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On January 19 2012 23:00 Ellenpagee wrote: awwww all those swedes trying to defend their naniwa , how cuuuuute <3<3
You french are the same when stephano loses so don't laugh at others.
how can you even compare Stephano and Naniwa's professionalism, I don't think Stephano ever misbehaved or annoyed the hell out of the admins of a tournament.
Stephano never misbehaved? do you remember Asemmbly Summer vs Brat_OK?
On January 19 2012 22:54 Poisonblack wrote: There were 2 players out there:
Strelok giving a good example and showing how a pro SHOULD behave in such a condition.
And unsurprisingly, naniwa showing the exact opposite like the immature child he is. So self-centered with 0 respect to his team, fans, and 'fellow' pro gamers and letting them all down...
Wrong. Pro should not be silent if playing conditions are not optimal.
Sure they should. It's called be professional and providing the entertainment that the fans want and sponsors expect.
To what degree? What if a tournament forced them to play one race, without a chair, on the KR server on Steppes of War while lagging. The pros shouldn't say anything because they're doing what the fans and sponsors want right? Fuck no, SC2 is about the players more than anyone else.
Lag is not the end of the world. It's more like playing football in the rain.
And it's not about the players more than anyone else. It's a symbiotic relationship between players, fans, casters and sponsors. Without all of them none of this is possible.
Without players, there is no scene Without sponsors, there is still a scene, it's not funded Without casters, there is still a scene, it's not casted Without fans, there is still a scene, it's not popular
Without the players, you can have nothing else.
But without Naniwa (or any player x) there are still other players to take his place.
On January 19 2012 23:00 Ellenpagee wrote: awwww all those swedes trying to defend their naniwa , how cuuuuute <3<3
, Wow, look at all these French people bashing the swedes.. Oh wait it's not all of you Oh, and it's people from all over the place being on both sides of this? Stfu with your bullshit -.-
To be fair, there is nothing wrong with his statement. Those Swedes indicates a group of Swedes, not every Swede.
True but it's also implied that swedes are on one side of the fence and everyone else is on the other... From what i can see there are, like i said, people from all over the place on both sides...
It's true that Lag is a problem created by Blizzard (and which could be fixed by some kind of tournament lan mode).
But: Everyone has to deal with lag. Naniwa should have adjusted to it (like Strelok and probably all other pros) and he didn't. He lost because his plans didn't work (3rd game was simply a failed rush..) and since he is a sore loser (proven by his GSL stunt) he quit the tournament.
That is NOT professional, especially after throwing gsl games. Right now he should be proving to us that he belongs in the professional SC2 scene, regardless of winning or losing.
I initially thought Nani was a cool player, but he seems more and more unable to deal with losing games he is predicted to win. He sees himself at the top, but really isn't.
On January 19 2012 23:00 Ellenpagee wrote: awwww all those swedes trying to defend their naniwa , how cuuuuute <3<3
You french are the same when stephano loses so don't laugh at others.
how can you even compare Stephano and Naniwa's professionalism, I don't think Stephano ever misbehaved or annoyed the hell out of the admins of a tournament.
Stephano never misbehaved? do you remember Asemmbly Summer vs Brat_OK?
On January 19 2012 23:07 Umilard wrote: Naniwa gets angry as fuck, simple as that. It's not like he's hurting anyone but himself with his tantrums so I dunno why everyone gets to angry.
well I get angry because I care about him and don't want to see him fuck himself over by being a child.
On January 19 2012 22:54 Poisonblack wrote: There were 2 players out there:
Strelok giving a good example and showing how a pro SHOULD behave in such a condition.
And unsurprisingly, naniwa showing the exact opposite like the immature child he is. So self-centered with 0 respect to his team, fans, and 'fellow' pro gamers and letting them all down...
Wrong. Pro should not be silent if playing conditions are not optimal.
Sure they should. It's called be professional and providing the entertainment that the fans want and sponsors expect.
To what degree? What if a tournament forced them to play one race, without a chair, on the KR server on Steppes of War while lagging. The pros shouldn't say anything because they're doing what the fans and sponsors want right? Fuck no, SC2 is about the players more than anyone else.
Lag is not the end of the world. It's more like playing football in the rain.
And it's not about the players more than anyone else. It's a symbiotic relationship between players, fans, casters and sponsors. Without all of them none of this is possible.
Without players, there is no scene Without sponsors, there is still a scene, it's not funded Without casters, there is still a scene, it's not casted Without fans, there is still a scene, it's not popular
Without the players, you can have nothing else.
EVERYONE is needed. Players without fans, sponsors, casters might as well not exist, pretty much like the foreigner BW scene.
On January 19 2012 22:54 Poisonblack wrote: There were 2 players out there:
Strelok giving a good example and showing how a pro SHOULD behave in such a condition.
And unsurprisingly, naniwa showing the exact opposite like the immature child he is. So self-centered with 0 respect to his team, fans, and 'fellow' pro gamers and letting them all down...
Wrong. Pro should not be silent if playing conditions are not optimal.
Sure they should. It's called be professional and providing the entertainment that the fans want and sponsors expect.
To what degree? What if a tournament forced them to play one race, without a chair, on the KR server on Steppes of War while lagging. The pros shouldn't say anything because they're doing what the fans and sponsors want right? Fuck no, SC2 is about the players more than anyone else.
Lag is not the end of the world. It's more like playing football in the rain.
And it's not about the players more than anyone else. It's a symbiotic relationship between players, fans, casters and sponsors. Without all of them none of this is possible.
Without players, there is no scene Without sponsors, there is still a scene, it's not funded Without casters, there is still a scene, it's not casted Without fans, there is still a scene, it's not popular
Without the players, you can have nothing else.
Yes, fan support is the most important force right now in esports since it is still a budding community. But if the players aren't presented with the proper conditions to play out a real game, what is the point of even watching? Imagine if a CS Tourney was so badly organized that it forced the teams to play with like 100+ ping (of course that'd never happen cuz they have LAN lollll) At least Nani is taking a stand.