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I think great players are actually good in all aspects (cheese, early aggression, mid game decision, macro, late game). Having all the elements in your game make your entire game so much stronger. Say you are a basketball player and you have a good 3 point shot, you will be good. But if that is all you have, the good teams will know and counter that. But if you work on your game and you can drive to the rim as well, it makes your 3 pointer so much more dangerous because players can't just use one defense.
Same with SC2, having good cheese makes the opponent have to play more defensive and you can macro faster. Having good macro also makes your cheese/early aggression better because opponents will feel they need to cut corners in their build in order to keep up with your macro. I think you saw that with the game with MC and fOrGG on Belshir today. MC went 3 gate robo eventhough he saw a fast expand build from fOrGG because he just lost to Supernova's banshee (I know it is different player but I am sure it had an effect). So fOrGG's fast third wasn't punished and he had a macro advantage.
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On January 10 2012 22:23 Grend wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:18 Fionn wrote:On January 10 2012 22:17 AnTiX wrote:On January 10 2012 10:09 SkullZ9 wrote:On January 10 2012 09:39 AnTiX wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7gVpE.png) If you seriously boycott the GSL for the Naniwa incident, you're an idiot cause he has himself admitted his fault and decided to not participate in this season by choice... So for the record, I am not a Hardcore Naniwa fan. I respect him that's all. I am not boycotting the all season of GSL just the first one. I am currently aware that Naniwa admitted his fault. I find myself his comportment childish but comprehensible. GSL could have punish him financially, because he embarrassed them on TV and show a lack of respect. But their decision to punish him in a sport manner is just wrong. By doing that I see a message "Hey we do what we want. This is our tournament, so behave yourself". I can't approve that. This is not their tournament, this is our. Like Naniwa, GomTV owe us some respect. With their arbitrarily decision to revoke code S spot to Naniwa, without him breaking any rules, they disrespect the sport. We don't watch GSL because it's GSL. We watch GSL, because it's a sport competition with the best player. With their decision, they compromise the competition. I can't approve that. By boycotting the first GSL of 2012 (and I hope I am not the only one), I remind GomTV they have to behave themselves. They have to respect the competition, it's not their tournament, it's our. No, it's their tournament. You do understand that what he means is that we are paying for the tournament right? Not saying he is right but your comment is pretty useless too.
You're right, when I pay to watch the Lakers and Kobe was given a technical foul for whining a have a right to make the shots. If a "paying customer" like me would be not be in command of the penalties that would be disrespectful of the NBA to ignore my personal thoughts. The paying customers make up the sport so what we feel is right should be followed.
/endsarcasm
/endsarcasm
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On January 10 2012 22:26 vndods wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:24 Seraphone wrote:
I thought todays games were slightly underwhelming given the stacked lineup. the TvZ's were great but Supernova vs MC, ForGG vs MC and Leenock vs MC were quite poor series. it's what happens when MC is playing. Very prone to all inning and short games.
Meh myth, MC has given some of the best games of 2011. Look it up.
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On January 10 2012 22:33 Fjodorov wrote:
MC did the right thing, he plays to win. But the strategy mc used might be a bit to powerful considering how easy it is to pull off. He will always destroy the 3rd base at minimun while most pro zergs obviously feel they need 3 base to handle ffe. Dunno, but the match up of PvZ just lacks something.
Have you watched game 2 or did you close your eyes the whole game?
