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On January 30 2012 10:52 b0rt_ wrote:
This is ridiculous. In any sport if the opposing player forfeits a final then the other player wins....... but the forfeiting player doesn't then not come 2nd. Do these tournaments just make up rules as they go along?
Can you give me an example in any sport where a final was not played due to one player forfeiting? That sort of thing does not happen much if at all.
You do not do this sort of thing. Imagine a World Cup where in the finals one team forfeits. I wonder what would happen.
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Sad to see Stephano act in this manner. It seems that he has little respect for the people who put in the time to make sure a tourney like this can happen. The man should have known the repercussions of attending multiple tourneys in succession.
Also, the fact that this was the finals and he just waltzed off, very disturbing. I understand wanting to cut the guy some slack since it is late, but he should have known what he was signing up for. You don't see Kas complaining and it's pretty late for him as well.
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On January 30 2012 10:58 Therg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 10:52 vilg wrote:
Also I must add, that moving him to 4th place is an incredibly weird move. Deny him the reschedule I think was wrong, considering the finals is against Kas who is even more tired and would for sure have accepted - but this can be argued - but you can't just take away his placing. He got second in this tournament, you can't just move standings around as you please. At least not without taking a serious credibility hit. This is more a series of showmatches than a tournament now. QFT
I would partially agree. In theory the correct response for them is to give him his 2nd place and then just not invite him to future events. IMO players in invitationals have a duty to actually play it out as the invitation is a gift of sorts from the tournament organizers. They were invited to a tournament with (in some cases) guaranteed prize money because of their draw to fans and to help the organizers gain viewers. To ditch for any non-emergency reason is a slap in the face to the organizers who gave them their spot.
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On January 30 2012 11:07 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 11:05 MrMongo wrote:On January 30 2012 11:03 corpuscle wrote:On January 30 2012 11:00 MrMongo wrote:
Sadly I must tell you those are BATTLES not wars... just during WWII... apperently the french won 4 times and lost 2.... right so winning like twice as many battles as they've lost means they're bad at war. got it. I'm not even French I just fucking hate people being stupid like this So you actually think that during WWII the french only had 6 battles? Won 4 of them and still managed to be occupied for nearly 6 years? And you call others stupid? Love you too though... so true. WWII being a 4-2 win for france is quite funny if you know that they surrendered 6 weeks after germany started the war against them.
I dont think the pols should say anything about surrending considering what happend with you wink:D
Did it took more then a week?
Anyway why we even having this discussion?
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On January 30 2012 11:09 Xcobidoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 11:06 Bagration wrote:
Can we please stop arguing about France! What Stephano did, right or wrong, was the act of an individual, not an entire nation! This thread proves that the SC2-community is more like the LoL, CS etc. communities that they despise so much than we care to realize.
I am personally more appauled by the casters remark than by Stephano's actions.
I don't approve of what Stephano did, but I don't really care, it's something I'm not surprised he would do.
It's like being shocked that Idra didn't GG in a game. Stephano goes to his own beat.
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On January 30 2012 11:07 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 11:05 MrMongo wrote:On January 30 2012 11:03 corpuscle wrote:On January 30 2012 11:00 MrMongo wrote:
Sadly I must tell you those are BATTLES not wars... just during WWII... apperently the french won 4 times and lost 2.... right so winning like twice as many battles as they've lost means they're bad at war. got it. I'm not even French I just fucking hate people being stupid like this So you actually think that during WWII the french only had 6 battles? Won 4 of them and still managed to be occupied for nearly 6 years? And you call others stupid? Love you too though... so true. WWII being a 4-2 win for france is quite funny if you know that they surrendered 6 weeks after germany started the war against them.
Well, that was 5 weeks and 5 days more than Poland but sure I get your point. The French never wanted to fight with Germany and got caught with their pants down while still trying to negotiate peace.. heh
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On January 30 2012 10:59 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 10:58 IMStyle wrote:
the french have been forfeiting and losing wars all history. This is nothing special guys, move on. I suppose ignorance and stupidity is not limited to the United States.
