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This play by hasu is depressing after Thorzains all kill -_-
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Domination there, send Mana to sort him out.
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aw HasuObs 
dont worry,i still love your style...
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On December 23 2011 12:31 MCDayC wrote:
Domination there, send Mana to sort him out.
Funny thing is yoda beat mana the same way last time they met
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On December 23 2011 12:28 Theovide wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 12:20 baoluvboa wrote:
Thorzain is good but its a bit disrespectful to the Korean players by downplaying the lag factor especially when Thorzain couldn't make it past Yugioh in Code A (along with all the other Swedes). Meanwhile Yugioh had only Thorzain to focus on Thorzain just got to korea from Blizzard invitational. That's not something to be downplayed either.
Of course then I can also say that MC had his tournament to worry about in Sweden while Thorzain didn't and that Thor got patched right after their games. I'm not saying that you guys are wrong in Thorzain's skills, I just don't like seeing the posts praising Thorzain and treating the Koreans as inferior players.
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Hasu definitely not playing as well as usual.
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On December 23 2011 12:29 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 12:26 1Eris1 wrote:On December 23 2011 12:24 Maenander wrote:On December 23 2011 12:22 1Eris1 wrote:On December 23 2011 12:17 Letall wrote:On December 23 2011 12:10 1Eris1 wrote:On December 23 2011 12:10 Letall wrote:On December 23 2011 12:08 1Eris1 wrote:On December 23 2011 12:07 Packawana wrote:
Mouz, please send your entire team to Korea. All of your players could be Code S, especially if Thorzain plays like this. Yeah...lets not start overrating everybody now. Remeber what happened to Naniwa and Sase? No? Hyped to get into Code S ezpz, bombed out first round of Code A everytime they tried... You guys place way too much weight into bo1s over online play. "you guys" way to generalize. Who else failed to qualify for Code A? Yea pretty much every foreigner Exactly my point. By you guys I mean pretty much 90% of TL, in that they see a foreigner win a few games and the next thing you know they're good enough to compete with the top Koreans or at least get Code S. Then what do you know, they go to Korea, usually get gifted a spot into the GSL, and flop out hard. Now come on, ThorZain is around for an eternity and showed consistent results throughout. He is well-respected by the korean players. Man, nowhere am I saying TZ is bad or mediocre. I personally think he's the best foreigner terran, and probably a top 5 foreigner overall.It just pisses me off that people think those games are somehow proof that he's Code S class or can compete with MVP. People said the same about Naniwa, and he's something like 1-10 in Korea, or Stephano, who was hyped at the best zerg in the world by people on this site and then did so-so in comparion when he went over. For example, TZain faced Polt yesterday in the Millennium Finals. He got crushed 3-0.
I was so sad when he didn't make it into Code S because of Inca's flop =(
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Wow very very impressive play by Yoda, was just a case of far superior mechanics, his macro was off the charts.
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On December 23 2011 12:32 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 12:29 Fionn wrote:On December 23 2011 12:26 1Eris1 wrote:On December 23 2011 12:24 Maenander wrote:On December 23 2011 12:22 1Eris1 wrote:On December 23 2011 12:17 Letall wrote:On December 23 2011 12:10 1Eris1 wrote:On December 23 2011 12:10 Letall wrote:On December 23 2011 12:08 1Eris1 wrote:On December 23 2011 12:07 Packawana wrote:
Mouz, please send your entire team to Korea. All of your players could be Code S, especially if Thorzain plays like this. Yeah...lets not start overrating everybody now. Remeber what happened to Naniwa and Sase? No? Hyped to get into Code S ezpz, bombed out first round of Code A everytime they tried... You guys place way too much weight into bo1s over online play. "you guys" way to generalize. Who else failed to qualify for Code A? Yea pretty much every foreigner Exactly my point. By you guys I mean pretty much 90% of TL, in that they see a foreigner win a few games and the next thing you know they're good enough to compete with the top Koreans or at least get Code S. Then what do you know, they go to Korea, usually get gifted a spot into the GSL, and flop out hard. Now come on, ThorZain is around for an eternity and showed consistent results throughout. He is well-respected by the korean players. Man, nowhere am I saying TZ is bad or mediocre. I personally think he's the best foreigner terran, and probably a top 5 foreigner overall.It just pisses me off that people think those games are somehow proof that he's Code S class or can compete with MVP. People said the same about Naniwa, and he's something like 1-10 in Korea, or Stephano, who was hyped at the best zerg in the world by people on this site and then did so-so in comparion when he went over. For example, TZain faced Polt yesterday in the Millennium Finals. He got crushed 3-0. I was so sad when he didn't make it into Code S because of Inca's flop =(
I just find it sad BOTH polt and losira, the favorites and best players in the group, lost to Inca with DTs
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Meanwhile , regarding idra : <@oGsForGG> very easy , lol.
