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Contrary to popular belief Stephano is not from the States, any mindless spam asserting otherwise after this time (19:48 KST/ 5:48 AM EST/ 10:48 GMT) will meet a moderator response. We have enough confusing spam posting in LR threads these days. Lets try to keep the love for everyone's favourite French zerg reasonable.
And as always:
- No player bashing.
- No caster bashing.
- No balance whining.
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On December 12 2011 06:01 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 05:54 NipponBanzai wrote:On December 12 2011 05:51 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 05:46 Esk23 wrote:On December 12 2011 05:42 Sfydjklm wrote:
Stephano is 3rd highest ranked zerg in korean GM.
Stephano has 71% wr in gm while idra has 54.
That should be a pretty good clue to how ridiculously good Stephano actually is. Ladder doesn't mean much, MVP is ranked what? Barely in the top 200 with a %54 winning percentage yet is the best player in the world. Stop deluding you self. Ofcourse ladder means something the top korean players spending hours and hours practising on the ladder. If ladder didnt mean nothing they would just play custom. Just a fact before MMA and DRG got known they were a ladder beast with big win %. And in korea its actually very rare to see zergs with high win % on the korean GM I'm pretty sure they do custom. Especially when practicing for a tournament. Otherwise you are just showing off your builds... Ofcourse they do custom alot also but they practise timings and mechanics on ladder. Or els there really woulnt be a point playing ladder games. Its good practise becuase of the skill level of all these great players. And what Stephano has done within 1 week in Korea is very impressive and quite unheard off without korean training.
Can someone link me to MMA's ladder account? Oh wait. What about MVP? Whaaaa? He plays random??? Forgg has an account which has over 70% win rate and all he does is 4 hellion in to cloaked banshee into 4 Thor all in. He clearly isn't playing properly but dominates anyway. CjentusHydra has the highest win rate of anyone vie seen and we don't know who he is!
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MVP > MC
Hero > Stephano
MVP > DongRaeGu
MC > hero
DongRaeGu > Stephano
Hero > MVP
Stephano > MC
hero > DongRaeGu
MVP > Stephano
DongRaeGu > MC
Hero 4 - 0
MVP 3 - 1
DRG 2- 2
Steph 1 - 3
MC 0 - 4
And I love Stephano, I just feel BO1 these guys can beat him, and confused about the WCG tired stuff ... it was in Korea ... and it can't be more games than he'd practise normally anyway...
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On December 12 2011 05:38 coolcor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 05:28 Finrod1 wrote:do you need to purchase an extra ticket? or is the normal season ticket enough? ty  You need to purchase a separate ticket that costs as much as a normal season's ticket (10 dollars) unless you buy a premium year long ticket for 2012. (100 dollars does not include gstl)
That's rather disappointing to be frank. I mean, it's the first Blizzard Cup ever and there are 10 players in the tournament in total, so I'm not sure why they would charge the same amount as for a full season ticket.
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You forgot IMNestea. Does anyone actually think he is the 70th or so best player in the world?
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On December 12 2011 06:13 b0rt_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 06:09 blade55555 wrote:On December 12 2011 06:07 b0rt_ wrote:
all these crazy Stephano predictions. No way he's finishing last, have you seen his stream lately? I am sorry but you can't put him as a favorite in any of the players he is playing today. DRG/Hero/MC/MVP all considered top tier players. He may have a good win rate on ladder but that means nothing it really doesn't don't look so much into it. He's a really good player there is no denying it but to think he is a favorite vs those 4 players is just being blind. I think when he's at his best he's very good indeed, such as his 4-0 over MC.
I think that one is in your head...
