused. Flo making a mistake because she is only a NA masters player and makes mistakes in her play (like all masters players) is normal. If a Code S player, or some top tier pro, makes a mistake like that then you can call it more likely nerves, but to me when an average player is making mistakes, its just because of inexperience/lack of knowledge.
tldr nerves are not an excuse for an average player making mistakes.
lol what you don't think a average player playing against a CODE S KOREAN didn't make excuse based on nerves?
On February 11 2012 04:22 eYeball wrote: Flo seemed really nervous against Oz, I think that caused the so quick victory. I don't think she should have lost there I mean 4 rax + bunkers as well highground against 3g pressure.
pretty lame that this is the excuse people are going to use. She played bad, move command the marines back to the natural was a mistake. It is not like this was a LAN event, I am sure there was some pressure, but that excuse being used to support players playing bad is getting overused. Flo making a mistake because she is only a NA masters player and makes mistakes in her play (like all masters players) is normal. If a Code S player, or some top tier pro, makes a mistake like that then you can call it more likely nerves, but to me when an average player is making mistakes, its just because of inexperience/lack of knowledge.
tldr nerves are not an excuse for an average player making mistakes.
lol what you don't think a average player playing against a CODE S KOREAN didn't make excuse based on nerves?
yeah playing against a good player could/probably does increase someones nerves. I am not arguing that she wasn't nervous and that it wouldn't have affected her play. I just think its stupid that every time someone does bad, people always jump on the nervous player syndrome instead of considering the skill level of the person and saying that they just played bad/made mistakes because they are not as good.
On February 10 2012 12:11 Shellshock1122 wrote: Nice we get to see Flo. Solid win Destiny
Rofl? Mass mutas and spines = solid win.
Interesting.
Yeah, you have to play certain play styles to get a solid win. Some strategies just don't earn solid wins and are undeserving of recognition. ... Rolf?
You are misunderstanding i think; it was a win. Win is a win - obviously. But i took issue with the word "solid", because there is nothing solid about massing a single unit.
Yeah, nothing solid about his mechanics or decision making. ... He played a good game and played well. Saying he "just made one unit" is a poor way to break down a game of SC2.
Riiight so winning for a GSL Korean dosnt translate to a "solid win" if you go muta spine? Thats a pretty funny joke just saying cause that was a good win both mechanically an decision wise Im thinking you're one of those guys who even when Destiny wins a good game they find some reason to shit on him for no reason since there seems to be a great many like that. Oh well a win is a win an against Choya yea you can bet it's a solid win.
I am glad that Quantic fielded Flo, she does need the experience playing in events like this for her team. Whether or not that was the right idea (could of put up someone stronger) is another question.
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nani/sase y u no play
no Naniwa and Sase 
but I actually fail to see the proper response to that.