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Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
Yoda played that game like a freaking baws
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And for people ragging on the IM coach, please remember that Korean teams are probably run slightly differently. Korean teams want to train up their lower tier players and give them more exposure. I am sure IM wants foreign tournaments to invite some of their other players (besides LoSirA, Nestea, MVP) to tournaments. Having them do well in events like this will give them more fanbase and maybe invites.
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On December 23 2011 12:29 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 12:26 1Eris1 wrote:On December 23 2011 12:24 Maenander wrote:On December 23 2011 12:22 1Eris1 wrote:On December 23 2011 12:17 Letall wrote:On December 23 2011 12:10 1Eris1 wrote:On December 23 2011 12:10 Letall wrote:On December 23 2011 12:08 1Eris1 wrote:On December 23 2011 12:07 Packawana wrote:
Mouz, please send your entire team to Korea. All of your players could be Code S, especially if Thorzain plays like this. Yeah...lets not start overrating everybody now. Remeber what happened to Naniwa and Sase? No? Hyped to get into Code S ezpz, bombed out first round of Code A everytime they tried... You guys place way too much weight into bo1s over online play. "you guys" way to generalize. Who else failed to qualify for Code A? Yea pretty much every foreigner Exactly my point. By you guys I mean pretty much 90% of TL, in that they see a foreigner win a few games and the next thing you know they're good enough to compete with the top Koreans or at least get Code S. Then what do you know, they go to Korea, usually get gifted a spot into the GSL, and flop out hard. Now come on, ThorZain is around for an eternity and showed consistent results throughout. He is well-respected by the korean players. Man, nowhere am I saying TZ is bad or mediocre. I personally think he's the best foreigner terran, and probably a top 5 foreigner overall.It just pisses me off that people think those games are somehow proof that he's Code S class or can compete with MVP. People said the same about Naniwa, and he's something like 1-10 in Korea, or Stephano, who was hyped at the best zerg in the world by people on this site and then did so-so in comparion when he went over. For example, TZain faced Polt yesterday in the Millennium Finals. He got crushed 3-0.
That argument does not make sence. It is just one series, it is like saying mouz is clearly better than IM because they 5-0-ed them earlier. Polt himself got beaten by Kas in two series recently and would you rate Kas over Polt?
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On December 23 2011 12:34 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 12:29 Fionn wrote:On December 23 2011 12:26 1Eris1 wrote:On December 23 2011 12:24 Maenander wrote:On December 23 2011 12:22 1Eris1 wrote:On December 23 2011 12:17 Letall wrote:On December 23 2011 12:10 1Eris1 wrote:On December 23 2011 12:10 Letall wrote:On December 23 2011 12:08 1Eris1 wrote:On December 23 2011 12:07 Packawana wrote:
Mouz, please send your entire team to Korea. All of your players could be Code S, especially if Thorzain plays like this. Yeah...lets not start overrating everybody now. Remeber what happened to Naniwa and Sase? No? Hyped to get into Code S ezpz, bombed out first round of Code A everytime they tried... You guys place way too much weight into bo1s over online play. "you guys" way to generalize. Who else failed to qualify for Code A? Yea pretty much every foreigner Exactly my point. By you guys I mean pretty much 90% of TL, in that they see a foreigner win a few games and the next thing you know they're good enough to compete with the top Koreans or at least get Code S. Then what do you know, they go to Korea, usually get gifted a spot into the GSL, and flop out hard. Now come on, ThorZain is around for an eternity and showed consistent results throughout. He is well-respected by the korean players. Man, nowhere am I saying TZ is bad or mediocre. I personally think he's the best foreigner terran, and probably a top 5 foreigner overall.It just pisses me off that people think those games are somehow proof that he's Code S class or can compete with MVP. People said the same about Naniwa, and he's something like 1-10 in Korea, or Stephano, who was hyped at the best zerg in the world by people on this site and then did so-so in comparion when he went over. For example, TZain faced Polt yesterday in the Millennium Finals. He got crushed 3-0. That argument does not make sence. It is just one series, it is like saying mouz is clearly better than IM because they 5-0-ed them earlier. Polt himself got beaten by Kas in two series recently and would you rate Kas over Polt?
