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Contrary to popular belief Stephano is not from the States, any mindless spam asserting otherwise after this time (19:48 KST/ 5:48 AM EST/ 10:48 GMT) will meet a moderator response. We have enough confusing spam posting in LR threads these days. Lets try to keep the love for everyone's favourite French zerg reasonable. And as always: - No player bashing. - No caster bashing. - No balance whining. Enjoy the games. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On December 12 2011 21:30 Itsmedudeman wrote: This is how they do it in every group stage. God damn I hate fanboys. Just deal with it, everyone (except hero) got respectable results. Why did you have to remind us  | ||
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mcmartini
Australia1972 Posts
On December 12 2011 21:29 King.Crimson wrote: I don't like the situation that transpired in the last couple of games. The loser of the first series of the last two games (Mvp - Stephano) is at a clear disadvantage, considering one of the other two players will be qualified based on the former result, and thus not put in 100% effort into their game. Both sets should have been played simultaneously to prevent this. All these comments about players not putting in 100% are ridiculous, more than anything you think MC would try harder seeing as he is living with Stephano at the moment. | ||
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Severian
Australia2052 Posts
On December 12 2011 21:29 Reasonable wrote: But Stephano beat a stronger player than MC, according to overall results. Head to head, damn it! This is mathematically incorrect! Please don't have a meltdown while your brain tries to process the fact that the transitive property is not universal. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On December 12 2011 21:29 Onlinejaguar wrote: Stephano lost to MC so how is it clearly Stephano>MC? His argument is that it can be argued both ways. So Stephano = MC, particularly in the format this tournament was played in it just would have made so much sense to have another game for the tie-breaker. Then there can be no question about who should advance. | ||
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
On December 12 2011 21:25 R1CH wrote: Sigh, HerO dropping out has left me kind of disinterested in the rest of the tournament now, it sucks since there's so many awesome players and good games left I'd probably enjoy. Maybe I'll feel better tomorrow. Hero has a 39% winrate in Korean TLPD. You had to have known his chances weren't really good man. Besides, this is MvP's tourney to lose. | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On December 12 2011 21:25 Holdinga wrote: Im not saying he throwed the game, because it is actually impossible to know this. Im saying the rules are stupid, and that no person in this world exists that would fuck over another person from the same nationality. It's a big world mate. I've heard Korea are strong nationalists, but I hate seeing this talk everytime someone loses and something might have been on the line. Every time there's an important team kill this comes up. Nestea lost to MVP? Rigged. MC lost to DRG? Rigged. I wonder what games aren't rigged nowdays in the esteemed suspicious minds of some TL posters =/ | ||
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Lasbike
France2888 Posts
Congratz to DRG, the true winner here  | ||
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darkest44
United States1009 Posts
Have a good day all. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 12 2011 21:31 bittman wrote: It's a big world mate. I've heard Korea are strong nationalists, but I hate seeing this talk everytime someone loses and something might have been on the line. Every time there's an important team kill this comes up. Nestea lost to MVP? Rigged. MC lost to DRG? Rigged. I wonder what games aren't rigged nowdays in the esteemed suspicious minds of some TL posters =/ Hmm, I heard someone mention that game looked like WWE. Were they seriously implying that game was rigged? LOL | ||
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
On December 12 2011 21:26 wklbishop wrote: Nah, against mutas, heavy templar and archons are the best choice. Hmm made a typo in my own post, fixed that. I am still curious to see what would have happened if MC had waited before pushing out, include a few less archons, as only 2 or 3 were enough imho, and tech up to colossus... | ||
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centinel4
Austria50 Posts
On December 12 2011 21:26 Reasonable wrote: I really don't like how one player is chosen over the other with the same score. Head to head? What sport is this concept from? I say let MC play Stephano for the right to advance. That's some joke of a system. Stephano defeated DRG, who bested MC, if my knowledge of algebraic logical operators is correct, Stephano>DRG>MC leads to Stephano>MC. I'm surprised to see this "creativity" in a Korean tournament. OMG lol... this is just too funny. I hope this was a joke  if not.... :/but thanks for the laughs! Too bad for stephano. Maybe after this, he gets the motivation to play... you can always start your studies in a couple of years | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
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Bromazepam
820 Posts
Personally I hate it because it means we don't get an extra game :p I wanted MC, Hero, DRG and Stephano to go through (wanted, not thought it'd happen!) so in the end the result of this final match didn't matter to me. But yeah, head-to-head is a stupid rule and it sucks. Edit: also, please, don't apply the transitive property to players' skills. It makes you look like an idiot. Thank you. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
Stephano held his own, it was respectable. HerO really bombed out. | ||
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Severian
Australia2052 Posts
On December 12 2011 21:31 Crushinator wrote: His argument is that it can be argued both ways. So Stephano = MC, particularly in the format this tournament was played in it just would have made so much sense to have another game for the tie-breaker. Then there can be no question about who should advance. We should collate the results from every tournament and ladder match that has ever taken place between the participants, then rank each player according to whom they have beaten and who has beaten them. In the case of situations like the above, where a cycle exists, we will play more games to determine the greater player. Once all cycles have been eliminated, we will have the truly perfect ranking of every single player in the tournament and there will be absolutely no reason for anyone to complain about the format or claim that their favourite player only lost because the lights on their side of the studio were slightly dimmer. | ||
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King.Crimson
Romania478 Posts
On December 12 2011 21:31 mcmartini wrote: All these comments about players not putting in 100% are ridiculous, more than anything you think MC would try harder seeing as he is living with Stephano at the moment. What if MC and DRG were clanmates and MC had no relation with Stephano. Do you honestly believe DRG wouldn't get the win from MC in that scenario? The system is flawed. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On December 12 2011 21:33 Bromazepam wrote: It's the classic argument, round-robin with head-to-head rule is an extremely polarising format. Personally I hate it because it means we don't get an extra game :p I wanted MC, Hero, DRG and Stephano to go through (wanted, not thought it'd happen!) so in the end the result of this final match didn't matter to me. But yeah, head-to-head is a stupid rule and it sucks. those situations happened countless times in sports/esports people just have to live with it... | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On December 12 2011 21:33 m0ck wrote: Just a pity MC didn't scout DRGs fourth. He could have taken that out rather than going for the main/natural and things would have been good. Still, great show. Stephano was not out of his dept, and on another day he would have passed the group-stage. Not necessarily. If he stopped to kill the 4th, DRG would've destroyed even more of his tech/production and he might've been worse off since he would've only had his cannon 3rd with no production or tech. | ||
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