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On January 10 2012 22:38 Jigsetcza wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:23 Grend wrote:On January 10 2012 22:18 Fionn wrote:On January 10 2012 22:17 AnTiX wrote:On January 10 2012 10:09 SkullZ9 wrote:On January 10 2012 09:39 AnTiX wrote: If you seriously boycott the GSL for the Naniwa incident, you're an idiot cause he has himself admitted his fault and decided to not participate in this season by choice... So for the record, I am not a Hardcore Naniwa fan. I respect him that's all. I am not boycotting the all season of GSL just the first one. I am currently aware that Naniwa admitted his fault. I find myself his comportment childish but comprehensible. GSL could have punish him financially, because he embarrassed them on TV and show a lack of respect. But their decision to punish him in a sport manner is just wrong. By doing that I see a message "Hey we do what we want. This is our tournament, so behave yourself". I can't approve that. This is not their tournament, this is our. Like Naniwa, GomTV owe us some respect. With their arbitrarily decision to revoke code S spot to Naniwa, without him breaking any rules, they disrespect the sport. We don't watch GSL because it's GSL. We watch GSL, because it's a sport competition with the best player. With their decision, they compromise the competition. I can't approve that. By boycotting the first GSL of 2012 (and I hope I am not the only one), I remind GomTV they have to behave themselves. They have to respect the competition, it's not their tournament, it's our. No, it's their tournament. You do understand that what he means is that we are paying for the tournament right? Not saying he is right but your comment is pretty useless too. You're right, when I pay to watch the Lakers and Kobe was given a technical foul for whining a have a right to make the shots. If a "paying customer" like me would be not be in command of the penalties that would be disrespectful of the NBA to ignore my personal thoughts. The paying customers make up the sport so what we feel is right should be followed. /endsarcasm /endsarcasm
I got a season ticket for The Arsenal so I get to pick the team right?
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On January 10 2012 22:38 Jigsetcza wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:23 Grend wrote:On January 10 2012 22:18 Fionn wrote:On January 10 2012 22:17 AnTiX wrote:On January 10 2012 10:09 SkullZ9 wrote:On January 10 2012 09:39 AnTiX wrote: If you seriously boycott the GSL for the Naniwa incident, you're an idiot cause he has himself admitted his fault and decided to not participate in this season by choice... So for the record, I am not a Hardcore Naniwa fan. I respect him that's all. I am not boycotting the all season of GSL just the first one. I am currently aware that Naniwa admitted his fault. I find myself his comportment childish but comprehensible. GSL could have punish him financially, because he embarrassed them on TV and show a lack of respect. But their decision to punish him in a sport manner is just wrong. By doing that I see a message "Hey we do what we want. This is our tournament, so behave yourself". I can't approve that. This is not their tournament, this is our. Like Naniwa, GomTV owe us some respect. With their arbitrarily decision to revoke code S spot to Naniwa, without him breaking any rules, they disrespect the sport. We don't watch GSL because it's GSL. We watch GSL, because it's a sport competition with the best player. With their decision, they compromise the competition. I can't approve that. By boycotting the first GSL of 2012 (and I hope I am not the only one), I remind GomTV they have to behave themselves. They have to respect the competition, it's not their tournament, it's our. No, it's their tournament. You do understand that what he means is that we are paying for the tournament right? Not saying he is right but your comment is pretty useless too. You're right, when I pay to watch the Lakers and Kobe was given a technical foul for whining a have a right to make the shots. If a "paying customer" like me would be not be in command of the penalties that would be disrespectful of the NBA to ignore my personal thoughts. The paying customers make up the sport so what we feel is right should be followed. /endsarcasm /endsarcasm
Doesn't ending sarcasm twice make it turn back on?
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zerg's been having a hard time since november, especially in korea
both matchups below 45% winrate
code s spots went from 7 to 8 to 7 after revamp which was supposed to even out racial representation (both gom seed went to zergs so it's 9 atm)
hopefully some of the remaining zerg's have new build or approaches to the matchup
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On January 10 2012 22:38 Jigsetcza wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:23 Grend wrote:On January 10 2012 22:18 Fionn wrote:On January 10 2012 22:17 AnTiX wrote:On January 10 2012 10:09 SkullZ9 wrote:On January 10 2012 09:39 AnTiX wrote: If you seriously boycott the GSL for the Naniwa incident, you're an idiot cause he has himself admitted his fault and decided to not participate in this season by choice... So for the record, I am not a Hardcore Naniwa fan. I respect him that's all. I am not boycotting the all season of GSL just the first one. I am currently aware that Naniwa admitted his fault. I find myself his comportment childish but comprehensible. GSL could have punish him financially, because he embarrassed them on TV and show a lack of respect. But their decision to punish him in a sport manner is just wrong. By doing that I see a message "Hey we do what we want. This is our tournament, so behave yourself". I can't approve that. This is not their tournament, this is our. Like Naniwa, GomTV owe us some respect. With their arbitrarily decision to revoke code S spot to Naniwa, without him breaking any rules, they disrespect the sport. We don't watch GSL because it's GSL. We watch GSL, because it's a sport competition with the best player. With their decision, they compromise the competition. I can't approve that. By boycotting the first GSL of 2012 (and I hope I am not the only one), I remind GomTV they have to behave themselves. They have to respect the competition, it's not their tournament, it's our. No, it's their tournament. You do understand that what he means is that we are paying for the tournament right? Not saying he is right but your comment is pretty useless too. You're right, when I pay to watch the Lakers and Kobe was given a technical foul for whining a have a right to make the shots. If a "paying customer" like me would be not be in command of the penalties that would be disrespectful of the NBA to ignore my personal thoughts. The paying customers make up the sport so what we feel is right should be followed. /endsarcasm /endsarcasm
I don't understand the bolded.