That's the whole point. People's general skill levels aren't shown by one series or string of wins, but over months and months of results and competition they beat on a general basis.
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On December 23 2011 12:20 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 12:18 decerto wrote:On December 23 2011 12:14 1Eris1 wrote:On December 23 2011 12:12 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
Can people stop giving stupid excuses like "lag for koreans", when I was in KR and playing on NA server there is less lag from KR > NA than I have from EU > NA from my home -.-
Foreigners won Koreans, deal with it. Well I respect your opinion as a pro-player if you guys can't deduce from those games that there was lag (atleast Seeds) then you really need to get your eyes checked. Even though I agree with you about the lag complaints are silly excuses. There is a big difference between serbia and sweden though in terms of location and broadband infrastructure. And Mouz isn't playing from Serbia, so I don't really see how Beastys point would apply in this case...
As far as I'm aware there's barely any difference (if any at all) between Serbian and polish/German internet. Although there is a lot between Swedish and Serbian.
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Yoda just showed such a cool build vs hasuobs. The game went like this:
Openers: Speed reaper banshee vs 2 gate robo expand.
Action: Banshee gets seen but does some good damage throughout the game, reapers aren't scouted but are caught and retreat.
Mid-game: Yoda is surprisingly a little higher in supply than hasuobs, and pursues a drop which allows the reapers to get some probe kills and the banshee to get more kills. Yoda has to make like 10 vikings even tho hasu has only made one colossus.
Later game: Yoda makes ghosts 3 at a time, and has 2-2 upgrades. A big engagement is had at the front of hasu's natural where the colo is immediately dead and all storms are dodged for the most part. Hasu is whittled down and yoda doom drops into the main, allowing for a nice funnel to EZkill the rest of the toss units and close out the game.
I want to say yoda's good at TvP, but that just looked like a metagamey build practiced to the point of where it's extremely solid vs everything but a 4 gate and a 2 gate void push.
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On December 23 2011 12:33 R!! wrote:
Meanwhile , regarding idra : <@oGsForGG> very easy , lol.
poor IdrA  he just moved Korea for practicing and keep losing to ForGG like 5 time for a day.
good ol' IdrA
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On December 23 2011 12:32 baoluvboa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 12:28 Theovide wrote:On December 23 2011 12:20 baoluvboa wrote:
Thorzain is good but its a bit disrespectful to the Korean players by downplaying the lag factor especially when Thorzain couldn't make it past Yugioh in Code A (along with all the other Swedes). Meanwhile Yugioh had only Thorzain to focus on Thorzain just got to korea from Blizzard invitational. That's not something to be downplayed either. Of course then I can also say that MC had his tournament to worry about in Sweden while Thorzain didn't and that Thor got patched right after their games. I'm not saying that you guys are wrong in Thorzain's skills, I just don't like seeing the posts praising Thorzain and treating the Koreans as inferior players.
I think Thorzain has code s capacity, that's not saying Koreans are inferior though .
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On December 23 2011 12:36 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 12:20 1Eris1 wrote:On December 23 2011 12:18 decerto wrote:On December 23 2011 12:14 1Eris1 wrote:On December 23 2011 12:12 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
Can people stop giving stupid excuses like "lag for koreans", when I was in KR and playing on NA server there is less lag from KR > NA than I have from EU > NA from my home -.-
Foreigners won Koreans, deal with it. Well I respect your opinion as a pro-player if you guys can't deduce from those games that there was lag (atleast Seeds) then you really need to get your eyes checked. Even though I agree with you about the lag complaints are silly excuses. There is a big difference between serbia and sweden though in terms of location and broadband infrastructure. And Mouz isn't playing from Serbia, so I don't really see how Beastys point would apply in this case... As far as I'm aware there's barely any difference (if any at all) between Serbian and polish/German internet. Although there is a lot between Swedish and Serbian.
Yeah. Isn't Thorzain in Sweden right now? I assume Mana would be in Poland but not TZ?
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can someone post results so far?
tlpd only has 3 games updated
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