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On December 12 2011 05:36 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 03:41 MrCon wrote:On December 12 2011 03:36 Lasbike wrote:
I don't know if there is a betting website out there, but Mvp on Shakuras Plateau against Stephano must be pretty one sided :p Mon 12/12 4201 Mvp Offline Offline Offline 01:25 AM 4202 MC Offline Offline Offline Mon 12/12 4203 Hero 1.625 01:25 AM 4204 Stephano 2.360 Mon 12/12 4205 Mvp 1.752 01:25 AM 4206 DongRaeGu 2.140 Mon 12/12 4207 Hero 1.735 01:25 AM 4208 MC 2.160 Mon 12/12 4209 Stephano 2.050 01:25 AM 4210 DongRaeGu 1.813 Mon 12/12 4211 Hero 2.230 01:25 AM 4212 Mvp 1.694 Mon 12/12 4213 Stephano 2.160 01:25 AM 4214 MC 1.735 Mon 12/12 4215 Hero 1.935 01:25 AM 4216 DongRaeGu 1.917 Mon 12/12 4217 Stephano 2.420 01:25 AM 4218 Mvp 1.599 Mon 12/12 4219 MC 2.190 01:25 AM 4220 DongRaeGu 1.719 Not sure why MC vs MVP is removed. Stephano is not that an underdog. for people who think he'll get crushed, here's a wa yto make a lot of money :p anyway, I think people are growing the bo1 thing out of proportion. It's not one bo1 and you're out, it's 4 bo1 and the 3 players who score the most advance. It makes a big difference in the randomness of results. Yes, it's harder to predict a single result, but the overall result will still be coherent with the perceived skill level (and if it's not, it won't be because of the format 100% of the times, but most likely because one player will play badly). Imagining bo1 are super volatile and MVP would be cheesed, he would still win his next 3 games and advance. It's bad for us because we would like to see more games, but as a format I don't think it's bad. Very interesting odds. If I read them correctly, Stephano is the underdog in each of the matches? Biggest underdog vs Hero (*edit: actually biggest dog vs MVP).... MVP is favored in each match, biggest vs Hero. If I were going to take 1 bet, I would take Stephano to beat Hero with those odds. Regardless, it looks like the oddmakers agree its a close group with MVP the favorite and 2nd place a toss-up.
Yeah the big odd to take is clearly Stephano vs Hero here. I think the true overhype is the hero's PvZ and Stephano has like 95%winrate vs korean protosses on the ladder. At 2.36 for stephano's victory it's clearly an easy bet.
The two other good bet are on PvP and ZvZ, since it's a random match-up you i'd choose MC at 2.160 and Stephano at 2.050 (and he's not that bad in ZvZ)
Stephano vs MC is pretty ok too, at 2.160 we can take it for the same reasons as vs Hero.
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On December 12 2011 06:17 Micket wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 06:01 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 05:54 NipponBanzai wrote:On December 12 2011 05:51 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 05:46 Esk23 wrote:On December 12 2011 05:42 Sfydjklm wrote:
Stephano is 3rd highest ranked zerg in korean GM.
Stephano has 71% wr in gm while idra has 54.
That should be a pretty good clue to how ridiculously good Stephano actually is. Ladder doesn't mean much, MVP is ranked what? Barely in the top 200 with a %54 winning percentage yet is the best player in the world. Stop deluding you self. Ofcourse ladder means something the top korean players spending hours and hours practising on the ladder. If ladder didnt mean nothing they would just play custom. Just a fact before MMA and DRG got known they were a ladder beast with big win %. And in korea its actually very rare to see zergs with high win % on the korean GM I'm pretty sure they do custom. Especially when practicing for a tournament. Otherwise you are just showing off your builds... Ofcourse they do custom alot also but they practise timings and mechanics on ladder. Or els there really woulnt be a point playing ladder games. Its good practise becuase of the skill level of all these great players. And what Stephano has done within 1 week in Korea is very impressive and quite unheard off without korean training. Can someone link me to MMA's ladder account? Oh wait. What about MVP? Whaaaa? He plays random??? Forgg has an account which has over 70% win rate and all he does is 4 hellion in to cloaked banshee into 4 Thor all in. He clearly isn't playing properly but dominates anyway. CjentusHydra has the highest win rate of anyone vie seen and we don't know who he is!
CJEntusHydra is either Leenock or Losira, according to the thread.
I can't believe we are still talking about ladder vs custom games. Yes, ladder games can prove you are pretty darn good at the game. No, having great win/loss ratio at ladder does NOT mean you will dominate in tournaments.