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Guess you could say...
he didn't play for gg.
Seriously though... 
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On January 10 2012 22:39 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:38 Jigsetcza wrote:On January 10 2012 22:23 Grend wrote:On January 10 2012 22:18 Fionn wrote:On January 10 2012 22:17 AnTiX wrote:On January 10 2012 10:09 SkullZ9 wrote:On January 10 2012 09:39 AnTiX wrote: If you seriously boycott the GSL for the Naniwa incident, you're an idiot cause he has himself admitted his fault and decided to not participate in this season by choice... So for the record, I am not a Hardcore Naniwa fan. I respect him that's all. I am not boycotting the all season of GSL just the first one. I am currently aware that Naniwa admitted his fault. I find myself his comportment childish but comprehensible. GSL could have punish him financially, because he embarrassed them on TV and show a lack of respect. But their decision to punish him in a sport manner is just wrong. By doing that I see a message "Hey we do what we want. This is our tournament, so behave yourself". I can't approve that. This is not their tournament, this is our. Like Naniwa, GomTV owe us some respect. With their arbitrarily decision to revoke code S spot to Naniwa, without him breaking any rules, they disrespect the sport. We don't watch GSL because it's GSL. We watch GSL, because it's a sport competition with the best player. With their decision, they compromise the competition. I can't approve that. By boycotting the first GSL of 2012 (and I hope I am not the only one), I remind GomTV they have to behave themselves. They have to respect the competition, it's not their tournament, it's our. No, it's their tournament. You do understand that what he means is that we are paying for the tournament right? Not saying he is right but your comment is pretty useless too. You're right, when I pay to watch the Lakers and Kobe was given a technical foul for whining a have a right to make the shots. If a "paying customer" like me would be not be in command of the penalties that would be disrespectful of the NBA to ignore my personal thoughts. The paying customers make up the sport so what we feel is right should be followed. /endsarcasm /endsarcasm Doesn't ending sarcasm twice make it turn back on?
Apparently it did.
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On January 10 2012 22:15 yawnoC wrote:... 2/ 3
Seriously Forgg can make it to ro16 if he did not have to play Leenock and Mc.
He was the only one today did not cheese Mc and that alone was impressive.
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On January 10 2012 22:40 deadmau wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:38 Jigsetcza wrote:On January 10 2012 22:23 Grend wrote:On January 10 2012 22:18 Fionn wrote:On January 10 2012 22:17 AnTiX wrote:On January 10 2012 10:09 SkullZ9 wrote:On January 10 2012 09:39 AnTiX wrote: If you seriously boycott the GSL for the Naniwa incident, you're an idiot cause he has himself admitted his fault and decided to not participate in this season by choice... So for the record, I am not a Hardcore Naniwa fan. I respect him that's all. I am not boycotting the all season of GSL just the first one. I am currently aware that Naniwa admitted his fault. I find myself his comportment childish but comprehensible. GSL could have punish him financially, because he embarrassed them on TV and show a lack of respect. But their decision to punish him in a sport manner is just wrong. By doing that I see a message "Hey we do what we want. This is our tournament, so behave yourself". I can't approve that. This is not their tournament, this is our. Like Naniwa, GomTV owe us some respect. With their arbitrarily decision to revoke code S spot to Naniwa, without him breaking any rules, they disrespect the sport. We don't watch GSL because it's GSL. We watch GSL, because it's a sport competition with the best player. With their decision, they compromise the competition. I can't approve that. By boycotting the first GSL of 2012 (and I hope I am not the only one), I remind GomTV they have to behave themselves. They have to respect the competition, it's not their tournament, it's our. No, it's their tournament. You do understand that what he means is that we are paying for the tournament right? Not saying he is right but your comment is pretty useless too. You're right, when I pay to watch the Lakers and Kobe was given a technical foul for whining a have a right to make the shots. If a "paying customer" like me would be not be in command of the penalties that would be disrespectful of the NBA to ignore my personal thoughts. The paying customers make up the sport so what we feel is right should be followed. /endsarcasm /endsarcasm I don't understand the bolded.
