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On January 17 2012 19:44 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 19:42 RPR_Tempest wrote:On January 17 2012 19:40 cyclone25 wrote:On January 17 2012 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 17 2012 19:33 FuzzyJAM wrote:On January 17 2012 19:32 Hall0wed wrote:
As I expected DRG is pretty damn overrated ZvP. Very transparent style and anyone that studies his play in ZvP (which Genius has an especially easy time doing) should be able handle him.
Glad that I was right about that but disappointed DRG lost still, really want to see him go far in Code S. Want to see DRG, MMA, MKP, MC, and a few others in RO8 this season. ^_^ Who has the best ZvP exactly? Nestea, Losira and Leenock all have far superior ZvPs. NesTea results since September: 0-1 Genius, 0-1 Huk, 1-2 Naniwa, 1-2 Naniwa. Now try again without making a clueless post. To be fair, we haven't seen NesTea play a recent ZvP in-form. He was quite noticeably out of form when he played against HuK, and his small slump continued through MLG and the Blizzard Cup. I would say that his games this season were the first he played at his full potential in a long time. NesTea's ZvP is really overrated. He had good results in past but it was vs average players like Anypro, Inca or HongUn.
He also beat MC with it, it's oke you wanne agrue but atleast name all Protoss not only what you consider the bad ones.
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If we are going by GSL stats which are the only thing that truly matters: Nestea has the best ZvP(statistically) as well in actuality.
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On January 17 2012 19:44 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 19:42 RPR_Tempest wrote:On January 17 2012 19:40 cyclone25 wrote:On January 17 2012 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 17 2012 19:33 FuzzyJAM wrote:On January 17 2012 19:32 Hall0wed wrote:
As I expected DRG is pretty damn overrated ZvP. Very transparent style and anyone that studies his play in ZvP (which Genius has an especially easy time doing) should be able handle him.
Glad that I was right about that but disappointed DRG lost still, really want to see him go far in Code S. Want to see DRG, MMA, MKP, MC, and a few others in RO8 this season. ^_^ Who has the best ZvP exactly? Nestea, Losira and Leenock all have far superior ZvPs. NesTea results since September: 0-1 Genius, 0-1 Huk, 1-2 Naniwa, 1-2 Naniwa. Now try again without making a clueless post. To be fair, we haven't seen NesTea play a recent ZvP in-form. He was quite noticeably out of form when he played against HuK, and his small slump continued through MLG and the Blizzard Cup. I would say that his games this season were the first he played at his full potential in a long time. NesTea's ZvP is really overrated. He had good results in past but it was vs average players like Anypro, Inca or HongUn.
I hate to say it but this^.
Nestea gets overrated a lot. Not saying he isn't one of the best players in the world, but people just jump on his dick without any real understanding of what they're saying a lot of the time.
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On January 17 2012 19:46 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 19:44 cyclone25 wrote:On January 17 2012 19:42 RPR_Tempest wrote:On January 17 2012 19:40 cyclone25 wrote:On January 17 2012 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 17 2012 19:33 FuzzyJAM wrote:On January 17 2012 19:32 Hall0wed wrote:
As I expected DRG is pretty damn overrated ZvP. Very transparent style and anyone that studies his play in ZvP (which Genius has an especially easy time doing) should be able handle him.
Glad that I was right about that but disappointed DRG lost still, really want to see him go far in Code S. Want to see DRG, MMA, MKP, MC, and a few others in RO8 this season. ^_^ Who has the best ZvP exactly? Nestea, Losira and Leenock all have far superior ZvPs. NesTea results since September: 0-1 Genius, 0-1 Huk, 1-2 Naniwa, 1-2 Naniwa. Now try again without making a clueless post. To be fair, we haven't seen NesTea play a recent ZvP in-form. He was quite noticeably out of form when he played against HuK, and his small slump continued through MLG and the Blizzard Cup. I would say that his games this season were the first he played at his full potential in a long time. NesTea's ZvP is really overrated. He had good results in past but it was vs average players like Anypro, Inca or HongUn. He also beat MC with it, it's oke you wanne agrue but atleast name all Protoss not only what you consider the bad ones.
tbh...who was actually a good protoss back then?
