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On January 30 2012 11:19 farside604 wrote:
What I really dont understand is all the hate, and frankly, racism France received cause of Stephano's decision to leave the tournament. Even one of the caster just said something along the lines of "there goes Stepheno surrendering just like the French do". I expect to see that kinda stuff in chat but the casters should be a professional enough not to say things like this.
when you don't have the knowledge or any skill to commentate or analyse the game, you try to entertain with shitty jokes
On January 30 2012 11:20 Jacobs Ladder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 11:17 Bashion wrote:On January 30 2012 11:16 DOUDOU wrote:On January 30 2012 11:12 obsKura and some others wrote:
He could at least drink a Redbull and stay up for the finals. not everyone wants to drink shit I agree. Monster tastes way better. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE! Does no one appreciate a good cup of coffee anymore?
coffee isn't very nice either
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On January 30 2012 11:21 colate wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong. But wasn't Stephano directly invited to the tournament due to fan votes. I recall him being first when I voted on Rotterdam on the poll. If that is the case I am disgusted by Stephano's action based on that. If the reason he was in this tournament was because of his fans, then his action is purely selfish. I know he is his own master and all that. But this industry is here because of the fans.
You got a good point, but I do not think that Stephano would get affected too badly about this. I think the complexity thing was more serious, but few remember it now and even fewer care. Tyler did the same thing in groups, but there is very little anger directed towards Tyler.
The community has too short of a memory. Anyone remember Gus Lesdesma and the thousands of dollars that are unaccounted for?
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On January 30 2012 11:20 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 11:15 MrCash wrote:On January 30 2012 11:11 VirGin wrote:On January 30 2012 10:59 MrCash wrote:On January 30 2012 10:58 IMStyle wrote:
the french have been forfeiting and losing wars all history. This is nothing special guys, move on. I suppose ignorance and stupidity is not limited to the United States. Lol dude what are you trying to accomplish? Look, everybody who has a little history knowledge knows this french surrendering thing is a myth and mostly a running internet joke. Don't be so pretentiousGet over yourself and laugh at something when its funny. =D It's not funny. It's funny if it was true, shit talking about bad things is what makes something funny. However going to an ugly person and being sarcastic and calling them beautiful is not funny. Same as going to a beautiful person and calling them ugly isn't funny. Both are just mean and stupid. Some enjoy these types of BS jokes, but they only promote more ignorance and stupidity. I don't know any decent people who enjoy these jokes, except those who aren't aware that they are not true. I know nice people who laugh at jokes about French surrendering, because they simply don't study history in their free time, they study their respective majors. Honestly I think all this is just the result of WWII and nothing else. Obviously France isn't historically weak or pathetic, but in WWII they were woefully unprepared and unable to fight Germany. Meanwhile, Britain (a long-running rival of France) was engaged in the worst war they'd ever experienced, with Churchill reciting memorable lines like "we shall never surrender." The result? Britain didn't surrender and ultimately won, while France did the opposite. Yeah, it didn't represent a long-running trend, but making fun of the French is something Brits have done for centuries (it's gone the other way too). People just need to stop getting butthurt. Last I checked, everyone makes fun of America for being fat/stupid/violent/etc. but Americans don't take obsessive offense.
While that is true, that is not where the stereotype of "surrender" started, although it was later quoted in some propaganda.
This is something that has become more popular after the 90s and early 2000s.
Big thing done during Bush administration is to shit talk countries that did not publicly support invading Iraq.
The rest you can wikipedia yourself.
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And alone on Westerplatte in Gdansk 200 polish soldiers managed to hold of the whole German army making them think there were over 5000 ppl there for a week, those guys did surrender though :-O
They had orders to defend for at least few hours, defended a week against much bigger forces, firepower from sea and air. well quite good but what is your point?
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On January 30 2012 11:15 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 11:11 HappyChris wrote:On January 30 2012 11:07 KalWarkov wrote:On January 30 2012 11:05 MrMongo wrote:On January 30 2012 11:03 corpuscle wrote:On January 30 2012 11:00 MrMongo wrote:
Sadly I must tell you those are BATTLES not wars... just during WWII... apperently the french won 4 times and lost 2.... right so winning like twice as many battles as they've lost means they're bad at war. got it. I'm not even French I just fucking hate people being stupid like this So you actually think that during WWII the french only had 6 battles? Won 4 of them and still managed to be occupied for nearly 6 years? And you call others stupid? Love you too though... so true. WWII being a 4-2 win for france is quite funny if you know that they surrendered 6 weeks after germany started the war against them. I dont think the pols should say anything about surrending considering what happend with you wink:D Did it took more then a week? Anyway why we even having this discussion? Also it's stupid to even say things like this to begin with. The UK didn't surrender because invading an island is pretty damn hard. the USSR almost got fully taken over, but the winter hit and we all know the history of Russian winter warfare. And of course, the US/Canada/etc. were all across an ocean. It would be pretty much impossible to force them to surrender.