Switch "a" with "i". Common sense is not so common am I right?
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On January 10 2012 22:40 Tsubbi wrote:
zerg's been having a hard time since november, especially in korea
both matchups below 45% winrate
code s spots went from 7 to 8 to 7 after revamp which was supposed to even out racial representation (both gom seed went to zergs so it's 9 atm)
hopefully some of the remaining zerg's have new build or approaches to the matchup
Thanks for your input, but you shouldn't really discuss balance in a LR thread.
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jang Min Chul is the president!!!
MC was, is and will be the protoss hope until finally someone steps up.
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On January 10 2012 22:25 bigbeau wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:21 Biane wrote:On January 10 2012 22:20 Ryncol wrote:On January 10 2012 22:19 bigbeau wrote:On January 10 2012 22:17 AnTiX wrote:On January 10 2012 10:09 SkullZ9 wrote:On January 10 2012 09:39 AnTiX wrote: If you seriously boycott the GSL for the Naniwa incident, you're an idiot cause he has himself admitted his fault and decided to not participate in this season by choice... So for the record, I am not a Hardcore Naniwa fan. I respect him that's all. I am not boycotting the all season of GSL just the first one. I am currently aware that Naniwa admitted his fault. I find myself his comportment childish but comprehensible. GSL could have punish him financially, because he embarrassed them on TV and show a lack of respect. But their decision to punish him in a sport manner is just wrong. By doing that I see a message "Hey we do what we want. This is our tournament, so behave yourself". I can't approve that. This is not their tournament, this is our. Like Naniwa, GomTV owe us some respect. With their arbitrarily decision to revoke code S spot to Naniwa, without him breaking any rules, they disrespect the sport. We don't watch GSL because it's GSL. We watch GSL, because it's a sport competition with the best player. With their decision, they compromise the competition. I can't approve that. By boycotting the first GSL of 2012 (and I hope I am not the only one), I remind GomTV they have to behave themselves. They have to respect the competition, it's not their tournament, it's our. Yep. I am too, and for the same reason. I can't support a league that arbitrarily bans players for not even breaking an actual rule. Naniwa wasn't banned, he could've qualified through Code A if he wanted to. We don't need any more of these discussions but people saying that Naniwa was 'banned' just shows how ignorant of the whole situation they are. I didn't mean banned like kicked out, but if you believe that they didn't rob him of his EARNED code S seed just because they fed some bullshit about how they hadn't chosen the seeds and the way they were going to give code S seeds magically changed for 2012 when MLG didnt even know about it yet... then idk what to tell you besides read between the lines. Also keeping up with the results doesn't support them so idc
If reading between between the lines mean seeing things the way YOU want to see (or interpret them as YOU see fit), then i rather not read between the lines. After all, everything in life that doesn't go YOUR way, must be a conspiracy....right? (and if it does go YOUR way, all is fine and other people who disagree are just paranoid idiots). Arguing about this "gomtv conspiracy" just isn't going to get anyways, most of which is just opinionated anyways.
Besides, if you're going to start an arguments, at least get your facts right the first time round. telling me that "bans" =/= kicked out unable to requalify ever again, isn't the right way to maintain the cohesiveness of your point.
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On January 10 2012 22:15 pPingu wrote:
MC!!!
Still wonder how he would have performed if he didn't go to HSC
He would kill Supernova and 2-0 Leenock for sure !!!