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On January 17 2012 19:36 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 19:24 Sabu113 wrote:
Genius' build is just designed to deal with mutaballs. Phoenixes vs mutas >< Mnnnnnn the fact is mutas will always win vs pheonix if pheonix isnt stacked and mutas are, the concept of phoenix counter muta is flawed, because they dont have splash dmg, so muta stacking will always win vs phoenix bbecause they stack worse, why? Well if you have 15 mutas concetrated in 1 point only the outlying pheonixes will shoot and all mutas will shot at once 1 shotting 1 phoenix and doing dmg to 2nd. Also the fact is that muta can focus fire while pheonix not. Phoenix is only the support unit vs big muta balls. And zerg players who lose mutas to phoenix just doesnt know that you can nullify them with micro. Corruptors are useless as they are slow and can be outrun. And frankly only 1 player in world does that and its dimaga which baffles me because hes doing it since more than 1 year... its nothing new yet i see players believe in phoenix > muta myth. Because they thing phoenix is the main dealer which is not because its storm/archon that prevents clumping or stalker/cannon because its the main dps. What im saying of course doesnt mean 5 mutas will win vs phoenix what i mean is stacking power of muta which increases dramatically.
phoenix are pretty good against mutas, just not in a one vs one situation, because both have to be stacked and then mutas deal extra damage, also the zerg will have more mutas most likely. You use phoenix to have a fast overall protection on your bases, few stalkers along the phoenix or a pair of canons and the mutas can't just chase the phoenix, because they would get damage the longer they try to get the phoenix. And well talking about direct engagements, the real problem why mutas are good in pvz, with phoenix around the mutas die before anything else in a direct engagement, especially since the splash will be redirected on ground units, if there is any thanks to guardian shield.
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On January 17 2012 19:45 shabby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 19:44 cyclone25 wrote:On January 17 2012 19:42 RPR_Tempest wrote:On January 17 2012 19:40 cyclone25 wrote:On January 17 2012 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 17 2012 19:33 FuzzyJAM wrote:On January 17 2012 19:32 Hall0wed wrote:
As I expected DRG is pretty damn overrated ZvP. Very transparent style and anyone that studies his play in ZvP (which Genius has an especially easy time doing) should be able handle him.
Glad that I was right about that but disappointed DRG lost still, really want to see him go far in Code S. Want to see DRG, MMA, MKP, MC, and a few others in RO8 this season. ^_^ Who has the best ZvP exactly? Nestea, Losira and Leenock all have far superior ZvPs. NesTea results since September: 0-1 Genius, 0-1 Huk, 1-2 Naniwa, 1-2 Naniwa. Now try again without making a clueless post. To be fair, we haven't seen NesTea play a recent ZvP in-form. He was quite noticeably out of form when he played against HuK, and his small slump continued through MLG and the Blizzard Cup. I would say that his games this season were the first he played at his full potential in a long time. NesTea's ZvP is really overrated. He had good results in past but it was vs average players like Anypro, Inca or HongUn. Those three players weren't average when the games were played, though. Seem to remember hongun and anypro hitting many Ro8s/Ro4s between them.
agreed. they were the top protosses at the time. the only good pvz player though was probably MC and nestea didnt get a chance to face him. however nestea was upwards of like 85% in zvp for a long time which is still ridiculous
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JYP should take some lessons in PvT from Genius.
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There are no Zergs as consistent as MMA or MVP, and thats the bottomline.
Probably NesTea can get back to his former glory, which remains to be seen.
Pretty disappointing results for DRG and Leenock so far, lost quite a bunch of money. 
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On January 17 2012 19:44 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 19:42 RPR_Tempest wrote:On January 17 2012 19:40 cyclone25 wrote:On January 17 2012 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 17 2012 19:33 FuzzyJAM wrote:On January 17 2012 19:32 Hall0wed wrote:
As I expected DRG is pretty damn overrated ZvP. Very transparent style and anyone that studies his play in ZvP (which Genius has an especially easy time doing) should be able handle him.
Glad that I was right about that but disappointed DRG lost still, really want to see him go far in Code S. Want to see DRG, MMA, MKP, MC, and a few others in RO8 this season. ^_^ Who has the best ZvP exactly? Nestea, Losira and Leenock all have far superior ZvPs. NesTea results since September: 0-1 Genius, 0-1 Huk, 1-2 Naniwa, 1-2 Naniwa. Now try again without making a clueless post. To be fair, we haven't seen NesTea play a recent ZvP in-form. He was quite noticeably out of form when he played against HuK, and his small slump continued through MLG and the Blizzard Cup. I would say that his games this season were the first he played at his full potential in a long time. NesTea's ZvP is really overrated. He had good results in past but it was vs average players like Anypro, Inca or HongUn.
You forget MC and Killer which I guess is convenient for your point so you ignore them. Hongun has always been a solid Toss anyways. What other players are there to beat historically for him? That is every good Toss from the older GSL's. He simply hasn't played some of the newer ones.
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10 probe advantage for sc?
