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On January 16 2012 05:32 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 05:30 casualman wrote:
Stephano relies on his unorthodox playstyle to really excel. This I feel is the crux of his lack of success in Korea. If one is not taken by surprise by his fast hive tech broodlord style, it becomes really easy to deal with, but if one is taken by surprise Stephano gains a massive advantage. His style is just a coinflip. I disagree, this game was lost by Thorzains lack of scouting. When playing TvZ you must always try to scout for the Hive and Lair timming to either hit with a nice timming before that(Which Tzain almost did this game) or to be prepared. This loss was more Tzains fault than anything
That's the point I was trying to make. Stephano played hoping his opponent wouldn't scout him, as if he was scouted it would put him pretty far behind.
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keep watching or go ladder........
its an interesting (but long) series so far, but as a toss player, theres only so much TvZ you can watch.
I just really dont want stephano to win, maybe staying and cheering for thorzain will help me win :D
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On January 16 2012 05:30 casualman wrote:
Stephano relies on his unorthodox playstyle to really excel. This I feel is the crux of his lack of success in Korea. If one is not taken by surprise by his fast hive tech broodlord style, it becomes really easy to deal with, but if one is taken by surprise Stephano gains a massive advantage. His style is just a coinflip.
how old are..I mean what ??!
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On January 16 2012 05:30 casualman wrote:
Stephano relies on his unorthodox playstyle to really excel. This I feel is the crux of his lack of success in Korea. If one is not taken by surprise by his fast hive tech broodlord style, it becomes really easy to deal with, but if one is taken by surprise Stephano gains a massive advantage. His style is just a coinflip.
Not really, as he goes for heavy upgraded lings/infestor/ultra as well. If you try to prepare for brood AND ultra you're skimping on tanks and then he just makes a bit more lings and banes as he did in this game and rolls around blowing up ghosts.
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On January 16 2012 05:30 casualman wrote:
Stephano relies on his unorthodox playstyle to really excel. This I feel is the crux of his lack of success in Korea. If one is not taken by surprise by his fast hive tech broodlord style, it becomes really easy to deal with, but if one is taken by surprise Stephano gains a massive advantage. His style is just a coinflip.
Lack of success in Korea? He only played 4 bo1 games there ... won vs Hero and DRG, lost to Mvp and MC.
That's a very small sample of games to say that he lacked success.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On January 16 2012 05:33 gwixter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 05:30 casualman wrote:
Stephano relies on his unorthodox playstyle to really excel. This I feel is the crux of his lack of success in Korea. If one is not taken by surprise by his fast hive tech broodlord style, it becomes really easy to deal with, but if one is taken by surprise Stephano gains a massive advantage. His style is just a coinflip. wtf are you talking about? not winning Blizzard Cup is lack of success? and since when is fast hive his only style? you read all this crap out of this one game?
I don't see what is so outrageous about saying Stephano is a player who people find proportionally harder to play against because he has his own style? That's not to say he is gimmicky, or doesn't have good gamesense or mechanics behind it, but his unorthodox styles make beating him even harder.
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On January 16 2012 05:33 casualman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 05:32 windsupernova wrote:On January 16 2012 05:30 casualman wrote:
Stephano relies on his unorthodox playstyle to really excel. This I feel is the crux of his lack of success in Korea. If one is not taken by surprise by his fast hive tech broodlord style, it becomes really easy to deal with, but if one is taken by surprise Stephano gains a massive advantage. His style is just a coinflip. I disagree, this game was lost by Thorzains lack of scouting. When playing TvZ you must always try to scout for the Hive and Lair timming to either hit with a nice timming before that(Which Tzain almost did this game) or to be prepared. This loss was more Tzains fault than anything That's the point I was trying to make. Stephano played hoping his opponent wouldn't scout him, as if he was scouted it would put him pretty far behind.
No he didnt he played thorzain not the matchup. Thorzain is called the spoon for a reason. So there was like a 90% chance that thorzain would just macro up and go for late game with slow pushes.
