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If you don't know how to post in a live report thread by now, be advised: don't whine about game balance and don't bash players/casters/interviewers/staff/other posters. And don't start the USA USA USA!!! stuff.

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L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
January 06 2012 14:26 GMT
#741
On January 06 2012 23:25 Abort Retry Fail wrote:
Its hard to take incontrol seriously after his performance yesterday

whats that meant to mean? losing to 2 great players and beating thorzain?
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
January 06 2012 14:26 GMT
#742
On January 06 2012 23:24 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 23:23 Hassybaby wrote:
On January 06 2012 23:17 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On January 06 2012 23:12 Hassybaby wrote:
On January 06 2012 23:10 Devolved wrote:
On January 06 2012 23:07 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On January 06 2012 23:04 Choboo wrote:
On January 06 2012 22:59 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On January 06 2012 22:59 vanhio wrote:
Best EG protoss 8-]

thats a huge call....

Not really when was the last time you saw any other EG protoss beat a European?

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1598_HuK/games

Not counting bo1 here are his last serieses vs. Europeans

Huk 0-3 Kas
Huk 2-3 Hasuobs
Huk 0-2 Seiplo
Huk 2-0 Orly
Huk 2-0 Eeel
Huk 2-1 Seala
Huk 1-2 TITAN
Huk 1-2 Naniwa
Huk 1-2 BRAT_OK
Huk 2-0 Hapypro
Huk 1-3 Elfi

So huge claim!!

I was talking about skill level not results

How do you judge skill level if not by results?


Opinions, fanboyism and racial hatred are the generally accepted methods of declaring one player is better than the other when we ignore results.

well in using results we are making assumptions on people skill level as well, "look huk lost to these players, therefore huk isnt playing that well" what makes losing to kas/seiplo/hasuobs etc a bad thing? youre making an assumption based on fanboyism, opions etc to determine through results how good huk is.

Also, whos to say kas didnt play the game of his life that series? when hasuobs beat huk, maybe huk cancelled warp gate? you cant just look at a result and say THIS PLAYER IS NOW BETTER, you need to look at a huge number of games and see how they play, how they react under pressure, blah blah blah so many factors.


Not gonna disagree with you. There are a LOT of factors to determine it, and I questioned vanhio's call as well. But just saying skill-level wise is incredibly subjective because people perceive moves in different ways.

for the record i am not saying huk is better than jyp, nor disagreeing that jyp is better than huk, i dont know who is better i just think its too hard to say between them, especially when you are using results as your measure


Glad we agree there. Silly to talk about skill levels using one parameter.
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
January 06 2012 14:26 GMT
#743
so many games, there is no time to play myself.. :D Love the event! BlinG, NightEnD and Grubby fighting!
750/750 emotions fully stacked
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
January 06 2012 14:26 GMT
#744
On January 06 2012 23:25 Abort Retry Fail wrote:
Its hard to take incontrol seriously after his performance yesterday


You mean going 1-2 in a very hard group? In that case I guess you can't take Thorzain seriously? I find it hard to take you seriously now =P
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ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-06 14:27:07
January 06 2012 14:27 GMT
#745
On January 06 2012 23:26 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 23:25 Elem wrote:
On January 06 2012 23:23 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On January 06 2012 23:22 Elem wrote:
LOL Ret with the ultra BM on stream 2. :D

what happened?
Ret asked KR about how his new team (LighT) is, and then Ret mentioned that they "tried to acquire HayprO cause of his great results"

HayprO then says that Victor (Nazgul) made a counteroffer, Ret "reveals" that he actually will pay 500 dollars extra to the team who will take him away from Liquid.

It's hard to get if you didnt watch :<

ret just wants haypro off the team so he can move up to #1 zerg, but the banjo is here to stay


And there comes TLO from the shadow to take the spot from both.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
January 06 2012 14:27 GMT
#746
Nice block by Naama! Let's see if he gets contained by the three gate pressure off a single reactor
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
January 06 2012 14:27 GMT
#747
On January 06 2012 23:20 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 23:13 Choboo wrote:
On January 06 2012 23:10 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On January 06 2012 23:09 Olinimm wrote:
On January 06 2012 23:07 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On January 06 2012 23:04 Choboo wrote:
On January 06 2012 22:59 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On January 06 2012 22:59 vanhio wrote:
Best EG protoss 8-]

thats a huge call....

Not really when was the last time you saw any other EG protoss beat a European?

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1598_HuK/games

Not counting bo1 here are his last serieses vs. Europeans

Huk 0-3 Kas
Huk 2-3 Hasuobs
Huk 0-2 Seiplo
Huk 2-0 Orly
Huk 2-0 Eeel
Huk 2-1 Seala
Huk 1-2 TITAN
Huk 1-2 Naniwa
Huk 1-2 BRAT_OK
Huk 2-0 Hapypro
Huk 1-3 Elfi

So huge claim!!