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On January 10 2012 22:39 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:38 Jigsetcza wrote:On January 10 2012 22:23 Grend wrote:On January 10 2012 22:18 Fionn wrote:On January 10 2012 22:17 AnTiX wrote:On January 10 2012 10:09 SkullZ9 wrote:On January 10 2012 09:39 AnTiX wrote: If you seriously boycott the GSL for the Naniwa incident, you're an idiot cause he has himself admitted his fault and decided to not participate in this season by choice... So for the record, I am not a Hardcore Naniwa fan. I respect him that's all. I am not boycotting the all season of GSL just the first one. I am currently aware that Naniwa admitted his fault. I find myself his comportment childish but comprehensible. GSL could have punish him financially, because he embarrassed them on TV and show a lack of respect. But their decision to punish him in a sport manner is just wrong. By doing that I see a message "Hey we do what we want. This is our tournament, so behave yourself". I can't approve that. This is not their tournament, this is our. Like Naniwa, GomTV owe us some respect. With their arbitrarily decision to revoke code S spot to Naniwa, without him breaking any rules, they disrespect the sport. We don't watch GSL because it's GSL. We watch GSL, because it's a sport competition with the best player. With their decision, they compromise the competition. I can't approve that. By boycotting the first GSL of 2012 (and I hope I am not the only one), I remind GomTV they have to behave themselves. They have to respect the competition, it's not their tournament, it's our. No, it's their tournament. You do understand that what he means is that we are paying for the tournament right? Not saying he is right but your comment is pretty useless too. You're right, when I pay to watch the Lakers and Kobe was given a technical foul for whining a have a right to make the shots. If a "paying customer" like me would be not be in command of the penalties that would be disrespectful of the NBA to ignore my personal thoughts. The paying customers make up the sport so what we feel is right should be followed. /endsarcasm /endsarcasm Doesn't ending sarcasm twice make it turn back on?
LIES! The second line of /endsarcasm have no pointers so its nulled. 
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On January 10 2012 22:38 Jigsetcza wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:23 Grend wrote:On January 10 2012 22:18 Fionn wrote:On January 10 2012 22:17 AnTiX wrote:On January 10 2012 10:09 SkullZ9 wrote:On January 10 2012 09:39 AnTiX wrote: If you seriously boycott the GSL for the Naniwa incident, you're an idiot cause he has himself admitted his fault and decided to not participate in this season by choice... So for the record, I am not a Hardcore Naniwa fan. I respect him that's all. I am not boycotting the all season of GSL just the first one. I am currently aware that Naniwa admitted his fault. I find myself his comportment childish but comprehensible. GSL could have punish him financially, because he embarrassed them on TV and show a lack of respect. But their decision to punish him in a sport manner is just wrong. By doing that I see a message "Hey we do what we want. This is our tournament, so behave yourself". I can't approve that. This is not their tournament, this is our. Like Naniwa, GomTV owe us some respect. With their arbitrarily decision to revoke code S spot to Naniwa, without him breaking any rules, they disrespect the sport. We don't watch GSL because it's GSL. We watch GSL, because it's a sport competition with the best player. With their decision, they compromise the competition. I can't approve that. By boycotting the first GSL of 2012 (and I hope I am not the only one), I remind GomTV they have to behave themselves. They have to respect the competition, it's not their tournament, it's our. No, it's their tournament. You do understand that what he means is that we are paying for the tournament right? Not saying he is right but your comment is pretty useless too. You're right, when I pay to watch the Lakers and Kobe was given a technical foul for whining a have a right to make the shots. If a "paying customer" like me would be not be in command of the penalties that would be disrespectful of the NBA to ignore my personal thoughts. The paying customers make up the sport so what we feel is right should be followed. /endsarcasm /endsarcasm
I was done posting about this, but your analogy was so awful I just have to correct it.
It's more like paying for NBATV then watching the playoffs where the teams play bo7s. The lakers are playing and are down 4-0 vs the Mavericks (meaning they cannot advance), but instead of going home, the NBA forces the lakers to continue playing games vs the mavericks. They do not try whatsoever because they have already lost, and now the NBA punishes the Lakers for the next season because they didnt try in games that had no meaning and should not have been played.