Lol dude what are you trying to accomplish? Look, everybody who has a little history knowledge knows this french surrendering thing is a myth and mostly a running internet joke. Don't be so pretentiousGet over yourself and laugh at something when its funny. =D
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On January 30 2012 11:09 Xcobidoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 11:06 Bagration wrote:
Can we please stop arguing about France! What Stephano did, right or wrong, was the act of an individual, not an entire nation! This thread proves that the SC2-community is more like the LoL, CS etc. communities that they despise so much than we care to realize.
Lol some people take the internet too seriously...
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http://www.onenationofgamers.com/2012/01/regarding-stephano-situation/
Regarding Stephano Situation
Hello, this is Deric, the President of One Nation of Gamers. While we were gearing up to begin the 3rd place match, Stephano stated that it was too late for him to play and that he was going to be going to sleep. He gave us the ultimatium that if he can’t play another day he will forfeit the match and then logged off.
If One Nation of Gamers is going to work out and do our part to grow eSports, we have to be an organization that puts the fans first. Given that principle, I came to the decision to penalize Stephano and move him to 4th place, have Catz and Illusion play for 2nd/3rd, and have the victor play against Kas.
Everyone involved with One Nation of Gamers has worked incredibly hard -for months- to raise the $3,000 that we’ve put up for grabs. It’s not a lot to everyone, but it’s a lot to us and represents months of volunteer work. We decided to run this tournament to give back to eSports, we wanted to help the pros earn a little more and we wanted to provide some great content to the fans. We believe everyone deserves to see an appropriate final series for $1,500.
I realize this decision might be unpopular and I apologize profusely.
I'm incredibly disappointed in Stephano for this unprofessional behaviour. Didn't the organizers of the event waited for him to have his break after finishing the SCAN Invitational? He could at least drink a Redbull and stay up for the finals. I think he should have some respect. Read the statement above. This young organization deserves more love and ofc understanding from pro's like Stephano when it comes to delays or anything else. They're giving back to the pro's - as the result of months of volunteer work. This is incredible and I no longer have respect for Stephano and I dislike his superstar behavior...
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This ignorant tumba guy needs to never cast again. Disgraceful.
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On January 30 2012 11:09 AzureD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 10:52 b0rt_ wrote:
This is ridiculous. In any sport if the opposing player forfeits a final then the other player wins....... but the forfeiting player doesn't then not come 2nd. Do these tournaments just make up rules as they go along? Can you give me an example in any sport where a final was not played due to one player forfeiting? That sort of thing does not happen much if at all. You do not do this sort of thing. Imagine a World Cup where in the finals one team forfeits. I wonder what would happen.
they would be 2nd cause they won the semis?
maybe they wouldnt be able to play world cups for a period of time, but they wouldve still been 2nd in that particular tournament.
they shouldve done either of those things imo:
- disqualified stephano completely
- giving him rank 2 and kas the win of the tournament
- rescredule the game
those are the only reasonable decisions. Just cause its a barcraft tournament, you cannot make up silly rules in the middle of the tournament to have more games played out...
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TvT finals...where have I seen this before?
Go Illusion! Battle between two of the foreign scene's rising stars!
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On January 30 2012 11:11 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 11:07 KalWarkov wrote:On January 30 2012 11:05 MrMongo wrote:On January 30 2012 11:03 corpuscle wrote:On January 30 2012 11:00 MrMongo wrote:
Sadly I must tell you those are BATTLES not wars... just during WWII... apperently the french won 4 times and lost 2.... right so winning like twice as many battles as they've lost means they're bad at war. got it. I'm not even French I just fucking hate people being stupid like this So you actually think that during WWII the french only had 6 battles? Won 4 of them and still managed to be occupied for nearly 6 years? And you call others stupid? Love you too though... so true. WWII being a 4-2 win for france is quite funny if you know that they surrendered 6 weeks after germany started the war against them. I dont think the pols should say anything about surrending considering what happend with you wink:D Did it took more then a week? Anyway why we even having this discussion?