The usa showed us made japan surrender..across an ocean
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On January 30 2012 11:25 Taktik wrote:Show nested quote +
And alone on Westerplatte in Gdansk 200 polish soldiers managed to hold of the whole German army making them think there were over 5000 ppl there for a week, those guys did surrender though :-O
They had orders to defend for at least few hours, defended a week against much bigger forces, firepower from sea and air. well quite good but what is your point?
That they held for more than a day 
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On January 30 2012 11:18 OtterBomb wrote:
Agree with this - Kas is at least 1 hour ahead of France - maybe two? It's even later for him, but he's playing like the game matters to him. $3k is a lot more in Ukraine than in France.
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On January 30 2012 11:21 DOUDOU wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 11:18 OtterBomb wrote:
Agree with this - Kas is at least 1 hour ahead of France - maybe two? It's even later for him, but he's playing like the game matters to him. it does, kas probably needs the money stephano wants to play games against pros so he can get better no point playing when your eyes are failing you
Are you serious? I don't think the money is the issue here. Your whole reputation as a professional player is at stake. No account of any player in any sport has happened that just forfeited the finals coz he/she was sleepy. That just makes you look like a complete jackass.
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The usa showed us made japan surrender..across an ocean
japs just didnt want to get nuked again cant blame them
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On January 30 2012 11:06 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 11:03 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 30 2012 11:00 MrCash wrote:On January 30 2012 10:59 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 30 2012 10:56 MrCash wrote:On January 30 2012 10:55 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 30 2012 10:53 MrCash wrote:On January 30 2012 10:47 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 30 2012 10:45 Mackguy wrote:On January 30 2012 10:43 Jakkerr wrote:
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so u surrendered to tumba? :o more racist comments here That's not racism....>_> France isn't a race of people... Jesus.. It is a derogatory, baseless and ignorant statement. As well as being incredibly unprofessional. It's still not racist...>_> Peanuts, arguing over semantics? Wasting everyone's time, go read the dictionary, that's a more valuable use of time. The point isn't to decide which word is mots accurate describing the behavior, but whether it was wrong or not. It was very wrong. No, I'm not saying it was a good thing to say. I'm not saying it was professional. I'm just saying that it's not racism, because it's not racism...>_> My point is, as you continue to be oblivious to, is that that little sentiment is both silly and irrelevant. Taking away focus from the fact that it is still not okay, no matter what word you use to describe it. You're point is irrelevant to me. I noticed that someone said something that wasn't true. And so I told him he was wrong. I'm not making a comment on the situation. I'm saying that derogatory statements towards French people isn't racism. Than you can continue to be ignorant and argue about how commas and exclamation points need to be used for the rest of your life with random strangers. Never worry about what is actually said in the sentence where those marks are used.
I'm pretty sure I wasn't even talking to you. You instigated this entire exchange.
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On January 30 2012 11:24 OtterBomb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 11:21 DOUDOU wrote:On January 30 2012 11:18 OtterBomb wrote:
Agree with this - Kas is at least 1 hour ahead of France - maybe two? It's even later for him, but he's playing like the game matters to him. it does, kas probably needs the money stephano wants to play games against pros so he can get better no point playing when your eyes are failing you Good point, but I don't know why Nani gets shit when he acts like this, but Stephano gets less.
naniwa had the occasion to play a good match, but acted like he only care about prize
though i disagree with all the fuzz it has made
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On January 30 2012 11:15 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 11:11 VirGin wrote:On January 30 2012 10:59 MrCash wrote:On January 30 2012 10:58 IMStyle wrote:
the french have been forfeiting and losing wars all history. This is nothing special guys, move on. I suppose ignorance and stupidity is not limited to the United States. Lol dude what are you trying to accomplish? Look, everybody who has a little history knowledge knows this french surrendering thing is a myth and mostly a running internet joke. Don't be so pretentiousGet over yourself and laugh at something when its funny. =D It's not funny. It's funny if it was true, shit talking about bad things is what makes something funny. However going to an ugly person and being sarcastic and calling them beautiful is not funny. Same as going to a beautiful person and calling them ugly isn't funny. Both are just mean and stupid. Some enjoy these types of BS jokes, but they only promote more ignorance and stupidity. I don't know any decent people who enjoy these jokes, except those who aren't aware that they are not true. I know nice people who laugh at jokes about French surrendering, because they simply don't study history in their free time, they study their respective majors.