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On January 10 2012 22:35 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:30 nomatch353 wrote:On January 10 2012 22:22 Markwerf wrote:On January 10 2012 22:16 jkos86 wrote:On January 10 2012 22:15 TheHova wrote:
Nobody uses FF better than MC. Great execution of the 7gate this indeed wasn't a great execution at all, he was super late. The window for leenock to have prepared better was huge, leenock just screwed up bigtime by not preparing properly. Such a 7 gate attack should really come sooner with +1 attack only, +1 armor is utterly useless against roaches and mc should have had way less zealots. That was leenock's game to lose and he did so, a simple rush to burrow while delaying the push would have easily won him the game, it's really easy to abuse burrow against almost pure zealot/sentry like MC had. Leenock played awful the entire series against MC as if he is somehow afraid of playing a proper game against protoss. I have never seen a zerg having burrow at 8.30 Exactly, people keep saying "get burrow". What if MC had void rays or DT's with that attack? Leenock only saw the zealots. It's impossible to have burrow that fast when going for 3 quick bases anyway. Even if he had burrow, you need at least 15 roaches to make use of it properly. I think Leenock did the correct response, and again, even Artosis agreed with it and was sure that MC's push will fail.
uhh it's really easy for zerg to know if the push has voids or dt's with it, you can simply scout the natural gasses and the spinning forge + cyber. Leenock should have seen fast upgrades on forge + chrono on cyber thus he can conclude at least gateway pressure, which coupled with late gasses at natural means either mass gateway allin or zealot + void pressure. DT or anything simply not possible quickly with that setup for toss and doesn't even matter. Either way if toss pressures with +1 on forge you want roaches.
Now if it's just zealot + void pressure you simply defend with roaches queens and spores, same way against gateway + dt's by the way. If it's 7 gate it get's a bit trickier against someone with MC's control as you'll need burrow but guess what, burrow is quite cheap and with MC's 7 gate coming REALLY late it would have been easy to have.
Leenock started off right with his defense but failed to make enough roaches nor did he get burrow thus he just lost hard. MC didn't perform it greatly, was just alright.
MC just relies on his 2 base timings WAY too much, if he meets zergs that won't screw up so much he will just die hard. Leenock is a great Z player but just not in ZvP.
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On January 10 2012 22:42 bigbeau wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:38 Jigsetcza wrote:On January 10 2012 22:23 Grend wrote:On January 10 2012 22:18 Fionn wrote:On January 10 2012 22:17 AnTiX wrote:On January 10 2012 10:09 SkullZ9 wrote:On January 10 2012 09:39 AnTiX wrote: If you seriously boycott the GSL for the Naniwa incident, you're an idiot cause he has himself admitted his fault and decided to not participate in this season by choice... So for the record, I am not a Hardcore Naniwa fan. I respect him that's all. I am not boycotting the all season of GSL just the first one. I am currently aware that Naniwa admitted his fault. I find myself his comportment childish but comprehensible. GSL could have punish him financially, because he embarrassed them on TV and show a lack of respect. But their decision to punish him in a sport manner is just wrong. By doing that I see a message "Hey we do what we want. This is our tournament, so behave yourself". I can't approve that. This is not their tournament, this is our. Like Naniwa, GomTV owe us some respect. With their arbitrarily decision to revoke code S spot to Naniwa, without him breaking any rules, they disrespect the sport. We don't watch GSL because it's GSL. We watch GSL, because it's a sport competition with the best player. With their decision, they compromise the competition. I can't approve that. By boycotting the first GSL of 2012 (and I hope I am not the only one), I remind GomTV they have to behave themselves. They have to respect the competition, it's not their tournament, it's our. No, it's their tournament. You do understand that what he means is that we are paying for the tournament right? Not saying he is right but your comment is pretty useless too. You're right, when I pay to watch the Lakers and Kobe was given a technical foul for whining a have a right to make the shots. If a "paying customer" like me would be not be in command of the penalties that would be disrespectful of the NBA to ignore my personal thoughts. The paying customers make up the sport so what we feel is right should be followed. /endsarcasm /endsarcasm I was done posting about this, but your analogy was so awful I just have to correct it. It's more like paying for NBATV then watching the playoffs where the teams play bo7s. The lakers are playing and are down 4-0 vs the Mavericks (meaning they cannot advance), but instead of going home, the NBA forces the lakers to continue playing games vs the mavericks. They do not try whatsoever because they have already lost, and now the NBA punishes the Lakers for the next season because they didnt try in games that had no meaning and should not have been played.
Wow you are so good at analogies. Read the quote before my post please.
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