I was talking about skill level not results

Wow and here I thought those 2 things were related.

of course they are related, but one doesnt determine skill soley based on results. And if we are looking at results, why are we looking at vs euro results? if youre going to look at results look at GSL results, korean players are on a different level to euro's

It's not like he's doing great in GSL either and if Koreans are on a different level why is he constantly losing to euros

he has been in code S for awhile, he would still be in code S under the old format. And at any rate thats far better than JYP.

He has to travel to Euro to play on euro home turf, and he doesnt deal with travel well while having being on the move barely training for weeks on end, meanwhile the euros are playing 12hours a day, then travelling half the distance at most, what do you expect?


People expect him to understand his own priorities and balance training with traveling and competing. No one's forcing Huk to go to these tournaments afaik. Thus, traveling is just not an excuse.
Gameplay > Personality
Kenjin
Profile Joined December 2010
34 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-06 14:28:48
January 06 2012 14:27 GMT
#748
HayPro vs KawaiiRice is starting now, commentated by MrBitter and Dimaga.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
January 06 2012 14:27 GMT
#749
WHoooooo won dreamhack? Huh?
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Herrk
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden271 Posts
January 06 2012 14:27 GMT
#750
Dimaga casting!
Didn't make a comeback in LoTV...
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
January 06 2012 14:27 GMT
#751
On January 06 2012 23:26 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 23:25 Abort Retry Fail wrote:
Its hard to take incontrol seriously after his performance yesterday


You mean going 1-2 in a very hard group? In that case I guess you can't take Thorzain seriously? I find it hard to take you seriously now =P

this is such a great point. ThorZaIN did worse, yet you mention incontrols name? take your hate elsewhere.
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
January 06 2012 14:28 GMT
#752
I like how Incontrol is the play-by-play commentator when Thorzain and Cloud are commentating with him. He does that very well too.
hadang
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany941 Posts
January 06 2012 14:28 GMT
#753
MrBitter + Dimaga casting on stream 2
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
January 06 2012 14:28 GMT
#754
On January 06 2012 23:26 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 23:25 Abort Retry Fail wrote:
Its hard to take incontrol seriously after his performance yesterday


You mean going 1-2 in a very hard group? In that case I guess you can't take Thorzain seriously? I find it hard to take you seriously now =P

owned much?
djfoxmccloud
Profile Joined July 2011
France185 Posts
January 06 2012 14:28 GMT
#755
Does anyone now when the raffle for the seat will take place ?
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
January 06 2012 14:28 GMT
#756
I'm loving the commentary this tournament. I'm so sad it happens at ridiculous o'clock for me... it's so good to hear guys with such intimate high end knowledge talking about what's going on.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
January 06 2012 14:29 GMT
#757
On January 06 2012 23:27 wklbishop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 23:20 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On January 06 2012 23:13 Choboo wrote:
On January 06 2012 23:10 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On January 06 2012 23:09 Olinimm wrote:
On January 06 2012 23:07 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On January 06 2012 23:04 Choboo wrote:
On January 06 2012 22:59 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On January 06 2012 22:59 vanhio wrote:
Best EG protoss 8-]

thats a huge call....

Not really when was the last time you saw any other EG protoss beat a European?

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1598_HuK/games

Not counting bo1 here are his last serieses vs. Europeans

Huk 0-3 Kas
Huk 2-3 Hasuobs
Huk 0-2 Seiplo
Huk 2-0 Orly
Huk 2-0 Eeel
Huk 2-1 Seala
Huk 1-2 TITAN
Huk 1-2 Naniwa
Huk 1-2 BRAT_OK
Huk 2-0 Hapypro
Huk 1-3 Elfi

So huge claim!!

I was talking about skill level not results

Wow and here I thought those 2 things were related.

of course they are related, but one doesnt determine skill soley based on results. And if we are looking at results, why are we looking at vs euro results? if youre going to look at results look at GSL results, korean players are on a different level to euro's

It's not like he's doing great in GSL either and if Koreans are on a different level why is he constantly losing to euros

he has been in code S for awhile, he would still be in code S under the old format. And at any rate thats far better than JYP.

He has to travel to Euro to play on euro home turf, and he doesnt deal with travel well while having being on the move barely training for weeks on end, meanwhile the euros are playing 12hours a day, then travelling half the distance at most, what do you expect?


People expect him to understand his own priorities and balance training with traveling and competing. No one's forcing Huk to go to these tournaments afaik. Thus, traveling is just not an excuse.

What? we are talking about skill level here, of course its up to him to make sure he plays his best at tournaments, but we arent talking about that.
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
stipe145
Profile Joined December 2010
764 Posts
January 06 2012 14:29 GMT
#758
Who is casting Haypro?
najreteip
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium4158 Posts
January 06 2012 14:29 GMT
#759
Hello pylon :p
I have no quote!
MR KING
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden145 Posts
January 06 2012 14:29 GMT
#760
2portbansheeeeeeeeeeee
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