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On January 17 2012 19:45 Xacalite wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 19:44 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
Does this mean no MC in the GSTL? It does doesn't it? oh no.....ive not thought about that....im sad now =(
He may be able to get in on the chinese team and work out a partnership?
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On January 17 2012 19:47 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 19:44 cyclone25 wrote:On January 17 2012 19:42 RPR_Tempest wrote:On January 17 2012 19:40 cyclone25 wrote:On January 17 2012 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 17 2012 19:33 FuzzyJAM wrote:On January 17 2012 19:32 Hall0wed wrote:
As I expected DRG is pretty damn overrated ZvP. Very transparent style and anyone that studies his play in ZvP (which Genius has an especially easy time doing) should be able handle him.
Glad that I was right about that but disappointed DRG lost still, really want to see him go far in Code S. Want to see DRG, MMA, MKP, MC, and a few others in RO8 this season. ^_^ Who has the best ZvP exactly? Nestea, Losira and Leenock all have far superior ZvPs. NesTea results since September: 0-1 Genius, 0-1 Huk, 1-2 Naniwa, 1-2 Naniwa. Now try again without making a clueless post. To be fair, we haven't seen NesTea play a recent ZvP in-form. He was quite noticeably out of form when he played against HuK, and his small slump continued through MLG and the Blizzard Cup. I would say that his games this season were the first he played at his full potential in a long time. NesTea's ZvP is really overrated. He had good results in past but it was vs average players like Anypro, Inca or HongUn. I hate to say it but this^. Nestea gets overrated a lot. Not saying he isn't one of the best players in the world, but people just jump on his dick without any real understanding of what they're saying a lot of the time.
Mostly cuz Artosis jumps on his dick a lot of the time
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Genius's build is very safe, but it's also incredibly boring cause no one can attack till 3 base 200/200 D:
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On January 17 2012 19:46 Sc2Null wrote:
If we are going by GSL stats which are the only thing that truly matters: Nestea has the best ZvP(statistically) as well in actuality.
Had high hopes for Curious but his Code S play seemed rather lacking, also Losira, suprisingly lost to Parting.
Maybe your right for sure about the overal statistics, but i could not tell currently wich zerg is best vs Protoss.
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On January 17 2012 19:46 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 19:44 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 17 2012 19:42 mrtomjones wrote:On January 17 2012 19:40 cyclone25 wrote:On January 17 2012 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 17 2012 19:33 FuzzyJAM wrote:On January 17 2012 19:32 Hall0wed wrote:
As I expected DRG is pretty damn overrated ZvP. Very transparent style and anyone that studies his play in ZvP (which Genius has an especially easy time doing) should be able handle him.
Glad that I was right about that but disappointed DRG lost still, really want to see him go far in Code S. Want to see DRG, MMA, MKP, MC, and a few others in RO8 this season. ^_^ Who has the best ZvP exactly? Nestea, Losira and Leenock all have far superior ZvPs. NesTea results since September: 0-1 Genius, 0-1 Huk, 1-2 Naniwa, 1-2 Naniwa. Now try again without making a clueless post. Uhh I fail to see why you were such a dick to him. Historically Nestea has been the best ZvP. His play took a huge dip after he lost to Huk and is only recently on an upswing. Not only that but Nestea's overall results in ZvP still completely dwarf DRGs even with his recent slump included. Matter of fact, Nestea has performed better than DRG in every tournament he's been except for the Blizzard cup. How about MLG? NesTea lost to Naniwa and Haypro, DRG had much better results. But you obviously don't follow SC2, no need to argue with you.
DRG lost to Naniwa at MLG as well..
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such a late charge, could be the end of him
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On January 17 2012 19:46 shabby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 19:44 hipsterHobbit wrote:On January 17 2012 19:40 mTwTT1 wrote:On January 17 2012 19:33 MCDayC wrote:
TT1, what do you think of that build? I thought you had alot of trouble with Mutas, did that seem like a good response. yea i liked genius's style but that styles been around for a while, its really good against players like drg who like to open roach and transition into muts in the midd game(drg literally did this to me every game at iem and he was doing this in most of his zvp's at mlg, u dont need to be his practice partner to understand how he plays), allows him to take a 3rd and scout/harass with his air units and if the zerg decides to transition into muts then hes sitting on 3bases so he can afford going collo tech + restart phoenix prod while pumping out upgrades + blink stalkers, makes for an extremely strong army comp with negates the map control that the z gains from his muts why aren't you banned yet? Because he never uses punctuation, so no one understands him anyway. 
sadly he makes more sense when he's posting drunk.
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I love the pre-emptive fullscreen mode by the observer.
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EPT