Can we not just say Stephano is a really good player and leave it at that? All the hyperbole is making my head hurt.
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Is there a way to buy a ticket just for Blizzard cup? I'm really confused by the new ticket system on gom
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I think we'll all know by by tomorrow whether ladder is a good indicator of skill. I don't see Stephano winning very many games, no offense to him, these players are too top tier.
I think Hero gets through - he got the best maps he could have asked for - and then the rest depends on MC's PvZ. I think MC beats MVP, but MVP def beats both the zergs. If MC can beat them, he's through, if not, MVP and Hero advance (I think that's more likely).
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1.Mvp
2.HerO
3.MC
4.Stephano
5.DRG
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hihi the thread is pretty funny, everyone is for their favorite and have someone unfavorite they put on spot 5, both things just for no reason. For me stephano is pretty impressive, just because he made it so far without a coach and stuff behind his training. Without that backup alot of koreans wouldn't even close to where they are now. Wonder how strong stephano would be with that sort of backup or if he already practices super effective.
Anyway being the underdog is often quiet helpful. From the group i think alot will train against mvp despite him being the only terran there, just because he is so deadly. Stephano and drg have so different styles, so the others will probably prepare for beating toss. Anyway mvp is in a good position, everyone will face 3 races except himself. And mcs and heros playstyles are different as well.
I like all players except drg though so i wouldn't want to place anyone  .
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Oh well...
my predictions:
1.HerO
2.MVP
3.MC
4.DRG
5.Stephano
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On December 12 2011 06:31 FeyFey wrote:I like all players except drg though so i wouldn't want to place anyone .
Wait, whaaaaaat? Of all the players to dislike, I wouldn't expect it to be DRG! Not attacking you for your opinion, but curious as to why. Mind elaborating?
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On December 12 2011 06:32 MuK_x wrote:
Oh well...
my predictions:
1.HerO
2.MVP
3.MC
4.DRG
5.Stephano
Haha it's nice to see a liquid fanboy just to balance out the stephano fanboys.
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Gooooo hero dont get nervous now
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So hard to pick this group. Although MVP is the favourite, players like MC can and have taken games off him in the past, and one game is all tht matters. I think every single player in this group has a chance to make it out, looking forward to some sick games.
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This group! THESE PLAYERS.. can we all just stop and appreciate HOLY SHIT!
Mvp, MC, HerO, Stephano and DRG - Wow!
I was going to make predictions - but any of these guys can take games off each other. I want HerO to go through - but i really doubt it 
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Here's how it will most likely go:
1. MVP
2. DRG
3. MC
4. HerO
5. Stephano
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This is not a troll post and i think this is gonna be like that
1) DRG 4-0 (i think he is underrated and MVP is not at 100% when he can't prepare before a match)
2) MVP 3-1 (because he's MVP he will be 2nd
3) Hero 1-3 (beat Stephano)
4) MC 1-3 (beat Hero)
5) Stephano 1-3 (beat MC)
I can't imagine one of these players to not take at least one game. plus PvP and ZvZ are pretty random matchups and the clear underdog, Stephano, is in god mode vs Protosses these times and since he's a zerg he has chances vs DRG.
This is in my opinion what will happend and i really hope so then we could see a ronde
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On December 12 2011 06:39 AIOL! wrote:This is not a troll post and i think this is gonna be like that 1) DRG 4-0 (i think he is underrated and MVP is not at 100% when he can't prepare before a match) 2) MVP 3-1 (because he's MVP he will be 2nd 3) Hero 1-3 (beat Stephano) 4) MC 1-3 (beat Hero) 5) Stephano 1-3 (beat MC) I can't imagine one of these players to not take at least one game. plus PvP and ZvZ are pretty random matchups and the clear underdog, Stephano, is in god mode vs Protosses these times and since he's a zerg he has chances vs DRG. This is in my opinion what will happend and i really hope so then we could see a ronde
that's extremely similar to my predictions, except MVP on top and DRG at 2nd.
But either way I really hope one of our predictions comes true, cause tiebreakers are always freakin fun to watch :D
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