Nothing about coinflip. Stephano rarely plays this way but its very smart vs Thorzain
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Wooow almost 50k viewers. That is crazy. Crazy good, that is 
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On January 16 2012 05:35 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 05:33 casualman wrote:On January 16 2012 05:32 windsupernova wrote:On January 16 2012 05:30 casualman wrote:
Stephano relies on his unorthodox playstyle to really excel. This I feel is the crux of his lack of success in Korea. If one is not taken by surprise by his fast hive tech broodlord style, it becomes really easy to deal with, but if one is taken by surprise Stephano gains a massive advantage. His style is just a coinflip. I disagree, this game was lost by Thorzains lack of scouting. When playing TvZ you must always try to scout for the Hive and Lair timming to either hit with a nice timming before that(Which Tzain almost did this game) or to be prepared. This loss was more Tzains fault than anything That's the point I was trying to make. Stephano played hoping his opponent wouldn't scout him, as if he was scouted it would put him pretty far behind. No he didnt he played thorzain not the matchup. Thorzain is called the spoon for a reason. So there was like a 90% chance that thorzain would just macro up and go for late game with slow pushes. Nothing about coinflip. Stephano rarely plays this way but its very smart vs Thorzain since it will force him to attack
Yes I agree with you. But stephano does like infestor ling into fast hive in this matchup doesn't he?
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On January 16 2012 05:34 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 05:33 gwixter wrote:On January 16 2012 05:30 casualman wrote:
Stephano relies on his unorthodox playstyle to really excel. This I feel is the crux of his lack of success in Korea. If one is not taken by surprise by his fast hive tech broodlord style, it becomes really easy to deal with, but if one is taken by surprise Stephano gains a massive advantage. His style is just a coinflip. wtf are you talking about? not winning Blizzard Cup is lack of success? and since when is fast hive his only style? you read all this crap out of this one game? I don't see what is so outrageous about saying Stephano is a player who people find proportionally harder to play against because he has his own style? That's not to say he is gimmicky, or doesn't have good gamesense or mechanics behind it, but his unorthodox styles make beating him even harder.
I agree, also maybe his style is just more solid than the majority of other zerg players? It definitely seems like it.
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On January 16 2012 05:37 casualman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 05:35 HappyChris wrote:On January 16 2012 05:33 casualman wrote:On January 16 2012 05:32 windsupernova wrote:On January 16 2012 05:30 casualman wrote:
Stephano relies on his unorthodox playstyle to really excel. This I feel is the crux of his lack of success in Korea. If one is not taken by surprise by his fast hive tech broodlord style, it becomes really easy to deal with, but if one is taken by surprise Stephano gains a massive advantage. His style is just a coinflip. I disagree, this game was lost by Thorzains lack of scouting. When playing TvZ you must always try to scout for the Hive and Lair timming to either hit with a nice timming before that(Which Tzain almost did this game) or to be prepared. This loss was more Tzains fault than anything That's the point I was trying to make. Stephano played hoping his opponent wouldn't scout him, as if he was scouted it would put him pretty far behind. No he didnt he played thorzain not the matchup. Thorzain is called the spoon for a reason. So there was like a 90% chance that thorzain would just macro up and go for late game with slow pushes. Nothing about coinflip. Stephano rarely plays this way but its very smart vs Thorzain since it will force him to attack Yes I agree with you. But stephano does like infestor ling into fast hive in this matchup doesn't he?
Not fast hive fast infestor and upgraded lings then followed by ultra/broodlords. It really depends on the opponent if it goes fast or l8t. I seen him stay with only lings and infestors for a very long time and just trying to trade armies
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On January 16 2012 05:34 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 05:33 gwixter wrote:On January 16 2012 05:30 casualman wrote:
Stephano relies on his unorthodox playstyle to really excel. This I feel is the crux of his lack of success in Korea. If one is not taken by surprise by his fast hive tech broodlord style, it becomes really easy to deal with, but if one is taken by surprise Stephano gains a massive advantage. His style is just a coinflip. wtf are you talking about? not winning Blizzard Cup is lack of success? and since when is fast hive his only style? you read all this crap out of this one game? I don't see what is so outrageous about saying Stephano is a player who people find proportionally harder to play against because he has his own style? That's not to say he is gimmicky, or doesn't have good gamesense or mechanics behind it, but his unorthodox styles make beating him even harder. I don't see why is his play so unorthodox ... just because he refuses to play mutaling every other game like every other zerg?
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any1 else suddenly having lags every 5 seconds?