So going up to an ugly person and calling them ugly is funny? I completely disagree with you. Making fun of something that is true (which, sarcastically remarking on an ugly persons looks is btw, so your analogy fails there.) is much meaner, much more stupid and ignorant than making fun of something that's not true.
Heh. I suppose I disagree with your definition of funny. I thought several of the puns in this thread were funny. (But of course as always on the internet, stuff like this gets discussed for page after page after page, and it stopped being funny after the first 3 or 4.)
But I suppose I'm not a decent person.
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On January 30 2012 11:06 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 11:03 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 30 2012 11:00 MrCash wrote:On January 30 2012 10:59 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 30 2012 10:56 MrCash wrote:On January 30 2012 10:55 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 30 2012 10:53 MrCash wrote:On January 30 2012 10:47 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 30 2012 10:45 Mackguy wrote:On January 30 2012 10:43 Jakkerr wrote:
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so u surrendered to tumba? :o more racist comments here That's not racism....>_> France isn't a race of people... Jesus.. It is a derogatory, baseless and ignorant statement. As well as being incredibly unprofessional. It's still not racist...>_> Peanuts, arguing over semantics? Wasting everyone's time, go read the dictionary, that's a more valuable use of time. The point isn't to decide which word is mots accurate describing the behavior, but whether it was wrong or not. It was very wrong. No, I'm not saying it was a good thing to say. I'm not saying it was professional. I'm just saying that it's not racism, because it's not racism...>_> My point is, as you continue to be oblivious to, is that that little sentiment is both silly and irrelevant. Taking away focus from the fact that it is still not okay, no matter what word you use to describe it. You're point is irrelevant to me. I noticed that someone said something that wasn't true. And so I told him he was wrong. I'm not making a comment on the situation. I'm saying that derogatory statements towards French people isn't racism. Than you can continue to be ignorant and argue about how commas and exclamation points need to be used for the rest of your life with random strangers. Never worry about what is actually said in the sentence where those marks are used. Your point would be equally as valid and important. You are obviously not ignorant to the definition of racism, you are using it correctly. My point being is that is a very meaningless accomplishment compared to what is actually going on.
The actual issue at hand, isn't really that important. To that end, I care not to comment on it, the throwing around of a very important historical concept to play up an issue however, is something I care to comment on. You can't just go around calling everything racist...it devalues the actual concept..>_>
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"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." --- General George S. Patton
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Tournaments should start putting it in writing that you must play every match you are scheduled to or you are subject to disqualification. Idra should have been disqualified from IPL as well, even though his circumstances were much more understandable.
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On January 30 2012 11:26 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 11:21 DOUDOU wrote:On January 30 2012 11:18 OtterBomb wrote:
Agree with this - Kas is at least 1 hour ahead of France - maybe two? It's even later for him, but he's playing like the game matters to him. it does, kas probably needs the money stephano wants to play games against pros so he can get better no point playing when your eyes are failing you Are you serious? I don't think the money is the issue here. Your whole reputation as a professional player is at stake. No account of any player in any sport has happened that just forfeited the finals coz he/she was sleepy. That just makes you look like a complete jackass.
yeah, no sport ever delay matches because of bad conditions for the players....
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On January 30 2012 11:28 xrapture wrote:
"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." --- General George S. Patton
Not a real quote; sorry.
But it's not like the US was short on divisions to begin with. Behind every US division was another one, and another one, and another one, and another one...
And they didn't die as quickly as Soviet ones either. Getting through a tank line with actual ammunition is pretty hard.
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Why are we arguing WW2, and the fighting spirits of respective nations? This is a thread for a SC2 tournament!
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This thread has turned into a history lesson, just keep quiet if you dont have anything to say about the game or anyone involved in it.
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As far as I'm concerned, Stephano is raising money to pay his studies. So, if he decided to forfeit the tournament, his studies will show up how much money they need to stand.
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