Also it's stupid to even say things like this to begin with. The UK didn't surrender because invading an island is pretty damn hard. the USSR almost got fully taken over, but the winter hit and we all know the history of Russian winter warfare. And of course, the US/Canada/etc. were all across an ocean. It would be pretty much impossible to force them to surrender.
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Im not sure i can stay awake for a TvT allmsot 3 am here. Hope to see some all-ins
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On January 30 2012 11:11 VirGin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 10:59 MrCash wrote:On January 30 2012 10:58 IMStyle wrote:
the french have been forfeiting and losing wars all history. This is nothing special guys, move on. I suppose ignorance and stupidity is not limited to the United States. Lol dude what are you trying to accomplish? Look, everybody who has a little history knowledge knows this french surrendering thing is a myth and mostly a running internet joke. Don't be so pretentiousGet over yourself and laugh at something when its funny. =D
It's not funny. It's funny if it was true, shit talking about bad things is what makes something funny.
However going to an ugly person and being sarcastic and calling them beautiful is not funny.
Same as going to a beautiful person and calling them ugly isn't funny.
Both are just mean and stupid. Some enjoy these types of BS jokes, but they only promote more ignorance and stupidity.
I don't know any decent people who enjoy these jokes, except those who aren't aware that they are not true.
I know nice people who laugh at jokes about French surrendering, because they simply don't study history in their free time, they study their respective majors.
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On January 30 2012 11:11 neo_sporin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 10:58 Therg wrote:On January 30 2012 10:52 vilg wrote:
Also I must add, that moving him to 4th place is an incredibly weird move. Deny him the reschedule I think was wrong, considering the finals is against Kas who is even more tired and would for sure have accepted - but this can be argued - but you can't just take away his placing. He got second in this tournament, you can't just move standings around as you please. At least not without taking a serious credibility hit. This is more a series of showmatches than a tournament now. QFT I would partially agree. In theory the correct response for them is to give him his 2nd place and then just not invite him to future events. IMO players in invitationals have a duty to actually play it out as the invitation is a gift of sorts from the tournament organizers. They were invited to a tournament with (in some cases) guaranteed prize money because of their draw to fans and to help the organizers gain viewers. To ditch for any non-emergency reason is a slap in the face to the organizers who gave them their spot.
I agree with this conclusion. Had it been a qualification tournament, then Stephano has his own rights to forfeit what HE put at stake into the tournament(time and money). This on the other hand is not the case, and if you're invited onto a red carpet in a tournament, I feel there are some social and moral obligations that need to be put into perspective, therefore the repercussions of pulling a move like this in an invite tournament should be far greater than another tournament. I can't fault ONOG for doing this, a bit drastic but effective.
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On January 30 2012 10:52 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 10:50 Torte de Lini wrote:On January 30 2012 10:47 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 30 2012 10:45 Mackguy wrote:On January 30 2012 10:43 Jakkerr wrote:On January 30 2012 10:42 Mackguy wrote:
I am french, and I don't like being insulted over the stream, I am out of here so u surrendered to tumba? :o more racist comments here That's not racism....>_> France isn't a race of people... Jesus.. Race is to be interpreted as ethnic group. Even that's not accurate.
Yes it is, you just don't understand the entirety of an ethnic.
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On January 30 2012 11:12 obsKura and some others wrote:
He could at least drink a Redbull and stay up for the finals.
not everyone wants to drink shit
On January 30 2012 11:09 AzureD wrote:You do not do this sort of thing. Imagine a World Cup where in the finals one team forfeits. I wonder what would happen.
ONOG isn't world cup
forfeiting in sports happens all the time
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Well since they aren't going to discuss this, odds for this game anyone? I am thinking like 4:1 Kas maybe. Discuss!
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its just weird. staying up for 2 more hours would've netted him 600 extra $. Starcraft is his job, why on earth would he forfeit out of a final?
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