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On January 16 2012 05:35 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 05:33 casualman wrote:On January 16 2012 05:32 windsupernova wrote:On January 16 2012 05:30 casualman wrote:
Stephano relies on his unorthodox playstyle to really excel. This I feel is the crux of his lack of success in Korea. If one is not taken by surprise by his fast hive tech broodlord style, it becomes really easy to deal with, but if one is taken by surprise Stephano gains a massive advantage. His style is just a coinflip. I disagree, this game was lost by Thorzains lack of scouting. When playing TvZ you must always try to scout for the Hive and Lair timming to either hit with a nice timming before that(Which Tzain almost did this game) or to be prepared. This loss was more Tzains fault than anything That's the point I was trying to make. Stephano played hoping his opponent wouldn't scout him, as if he was scouted it would put him pretty far behind. No he didnt he played thorzain not the matchup. Thorzain is called the spoon for a reason. So there was like a 90% chance that thorzain would just macro up and go for late game with slow pushes. Nothing about coinflip. Stephano rarely plays this way but its very smart vs Thorzain
Stephano did hold back Thorzain's timing before greater spire was up. He killed the majority of Thorzain's forces without broodlords which was the seal on the game afterwards.
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On January 16 2012 05:39 gwixter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 05:34 Wombat_NI wrote:On January 16 2012 05:33 gwixter wrote:On January 16 2012 05:30 casualman wrote:
Stephano relies on his unorthodox playstyle to really excel. This I feel is the crux of his lack of success in Korea. If one is not taken by surprise by his fast hive tech broodlord style, it becomes really easy to deal with, but if one is taken by surprise Stephano gains a massive advantage. His style is just a coinflip. wtf are you talking about? not winning Blizzard Cup is lack of success? and since when is fast hive his only style? you read all this crap out of this one game? I don't see what is so outrageous about saying Stephano is a player who people find proportionally harder to play against because he has his own style? That's not to say he is gimmicky, or doesn't have good gamesense or mechanics behind it, but his unorthodox styles make beating him even harder. I don't see why is his play so unorthodox ... just because he refuses to play mutaling every other game like every other zerg?
That's the definition of unorthodox, deviating from the majority.
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On January 16 2012 05:39 Black Gun wrote:
any1 else suddenly having lags every 5 seconds?
Not right now but happened to me earlier today (only image though, sound was ok strangely)....
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On January 16 2012 05:37 duct_TAPE wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 05:34 Wombat_NI wrote:On January 16 2012 05:33 gwixter wrote:On January 16 2012 05:30 casualman wrote:
Stephano relies on his unorthodox playstyle to really excel. This I feel is the crux of his lack of success in Korea. If one is not taken by surprise by his fast hive tech broodlord style, it becomes really easy to deal with, but if one is taken by surprise Stephano gains a massive advantage. His style is just a coinflip. wtf are you talking about? not winning Blizzard Cup is lack of success? and since when is fast hive his only style? you read all this crap out of this one game? I don't see what is so outrageous about saying Stephano is a player who people find proportionally harder to play against because he has his own style? That's not to say he is gimmicky, or doesn't have good gamesense or mechanics behind it, but his unorthodox styles make beating him even harder. I agree, also maybe his style is just more solid than the majority of other zerg players? It definitely seems like it.
I don't think it's any more solid than standard play, but it doesn't have obvious holes that would pigeonhole him as a one-dimensional, gimmicky player.
As a comparison I mean, when every single Toss was doing 2 base all-ins or turtling to the deathball, Hero, JYP, Sage etc were carrying a lot of great builds, incorporating warp prisms etc etc. Their builds were well-thought out and solid enough so couldn't be blind countered, and the relative new style meant that they were re-writing how people approached the matchup.
If you are one of a few players who carries out a style, and the style is solid you'll have a bit of an advantage. I mean who can Thorzain practice against who plays like/as good as Stephano?
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On January 16 2012 05:39 Black Gun wrote:
any1 else suddenly having lags every 5 seconds?
Yeah, the stream is a mess suddenly. Freezes and sound goes off.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On January 16 2012 05:39 gwixter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 05:34 Wombat_NI wrote:On January 16 2012 05:33 gwixter wrote:On January 16 2012 05:30 casualman wrote:
Stephano relies on his unorthodox playstyle to really excel. This I feel is the crux of his lack of success in Korea. If one is not taken by surprise by his fast hive tech broodlord style, it becomes really easy to deal with, but if one is taken by surprise Stephano gains a massive advantage. His style is just a coinflip. wtf are you talking about? not winning Blizzard Cup is lack of success? and since when is fast hive his only style? you read all this crap out of this one game? I don't see what is so outrageous about saying Stephano is a player who people find proportionally harder to play against because he has his own style? That's not to say he is gimmicky, or doesn't have good gamesense or mechanics behind it, but his unorthodox styles make beating him even harder. I don't see why is his play so unorthodox ... just because he refuses to play mutaling every other game like every other zerg?
Is that not the definition of unorthodox? :S
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Mass glings / infestors, interesting....
And it's over, gg...
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